Which Zurn PEX crimp ring to use?

[mheriot]

The salesman (I use the term loosely) at my local home center said that the smooth copper crimp rings,
http://www.plumbersurplus.com/images/prod/2/Zurn-QCR3X-rw-48996-13150.jpg (http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Zurn-PEX-QCR3X-Crimp-Ring-1-2/48996/Cat/22)

are junk and that the QuikCrimp rings

http://www.plumbersurplus.com/images/prod/2/Zurn-QCLP3X-rw-49054-17088.JPG (http://www.plumbersurplus.com/Prod/Zurn-PEX-QCLP3X-1-2-QickClamp-Crimp-Ring/49054/Cat/22)
are much better.

I have never used either, any comments or suggestions?

[NHMaster3015]

They're both junk, go with Wirsbo

[mheriot]

Ok good to know, but if I was going to use one or the other which would you recommend. Let's pretend that there is nothing else available to me.

[All Clear Sewer]

I use these http://www.plumbersurplus.com/images/prod/2/Zurn-QCR3X-rw-48996-13150.jpg

I dont think the other ring gives you 360 crimp

[NHMaster3015]

Ok good to know, but if I was going to use one or the other which would you recommend. Let's pretend that there is nothing else available to me.

Then go with copper pipe

[mheriot]

Thanks All Clear, that is what I was planning on using because that is the only crimp tool that The Depot rents.

Thanks for nothing NHMaster.

[NHMaster3015]

Thanks All Clear, that is what I was planning on using because that is the only crimp tool that The Depot rents.

Thanks for nothing NHMaster.

I will put you on my list of I told you so's

[NHMaster3015]

Yet another home owner that's only happy when he hears what he wants to... Imagine that.

[Service Guy]

I use copper crimp rings for zurn. Never had a single problem. I don't agree with NHmaster at all.

[JCsPlumbing]

Just what I heard but... I heard there is litigation pending with the Zurn PEX system. Might want to steer clear of it.

[NHMaster3015]

I'm not trying to be a ***tard here. All you guy's using crimp pex really really need to spend some time on the net and research the products. I could go on for a page or two here but it's all out there if you just look, and I don't feel like re-inventing the wheel tonight. Never let your local supply house or some product salesman talk you into something before you thouroughly check it out.

[rombo]

go worsbro :)

[Service Guy]

Like I said, I have never once had a single problem with it.
Of course if I start getting calls about leaks in pex I installed, I'll rethink it. Been installing it for years without any issues so far.

[haycad]

ya know wirsbo is not rated against chlorine

[mheriot]

Just what I heard but... I heard there is litigation pending with the Zurn PEX system. Might want to steer clear of it.

A day too late. Well I got my PEX system installed this weekend and all seems fine. Copper crimp rings worked fine, didn't have any leaks as of yesterday and the entire system is up and running. You do need to take your time with the rings to ensure that you are getting a proper crimp and that you are holding the crimp tool perpendicular to your pipe. I will let you know if I get any leaks in the future.

As for the class action lawsuit, luckily all of my brass fittings are in the laundry room of my basement where there are no finished ceilings or walls. I left all of the existing copper in the walls on the first floor and just cut them off after they stubbed through the subfloor in the basement. If any of my brass fittings fail I can easily replace them without much/any damage to finished walls or ceilings. Does anyone know if there was a ruling made on the lawsuit?

[NHMaster3015]

I'm glad things went well. There is nothing more satisfying than installing something and then having to keep a watchfull eye on it. :poke:

[mheriot]

Especially with this being my first house. I have performed a lot of work and fixed a lot of things but this is the first time I didn't have to pack my tools up into my car at the end of the day to drive home. It was a good feeling.

Funny story, the valve upstream of my water meter leaks. I installed the meter and tied the PEX in before I had finished the rest of the system so that I could be finished in that area and concentrate on installing the manifolds and running the rest of the feeds. 2 hours later, after returning from dinner there was a puddle of water on the floor of my laundry room. I just wasn't thinking. I am lucky I didn't leave it over night. LESSON LEARNED.

[mheriot]

I had a hard time replacing the heat traps on my water heater also. A combination of pipe dope and rust made them difficult to remove. I haven't seen these on all water heaters, are they just energy saving devices or what? With the directional arrow I am assuming it works similiar to a check valve and ensures that water will only come in from the cold line and leave through the hot line.

[NHMaster3015]

I had a hard time replacing the heat traps on my water heater also. A combination of pipe dope and rust made them difficult to remove. I haven't seen these on all water heaters, are they just energy saving devices or what? With the directional arrow I am assuming it works similiar to a check valve and ensures that water will only come in from the cold line and leave through the hot line.

Did you re-do them in zurn pex.?

[mheriot]

Nope, cleaned the threads as best I could and installed galvy heat traps with teflon tape and pipe dope. From there I attached 12" lengths of 3/4" copper flex to which I attached the pex. I needed the 12" length in order to keep the pex a safe enough distance away from the water heater exhaust.

[JCsPlumbing]

Congrats! You just failed inspection!:D

[Plastic Head]

The copper crimp rings work great. Use a fitting that conforms to ASTM standards, and a crimp tool that won't allow you to open it unless you've crimped the ring 100%. Simple. Time tested and proven.