Ridgid Roundup Strategies?

[ToUtahNow]

I was just wondering if anyone has any and what would they be? I believe the West Coast Titans will be staying at the La Quinta by the Cleveland Airport. We've been training hard so you guys better be ready.

Mark

Mark

[PLUMBER RICK]

mark, don't forget about the mandatory team meeting this sunday. also we will be working with adam and robert to give them the k-60 advantage.

afterwords we'll go for shakes;)

rick.

[Josh]

Ok.. theoretically.. if we were to have these contest ;) what could we set up to have a fair (and safe) guantlet. How would some 4" schedule 40 pvc with holes drilled in it with dowl rods and burlap bag fragments hanging work? Its something we could set up pretty easily and I think it would be pretty safe.

We could also have breakdown and cable handling contest like putting together lengths of section or switching out a drum. Ben told me there was some thread from a while back where he asked everyone about a training setup that worked well for him with burlap bags.

ya know the drum guys are gonna have to agree on the setups as well.

Remember this is all officially just theory. Nothing has been announced officially about the roundup. If nothing happens here I vote we all fly out to Utah and have the clash of the Titans Mark's property. Or we could all go visit Yasuda:D

Focus on safety here guys. We dont want anyone hurting themselves.

Josh

[All Clear Sewer]

mark, don't forget about the mandatory team meeting this sunday. also we will be working with adam and robert to give them the k-60 advantage.

afterwords we'll go for shakes;)

rick.

See theres the problem, it takes a team to run one of them machines.:thud:
If you had a good drum machine you can work alone :D

[PLUMBER RICK]

See theres the problem, it takes a team to run one of them machines.:thud:
If you had a good drum machine you can work alone :D

remember, the only drain cleaning equipment adam owns is a plunger:D

i'm giving him a crash course. what are you afraid of adam too;)

robert is also a drum guy, so not quite sure if he is your spy.

why not come out yourself and we'll give you that demo you've been waiting for;).

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

robert is also a drum guy, so not quite sure if he is your spy.




I aint saying ;)

[PLUMBER RICK]

Ok.. theoretically.. if we were to have these contest ;) what could we set up to have a fair (and safe) guantlet. How would some 4" schedule 40 pvc with holes drilled in it with dowl rods and burlap bag fragments hanging work? Its something we could set up pretty easily and I think it would be pretty safe.

We could also have breakdown and cable handling contest like putting together lengths of section or switching out a drum. Ben told me there was some thread from a while back where he asked everyone about a training setup that worked well for him with burlap bags.

ya know the drum guys are gonna have to agree on the setups as well.

Remember this is all officially just theory. Nothing has been announced officially about the roundup. If nothing happens here I vote we all fly out to Utah and have the clash of the Titans Mark's property. Or we could all go visit Yasuda:D

Focus on safety here guys. We dont want anyone hurting themselves.

Josh

josh, the mock setup is not a real life scenario. i'm sure ridgid has a factory that needs some drains cleaned. why not make it true to life.

1.5''- 6''. without an elevator to the roof. just stairs. inside and outside, clean outs and traps. we won't even charge you for the service:D

and remember, the challenge was drum vrs. sectional.

1 machine only. you can swap cables or drums, but 1 machine only.

the mock set up might be fun to see what cleans the line while we all watch. but the moving of the equipment up and down the stairs is the real challenge.

i want to see blood, sweat and tears:eek:

from the :loser:

rick.

remember this has been my challenge since the get go. the k-60, the most universal machine. if all i had was 1 machine, it would be the k-60.

now lets hear what the drum guys think:confused: what machine is your 1 machine you will use?

[All Clear Sewer]

Oh now Rick wants to set the rules.....rotflmao


Hey Rick a real life scenario takes more then one machine and if there is an elevator you can bet I`m gonna use it :D remember REAL LIFE and I`m GAME :D

Hey Josh I like Ricks Idea here on we will run the building sewers.

Rick seem`s to have a hard on for stairs for some reason. Maybe it`s my 300lb machine he`s sceard of :eek:

you know my #1 machine is the K-7500 but it`s a real ***** on tub drains ;)

[PLUMBER RICK]

Oh now Rick wants to set the rules.....rotflmao


Hey Rick a real life scenario takes more then one machine and if there is an elevator you can bet I`m gonna use it :D remember REAL LIFE and I`m GAME :D

Hey Josh I like Ricks Idea here on we will run the building sewers.

Rick seem`s to have a hard on for stairs for some reason. Maybe it`s my 300lb machine he`s sceard of :eek:

you know my #1 machine is the K-7500 but it`s a real ***** on tub drains ;)

all clear, remember who coined the phrase "ridgid roundup"

remember whose idea this was?

next time you come up with the event, you make the rules.

these have been what i've stated for months now. all you have to do is a search for ridgid roundup and all the other post i've mentioned this on.

i sure hope you could beat me at a ground level clean out with your drum. but remember in real life not all drains are ground level and easy access.

look at that contraption you have for the roofs. see what i'm saying:D

1 machine all the cables you need. 1.5''-6''. i know my k60 with 5/8'' sectional will work a 1.5'' line with trap.

will your k7500 with 5/8'' cable do a 1.5'' line with a trap. :poke:

go read the old post and stop your complaining.

what are you scared of? a 45# machine:D

even crappy has one now:thumbup2:

you even have a jetter now. last year you called them junk:eek:

wanna put pink slips on the k-60 vrs. k7500:confused:

don't worry, it will be a new one at the plant you will gamble away. not old faithful:D

[All Clear Sewer]

yes I think I could do 1 1/2 with my K-7500 :thumbup2:

[ToUtahNow]

As I recall the deal was using only one machine. However, to make this interesting we could have a point system by drain type, machine type and you lose points for each machine over your first machine you pull off the truck.

Mark

[DUNBAR]

How would some 4" schedule 40 pvc with holes drilled in it with dowl rods and burlap bag fragments hanging work? Its something we could set up pretty easily and I think it would be pretty safe.


Josh



Ahhh....! So you've watched your competition setup before :nanner:



josh, the mock setup is not a real life scenario.


WRONG!

Comon now, we're not talking about machines that have to slowly keep nudging through root balls hoping for them to curl into the spirals; ever estimated how much time you invest cleaning cables that wide looped?

I remember, it sucked!

Tighter spiral<> less cleaning

Josh's idea is perfect, puts his drum machines to task as well and I'm sure they perform just as well as the spartans.

I don't think I'd want to be in the room, let alone the city limits if you wound up a K-60 to that tight of a torque; someone is definitely going to get hurt.

Is this what you were concerned about?

You do know if I ever make it to one of these, I'm putting one arm behind my back, that's a promise. No reason to go on a roof because there's no reason you can't hit a clog on the ground level. Should I reference the post from "plumber" for clarity?

Josh is on the right path, he knows that's a true testament of drain cleaning and what hard obstructions are about. TORQUE delivered to the end of your cable.

I'll supply all the pipe/dowel rods (large ones like 1") and see who's cable flies out of the drain fastest when it torques down to

chew

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chew

As I recall the deal was using only one machine. However, to make this interesting we could have a point system by drain type, machine type and you lose points for each machine over your first machine you pull off the truck.

Mark


And,

how many times you go to the truck
how much mess you create in your work area
how much time from truck arrival to tailights leaving


First one to eat a twinkie with the machine unmanned, wins! :grin-square:

[PLUMBER RICK]

yes I think I could do 1 1/2 with my K-7500 :thumbup2:

1.5'' traps.you're a bigger man than me:rolleyes:

last time i checked all fixtures had traps. unless you want to crawl under the complex to remove a trap on a tub, shower, bidet:eek:

i'll let you remove them on sinks, but that is slower than going through the trap with a 5/8'' cable and cutter.

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

And,

how many times you go to the truck
how much mess you create in your work area
how much time from truck arrival to tailights leaving


First one to eat a twinkie with the machine unmanned, wins! :grin-square:

It sounds good to me. As far as injuries the only injuries I've had while drain cleaning have been with a drum machine.

Mark

[Crappy days]

Ahhh....! So you've watched your competition setup before :nanner:






WRONG!

Comon now, we're not talking about machines that have to slowly keep nudging through root balls hoping for them to curl into the spirals; ever estimated how much time you invest cleaning cables that wide looped?

I remember, it sucked!

Tighter spiral<> less cleaning

Josh's idea is perfect, puts his drum machines to task as well and I'm sure they perform just as well as the spartans.

I don't think I'd want to be in the room, let alone the city limits if you wound up a K-60 to that tight of a torque; someone is definitely going to get hurt.

Is this what you were concerned about?

You do know if I ever make it to one of these, I'm putting one arm behind my back, that's a promise. No reason to go on a roof because there's no reason you can't hit a clog on the ground level. Should I reference the post from "plumber" for clarity?

Josh is on the right path, he knows that's a true testament of drain cleaning and what hard obstructions are about. TORQUE delivered to the end of your cable.

I'll supply all the pipe/dowel rods (large ones like 1") and see who's cable flies out of the drain fastest when it torques down to

chew

chew

chew




And,

how many times you go to the truck
how much mess you create in your work area
how much time from truck arrival to tailights leaving


First one to eat a twinkie with the machine unmanned, wins! :grin-square:


I can say after using the Ridgid K 60 for only a couple of days that it is just as easy if not easier to clean the cable. Hose it off in the carrying case and your done. Plus very easy to oil , just lightly spray cable after cleaning presto like a magician.:thumbup:

[PLUMBER RICK]

Ahhh....! So you've watched your competition setup before :nanner:






WRONG!

Comon now, we're not talking about machines that have to slowly keep nudging through root balls hoping for them to curl into the spirals; ever estimated how much time you invest cleaning cables that wide looped?

I remember, it sucked!

Tighter spiral<> less cleaning we are talking cleaning the drains, not just pushing cable. since i have first hand experience with sectionals and drum. i can tell you that a drum typically cuts from the front of the cutter while a sectional with it's open wind cuts from the front cutter and along it's entire path.
so what you're saying is get in and get out. forget about real cleaning.

Josh's idea is perfect, puts his drum machines to task as well and I'm sure they perform just as well as the spartans.

yes they do, as i own a spartan 300 and it too sits idle in my shed. never even made it into the shop. problem is spartan doesn't make a sectional to compare. but general does. and i own 2 drum machines and 2 sectional machines from general. the sectional are right up there with the ridgid. the drums are not in the same class as the ridgid.

I don't think I'd want to be in the room, let alone the city limits if you wound up a K-60 to that tight of a torque; someone is definitely going to get hurt.

100% wrong. a sectional will stop instantly when you release the clutch. i have never even twisted a sectional cable. and when i did need to break a 7/8'' cable to get it out. it was much harder than i ever thought it would be. i used a come along and it surprised me how hard that was to pull.

Is this what you were concerned about?

You do know if I ever make it to one of these, I'm putting one arm behind my back, that's a promise. No reason to go on a roof because there's no reason you can't hit a clog on the ground level. Should I reference the post from "plumber" for clarity?

Josh is on the right path, he knows that's a true testament of drain cleaning and what hard obstructions are about. TORQUE delivered to the end of your cable.

wrong again. torque is when you are stuck in a drain. keeping the cutting speed up is what does the cutting. a cable not spinning is not going to clean.

I'll supply all the pipe/dowel rods (large ones like 1") and see who's cable flies out of the drain fastest when it torques down to

chew

chew

chew

tell you what, i'll rig up a 2x4 and i'll cut through it with a sectional before you can figure out how to do that with a drum.





And,

how many times you go to the truck
how much mess you create in your work area
how much time from truck arrival to tailights leaving


First one to eat a twinkie with the machine unmanned, wins! :grin-square:

i'll even take you on the twinkie contest. i have pictures from the christmas party to prove that. fastest one to down 3 without water
and no :barf:.

all talk, you better come out and prove it to me :D

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

tell you what, i'll rig up a 2x4 and i'll cut through it with a sectional before you can figure out how to do that with a drum. :D

rick.



This I want to see :) and lets see you do it at,hummmmm lets say 100` :D

[DUNBAR]

I'm too tired to type; I promise to keep it under 1000 characters :deadhorse:

[PLUMBER RICK]

This I want to see :) and lets see you do it at,hummmmm lets say 100` :D

we all know a 2x4 is not a stoppage. but my buddy steve and josh have seen me do it. no it's not 100' away. it was just a couple of feet away and in a special jig to hold it in place. 1.25'' sectional with a k1500 machine.

now a 7/8'' machine will do it too, but just at a slower pace as the cable is not as stiff. it's all in the cutter and speed.

the drum machines don't have the speed nor the cutter choice.

just look at all the different styles of cutters for the sectional that are not offered for the drums. there is a reason for this.
ridgid knows it and so do i.:D

rick.

[drtyhands]

remember, the only drain cleaning equipment adam owns is a plunger:D

i'm giving him a crash course. what are you afraid of adam too;)

robert is also a drum guy, so not quite sure if he is your spy.

why not come out yourself and we'll give you that demo you've been waiting for;).

rick.I didn't buy it either,it came with the house.Mellie is the only one certified on it.

[DUNBAR]

we are talking cleaning the drains, not just pushing cable. since i have first hand experience with sectionals and drum. i can tell you that a drum typically cuts from the front of the cutter while a sectional with it's open wind cuts from the front cutter and along it's entire path.
so what you're saying is get in and get out. forget about real cleaning.


And I don't have experience with both? :eek: Remember, I stated that I ran the Ridgid-Kollman in my humble beginnings, the electric eel. That's all the rental yards had. Not to knock the rental yards but the equipment I was renting was in great shape, new. So there was no defect in product when I was operating the equipment.

I used that type of equipment till 1998 and enough was enough. Too much work and too my physical enduring the task at hand to clear the drain. Constantly touching those cables, constantly cleaning those cables between jobs became a nightmare. Not all obstructions are clear water clogs. Do a job where the main is laying nearly flat, old OLD sewage as black as black gets and now you have a cable reversing out of the machine that absolutely smells to high hell, customer looking at you like the end of the world is near....both healthwise and on a cleanliness standard. Asking to clean those cables at your customer's driveway, basement, anywhere is to say the least, dangerous because you're spreading the germs that should be minimized at all times. The drum offers that convenience completely.

If that open wind is doing the work of cleaning.....how is that achieved on a continual basis when you basically "hand feed" that cable to the obstruction, then only clutch that machine when you have to maneuver a hard turn fitting or the obstruction itself? The cable "only" turns when it's being clutched to operate. The drum has that cable spinning from the time it enters till the time it leaves. The spartan has a constant forward clockwise spinning motion that if it has any slight bends in the cable, it's scouring the pipe as it goes, consistently.

Explain to me how it isn't when it's constantly turning, unlike the sectional.

100% wrong. a sectional will stop instantly when you release the clutch. i have never even twisted a sectional cable. and when i did need to break a 7/8'' cable to get it out. it was much harder than i ever thought it would be. i used a come along and it surprised me how hard that was to pull.



Okay, tell me this; I'm "assuming" that you cannot engage that sectional cable unless you drop the lever to make it move, correct? Now, tell me how you run your sectional and put 2 hand pressure to maneuver a hard obstruction and be able to hold that clutch to engage motion. A third hand?


When I used sectionals, I had just this problem; I'm trying to engage the clutch to move the cable, I'm using my other hand to push that cable through the obstruction or maneuver a misaligned pipe and the cable starts to "wind up" like it's torquing, winding in the spring back to the user. The machine will tell you instantly the situation and as soon as you let go of the clutch, the cable immediately reverses motion and spins the winding of the cable back to a rested stance. Don't tell me that every drain clog goes uneventful without hard blockages; that's not the true reality of drain cleaning. There's clogs I've banged out that took numerous tries and luckily I did get past that misaligned pipe, that rough broken edge but it really sucked using a sectional. That wound up torque has to go somewhere and it's where the cable is exposed outside the pipe back at the user. Look out! Not a common everyday experience but I can name a significant amount of jobs, their locations that tell of the words I print out to attest to that event. It sucked to no end.

wrong again. torque is when you are stuck in a drain. keeping the cutting speed up is what does the cutting. a cable not spinning is not going to clean.


Noooooooooo, torque is when a cable attachment has approached an obstruction, the attachment has either stopped or is turning very slowly and it's trying to wind the cable by it's coiled design back to the machine to exert foot pound strength to break that obstruction free. That's why I run inner-core cables because as soon as this equation comes into play, it bears down on that inside core and stiffens that cable up to deliver hard breakthrough ability at the end of the cable, starting at the machine.

That sectional large cable to me is a loose cannon inside the drain because it's so damn springy, and that can have you pushing literally feet (estimating 1-3' of cable into that drain that can push right back out at you if you're trying to maneuver a hard turn or pass through some massive roots, pray that you don't bring back a whole bunch of roots on one pass, otherwise you're hurting when you pull back (you mentioned come-a-long, I didn't :cool:)
and the cable won't let you pull it out. The tight cable curl prevents this on a drum machine and concentrates what you retrieve solely to the cable end, that's it.

Get stuck? Carefully, CAREFULLY reverse your machine on a spartan and understand that you're risking unscrewing your attachment, understand your revolution of the cable is a thread score on that 2' leader with about 2" of fine threads.



Why.....on earth would Josh even mention this experiment if it didn't provide clarity to the effectiveness of drain cleaning equipment..........? I've never used a Ridgid Drum machine but I can already tell you that I'm appreciative of their plastic drums, no matter if they wear out or not; that equates to lightness which is not found with my spartan. If I bought the 2001 model I wouldn't be making that judgement call. I just did not see the reasoning to buy the larger setup knowing the 1065 was more towards 6"-10" lines and my work is mainly 3"-6", always.



a cable not spinning is not going to clean.


My very point with a drum machine that the cable is always moving, constantly.....

tell you what, i'll rig up a 2x4 and i'll cut through it with a sectional before you can figure out how to do that with a drum.



Oh yeah?! I'm bringing a 12" maple tree! First one who bores a hole through it end to end gets all your drain cleaning equipment! :have-fun:


i'll even take you on the twinkie contest. i have pictures from the christmas party to prove that. fastest one to down 3 without water
and no :barf:.

all talk, you better come out and prove it to me :D


Okay you win on the twinkie contest, But I have no problem buying you all the sugary snacks you want, especially when you're handing me a grand for my efforts!!!!! :trash-him:


Like I said, I'm heading to Phoenix to get edjumakatid on misting fans in a couple months, I can't see why I can't swing down to LA and find out why it's okay to be a kentucky redneck. :p


It's definitely true....we both love and hold our equipment dear to us. I did however find your hesitation to josh's example of the "first test" to me a little telling........no? :blush:


I can honestly say, and I'm sure other spartan owners will stand with me on this statement....but I say you can make that mock test as hard and is difficult as you want, doesn't really matter. If we're in this field of work on a regular basis, there's not really anything that's unmanageable with either piece of equipment.

It's the "what takes more effort" that I hold my ground on when we chat about this.


Why else would I of left sectionals, never to go back rick? Oh that's right, I'm lazy. :D Somewhere I know I've mentioned this factoid, for the record. Wouldn't the case be that IF I wasn't effectively cleaning these drains.....that my customer base would be instantly calling me back, telling me that I did not do a correct job? YES


To Mark,

That's how I started my business; injured my back moving a 1065 around 4-5 times a day up and down rickety steps. Horrible. That union plumber forever changed his thinking on 1 man band operation of a large machine because he was sued by an individual after a permanent back injury. This was long after I was gone.

My last day with that fool was when I pulled a 100 machine up a 3 stringer set of concrete steps at a former cincinnati's city council member's home. Tore groin muscles and indirectly injured my back. Thank goodness I had a girlfriend at the time with helping hands. :eek:

Crappy days,

A couple days? If I'm still alive, let's chat ole chap when 20 years passes and see how inclined you are to do that manual physical labor. I find great pleasure pushing a ball handled lever a couple inches either way and watch a machine push and pull that cable in and out, maybe give it a helping hand from time to time. It's easy! Cheesey Wheezie like Japaneezie!

[Drain Medic]

There should be more then 1 competition going...Sure do cable vs. sectional (My secret weapon will win either way).

Maybe do something Water Jets too.

You West Coasters have your meetings, strategize the best you can, your gonna need it to keep up with us young guys ;)

[papadan]

Now I wish I still had my K75, I would be happy to show these drum guys how it should be done, Fast and complete! I run 105' with roots at 70' and 85' and finished in less than 30 minutes.

[Josh]

We have a k-75 here... ;)

[Drain Medic]

Now I wish I still had my K75, I would be happy to show these drum guys how it should be done, Fast and complete! I run 105' with roots at 70' and 85' and finished in less than 30 minutes.


A K-75 are you kidding me? By the time you get that thing ready to rock and roll, my drum machine will have already cleared the blockage :cool:

[PLUMBER RICK]

dunbar, of course i'm going to respond to your jibberish, but joey is yelling at me to get ready for dinner.

and i'm more scared of her, than you:D

rick.

[DUNBAR]

dunbar, of course i'm going to respond to your jibberish, but joey is yelling at me to get ready for dinner.

and i'm more scared of her, than you:D

rick.


Thanks for the warning!

Have a large seat at the table for me!! I'll try to have manners even though we're dealing with my 4 stomachs!

[All Clear Sewer]

:bow-down: I love this place :D It`s getting GOOD!!!! or is that deep???.....rotflmao

[PLUMBER RICK]

Now I wish I still had my K75, I would be happy to show these drum guys how it should be done, Fast and complete! I run 105' with roots at 70' and 85' and finished in less than 30 minutes.

now that's what i'm talking dan;)

the k-75 is a scaled down 7/8'' version of the k-1500.

dan, come to the showdown and be on team sectional. we'll show them even a non plumber can smoke the drummies:eek:

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

There should be more then 1 competition going...Sure do cable vs. sectional (My secret weapon will win either way).

Maybe do something Water Jets too.

You West Coasters have your meetings, strategize the best you can, your gonna need it to keep up with us young guys ;)

yes, you young guys can lug your 250# machines up and down the stairs while us seasoned old timers will run our 35# k-60's up and down.

you better get some sleep as you're going to need it. i'll just stay up continuing to rag on you:lmao:

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

I used that type of equipment till 1998 and enough was enough. Too much work and too my physical enduring the task at hand to clear the drain. Constantly touching those cables, constantly cleaning those cables between jobs became a nightmare. Not all obstructions are clear water clogs. Do a job where the main is laying nearly flat, old OLD sewage as black as black gets and now you have a cable reversing out of the machine that absolutely smells to high hell, customer looking at you like the end of the world is near....both healthwise and on a cleanliness standard. Asking to clean those cables at your customer's driveway, basement, anywhere is to say the least, dangerous because you're spreading the germs that should be minimized at all times. The drum offers that convenience completely.

didn't anyone teach you to run water while snaking to help wash the stoppage away. also a great way to wash the snakes clean while pulling out.
the tight wind cable will retain a whole lot more water than an open wind cable. i even drilled a hole in my drum to help drain the drum while still in a standing position. the factory drain is on it's back.
600 rpm spins the water off a lot easier than 190 rpm.
my cable come back so dry i don't even need the guide hose indoors.



If that open wind is doing the work of cleaning.....how is that achieved on a continual basis when you basically "hand feed" that cable to the obstruction, then only clutch that machine when you have to maneuver a hard turn fitting or the obstruction itself? The cable "only" turns when it's being clutched to operate. The drum has that cable spinning from the time it enters till the time it leaves. The spartan has a constant forward clockwise spinning motion that if it has any slight bends in the cable, it's scouring the pipe as it goes, consistently.

Explain to me how it isn't when it's constantly turning, unlike the sectional.

once again a 600 rpm machine spinning with an open wind acts like an auger for the entire length. 190rpm tight wind is not cleaning as fast as 600 open.
i can push the sectional cable by hand a lot farther in than a non sectional cable. but i do run the machine as needed. the cutter i use is typically 1/2'' smaller than the pipe on cast and full size on plastic and clay.
i run the cable back and forth as i clean the line. i can actually cover more pipe faster than a drum auto feeder can go in and out. a good auto feeder is 22' per minute. a good sectional operator can move the cable faster than that if needed. so if the rpm is 3 times faster than a drum. technically, i can clean 3 times faster and produce the same results.




Okay, tell me this; I'm "assuming" that you cannot engage that sectional cable unless you drop the lever to make it move, correct? Now, tell me how you run your sectional and put 2 hand pressure to maneuver a hard obstruction and be able to hold that clutch to engage motion. A third hand?

typically i only need 1 hand to feed and 1 to engage the clutch. but when i do need to use 2 hands, i use my forearm on the clutch and my 2nd hand is able to work the cable. i've even used my butt:eek: to engage and free both hands. but usually it's 1 hand to feed and 1 to clutch.


When I used sectionals, I had just this problem; I'm trying to engage the clutch to move the cable, I'm using my other hand to push that cable through the obstruction or maneuver a misaligned pipe and the cable starts to "wind up" like it's torquing, winding in the spring back to the user. The machine will tell you instantly the situation and as soon as you let go of the clutch, the cable immediately reverses motion and spins the winding of the cable back to a rested stance. Don't tell me that every drain clog goes uneventful without hard blockages; that's not the true reality of drain cleaning. There's clogs I've banged out that took numerous tries and luckily I did get past that misaligned pipe, that rough broken edge but it really sucked using a sectional. That wound up torque has to go somewhere and it's where the cable is exposed outside the pipe back at the user. Look out! Not a common everyday experience but I can name a significant amount of jobs, their locations that tell of the words I print out to attest to that event. It sucked to no end.

tell me this. what is safer to operate. a sectional cable that stops spinning the instant you let off the clutch/ let go.

or a drum machine that acts as a flywheel and will continue to spin even once you let off the foot pedal. possibly up to 6- 10 rotations.

i can throttle the sectional cable into a tight fitting or turn. and stop in an instant. no drum continuing to turn or flywheel affect.
a drum without much cable in the line will torque up super fast. there is no spring to wind in a cable only a few feet in.



Nooo, torque is when a cable attachment has approached an obstruction, the attachment has either stopped or is turning very slowly and it's trying to wind the cable by it's coiled design back to the machine to exert foot pound strength to break that obstruction free. That's why I run inner-core cables because as soon as this equation comes into play, it bears down on that inside core and stiffens that cable up to deliver hard breakthrough ability at the end of the cable, starting at the machine.

i use cutting speed to cut. not torque to break a stoppage free. why do you think a drum machine will torque up and then spin back wards super fast when you hit a dead stop. the sectional is not torquing up. it's spinning as it continues to cut.

That sectional large cable to me is a loose cannon inside the drain because it's so damn springy, and that can have you pushing literally feet (estimating 1-3' of cable into that drain that can push right back out at you if you're trying to maneuver a hard turn or pass through some massive roots, pray that you don't bring back a whole bunch of roots on one pass, otherwise you're hurting when you pull back (you mentioned come-a-long, I didn't :cool:)
and the cable won't let you pull it out. The tight cable curl prevents this on a drum machine and concentrates what you retrieve solely to the cable end, that's it.

i can guarantee you that trying to use a 3/4'' drum cable on a 3'' or 4'' styrene area drain with non directional fittings and tees is not going to work. this is that junk pipe that is not glued and the fittings are tight turn. the only tool i've had any luck with is a jetter or a 7/8'' sectional.

my auger cutter found it's way outside of the pipe and worked it's way into the dirt with roots that were no longer roots. i used a come along to attempt to pull out the cable. no luck as it only was stretching. i ended up using a grinder to cut it off. a week later i saw cut the concrete and fixed the lines. this junk was installed 14 years ago and had never been maintained by the homeowner. outside area drains with junk pipe are hit and miss. this one was a miss.


Get stuck? Carefully, CAREFULLY reverse your machine on a spartan and understand that you're risking unscrewing your attachment, understand your revolution of the cable is a thread score on that 2' leader with about 2" of fine threads.

why would they make a cutter that unscrews in the line and will never come back?

Like I said, I'm heading to Phoenix to get edjumakatid on misting fans in a couple months, I can't see why I can't swing down to LA and find out why it's okay to be a kentucky redneck. :p

make sure to let us know. we'll give you the plumbercrack treatment;) i'll even let you have my cherry:eek:



Why else would I of left sectionals, never to go back rick? Oh that's right, I'm lazy. :D Somewhere I know I've mentioned this factoid, for the record. Wouldn't the case be that IF I wasn't effectively cleaning these drains.....that my customer base would be instantly calling me back, telling me that I did not do a correct job? YES

dunbar, i don't remember if you own a camera? but i can honestly tell you, there are so many times i will camera a job that was just cleaned by others. the line is nowhere clean. in fact many times the camera will not even pass the area. when i get done with my sectional, and make a before and after tape. you wouldn't even know it was the same line.

why is it that when other plumbers fail with their drum machines, i go there with my sectional and get it done? i have one sch. for tuesday with another plumbing company. how many other plumbing companies hire you to bail them out?

Crappy days,

A couple days? If I'm still alive, let's chat ole chap when 20 years passes and see how inclined you are to do that manual physical labor. I find great pleasure pushing a ball handled lever a couple inches either way and watch a machine push and pull that cable in and out, maybe give it a helping hand from time to time. It's easy! Cheesey Wheezie like Japaneezie!

i'll be 45:eek: in a month or so. i can still move and install any water heater by myself. up stairs and in basements. it's all in using your head, not just strength. the same goes true with jetting and snaking. a 35# machine that can do the same as a 250# machine is using my head.

with 3-750, 2-7500 and a spartan 5/8'' 300, and 2 general 1/2'' machines all sitting idle due to a 35# machine, you should take notice.


looking forward to the ridgid roundup. looking forward to giving you a lesson.

looking forward to a west coast get together:love:

rick.

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[Crappy days]

i'll be 45:eek: in a month or so. i can still move and install any water heater by myself. up stairs and in basements. it's all in using your head, not just strength. the same goes true with jetting and snaking. a 35# machine that can do the same as a 250# machine is using my head.

with 3-750, 2-7500 and a spartan 5/8'' 300, and 2 general 1/2'' machines all sitting idle due to a 35# machine, you should take notice.


looking forward to the ridgid roundup. looking forward to giving you a lesson.

looking forward to a west coast get together:love:

rick.

had to delete to under 10,000 characters:eek:

What west coast get together.

[Drain Medic]

yes, you young guys can lug your 250# machines up and down the stairs while us seasoned old timers will run our 35# k-60's up and down.

you better get some sleep as you're going to need it. i'll just stay up continuing to rag on you:lmao:

rick.


Ricky Ricky Ricky...You know, i will watch and listen to how you do things. WTH, you earned the right to talk all the crap you want:p Your a seasoned veteran.

After your done talking, after your done doing your machines, and clearing your lines, you can sit back and watch how its done in the 2000's :lol:


Ill bring my Icy Hot for you. You can apply to your knees and back. Oh and by the way, on that autograph that you PM'd me about, what was that inscription you wanted me to write on there " To Rick, You put up a good fight, better luck next year "08" Ridgid Roundup Champ and your pal Greg! :party-on:

[papadan]

To Rick, You put up a good fight, better luck next year "08" Ridgid Roundup Champ and your pal Greg! :party-on: Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!!!!
:D:D:D

[drtyhands]

What west coast get together.
Dunbar is coming out to Pheonix to do some research on his misters.He's considering coming out to L.A.for a get together and premier entertainment.

Are you coming Crappy?

[All Clear Sewer]

Ricky Ricky Ricky...You know, i will watch and listen to how you do things. WTH, you earned the right to talk all the crap you want:p Your a seasoned veteran.

After your done talking, after your done doing your machines, and clearing your lines, you can sit back and watch how its done in the 2000's :lol:


Ill bring my Icy Hot for you. You can apply to your knees and back. Oh and by the way, on that autograph that you PM'd me about, what was that inscription you wanted me to write on there " To Rick, You put up a good fight, better luck next year "08" Ridgid Roundup Champ and your pal Greg! :party-on:


I`m not sure that you`re totally talking to Rick here :eek: I`m also in my 40`s and started plumbing around the same time Rick did. I need that Icy Hot stuff :D But I am keeping up with times and using a DRUM MACHINE and not my back as much as I use to. I love my bucket:D Where else can you make this good of money setting on a 5gal bucket and letting a machine do all the work for ya :shrug:

[PLUMBER RICK]

Ricky Ricky Ricky...You know, i will watch and listen to how you do things. WTH, you earned the right to talk all the crap you want:p Your a seasoned veteran.

After your done talking, after your done doing your machines, and clearing your lines, you can sit back and watch how its done in the 2000's :lol:


Ill bring my Icy Hot for you. You can apply to your knees and back. Oh and by the way, on that autograph that you PM'd me about, what was that inscription you wanted me to write on there " To Rick, You put up a good fight, better luck next year "08" Ridgid Roundup Champ and your pal Greg! :party-on:

now greg, i always like a challenge;) no fun if i always win.

but just to show you, i still have it. we can have a friendly arm wrestling contest as long as joey doesn't find out. she doesn't want me to hurt anyone.:eek:

all i can say is looking forward to dropping you, 1 way or another:D

now as far as another west coast get together, give us some notice and we'll be glad to entertain you foreigners.

the still undefeated champ:killingme:

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

Ricky Ricky Ricky...You know, i will watch and listen to how you do things. WTH, you earned the right to talk all the crap you want:p Your a seasoned veteran.

After your done talking, after your done doing your machines, and clearing your lines, you can sit back and watch how its done in the 2000's :lol:


Ill bring my Icy Hot for you. You can apply to your knees and back. Oh and by the way, on that autograph that you PM'd me about, what was that inscription you wanted me to write on there " To Rick, You put up a good fight, better luck next year "08" Ridgid Roundup Champ and your pal Greg! :party-on:

We all need to remember to keep this friendly as it is okay for us to agree to disagree on how we do things. More importantly though is some do not realize Rick is a fairly new convert to sectional machines. When I joined the site 3-years ago Rick explained to me why sectional machines had their limitations. On my suggestion Rick bought (and used) a sectional machine and the rest is history. Our trucks all had sectional machines and drum machines on the truck so we could chose which ever we wanted to clean with. At the end of the day the sectionals were used 80% of the time yet 80% of the maintenance was on the drum machines.

Mark

[Drain Medic]

now greg, i always like a challenge;) no fun if i always win.

but just to show you, i still have it. we can have a friendly arm wrestling contest as long as joey doesn't find out. she doesn't want me to hurt anyone.:eek:

all i can say is looking forward to dropping you, 1 way or another:D

now as far as another west coast get together, give us some notice and we'll be glad to entertain you foreigners.

the still undefeated champ:killingme:

rick.


Arm wrestling?? are you kidding me :lol: You have a better chance at beating me in drain competitions then you do in arm wrestling.

You always win cause you havent had to face me yet. We all know how those West Coasters do things, now let us show you how its done when you come over to the East Coast ;)

[Drain Medic]

We all need to remember to keep this friendly as it is okay for us to agree to disagree on how we do things. More importantly though is some do not realize Rick is a fairly new convert to sectional machines. When I joined the site 3-years ago Rick explained to me why sectional machines had their limitations. On my suggestion Rick bought (and used) a sectional machine and the rest is history. Our trucks all had sectional machines and drum machines on the truck so we could chose which ever we wanted to clean with. At the end of the day the sectionals were used 80% of the time yet 80% of the maintenance was on the drum machines.

Mark


Mark, its all good, and Rick knows its all good. He has to put up a good fight to keep face :D

He breaks em right back as you can see (well trys to anyway)

The games is the fun thing... Wait till i bust out my FLAT RATE BOOK at the round up :eek:

[Drain Medic]

I`m not sure that you`re totally talking to Rick here :eek: I`m also in my 40`s and started plumbing around the same time Rick did. I need that Icy Hot stuff :D But I am keeping up with times and using a DRUM MACHINE and not my back as much as I use to. I love my bucket:D Where else can you make this good of money setting on a 5gal bucket and letting a machine do all the work for ya :shrug:


Wow and you were the one i was really worried about :D

Guess its going to be an easy victory all around for me ;)

[Josh]

Lota smack being talked here. I dont want anyone getting their feelings hurt if they loose. If Rick wins he will gloat for the entire next year :D

[Crappy days]

now greg, i always like a challenge;) no fun if i always win.

but just to show you, i still have it. we can have a friendly arm wrestling contest as long as joey doesn't find out. she doesn't want me to hurt anyone.:eek:

all i can say is looking forward to dropping you, 1 way or another:D

now as far as another west coast get together, give us some notice and we'll be glad to entertain you foreigners.

the still undefeated champ:killingme:

rick.

The winner can take on Allen Fischer, hes over 50 and will whoop both you're as:eek:es.

[Drain Medic]

The winner can take on Allen Fischer, hes over 50 and will whoop both you're as:eek:es.


Is that like the Bobby Fischer of Chess?

[Drain Medic]

Lota smack being talked here. I dont want anyone getting their feelings hurt if they loose. If Rick wins he will gloat for the entire next year :D


key words "If Rick wins" Doesnt he gloat enough already :rolleyes::D LOL

[Crappy days]

Is that like the Bobby Fischer of Chess?

Yes, world champion arm wrestler for over 25 year's.

[Drain Medic]

Ya i wouldnt have a chance at him

[Crappy days]

Ya i wouldnt have a chance at him

Just got done watching him beet a few young guys on youtube. Funny sh:eek:t watching them cry like baby's after this old guy kicks there :eek:ss.

[All Clear Sewer]

Wow and you were the one i was really worried about :D

Guess its going to be an easy victory all around for me ;)Hummmmm maybe you may want to rethink that???
Back in the late 80`s and early 90`s I was racing monster trucks. The tires are 1500lbs each. I put on my own tires when we were setting up for a show. Some times they would fall over when I would roll em off the trailer. I being not so old back then could stand em back up with no problem :D Yes I am getting older but don't think for one minute I have slacked off :D I have won a 6 hour motocross race 3 years in a row 2005, 2006,2007 This year I didn't do the race so some one else could win. I wanted to give some of them younger guys a chance to get the big one ;)

Like I said, I may be getting old but I still got it :D easy victory???? think again :nyaa-nyaa4:

BTW.... I don't know if you have noticed or not but I`m a racer in many different motor sports and I`m use to competing so you better be ON GAME :D

[DUNBAR]

Rick! Rick! Rick! RICK! (2:30< watch it!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hGD0TX3tY&feature=related)


Your talking to a former sectional man for years *me*

I feel like I'm being drawn into a light, a light that burned me, But alas! I was awoken!

A drum machine spoke to me in my sleep. It said "Steve, you will become wise one day, you learn by the way of the drum, the drum."


"The drum will save you much time, less physical labor so you can work longer hours. The drum my son will make you a better drain cleaner. Please, sit on my bucket and watch the work of the drum, for the drum is the answer."

So when I awoke from my slumber, I got up, bought a drum machine and lived life happily ever after. :nyaa-nyaa4:


If I never ran with sectionals before, you "might" have sympathy, but I've been there done that won't go back.


Something I thought about while working today;

I certainly am not driving out there, I'm going to have to buy another machine when I get there to take your money..........so I'm thinking "Can I send my machine on a plane to meet up as old pals when I get to meet you to take yer money?

Of course!

I'm even going to let you pick out the duct tape to tape my hand behind my back. :eek:



I stole this from Amy Winehouse :party-on:



"Rick tried to sell me and I ----- won't go back" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)


"cuz I said" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)


"no" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)
"no" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)
"no" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

"Don't pay me no mind," (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)
"My drum is doin' fine" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

"yo yo yo" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

"Rick tried to break my back real bad" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

"and I said" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

"No! No! No!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD5sahXoj0U)

[papadan]

Hey Josh, no smack being talked around here. These 40 something pups had better be glad this old man wont be there, hate to see grown men cry! :cool::D

[Drain Medic]

Hummmmm maybe you may want to rethink that???
Back in the late 80`s and early 90`s I was racing monster trucks. The tires are 1500lbs each. I put on my own tires when we were setting up for a show. Some times they would fall over when I would roll em off the trailer. I being not so old back then could stand em back up with no problem :D Yes I am getting older but don't think for one minute I have slacked off :D I have won a 6 hour motocross race 3 years in a row 2005, 2006,2007 This year I didn't do the race so some one else could win. I wanted to give some of them younger guys a chance to get the big one ;)

Like I said, I may be getting old but I still got it :D easy victory???? think again :nyaa-nyaa4:

BTW.... I don't know if you have noticed or not but I`m a racer in many different motor sports and I`m use to competing so you better be ON GAME :D


I dont need to rethink. Just confident thats all.

Congrats on the motocross winnings :way-to-go: unfortunetly its not going to help you in the ridgid roundup. I played football, baseball, i can probably bench 2 of you, but thats not going to do anything for me either.:rolleyes:

It will all come down to the equip, the know how and the determination.. Im sure you guys will hold your own, again unfortunetly it just wont be enough:D

But when the smoke settles, we can all have a beer together, im cool with that.

Only way to think, is that im the best and there is no doubt about it...im sure you guys think the same way

[HVAC HAWK]

boy this is getting good i'm glad you are all good friends or this could get rough
and that you are on opposite sides of the US

but when its all over you will :hug: and start with something new :eek:

[PLUMBER RICK]

We all need to remember to keep this friendly as it is okay for us to agree to disagree on how we do things. More importantly though is some do not realize Rick is a fairly new convert to sectional machines. When I joined the site 3-years ago Rick explained to me why sectional machines had their limitations. On my suggestion Rick bought (and used) a sectional machine and the rest is history. Our trucks all had sectional machines and drum machines on the truck so we could chose which ever we wanted to clean with. At the end of the day the sectionals were used 80% of the time yet 80% of the maintenance was on the drum machines.

Mark

mark, no worries, greg and i are on a constant talking basis. we are hyping the roundup to get more people involved.

but as soon as we get a handle of who's in. we'll set up a poll and see who is backing who.

based on the poll limits, we can only enter 10 names.

lets give it some time for more participants to jump in. then we will see who is backing who.

you need to tell us you're in and list your tool of choice. this way all will know what they are gambling with.

as you all know. i'm in with the k-60:wink2:

others can enter with the k-60 too. but remember it's 1 tool with asst. cables and cutters. 1 tool for 1.5''- 6''. i've stated this since day 1.

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

I'm betting Rick will bring his game with the four chrome handles which shocks the slowest player. That will hurt the loser a lot less than arm-wrestling.

Mark

[Drain Medic]

mark, no worries, greg and i are on a constant talking basis. we are hyping the roundup to get more people involved.

but as soon as we get a handle of who's in. we'll set up a poll and see who is backing who.

based on the poll limits, we can only enter 10 names.

lets give it some time for more participants to jump in. then we will see who is backing who.

you need to tell us you're in and list your tool of choice. this way all will know what they are gambling with.

as you all know. i'm in with the k-60:wink2:

others can enter with the k-60 too. but remember it's 1 tool with asst. cables and cutters. 1 tool for 1.5''- 6''. i've stated this since day 1.

rick.



What about Water Jets?

[All Clear Sewer]

Rick a real life scenario takes more then one machine and more then one tool. Thats why I have more then one DRUM MACHINE in the trailer :D

One main line machine
2 top snakes
and a 380

I have others but those are what I use every day in real life scenario`s to clear ANY Drain :nyaa-nyaa4:

Hey these are your words ----> real life scenario arnt they ;)

[mrs. westcoast]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9114/publication1jk3.jpg

[PLUMBER RICK]

I'm betting Rick will bring his game with the four chrome handles which shocks the slowest player. That will hurt the loser a lot less than arm-wrestling.

Mark


mark, you havn't seen my newest toy, a hot potato:shocked2:

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

What about Water Jets?

we all agree that the warthog is the nozzle of choice;)

but a good demo would be to put a jetter up against a snake and compare the results.

from what i remember, all clear was the only skeptic, and he now has a jetter, so there goes that theory:D


rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick a real life scenario takes more then one machine and more then one tool. Thats why I have more then one DRUM MACHINE in the trailer :D

One main line machine
2 top snakes
and a 380

I have others but those are what I use every day in real life scenario`s to clear ANY Drain :nyaa-nyaa4:

Hey these are your words ----> real life scenario arnt they ;)

true. and i use to carry a vast selection of machines too.
including the 7500, a general 1/2''x 100', 3/8''x 75', 2 jetters (1 gas, 1 electric) 3 drain guns.

but if you remember the thread, "if you can have only 1 machine, what would it be"

of course i still carry different machines. but they have been updated to

k-60 with 210' of 7/8'' asst. cable. k-50 with 120' of 5/8'', 134' of 1.25'' cable and timberwolf drill:D, k-38 w/ chuck, k-39 power feed, k-39 dual power feed. electric jetter, 6' general closet auger, and mighty plunger:eek:

since it's a 1 machine contest, choose your weapon:D

mine has always been the k-60 with 5/8'' and 7/8'' cable.

i got a feeling greg is going sectional;)

all clear, you can still go 7500 and use 5/8'' and 3/4'' if desired.

but remember, the stairs to the roof and basement.

you might get me outdoors on level ground,
but it's the stairs that will kill you:eek:

remember, my idea, my contest, my rules:D

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/9114/publication1jk3.jpg

i hope there are more players:sad:

plus, i'm more of a springer fan:eek:

remember it's "the impressionator"

greg will be muttering those words for years to come:grin-angelic:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

Hey Rick I just got done doing a 4" main line that the other guy couldnt do with a 1500. He told the H/O that the roots were to big and his machine couldnt cut em. The H/O told me that he was there for 2 1/2 hours :eek:
I was there for 1hour and ran 125` and cleared the drain :wave2:

Yes you are right "I will SMOKE YA" on the ground with a K-7500 :joyful: and I rather do main lines then 2nd lines anyway :D So If I could only have one machine it would be a main line machine :D K-7500 :wave2:

I`m off to do a big job today so have fun while I`m setting on my bucket all day watching my K-7500 work :D

[Drain Medic]

i hope there are more players:sad:

plus, i'm more of a springer fan:eek:

remember it's "the impressionator"

greg will be muttering those words for years to come:grin-angelic:

rick.


Thats right i will..... ill be saying... Remember that guy PlumberRick, he tried using that impressionator, and got beat by my Terminator!!!! :nyaa-nyaa4:

[papadan]

Hey Rick I just got done doing a 4" main line that the other guy couldnt do with a 1500. He told the H/O that the roots were to big and his machine couldnt cut em. The H/O told me that he was there for 2 1/2 hours :eek:
I was there for 1hour and ran 125` and cleared the drain :wave2:

You believe the BS of a H/O? How would they know it was a 1500!:cool::D

[Crappy days]

You believe the BS of a H/O? How would they know it was a 1500!:cool::D

I was thinking the same thing. Sounds like story telling:ignore:

[ToUtahNow]

Dunbar is coming out to Pheonix to do some research on his misters.He's considering coming out to L.A.for a get together and premier entertainment.

Are you coming Crappy?

DATES?

[HVAC HAWK]

when this all takes place it should be in the center of the united states so people can come and see it . the date should be put up a long time in advance so plans can be made .

so keep up the smack talk and hope more people will join in the challenge :ok:

[drtyhands]

DATES?I would like to know too.If I leave Melissa at home and Dunbar shows up with HIS favorite twinkee Mellie's going to be pissed.

What's the word Dunbar?

Am I being too forward:smile-us-down:

Adam

[PLUMBER RICK]

DATES?

mark, you're married. you need to bring brenda:slap:

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

mark, you're married. you need to bring brenda:slap:

rick.

I thought you said no wives on our road trip.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

You believe the BS of a H/O? How would they know it was a 1500!:cool::D

The H/O didn't tell me it was a 1500, they told me who was out there and what his machine look like " Goofy looking thing with cables in a tire that he had to put together ever so often" I know the guy and know he only has a 1500 for main lines :rolling-eyes:


BTW.... I did over 1/2 mile of 4" yesterday inside a building, How long would that take with a K-60 :nyaa-nyaa4:

[PLUMBER RICK]

The H/O didn't tell me it was a 1500, they told me who was out there and what his machine look like " Goofy looking thing with cables in a tire that he had to put together ever so often" I know the guy and know he only has a 1500 for main lines :rolling-eyes:


BTW.... I did over 1/2 mile of 4" yesterday inside a building, How long would that take with a K-60 :nyaa-nyaa4:

over 2600'. what was the longest run? that would be 26 runs at 100':lol:

i did 26 separate clean outs (months ago) inside of individual garages with some so full of junk, you would have had to leave your drum outside. done in under 6 hours first time, sight unseen. k-60 power:bravo:

next time i will have it figured out and easy access.

the homeowners were very impressed and noted the lack of a mess like the drum guys have left in prior cleanings:shocked:

it's all in the prep and knowing what to expect.

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

I thought you said no wives on our road trip.

Mark

correct. when the boys tear it up on atv's:icon_bike: or raft down the river;)

(no deliverance remarks)

but a dinner or lunch with the gang is a different story:D

rick.

[MrsSeatDown]

correct. when the boys tear it up on atv's:icon_bike: or raft down the river;)


rick.

Don't fool yourself. I just send you alone to get rid of you!:withstupid::trash-him:

[papadan]

correct. when the boys tear it up on atv's:icon_bike: or raft down the river;)

(no deliverance remarks)

but a dinner or lunch with the gang is a different story:D

rick.
Dammit Rick, you are a party pooper!:cool::D

[DuckButter]

Don't fool yourself. I just send you alone to get rid of you!:withstupid::trash-him:
The mrs gave me the tentative ok...I think I get it.

[ToUtahNow]

correct. when the boys tear it up on atv's:icon_bike: or raft down the river;)

(no deliverance remarks)

but a dinner or lunch with the gang is a different story:D

rick.

I was actually up at my place in Utah this last weekend. The snow was a little too high for ATVs and the river a little too low for rafts but we will have to plan a trip this summer to do both.

Mark

[mrs. westcoast]

correct. when the boys tear it up on atv's:icon_bike: or raft down the river;)

(no deliverance remarks)

but a dinner or lunch with the gang is a different story:D And it is on me!!! Wow I already know what I wil have

rick.


I ll notify Greg you are treating us all with dinner.

Thanks buddy. You are a good friend

[All Clear Sewer]

over 2600'. what was the longest run? that would be 26 runs at 100':lol:

i did 26 separate clean outs (months ago) inside of individual garages with some so full of junk, you would have had to leave your drum outside. done in under 6 hours first time, sight unseen. k-60 power:bravo:

next time i will have it figured out and easy access.

the homeowners were very impressed and noted the lack of a mess like the drum guys have left in prior cleanings:shocked:

it's all in the prep and knowing what to expect.

rick.

Rick
This was a pizza plant with machines everywhere.C/O`s under machines, floor drains under machines that were only 4 to 8" off the ground, C/O`s 4` off the ground along walls. My longest runs was around 185` and it was a line that was full of butter.
Talk about "NO MESS" do you think they would have let me fling crap on the food machines :D
The K-7500 was spotless and never flung one drop. It was so clean it was safe to lick the cable if you wanted.:barf:
My seasnake was as well as we had to use it to see the 2X4 I had to cut up that was blocking a line in the shipping side of the plant.
I don't think the K-7500 has ever been this clean before, I hated to take it back out to the sewers today.
Rick When you do this kind of work do you charge by the hr, feet, job or time it takes you?

I figured it took me 1/2 hr per run to clean the line and move to the next line. ((Except the 2X4 took 2.5 hr`s as it was a Oak pallet 2X4 that broke off a pallet.)) My helper broke a new 100` 3/4 IC cable....errrrrrrrrrrrrr
(Note to Self) Never leave your new helper even if you think he`s got it..... :smack-head: :mad:

[Service Guy]

:confused:I am pretty much ready to buy a K60...and now allclear sewer keeps raving about the Bigboy K7500 drum-monster. Hmmm, got me thinking.

K60 positives: small, light-weight, less cable problems, versatile for many applications.
K60 negatives: slower to setup and assemble, can be messier.

K7500 positves: quick, clean, does all the work for you!
K7500 negatives: HEAVY AS HELL!!!!

The fact that the 7500 is so heavy is huge negative in my book. Many homes around here are older and don't have easy access to cleanouts.

I still like the K60 for these reasons.

[All Clear Sewer]

you can buy 25` cables for the K-7500 and kick the crap out of a K-60 in a basement job. OOOOOOpppssssss did I let the cat out of da bag :smack-head:

[Service Guy]

you can buy 25` cables for the K-7500 and kick the crap out of a K-60 in a basement job. OOOOOOpppssssss did I let the cat out of da bag :smack-head:

To be fair, the main thing holding me back from the K60 is the fact that they are messier. I know guys use tricks like the guide hose, canvas dropclothes and such, but the 7500 just rolls in, works and rolls out....no mess!

[All Clear Sewer]

yep but the K-60 still has it`s place. I think??? I just havent need it that bad yet ;) I like the speed and the no mess and the power I get from the K-7500.
We just broke a NEW 3/4 I/C cable yesterday. I dont know how much power that takes but I`m sure the K-60 aint got it ;)

[ToUtahNow]

:confused:I am pretty much ready to buy a K60...and now allclear sewer keeps raving about the Bigboy K7500 drum-monster. Hmmm, got me thinking.

K60 positives: small, light-weight, less cable problems, versatile for many applications.
K60 negatives: slower to setup and assemble, can be messier.

K7500 positves: quick, clean, does all the work for you!
K7500 negatives: HEAVY AS HELL!!!!

The fact that the 7500 is so heavy is huge negative in my book. Many homes around here are older and don't have easy access to cleanouts.

I still like the K60 for these reasons.

You will not understand the advantages of the K-60 until you really use it. Keep in mind there are members on this site who own the larger Ridgid drum machines yet use their K-60s. I believe you need both but I almost always grabbed my sectional before my drum machine.

Mark

[Service Guy]

You will not understand the advantages of the K-60 until you really use it. Keep in mind there are members on this site who own the larger Ridgid drum machines yet use their K-60s. I believe you need both but I almost always grabbed my sectional before my drum machine.

Mark

I have used it many, many times. It was a few years ago though. I liked it a lot, just thought they were messier and slower. However, I had been using a big, ridgid drum machine at my last job and hated it. To easy to break cables, too heavy going up-stairs.
I am really, really close to buying a K60, just want to make sure thats what i need right now.

[All Clear Sewer]

What lines do you do the most???

[Service Guy]

What lines do you do the most???

I need a versatile machine for 4" sewer laterals. Something that will cut roots, but thats versatile. I often have to pull toilets or go in basements or even on roof vents (rarely). A lot of people around here have old houses with no outside cleanouts.

Btw this forum ROCKS!! You guys are helping me with very important business decisions that 99.99% of people have no clue about.
:clapping:

[All Clear Sewer]

If you dont have out-side C/O then by all means go with a K-60. It will take longer as the mess and putting cables together but you will still be able to get the job done with out trying to figure out how you can clear it with a Terminator Machine

The Key to making money is to sell em C/O`s ;)

Hook up with a master plumber and life will be good :D

[Service Guy]

If you dont have out-side C/O then by all means go with a K-60. It will take longer as the mess and putting cables together but you will still be able to get the job done with out trying to figure out how you can clear it with a Terminator Machine

Thanks Terminator.:D If I were a super sewer-rat like you, I would buy both. But for a littel old repair plumber like me (who only get stoppage calls here and there)....the K60 fits. I am a master plumber. The key to selling C/Os is a see-snake and locator....much easier too estimate. Gosh, this business is EXPENSIVE!

[gear junkie]

yep but the K-60 still has it`s place. I think??? I just havent need it that bad yet ;) I like the speed and the no mess and the power I get from the K-7500.
We just broke a NEW 3/4 I/C cable yesterday. I dont know how much power that takes but I`m sure the K-60 aint got it ;)

Let's see k60-1/2 hp and pulls 7 amps. Induction motor
k7500- 4/10 hp and draws 6 amps. universal motor

I think it has plenty of power.

[All Clear Sewer]

you don't need the seasnake to sale C/Os just a sewer machine. The seasnake will make you rich doing repairs and or replacements!

My tools make me money and for that I LOVE EM :D

[All Clear Sewer]

Let's see k60-1/2 hp and pulls 7 amps. Induction motor
k7500- 4/10 hp and draws 6 amps. universal motor

I think it has plenty of power.

I`ll send you a chunck of my new 3/4 I/C cable and I want to see you brake it ;)

BTW the K-7500 is GEAR DRIVEN ;)

[gear junkie]

BTW the K-7500 is GEAR DRIVEN ;)
Hey, don't speak to me with common sense, I don't want to hear it.:D

[All Clear Sewer]

ROTFLMAO......

Try to run 250` with a K-60 :D

Oh and take a Video :clapping:

[gear junkie]

To be fair, the main thing holding me back from the K60 is the fact that they are messier. I know guys use tricks like the guide hose, canvas dropclothes and such, but the 7500 just rolls in, works and rolls out....no mess!
I feel the opposite. Every time I use my 3800 after about 10 mins, I have the sewage water in the drum and it starts to fling out in fat drops. Not so with the k60, just personal opinion.

[Drain Medic]

If you dont have out-side C/O then by all means go with a K-60. It will take longer as the mess and putting cables together but you will still be able to get the job done with out trying to figure out how you can clear it with a Terminator Machine

The Key to making money is to sell em C/O`s ;)

Hook up with a master plumber and life will be good :D


The key to making money is doing a good job. Building trust with your customers, and carrying the best equipment. Intelligence, Integrity, Honesty. I rarely sell cleanouts, but then its my job to fix the line without digging. I go to digging as a last resort...sometimes you dont have a choice, i understand that.

[All Clear Sewer]

and to do a good job you need a good C/O where you can get a good push on your cable and bring back the BIG root ball ;) It all goes hand in hand :D

[Drain Medic]

True enough. Need somewhere to put the Warthog and pulverize those roots

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick When you do this kind of work do you charge by the hr, feet, job or time it takes you?

:smack-head: :mad:

all clear, on a job like this, i would have to charge by the hour just to get a feel for it. on a return visit, i can look at my past time and if they wanted a price, i could generate a price from past track record.

why wouldn't they let you jet the lines? especially with all the butter?

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

I told em I wanted to but they have a small jetter and don't think they work. ( I remember those days ;)

I`m gonna talk em in to letting me jet the food lines and cable the other lines that we got wood and plastic out of.

The only problem with jetting the lines is going up combos....errrrrrr
Have to cable down line and tie a rope on and pull the jetter up line to back jet.

[PLUMBER RICK]

I ll notify Greg you are treating us all with dinner.

Thanks buddy. You are a good friend


zeljak, the quote you doctored is off.

"And it's on me"

remember, i don't capitalize. you need to lower case the "A" in and;)

pretty good, but i like marks idea better. and i'm a little worried about papadans intents:kma::eek:.

rick.

[gear junkie]

Why not use a mouse and a shop vac to suck your rope through?

[All Clear Sewer]

Ummmmmmmm I`m lost gear junkie :shrug:

That was a Joke, right?

[DUNBAR]

I'm printing this thread out



all of it.

[gear junkie]

No, being serious.

[Josh]

im lost. is mouse a plumbers term for something. if not I am calling PETA.

[DuckButter]

Why not use a mouse and a shop vac to suck your rope through?
Aren't there animal cruelty laws?

[DuckButter]

Dammit, he beat me to the punch...

[All Clear Sewer]

lol
no it would work if you plug off the vent :grin-devilish:

[All Clear Sewer]

I'm printing this thread out



all of it.

may I ask???
What are you gonna do with the print? :smile2:

[PLUMBER RICK]

im lost. is mouse a plumbers term for something. if not I am calling PETA.

a mouse / piston is a foam ball typically used by electricians to fish or blow line.

josh, isn't it someones birthday today?

rick.

[Josh]

Yeah.. we are celebrating her birthday today since I had school last night :o

a mouse / piston is a foam ball typically used by electricians to fish or blow line.

josh, isn't it someones birthday today?

rick.