General Plumbing Estimates?

[Red River Plumber Noob]

I'm finding it very difficult to find rough estimates without a blue print of a house. My question is, how much does all of the plumbings instalation cost in a new home of 1300 square feet and a 2400 square feet two storey home cost? All I would want to know is how much the plumbing would cost, not the cost of the fixtures.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am very tired of leaving messages that never get returned!!!

[mrs. westcoast]

I'm finding it very difficult to find rough estimates without a blue print of a house. My question is, how much does all of the plumbings instalation cost in a new home of 1300 square feet and a 2400 square feet two storey home cost? All I would want to know is how much the plumbing would cost, not the cost of the fixtures.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I am very tired of leaving messages that never get returned!!!


Are you the one doing the work?

Are you licensed? Insured?

Or you are hiring someone to do the work?

[Red River Plumber Noob]

It's mostly theoretical here. I am conductiong a feasability study right now and I am trying to see how much it would cost to incorporate a greywater recycling system(http://www.bracsystems.com/about-us.html) in a new home. So under this scenario, we would be doing the work, were licensed, and Insured. I just want some general numbers to work with so that I can see how many extra costs would be applied on top of the plumbing.

[drtyhands]

Pretty vague on what you want with no plans on the two totally different products.

Out here I could go as low as 750 per fixture requiring waste,then add water heater,gas system,water service from street to house,sewer from street to house,ice maker line from kitchen sink cabinet to ice maker location,condensate lines(HVAC does not install out here,they want us to be included on the liability if something goes wrong with the system)this is for the single story.

Do you want cast Iron to drain waste in the walls between the first and second floors of your two story to silence the noise plastic will make?If so do want the pipes in the walls(risers) only.Or do you want cast all the way to the fixture with plastic vents for absolute waste system silence.You can expect an extra based on the design of the waste system.I need to know how many risers I'm putting in.

On the two story you can get pretty close to a southern California rate at 1300 per fixture.Maybe a little more,maybe a little less.I haven't updated my residential rates.

Commercial fixtures are around $2000.00 per fixture plus extras.I'm sure your rates in your area are a little lower.

Hope this helps to get the thread going there are some guys here on the forum closer to you that can get closer to your regional rate.

[drtyhands]

They made an attempt in the early 90s to get graywater reclamation systems going down here in So.Calif.,never took a good foothold.It was too easy for people to get water.You watch what happens now that everyones starting to become concerned with the current state of global affairs.

[Red River Plumber Noob]

Very much so. I am trying to better understand if there is a market for greywater recycling units right now and trying to conduct a market analysis on how feasible and profitable it may potentially be. Any bit of information is greatly appreciated.

[drtyhands]

It's mostly theoretical here. I am conductiong a feasability study right now and I am trying to see how much it would cost to incorporate a greywater recycling system(http://www.bracsystems.com/about-us.html) in a new home. So under this scenario, we would be doing the work, were licensed, and Insured. I just want some general numbers to work with so that I can see how many extra costs would be applied on top of the plumbing.
So will you be installing the entire waste system in the home and then integrating your reclamation system into it,so your responsible for the full waste system.Our adding your system onto the homes existing system.Down here if anyone even touches our pipe we get out of or warranty on that contract,TOO much liability.

[drtyhands]

Very much so. I am trying to better understand if there is a market for greywater recycling units right now and trying to conduct a market analysis on how feasible and profitable it may potentially be. Any bit of information is greatly appreciated.
I think your making a good decision to see if you can get something on the ground floor.Who knows what's going to happen in the next five to ten years.

What are you finding out from the others who have tried it in the years gone past.

How do the powers that be want you to protect the enduser from getting lawn suds or contaminated.Or have you not gotten there yet.I'm currious:D

You don't have to answer if your uncomfortable.

Welcome to the forum.Interesting subject should be fun.

[drtyhands]

Red River????

We got one down here,Red River Gorge,Dunbar's gonna show me some of his favorite rock climbing routes.Can't keep'm to yourself forever Dunbar:cool:

[Red River Plumber Noob]

One system is currently being used right now as a test and after that the gov't regulations will either be for it or against it. The regulations where I live right now are pretty flexible for residential homes, not so much for commercial facilities though. I am just trying to get as much ground work and information together to better understand if there is a market.

It seems these days that there is a natural progression towards being green and conservation. This seems to be something that would fit into the trend and maybe someday become the norm.

Not that sure about previous organizations successes or failures though. Be interesting to hear about that as well.

The system itself does seem to have a lot of potential. I just want to accumulate as much data as I can to better understand the potential market.

[drtyhands]

Got some great wisdom here on this forum.Wish you were here this weakend when everyone had time off.Give the guys some time to respond after they get in from the fields tonight.

No matter what,I wish you luck on your venture.

Adam:)

[drtyhands]

Red,
The qoutes are for fixtures requiring waste lines.Any fixture that requires waste obviously needs water.So the potable water system is in those prices.It wasn't until now that I realized that you may or may not need this information.I do not have a price to either retro-fit an existing system or run a split grey-soil waste system on a new structure,condos,apts.single family homes.If this thing kicks off I can see building owners looking into it when their tenants are on the buildings community water bill.

Most reclaim systems out here were just a tank and pump to squirt some soapy water on your roses:p

How often do you have to change the detergent filters on your units:eek::p








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[bigPipe09]

Hey red river,

I;m out here in Alberta, so our prices should be fairly close to yours, I'd say possibly 10 -15% higher in labour. The rough -in for a 2 bathroom 1200-1500 sq ft home is around $6000 if you leave out bathtubs (They are usually included in rough-in pricing) and around 7500-8500 for a 2500 sq.ft home. This is all plastic of course but that is the norm for residential construction canadawide. If you have any questions email me at westtrailplumbing@gmail.com

[mrs. westcoast]

Red,
The qoutes are for fixtures requiring waste lines.Any fixture that requires waste obviously needs water.So the potable water system is in those prices.It wasn't until now that I realized that you may or may not need this information.I do not have a price to either retro-fit an existing system or run a split grey-soil waste system on a new structure,condos,apts.single family homes.If this thing kicks off I can see building owners looking into it when their tenants are on the buildings community water bill.

Most reclaim systems out here were just a tank and pump to squirt some soapy water on your roses:p

How often do you have to change the detergent filters on your units:eek::p








(watch To UtahNowNow hit me up on this one RED).............................................. .........:)

MARK read the fine print:D Adam begs you to hit him:D

[drtyhands]

MARK read the fine print:D Adam begs you to hit him:D
Zeljka,
In your "American Slang" quick Croatian reference pocket book page 234 paragraph#3 line 17

"Hit him up" is Ghetto for ......inquire

Oh wait a minute,I get it.No habla engles
Sorry,I can't translate into Croatian



:):):)

[mrs. westcoast]

Zeljka,
In your "American Slang" quick Croatian reference pocket book page 234 paragraph#3 line 17

"Hit him up" is Ghetto for ......inquire

Oh wait a minute,I get it.No habla engles
Sorry,I can't translate into Croatian



:):):)

I don't have American slang refe.book and never did. I would tell you that i don't understand what you are saying but hold on...i never understand you Adam:eek::D

[ToUtahNow]

Red River,

I’m actually looking at requiring grey-water systems in a subdivision I am currently working on in Utah. The problem I am having is it appears Utah requires such a large grey-water storage it is questionable as to whether the water will be used before it is so brackish it is no longer usable.

As for your pricing I believe you are looking at your estimate the wrong way. What you need to do is look at what the additional cost would be to split the system to allow for collecting grey-water. If I told you it would cost $6,000 to plumb a 1,400 single story house you still would need to know what the grey-water piping would cost. In addition to the assumed $6,000 you need to figure the cost of running waste lines only to your collection point.

If you were to figure the cost of waste only at $300 per fixture and you had 6 fixtures to feed your grey-water system you would add $1,800 to the cost of plumbing the home. Of course from there you will have to estimate the cost of the collection, storage and distribution system.

Mark

[drtyhands]

I don't have American slang refe.book and never did. I would tell you that i don't understand what you are saying but hold on...i never understand you Adam:eek::D
HA,your in good company.Nobody does.Including me:cool:

[Hondahead]

All I would want to know is how much the plumbing would cost, we would be doing the work, we're licensed, and Insured

Am I missing something here? If you are licensed and insured to do plumbing shouldn't you know what it costs to plumb a house? :confused:

[ToUtahNow]

Am I missing something here? If you are licensed and insured to do plumbing shouldn't you know what it costs to plumb a house? :confused:

As a trade he has listed himself as a student.

Mark

[westcoastplumber]

Am I missing something here? If you are licensed and insured to do plumbing shouldn't you know what it costs to plumb a house? :confused:



Good Point hondahead. I got on my wife because she asked the question, but once again, I appear to be wrong:eek: she is a bright one.

Maybe this is a school project, or someone pricing his parents quote.

I appreciate the call for peoples credentials, it frees up the rift raft.

[plumbdog10]

This is a guy building a house on his own who wants to budget the plumbing. H should post on the forum below.

[biscuit]

This is a guy building a house on his own who wants to budget the plumbing. H should post on the forum below.

If thats true, He is already in trouble. :(

[Red River Plumber Noob]

Just a friendly reminder here... I said this is "theoretical" and a "scenario" so you have to assume certain things and just go with the information rather than question credentials.

I am a Canadian college student doing an entrepreneur project. In this project that has a lot of real potential to become a business, I have to attain information in regards to the idea that I think will be something worth investing a year of my life into. I am not a plumber and my background knowledge comes from people like you and other places I conduct my research from. So I apologize for my lack of knowledge but thought that the username I had selected would be self explanatory or shed some light into my level of knowledge in which I am NOT an expert :speechless:in the field of plumbing.

My focus is on greywater recycling and how I think it needs to become mandatory in the future for all new houses. I need to know certain figures and other such information for me to conduct a proper study on the topic without becoming a plumber.

greywater recycling is really picking up but has regulatory restrictions currently that are slowing it down. There is currently a couple of houses being build right now with a greywater unit that will be analyzed by my local government and then a choice will be made in which they will either approve of it and push to have it everywhere or else say that it is a hazardous to the living conditions of the residents and must not be supported and backed with government incentives.

I believe that there is major potential for this idea to become a big investment of many angels. To conserve water, to potentially build my own business, to save money, to make money, and to help all of mankind in the next step in global thinking.

I don't know about the quality of water in your part of the world but I like mine and I want it to be around for my children to enjoy as well.

So you really have to ask yourself, do you like the satisfaction of knowing you are using less water and saving money on your monthly water bill? :)

If you don't believe me then all it's going to take is five to ten minutes of your life to do a little research into water consumption to know that in our lifetime it is going to be a major issue we can do something about, our children won't get that option if things remain status quo.

So once again,,, thanks to all for all the information you are and have provided me with and anything else that you may know of in regards to greywater recycling, I would really like to hear what you have to say and what YOU know, because I obviously don't.

[Australian Plumber Josh]

Red
From my experience with greywater systems the start up / installation costs are a considerable disincentive.

whole house setups will cost at least $10 000 installed. more so if its a retro fit job.

to put this in perspective our water utility charges $1.20/ kilo litre.(1000 litres). you need to save a lot of water to make up that ammount. Add to this the fact that people are moving house more often these days, and if you dont stay in the house there is less time to recoup your investment.

People installing these systems seem to base their decision on the feel good / enviromental responsibility factor.

The last house i built could operate completely independently of the utilities grid,With the option of running on mains power / water / gas if i chose. This was a considerable investment in plant and equipment and now that its sold its obvious that this technology did not add anything to the marketability or sale price of the house.

check out
http://www.sustainablehouse.com.au/
this house has similar systems to what i used.

Dont let my opinions put you off your ideas. All the technology is completely functional for a family house. Once the cost of the systems is reduced their appeal will increase.