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gear junkie
05-20-2007, 08:11 PM
How did street elbows get the description "street"?

Aaron91
05-20-2007, 08:26 PM
I always wondered that myself. I would think they were used alot underground, near/or under the street I would think?!

Around here BGE, the local gas supplier uses a street 90 soon as the gas piping comes in from the street into the meter.

BHD
05-21-2007, 11:16 AM
I lost the post, I will try again, ticks me off,

any way, I found a paragraph in a book that got me thinking,

by, William Kryskill "The Story of Hyeholde"
any way the basic first part of the paragraph, was, talking about romance and the history of plumbing, and then the basic statement,

So many of the terms
"pertain to the anatomy: nipples—street ells—male and female-elbows—bonnets—sill c0cks—glands. ..."

and then I added,

Union,
Coupling.

most are a form of sexual slang or sexual part or reference, of the body.

still don't see a relation ship to "street" tho,

In my thinking I was wondering if "street" would refer to prostitute or hooker, or slang for gay, not being male or female? Such as "street walker" but I do not know that.

The other possibility that crossed my mind was that the term could be transliterated, in that the sound is used not the meaning from another language,
(example: the biblical word Deacon, if translated from the Greek the definition would be "table waiter" not "church leader", the sound is similar to the Greek word but the meaning has changed in modern usage.)

If any one knows the origin language of some of the other words, Nipple, c0ck, glands, and other common terms used in the description of plumbing parts,

also if the terms are new or old,
as it would appear as if many of the items are recent inventions, a few hundred years, but then the Romans used lead pipe to carry water,

So if any one knows there plumbing history and shed some light on this it would be fun to discover the origin of the words.

I have not taken time to study the origins of the words my self,

BHD
05-21-2007, 02:32 PM
here is a possibility,
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=street+elbow&searchmode=nl&p=1
canyon
1834, from Mex.Sp. caņon, extended sense of Sp. caņon "a pipe, tube, gorge," from cano "a tube," from L. canna "reed" (see cane). But earlier spelling callon (1560s) might suggest a source in calle "street."

or even jsut the term street meaning path,

but using the first one if at one time the definition of "street" meant tube or pipe, and elbow meaning a "bend", or a bend in something,

plumberscrack
05-21-2007, 02:57 PM
So what about Sir Thomas Crapper?...did he really invent the toilet and the Queen of England knighted him for it?:confused:

Josh
05-21-2007, 03:08 PM
http://www.snopes.com/business/names/crapper.asp

So what about Sir Thomas Crapper?...did he really invent the toilet and the Queen of England knighted him for it?:confused:

BHD
05-22-2007, 01:25 PM
"a fitting that fits inside another fitting is also known as a "street" fitting"
http://www.plumbingsupply.com/copper.html

Terms used:
Slip = a regular hub - pipe is sweated (soldered) into this
Spigot = the same size as pipe - will sweat into another fitting
Mips = Male pipe threads
Fips = Female pipe threads
A "fitting" male, "fitting" female, "fitting" 90 or "fitting" 45
is a fitting that fits inside another fitting is also known as a "street" fitting
A "reducer" is the same as a "bushing"
A "reducing coupling" is the same as a "bell reducer"

BHD
05-23-2007, 01:04 PM
wrote (emailed), the people at plumbingsupply.com as they had a place to ask a question, and this is the reply they gave and it makes as much since as any,

Thank you for contacting us.

That is a good question.

Our plumbing expert has a theory that says "a spigot fitting is
abbreviated as 'st.', and as a result, many people have thought it
was 'street' instead of the 'spigot' it represented".

Spigot and street fit the same.

We hope this information helps.

Kind regards,

Stefani
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from another site,
http://www.flexpvc.com/cart/agora.cgi?cartlink=What_Fitting_Do_I_Need.htm
you have to either have one of the fittings be a street fitting (aka spigot fitting)


Before this I had never heard the term "spigot fitting".

Bob D.
05-23-2007, 07:18 PM
I think the name came from its popular use in water and gas service drops to homes. Another name for this fitting is a Service Ell. Not sure but I believe their use for making service taps off the street mains is what lead to their common name of Street Ell.

With one fitting it was possible to make the service drop to each house. Service 45s (I've heard these called Street 45s but not as often as the 90° ells) are also available.

They have a number of positive aspects to them:

One less connection to leak.
Faster to install than a nipple and ell.
Fewer fittings to carry.
Reduced material cost.

ToUtahNow
06-10-2007, 05:38 PM
Before this I had never heard the term "spigot fitting".

Before "No-Hub" cast-iron we used "Bell & Spigot" cast-iron which had a Bell (Hub) end on one side and a spigot end on the other.

Mark

markts30
06-17-2007, 08:32 AM
When you order tehm, you can order them as "street fittings" or as "hub X Spigot" fittings

plumbdog10
06-17-2007, 08:17 PM
"a fitting that fits inside another fitting is also known as a "street" fitting"
http://www.plumbingsupply.com/copper.html

Terms used:
Slip = a regular hub - pipe is sweated (soldered) into this
Spigot = the same size as pipe - will sweat into another fitting
Mips = Male pipe threads
Fips = Female pipe threads
A "fitting" male, "fitting" female, "fitting" 90 or "fitting" 45
is a fitting that fits inside another fitting is also known as a "street" fitting
A "reducer" is the same as a "bushing"
A "reducing coupling" is the same as a "bell reducer"

A "reducer" is not the same as a "bushing". Dude, and others, learn your fittings if you want to call yourself plumbers.

PLUMBER RICK
06-17-2007, 09:28 PM
A "reducer" is not the same as a "bushing". Dude, and others, learn your fittings if you want to call yourself plumbers.

dog is back and healthy:D

rick.

plumbdog10
06-18-2007, 09:45 PM
So what about Sir Thomas Crapper?...did he really invent the toilet and the Queen of England knighted him for it?:confused:

At one time I started a post about a book review I did. I suggested

Flushed: How the Plumber Saved Civilization

by Hodding Carter. New York: Atria Books, c.2006.

At this time I would suggest it again. But if it's not available on DVD, I would assume most of you are not interested.

gear junkie
06-18-2007, 09:57 PM
But if it's not available on DVD, I would assume most of you are not interested.

What happened in your life to make you so cynical?

plumbdog10
06-19-2007, 10:21 PM
What happened in your life to make you so cynical?

I give my opinions, I respect and read yours. Sometimes mine seem more harsh. I don't know what to tell you other than continue to post. I like reading your posts.

Aaron91
06-19-2007, 10:42 PM
Dog, Sorry I found your post alil confusing, was "How the Plumber Saved Civilization" any good? I'm always interested in plumbing books and was curious to your opinions on it before I buy it.

drtyhands
06-19-2007, 11:24 PM
What happened in your life to make you so cynical?
Gear,
A friend of mine has worked his way up through the plumbers union here in Southern California.Both Dog and my friend have the same dimeanor.He's very talented and focused person.He also ventured through contracting.

My friend is one wrung from the top of the ladder as far as foreman/supervisor goes.He does not want to go any farther up(he doesn't like the brown stain on his nose)

He is capable of unbalivable installations,and runs the projects very well.

The problem with him is simple.He pushes himself hard to be efficient and productive.This has a price,the frustration of the rest of the world not being as intense and thoughtfull.

The extra bite we get with Dog is he loves to tease.Kind of a litmus test to see if you are what you say you are;)

Don't know what this has to do with the price of tea in China,but it's just a thought I would like to share:)

ToUtahNow
06-19-2007, 11:35 PM
Dog, Sorry I found your post alil confusing, was "How the Plumber Saved Civilization" any good? I'm always interested in plumbing books and was curious to your opinions on it before I buy it.

Aaron,

Until you can buy the book, read the links here and you will have an idea of where the title of the book came from.

http://www.theplumber.com/h_index.html

Mark

plumbdog10
06-21-2007, 09:32 PM
Dog, Sorry I found your post alil confusing, was "How the Plumber Saved Civilization" any good? I'm always interested in plumbing books and was curious to your opinions on it before I buy it.

I've stated before on a post it is a book worth reading if you are a plumber. I know you are of limited funds, being an apprentice, so you can check it out at your local library. If they don't have it ask the librarian if they can borrow it from another library. They usually can.

Libraries are one of the great untapped resources of this country. They are free, and helpful.

Are you still working on your education?