crazy employee.

[aero1]

fired what i thought was a good tech, word got back to me he was not only selling plumbing but was also trying to sell drugs from the van, of course he denied this when confronted, so i told him to get out or get thrown out, so iam going thru his truck and what do i find, the guy, used a 1/2 galv nipple and some screen to make a home made crack pipe. what the hell is wrong with people today as an employer not only is he an idiot but jeopardizes my name and company. look like co wide drug testing is in the works. this ever happen to any of you owners out there. shame when trust in your team is compromised by one fool.{that you know of} :mad:

[Drain Medic]

fired what i thought was a good tech, word got back to me he was not only selling plumbing but was also trying to sell drugs from the van, of course he denied this when confronted, so i told him to get out or get thrown out, so iam going thru his truck and what do i find, the guy, used a 1/2 galv nipple and some screen to make a home made crack pipe. what the hell is wrong with people today as an employer not only is he an idiot but jeopardizes my name and company. look like co wide drug testing is in the works. this ever happen to any of you owners out there. shame when trust in your team is compromise by one fool.{that you know of} :mad:


Allthough trust is a big thing with employees, you said it right. Its your name and company. Mandatory drug testing should be done with any company. When i really start hiring people, i plan to do a full background check, drug testing. Then drug testing would be done monthly or bimonthly whichever.

I know you want to trust your employees, you need to uphold your standards. Afterall, you dont want these employees killing someone on your time whether by car accident because he is drunk or stoned, or by selling drugs to kids.

Good job getting rid of him.

[Service Guy]

We had one of these at my first job. He would occasionally come to work very late and sometimes asked for pay advances. The boss knew he was a drunk but had a soft-spot for him as he was a recovered alcoholic himself. They finally fired him when they caught him stealing from the company. Turns out he was on crack. They didn't need drug-testing imo, they just needed to fire him as soon as he started coming in late and showing other warning signs.
I only worked at one company that did drug-testing and I thought it was a slap in the face, like they didn't trust us. They also had GPS in every van so we wouldn't do side-jobs and stuff like that. One time I parked my van downtown to meet my wife for her birthday...I was on call. The next Monday my boss asked me what I was doing there and acted like I was doing side-work downtown!:banghead:

I personally think those types of policies make employees angry and convey a lack of trust, but I can understand that it can be scary to trust employees at the same time. I have decided to keep my business small so I don't have to ever deal with those difficult issues.

[HVAC HAWK]

at the place i work for we have a reputation of having good people working here .i'm not agreeing with this but if you come in for a job and you have long hair ,a lot of tattoos showing , piercings and for men earrings do not have a chance in getting a job .
i dont judge people like this but the people that want us to fix there things do not want people with this stuff coming in to there office .in our instlation dept we are the only ones on the job site with a full uniforms on and our trucks look the best maintained .

so we never had any one get fired for drugs or steeling ,the boss did worn some one for dumpster diving when he was on a service call .:rolling-eyes:

[FINER9998]

speaking as an employer, all our companies require drug testing. all delivery and service vehicles have gps. additionaly, we employ other monitoring devces. this has nothing to do with trust. these are businesses. my employees work for me, they are not my friends. my drivers and other service personnel make between 60 & 90K, plus benefits. employees are all paid above market rates. while that's not huge money, its not bad for high school grads with no technical training. i believe you get what you pay for where people are concerned. but you have to be sure not to employ problem employees. drug testing and credit checks are just today's way of doing that.

[HVAC HAWK]

speaking as an employer, all our companies require drug testing. all delivery and service vehicles have gps. additionaly, we employ other monitoring devces. this has nothing to do with trust. these are businesses. my employees work for me, they are not my friends. my drivers and other service personnel make between 60 & 90K, plus benefits. employees are all paid above market rates. while that's not huge money, its not bad for high school grads with no technical training. i believe you get what you pay for where people are concerned. but you have to be sure not to employ problem employees. drug testing and credit checks are just today's way of doing that.

we dont have all that stuff we are still small town and people know people so things get around

and what type of work are you in and where is it

[Service Guy]

speaking as an employer, all our companies require drug testing. all delivery and service vehicles have gps. additionaly, we employ other monitoring devces. this has nothing to do with trust. these are businesses. my employees work for me, they are not my friends. my drivers and other service personnel make between 60 & 90K, plus benefits. employees are all paid above market rates. while that's not huge money, its not bad for high school grads with no technical training. i believe you get what you pay for where people are concerned. but you have to be sure not to employ problem employees. drug testing and credit checks are just today's way of doing that.

You sound like my former employer.:D Seriously though, I understand where you are coming from. Honestly if I ran a large company I would probably have to implement these things also.

[rombo]

So all you guys are telling me than you would can a guy for smoking a joint. I can see crack heads but what someone does on there own time is there own business.

And a credit check?

[gear junkie]

So all you guys are telling me than you would can a guy for smoking a joint. I can see crack heads but what someone does on there own time is there own business.

And a credit check?
I would go on a case by case basis but I can tell you drugs don't just affect you "on your own time". I'm including alcohol in this group. Many drug users start to develop a state of dependence where they constantly need to be high all the time. Never seen it any other way and I'm including myself in this category. Come to work stoned and you endanger yourself, other people and customers. I will say I'm hypocritical in this situation because I think drugs should be legalized but every employeer has the right to hire and fire who they want.

[haycad]

i used to work with guys that would smoke weed on there lunch break after that some were useless and some worked better. thats not as much the problem as if they were stoned and hit some kid on a bike in a van with your name on the side of it. i will drug test when i get an employees and can any of them that had a problem with it

[plumberscrack]

Drug and alcohol testing is a slippery slope to be on

If you are just starting out and can screen employees as they join, that's fine

But if we performed a piss test on every employee Monday morning, close to half would fail.

So what do you do? fire all of them on the spot?....you just can't do that to your business

Provide them with drug and alcohol counciling and retest in 6 months? then fire those that fail? What if it's your best employees?

I'm pretty sure we don't have any crack addicts, they are easy to spot. Your best tools sprout legs whenever he's around

I think our current policy is: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Every so often a customer will call in complaining about a bill. As ammunition, they say something like: ...he took too long and his breath smelled like beer!

If that comment keeps coming back on the same employee there might be a problem

Back in the day the old timers I worked with would get a 12 pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon at 8 am. Didn't have to be cold either. By 2 o'clock he's done with it and totally worthless.

During lunch I may have found a joint to smoke :o Hey it was the eighties man, everyone was doing it

[FINER9998]

HVAC HAWK...i am in the westchester county, 20 mins north of NYC. i own a few small businesses( fin'l svcs counseling, fire restoration, dry cleaning, financial managment consulting and MIS development and implementation).

rombo...we do not test for alchohol but drug testing and a credit check are mandatory. the credit check goes to an applicants' judgement and attitude towards responsibility. i have hired individuals with bad credit, but they had verifiable situations that were not attributable to being irresponsible. in fact, some of those candidates worked out exceptionaly well. drug testing is another matter. only twice have i hired a positive test. they were properly administered prescription drugs. you want to toke on a joint, you can; but there are consequences. life is a series of choices. some choices have consequences that continue to affect you even years later.

[alcooner]

Hey put me in COACH, I don't smoke or drink!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :happydance:

man I would love to get a chance at 80-90k a year with benefits, like some of these jobs above. I work my A$$ off around here for 25k. This is the south though, high rollers are few and far between.

[Drain Medic]

Drug and alcohol testing is a slippery slope to be on

If you are just starting out and can screen employees as they join, that's fine

But if we performed a piss test on every employee Monday morning, close to half would fail.

So what do you do? fire all of them on the spot?....you just can't do that to your business

Provide them with drug and alcohol counciling and retest in 6 months? then fire those that fail? What if it's your best employees?

I'm pretty sure we don't have any crack addicts, they are easy to spot. Your best tools sprout legs whenever he's around

I think our current policy is: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Every so often a customer will call in complaining about a bill. As ammunition, they say something like: ...he took too long and his breath smelled like beer!

If that comment keeps coming back on the same employee there might be a problem

Back in the day the old timers I worked with would get a 12 pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon at 8 am. Didn't have to be cold either. By 2 o'clock he's done with it and totally worthless.

During lunch I may have found a joint to smoke :o Hey it was the eighties man, everyone was doing it

Bottom line is, you fail, your fired. I dont care if its on your time, or my time, your gone. Thats all i need is for one of those guys to crash my truck with a baby in the other car. My be an innicent accident, but if he had to give a blood test due to commercial vehicle accident, and he fails, he is in my truck. No expections. I work to hard on my business for someone who "smokes" on their own time to screw it up for me. I have zero tolerance for that.

[rooter-mania]

It's happened to me, years ago I ran two service vehicles w/ 2 full time
employees # 1, #2.....

# 1 stole from me,.. How I found out was he did a service call in which I thought was a main drain clog ( I answered the call ) he returns to the shop at the end of the day with the days receipts, I go over them with him ( my policy at the time) and he tells me that service call was some kind of plumbing issue other than a clogged drain (no charge) O. K..... My invoices
warranty the work for drains for 30 days... I work the weekends ( gave them the weekends off ) Receive a call from that customer saying there drain was still backing up... go to house and , they paid him cash no invoice,.. fired on the spot via phone,... come in to pick up your pay Monday ( my other policy at the time as a way for them to show up after the weekend) ..... never showed up and if he did I would of kicked his arse.

# 2 nice kid well liked by my customers, easy going, dropped the truck off on a Friday,... I went on a service a call the next morning,.. upon entering the truck I see a bag of pot that must of fell out of where ever he had it.... that Monday morning when he showed up ,.... showed him the bag and
dumped it's contents right down the john,... paid him and told him to look for another job.


Thats when I decided to go it alone ( don't need the hassle) theres a lot of us on this forum that have worked our ares's off for years to get our good name out there, me included....and my opinion can be destroyed in no time with bad employees.

As a side note....if I where to hire anybody else I would have also drug test, background check and if I might ad a copy of there driving record.

[Drain Medic]

It's happened to me, years ago I ran two service vehicles w/ 2 full time
employees # 1, #2.....

# 1 stole from me,.. How I found out was he did a service call in which I thought was a main drain clog ( I answered the call ) he returns to the shop at the end of the day with the days receipts, I go over them with him ( my policy at the time) and he tells me that service call was some kind of plumbing issue other than a clogged drain (no charge) O. K..... My invoices
warranty the work for drains for 30 days... I work the weekends ( gave them the weekends off ) Receive a call from that customer saying there drain was still backing up... go to house and , they paid him cash no invoice,.. fired on the spot via phone,... come in to pick up your pay Monday ( my other policy at the time as a way for them to show up after the weekend) ..... never showed up and if he did I would of kicked his arse.

# 2 nice kid well liked by my customers, easy going, dropped the truck off on a Friday,... I went on a service a call the next morning,.. upon entering the truck I see a bag of pot that must of fell out of where ever he had it.... that Monday morning when he showed up ,.... showed him the bag and
dumped it's contents right down the john,... paid him and told him to look for another job.


Thats when I decided to go it alone ( don't need the hassle) theres a lot of us on this forum that have worked our ares's off for years to get our good name out there, me included....and my opinion can be destroyed in no time with bad employees.

As a side note....if I where to hire anybody else I would have also drug test, background check and if I might ad a copy of there driving record.


Policies are great. Im in the middle of writing my policies book right now. At will employement. 6 month probation period. Drug test, background check before employeement.

[rooter-mania]

Policies are great. Im in the middle of writing my policies book right now. At will employement. 6 month probation period. Drug test, background check before employeement. Drain Medic,.. that was back then.... my form of a gps system back then was to have the trucks at the shop,... overnight,... not take them home,... things have changed since then... good luck on your policies... It's what you feel the best way to forge ahead.


Regards,

Scott

[Drain Medic]

Drain Medic,.. that was back then.... my form of a gps system back then was to have the trucks at the shop,... overnight,... not take them home,... things have changed since then... good luck on your policies... It's what you feel the best way to forge ahead.


Regards,

Scott


Well put it this way. If its not written, its not real

[rooter-mania]

Well put it this way. If its not written, its not real

I agree, meeting of the minds, reduced to writing, signed by both parties, but if I where to add anything,.... reserve a space where the other party has to hand print his or her name ;)

Gee, I'm starting to sound like a lawyer in which I can't stand. :D

was going to sign up for the round-up... sounds like a blast... but have to be a best man at my brother's wedding that weekend, hope Cupid's arrow stays in him this time,... and I hoped I didn't give away was his employ is. :D

[DuckButter]

The worst habits I have are smoking (cigs) & coffee (by the gallon).
One of the last shops I worked for had a problem, just about everyone that worked there smoked weed.
I don't mind hanging with someone thats stoned, but to work with them is another matter altogether.
Nothing so fun as an apprentice that comes back from lunch sporting all the zeal of a catatonic mental patient when you'd just talked to the boss on the nextel and promised you could have the job done that day.

I finally requested to work alone at that shop..I am not trying to brag, but I got more done alone than any two man team there.

The only reason this was the case is because they were all stoned, that simple.
It didn't go over well socially, but I was sick of slaving to make up for some kid who couldn't leave the bowl at home...it wasn't fair and it was taking it's toll on me physically.

That shop was where I first started seriously tossing the idea of self employment around, I guess I owe them in a strange way for motivating me.

[rombo]

I fully understand you what a few of you are saying about being stoned or even drunk on the job. But after hours i think i totally diffrent.

Also all of you are from the us, up in canada everything is more layed back i guess. I only drink but have friends in the trade that like to puff the odd dubbie on there own time and are 100% come monday morning. They get there work done and there is never a chance off crashing the work truck stoned because work is work.

Credit checks, background checks? I have gotten hired at the most reputable company in town with just an interview, didn't even have to supply a resume. I find usually a 10 minute talk with someone tells alot more about character than any report or test.


Just my opinion!!!!

[cpw]

The worst habits I have are smoking (cigs) & coffee (by the gallon).

From a homeowner's perspective, I wanted to echo emphatic agreement with this. I bet it reduces the # of referals and repeat business, because people who reek of cigarette smoke aren't as pleasant to have around in your house. Also if they throw their butts into your customer's driveways that will get me POed.

[HVAC HAWK]

From a homeowner's perspective, I wanted to echo emphatic agreement with this. I bet it reduces the # of referals and repeat business, because people who reek of cigarette smoke aren't as pleasant to have around in your house. Also if they throw their butts into your customer's driveways that will get me POed.

thats not as bad as stepping in chew spit all day

[cpw]

thats not as bad as stepping in chew spit all day
May not be, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone with chewing tobacco where I live.

[Drain Medic]

I fully understand you what a few of you are saying about being stoned or even drunk on the job. But after hours i think i totally diffrent.

Also all of you are from the us, up in canada everything is more layed back i guess. I only drink but have friends in the trade that like to puff the odd dubbie on there own time and are 100% come monday morning. They get there work done and there is never a chance off crashing the work truck stoned because work is work.

Credit checks, background checks? I have gotten hired at the most reputable company in town with just an interview, didn't even have to supply a resume. I find usually a 10 minute talk with someone tells alot more about character than any report or test.


Just my opinion!!!!


Ok, so what if they get hurt on the job. Soldering they burn down someones house. Snaking a line they get caught up in a snake. Didnt connect a vent pipe the right way. Homeowner gets caught, then tells the insurance company that the guy that was there seemed real tired, and had red eyes. I know anyone can get hurt and all of those scenarios can happen if your the straightest person on earth, but im still not willing to take those risks....i dont care if its on their time or not, working for me isnt the right place for you if you want to do that stuff.

[Bob D.]

Drug and alcohol testing is a slippery slope to be on

If you are just starting out and can screen employees as they join, that's fine

But if we performed a piss test on every employee Monday morning, close to half would fail.

So what do you do? fire all of them on the spot?....you just can't do that to your business

Provide them with drug and alcohol counciling and retest in 6 months? then fire those that fail? What if it's your best employees?

I'm pretty sure we don't have any crack addicts, they are easy to spot. Your best tools sprout legs whenever he's around

I think our current policy is: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

Every so often a customer will call in complaining about a bill. As ammunition, they say something like: ...he took too long and his breath smelled like beer!

If that comment keeps coming back on the same employee there might be a problem

Back in the day the old timers I worked with would get a 12 pack of Pabst Blue Ribbon at 8 am. Didn't have to be cold either. By 2 o'clock he's done with it and totally worthless.

During lunch I may have found a joint to smoke :o Hey it was the eighties man, everyone was doing it


Test them when first hired and annually thereafter.

Perform random spot checks during the year sampling roughly 10% of the work force.

Testing is optional, but a refusal is grounds for termination and during the hiring phase refusal will disqualify you automatically.

Offer counselling to those who test positive. Continued employment is dependant upon monthly monitoring and sticking with the counselling sessions.

[Tyman]

I worked for one employer that decided he was going to test everyone unannounced. He marched us all over to the clinic and had us drug tested. Weeks pasted by an nobody heard anything. Finally, I asked him how the drug test came out. He looked at me with a downtrodden face and said "So many people tested positive I can't do anything about it.".

I worked for another employer that did hair follicle testing, criminal background check, credit check, psychological testing and a polygraph. It didn't catch the raging alcoholics though. The employees were more level headed though.

Having employees that do drugs and those who don't do drugs is like oil and water. Neither will be comfortable with the other. Other problems will develop.

My biggest problem with coworkers that abuse alcohol and do drugs is the amount of work they miss. They think their problem only affects them.

[DuckButter]

From a homeowner's perspective, I wanted to echo emphatic agreement with this. I bet it reduces the # of referals and repeat business, because people who reek of cigarette smoke aren't as pleasant to have around in your house. Also if they throw their butts into your customer's driveways that will get me POed.

The point of this thread was regarding the use of drugs on the job, I imagine the smell of a freshly smoked joint is less appealing, or the sight of some kid who's jaw is chewing some imaginary gum while he talks a mile a minute and can't seem to sit still might just possibly be less appealing as well.
I make a living from repeat/referral business.
You might be surpirised to learn that the world as a whole is as disgusted with imperfection as you are.

If the faint smell of my last cigarette disgusts you, I can't imagine how displeased the smell of soldering would be, the smell of pipe dope, or the smell of PVC solvent

Next step in the politically correct course of events is to screen all workers entering your home for whether they eat red meat, it's unhealthy and undesireable...you shouldn't allow those people in your home.

In my work, I encounter steriotypes daily, I've come to learn that when certain customers have high expectations...they almost always have low expectations on price.

As for drugs, I don't care in the least what you do on your time...I'll even hang with you if your cool.
If you do it on my time, go home...my experience has shown me a job with an extra body that doesn't have all his faculties only makes it harder than working alone because I have to worry about what you've screwed up on top of doing my own job.

[DuckButter]

Having employees that do drugs and those who don't do drugs is like oil and water. Neither will be comfortable with the other. Other problems will develop.

My biggest problem with coworkers that abuse alcohol and do drugs is the amount of work they miss. They think their problem only affects them.

I posted above about working at a shop where I was about the only person the wouldn't smoke weed on the job, nevermind on my own time.
You are 100% CORRECT, there is no way to avoid the paranoia that becomes held against you when you know they do and they know you don't.
In time, it affected what my boss was told, it created alot of animousity & scrutiny towards me.
The foreman viewed smoking a doobie like old school "having a drink with the boss at lunch"...if you didn't smoke, bridges were automatically burnt.

I tried to explain to the owner that "I didn't fit in" without ratting out the guys, and maybe should move on, he offered me a raise to stay, so I stayed.

A few months later I went to his office, dropped his truck keys on his desk along with the company Amex card and wrote a letter to apologize, that it was too hard to try to explain why I was leaving.
I shouldn't have accepted that raise, it made me look ungrateful in the end, but I couldn't tell him the real reason I was leaving.

It was completely unrealistic for me to continue thinking I could ever fit in with that shop, sad part is I liked working there...they treated me very well, all things considered.

[ToUtahNow]

If the faint smell of my last cigarette disgusts you, I can't imagine how displeased the smell of soldering would be, the smell of pipe dope, or the smell of PVC solvent




There in lies the problem as it is only faint to the smoker who has lost his ability to smell.

Mark

[gear junkie]

Mark/Duck, you can hang with me at the roundup. I won't ostrasize you because you're a smoker. I was once one too.

[ToUtahNow]

Mark/Duck, you can hang with me at the roundup. I won't ostrasize you because you're a smoker. I was once one too.

I did as well for better than 20-years. I am not dogging on Duck but the truth is I never realized how much smokers smelled like smoke until I got my sense of smell back.

Mark

[Gene Bickford]

This is kind of a long(but fairly interesting) article about drug testing sewer systems.
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-02/your-sewer-drugs

[westcoastplumber]

Duckmaster flux, you can hang with us too, I will smoke without really smoking:cool:

other people stinking of smoke does not bother me, but I tell you what, I notice it...I never used too, but now I do! yummy.....lol...kidding

[plumbdog10]

Just some thoughts on drugs and drug testing:

The dirty secret of the western US is the devastating effect meth has had on the skilled trades, particularly construction. Over the past couple of years I have seen plumbers hired and fired at an alarming rate. This is particularly true of white 25-35 year olds.

The scary part is that many of these plumbers are skilled and experienced. At some point their addiction became so overwhelming that they have become useless in the trade.

My best plumbers on my last project were Mexican immigrants (legal residents, working on citizenship). I could count on them to show up every day on time, install plumbing with pride, and continue to learn.

After laying off the third American since beginning the project (we were about 9 months into it), I drove home thinking: What's happened to the next generation of plumbers? The company I worked for paid very competitive wages, provided good benifits, kept a large crew working all the time, and yet we have to depend on immigrants for dependable workers.

All that said, I'm against drug testing. I think it is unfair and an invasion of privacy. It is unfair because it will detect a plumber who smoked a joint on Saturday night two weeks ago, but will allow a meth addict who lays off for a couple of days.

What frequently happens is the tweaker you are about to hire has hit rock bottom. He's out of money, and has pending court cases, at which he wants to show he is fully employed. Therefore he is clean and will pass any test you give him. Things do not begin to unravel until about two weeks later when he is paid.

The key is to learn to read through their lies, which isn't hard because they all have the same story.

1) "I lost my wallet the other day, so I'm working on getting a replacement driver's license and ss card." Translation: License Suspended, Wages are being garnished so they are using a bogus SS number.

2) "All my tools were stolen, but I borrowed some of my brothers to get started. As soon as I get paid I'll set myself up." Translation: Tools were sold/pawned, Will steal what he needs from the crew.

3) "On Thursday my child needs to go into the hospital for tests." He has a court date.

By week two he is showing up late, calling in sick, borrowing money from the crew for lunch,
and asking for an advance on his wages.


If the above is true, you have a tweaker for an employee.

[Drain Medic]

Just some thoughts on drugs and drug testing:

The dirty secret of the western US is the devastating effect meth has had on the skilled trades, particularly construction. Over the past couple of years I have seen plumbers hired and fired at an alarming rate. This is particularly true of white 25-35 year olds.

The scary part is that many of these plumbers are skilled and experienced. At some point their addiction became so overwhelming that they have become useless in the trade.

My best plumbers on my last project were Mexican immigrants (legal residents, working on citizenship). I could count on them to show up every day on time, install plumbing with pride, and continue to learn.

After laying off the third American since beginning the project (we were about 9 months into it), I drove home thinking: What's happened to the next generation of plumbers? The company I worked for paid very competitive wages, provided good benifits, kept a large crew working all the time, and yet we have to depend on immigrants for dependable workers.

All that said, I'm against drug testing. I think it is unfair and an invasion of privacy. It is unfair because it will detect a plumber who smoked a joint on Saturday night two weeks ago, but will allow a meth addict who lays off for a couple of days.

What frequently happens is the tweaker you are about to hire has hit rock bottom. He's out of money, and has pending court cases, at which he wants to show he is fully employed. Therefore he is clean and will pass any test you give him. Things do not begin to unravel until about two weeks later when he is paid.

The key is to learn to read through their lies, which isn't hard because they all have the same story.

1) "I lost my wallet the other day, so I'm working on getting a replacement driver's license and ss card." Translation: License Suspended, Wages are being garnished so they are using a bogus SS number.

2) "All my tools were stolen, but I borrowed some of my brothers to get started. As soon as I get paid I'll set myself up." Translation: Tools were sold/pawned, Will steal what he needs from the crew.

3) "On Thursday my child needs to go into the hospital for tests." He has a court date.

By week two he is showing up late, calling in sick, borrowing money from the crew for lunch,
and asking for an advance on his wages.


If the above is true, you have a tweaker for an employee.


Great post, this is exactly how i feel. That is why i dont care if you do it on your time or not, i dont want you working for me if you do it. Doesnt that person is a bad guy. I just dont need the drama that comes with it.

[markts30]

Having seen first hand the results of someone smoking on their 'time off', I would have to say that if I were running a business I would have a "zero tolerance policy" for drug abuse...
Prior to getting into plumbing I spent 12 years working as a corrections officer and saw literally hunderds of people throw their lives away for drugs...

[westcoastplumber]

Drugs are very bad.