Pull a Permit or not Pull a Permit that is the ????

[Finster]

I have just recently started a State Certified plumbing company in Florida . I was recently approached to pull a permit for a guy to install sub water meters for a MHP. Unfortunately, he will have his guy do the work . All I have to do is pull the permit. It has been a little slow start and the start up cost is killing my pocket book, and a Baby on the way doesn't help matters any. I like doing things the right way and by the book . But ,I dont want this to bite me on my a@@ later on.

What could happen if I take this guys offer?
Should I do it?
What would you guys do and have you had this happen to you??

Thanks
Finster

[oldslowchevy]

i am all about helping some one but some one you have never met,...hummmmmm. if this guy has a problem will he call you and pay you for your help or just say it is your fault? also in florida when i was looking into getting my lic. there were 6 guys waiting to pay fines for doing just what you are saying. i would not do it. i would how ever try to work out something so you can get the work and get your name out there, you might eat alittle profit now but it should pay off later. one last thing i wish you the best of luck becuase in my area of florida there is only 2 houses and a court building going on, and nothing else, but that is just in my town

[PLUMBER RICK]

sounds like the guy needs to get his own license and not yours.

as osc said, he is a complete stranger. don't do it. instead give him a price to do it for him with your license.

rick.

[drtyhands]

What's the problem,Let him use your license # to pull permits.That way he can use it on future jobs if he thinks he needs to.Let him do a substandard instalation that the community can see you name on if they check the books.He does not finish the job so your bond will be applied then the bonding company will dump you and mark your record.The structure owner will sue you,and report you to the state license board for a complaint,they will suspend your license for illegal activity.Then a 1" solder joint blows out 2 years later and you get to get sued again.Meanwhile he's gotten the money he wants,bye-bye.

You always were good at the crap tables,go for it.Put everything you own on RED.

p.s. It's not totally like your gambling.He's going to give you $300.00

[toolaholic]

AGREE WITH Rick,I'd knock off a liquor first!!!

[BILLG]

plus, if the inspector finds out or sees crappy work he will have a permanent hard-on for you. tons of fun for everyone.......NOT.

[drtyhands]

plus, if the inspector finds out or sees crappy work he will have a permanent hard-on for you. tons of fun for everyone.......NOT.
That's what I mean when he goes back to the office and sees that it's your name and number on the permit.....FOREVER:eek:

[BILLG]

That's what I mean when he goes back to the office and sees that it's your name and number on the permit.....FOREVER:eek:

it can't be over emphasized, plus i just like adding a little color:)

[biscuit]

Yeah, what everyone else has said. This is just asking for trouble that you dont ever-ever need , especially just starting out.

Later,

[Evil Gopher]

Id advise aginst it....for the same reasons people said above....like a HVAC guy doing side work wearing a company uniform....he porks up the job...guess who they blame?? yep the company not the goofball....seen Big boss get a few calls from pissed off "customers"....dude got fired but company ended up spending $$ to make it right.

Same with this situation....IF all goes well...no problem..no one knows.....but IF this guy cant get his own lic why???? Does he realy know how to do it "to code"...just seems to me IF he does anything wrong....lawyers, and code enforecment is goign to see YUOR lic # and come after u....not that guy.

[westcoastplumber]

I have just recently started a State Certified plumbing company in Florida . I was recently approached to pull a permit for a guy to install sub water meters for a MHP. Unfortunately, he will have his guy do the work . All I have to do is pull the permit. It has been a little slow start and the start up cost is killing my pocket book, and a Baby on the way doesn't help matters any. I like doing things the right way and by the book . But ,I dont want this to bite me on my a@@ later on.

What could happen if I take this guys offer?
Should I do it?
What would you guys do and have you had this happen to you??

Thanks
Finster



I have many people come and ask me to pull permits for them, I always say NO!

The permit will be pulled under your license, so any problems, it's your fault

Long term, we are liable for 10 years here in california, with you not doing the work, how do you know it is good for 10 years, do you trust his guy's? If something happens, your name is on it.

Thats just one thing to think about, there are many others.

I know things may be slow right now, but in the future, say in 5 years, your company is strong and you are set up financially, this job comes back to bite you in the butt with a lawsuit, you will lose everything.

That permit links you and your company to this job.

Remember, not all money is good money

Good luck and hang in there;)

[cellardoor]

So what you guys are saying is that even though I work for Home Depot you wouldn't pull permits as a favor to me. I mean c'mon I've learned so much there I could practically open up my own shop. You should trust my work, I've soldered over 5 whole joints in my life. That one leak was just a fluke.

[westcoastplumber]

So what you guys are saying is that even though I work for Home Depot you wouldn't pull permits as a favor to me. I mean c'mon I've learned so much there I could practically open up my own shop. You should trust my work, I've soldered over 5 whole joints in my life. That one leak was just a fluke.


HAHAHAHAHA, thats exactly what we are saying:D:D

[oldslowchevy]

in some states the home owner can pull there own permits though i never checked with florida,

[biscuit]

in some states the home owner can pull there own permits though i never checked with florida,

Many states allow that, but think about it. The permit is pulled by the homeowner for work being performed on the homeowners property. When things go wrong, the homeowner cant file suit against himself.

Regards,

[Finster]

Thank You , Everyone. I told the guy no. I appreciate the feedback . I didn't like the sound of it from the begining.

I'm Praying for rain for the folks in Cali.

Finster

[westcoastplumber]

Thank You , Everyone. I told the guy no. I appreciate the feedback . I didn't like the sound of it from the begining.

I'm Praying for rain for the folks in Cali.

Finster


Thanks, we need it Finster, less the lightening.

Good luck and hang in there, things will be great!!!:D

You made the right decision.

[ToUtahNow]

finster,

Over the years I have known more than one contractor who lost more than just their license for doing exactly what you were considering. You worked hard for your license and now you need to protect it at all cost.

Mark

[PLUMBER RICK]

i just turned down a very large job due to the fact the building didn't want to have a permit pulled on the project.

it was a combination waste and vent system for a country club bar area. 6 floor sinks and 4 floor drains. this was not a repair to the exisiting system, but a complete reroute of the system.

they said they would get a plumber that used to work there to do it. if it's like any of the old stuff i've come across there, it will be a mess done wrong.

now i don't have to loose sleep over the fact of boot legging in a job that requires prior approval by the plumbing inspector to install a combination system.

rick.

[westcoastplumber]

I went to a remodel today, they have demo'ed out the kitchen, living room, dinner area, no permits, want to run an island vent, tankless, replace the complete gas system, add hot pot filler over stove, move drain, vent for k/s area.

The house is 2 blocks from the beach, 3 bathroom, the guy doesn't want permits pulled.

I can hear it now......Judge: Did you pull permits?
Plumber: No, customer didn't want them pulled
Judge: You are the professional, you
know better then that.
Judge: Guilty stupid ***!

[biscuit]

You got that right, If you are the professional and responsible for the permits, it has to be done.

I am not sure how different jurisdictions look at this, but just yesterday I had a situation arise.

I do a lot of design build work for many smaller builders (commercial). The contract states that they are responsible for permits etc...


Needless to say, on this one job in Madison, MS (where a damn McDonalds must look like a small Palace etc..) only had a gas water heater to hook up. I did the job as a favor at no cost about a month ago( I do over 4 million a year with this one builder so job like this at no cost will be made up later:D).

Anyway, he calls me yesterday and tells me to get the certificate of occupancy that we need to get a permit:eek:. Problem is that the owner took posession of the building last week:rolleyes:.

I laughed and told him good luck, but he knows that we have a "IN" with the cities around here and they hired a new inspector who is giving him trouble.

The problem lies in the fact that he did not want to pay the permit fee for such a small item and be inconvienced. I will let him sweat it out for a few days but I have already taken care of the problem for him.

Sorry to ramble on, but I guess what I am saying is always pull the permits, its part of the job.

[winslow]

I have just recently started a State Certified plumbing company in Florida . I was recently approached to pull a permit for a guy to install sub water meters for a MHP. Unfortunately, he will have his guy do the work . All I have to do is pull the permit. It has been a little slow start and the start up cost is killing my pocket book, and a Baby on the way doesn't help matters any. I like doing things the right way and by the book . But ,I dont want this to bite me on my a@@ later on.

What could happen if I take this guys offer?
Should I do it?
What would you guys do and have you had this happen to you??

Thanks
Finster

Sounds to me like someone else will enjoy all the profit while you get to "enjoy" all the liability. If the work is done incorrectly guess who gets to fix it free of charge?