does this tool work

[HVAC HAWK]

just a thought about it
what do you think
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/hawk63/pvcsaver_bit.gif

[haycad]

sometimes they work but usually a whole saw works even better

[Drain Medic]

I ask myself that question every day :smile2:

[Bogart]

I have got a "Pipeshredder" Works great, saves your *** a lot of times.

[UA22PLumberdude]

Its hard finding a hole saw to the exact size,I make core-like bits out of black iron pipe...cut some teeth into the end of the appropriate sized iron ,and it'll work...Dummy boarders always breaking the stub-outs..

[SlimTim]

YES! In the right spot it'll save an hour or two of work. I mostly use them in irrigation. Use it according to their instructions or you'll eat your way right through the side of the fitting.

[drtyhands]

They are OK.They leave a pretty unneven surface on the inside of a socket.Since the tool is designed to cut at O.D. your reamed out fitting socket no longer has the taper it was designed with.

[PLUMBER RICK]

those are ok for a 1 time repair.

the real ones i have are carbide inserts and they cut instead of melt.

can't remember the brand right off the bat tonight, but they are a nice set from 1.5''-4''

rick.

[CPlumb]

I've got the same set as Rick . YES ,, they work VERY WELL and can really save some A** at times .

The kit is quite expensive , but worth it from the first time it is needed !

CP

[BCPLUMBER]

i have the wheeler -rex set and it is awesome. big time saver , but it was pricey up front but worth it.

the other company that makes them is rectorseal.

Larry

[cjmacph]

The Wheeler Rex toll is called THE PIPE HOG.I was going to buy one but was curious as to how well it worked.Since Rick gave it the OK I guess it works pretty well.:D

[wookie]

Yes, a real a** saver. I've got the one pictured but need to get the set rick and cplumb have.

wookie

[NHMaster3015]

just a thought about it
what do you think
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/hawk63/pvcsaver_bit.gif

Have all four sizes, can't live without them. Inexpensive, and effective. Rare qualitites in most tools.

[plumberscrack]

I've never needed one but now after all this talk I want a set real bad ;)

[MR.WRENCH]

you don't need any special tool for that, the fastest way is to cut that pipe 1 inch alway from the hub of the fitting, take your torch, and heat the inside of the pipe. use your channel lock, and peel the pipe right out of the fitting. trust me i have that same tool in 3", 2", and 1 1/2 and it's a waste of time.

[HVAC HAWK]

you don't need any special tool for that, the fastest way is to cut that pipe 1 inch alway from the hub of the fitting, take your torch, and heat the inside of the pipe. use your channel lock, and peel the pipe right out of the fitting. trust me i have that same tool in 3", 2", and 1 1/2 and it's a waste of time.

thanks for all the replies they are very help full and i may look into some of them .

now about mr wrench idea how hot do you get the pipe before it comes out

[TOPDAWG]

The one pictured in this thread is a
Pasco Ram Bit, I wouldn't waste your money on the Pasco as the steel cutting blade is too thin and strips out when it catches on pipe, lucky to get one use out of one.http://pascospecialty.com/catalog/PASCO_CATALOG_C.pdf
I have used them in the past and would say for a throw away one time useage tool it should do the job for you and maybe if you have a welder you might be able to tack weld the rings to the shaft to get more use out of them??

[NHMaster3015]

The one pictured in this thread is a
Pasco Ram Bit, I wouldn't waste your money on the Pasco as the steel cutting blade is too thin and strips out when it catches on pipe, lucky to get one use out of one.http://pascospecialty.com/catalog/PASCO_CATALOG_C.pdf
I have used them in the past and would say for a throw away one time useage tool it should do the job for you and maybe if you have a welder you might be able to tack weld the rings to the shaft to get more use out of them??

I'll admit you're not going to get a life time's use from these things, but for the rare accasions you need one they work just fine, and they're very inexpensive. As for torching the pipe, that only works if the joint is fresh.

[aero1]

rick we have the pipe hogs but have had mixed luck with them as they at times seem to take too much out of the fitting a leave us with a out of round hub or take to much skin off the joint and leave a very loose fit. the directions that come with them are vague at best, but they do cut the pipe out fast, we use a hole hog to drive them on low gear, if there is a better way or something were not doing correctly, sure would appreciate some feed back. we got ours when they first came out.

[MR.WRENCH]

As for torching the pipe, that only works if the joint is fresh.

not true. i' ve done this trick in renovations, and my own house that was 5 years old when i decided to remodel it. i wouldn't even waste my time doing this trick on a fresh joint, i just stick the back my hammer in the pipe, and pry it out.

[MR.WRENCH]

thanks for all the replies they are very help full and i may look into some of them .

now about mr wrench idea how hot do you get the pipe before it comes out


it depends on your torch tip. i use a # 4 turbo tip, and it take about 10 seconds (on pvc foamcore) to peel half the the pipe. reheat, and peel the rest. just don't put the flame directly on the pipe. you gotta rotate flame inside the pipe so you don't burn the pipe. takes some practice, but it's a very good trick to know.

[DuckButter]

I have the 1-1/2" & 2" bits, they work in a serious pinch as a last resort, but both Adam and Aero1 pointed out the same gripe I have with them...the tend to gouge the hub and leave it oversized.
I a situation where the only other option is to rip open a new wall they definitely come in handy.
I think if/when I ever have to do it again I may try Mr Wrench's trick.

[SlimTim]

I've have the 1-1/4" and 1-1/2" of the type pictured in the original post. I also have a set, I think by Dawn Industries, of 1/2" to 1" that have a much thicker guide and cutter.

[Herk]

I tried the Pasco version once, and it stripped on the first use.

As to using a torch inside a pipe - don't be real suprised to find out that plastic burns and that the air current going up the vent is great for boosting the flame.

[saysflushable]

it depends on your torch tip. i use a # 4 turbo tip, and it take about 10 seconds (on pvc foamcore) to peel half the the pipe. reheat, and peel the rest. just don't put the flame directly on the pipe. you gotta rotate flame inside the pipe so you don't burn the pipe. takes some practice, but it's a very good trick to know.

I've been using that trick for a while. Usually works good even on old pipe. :( once in a while I've cracked a hub trying it:( I've used the pasco 2 times the 1st time it worked perfect and I thought it was the greatest tool ever made the 2nd time the cutter stripped. :eek: since then I've used the torch and peal method.

[NHMaster3015]

If the torch method works than who ever prepped the joint in the first place did a real crappy job. A properly prepared solvent joint will not come apart after the glue sets.

[plumberscrack]

If the torch method works than who ever prepped the joint in the first place did a real crappy job. A properly prepared solvent joint will not come apart after the glue sets.

I have seen the torch trick used before and it scares me.

I use a good quality heat gun. Takes a few minutes longer but always works for me up to 3" hub. Over that you just can't get the joint warm enough to soften the weld.

Much harder to do with a joint that was primed versus one that wasn't but it does come apart. You just have to make sure the hub is returned to it's original round shape before it cools and hardens.

Great for removing broken PVC closet flanges that are glued onto a street 90. The drill device won't work in this instance

[HVAC HAWK]

when i started this thread i did not think there were many plumbers out there that did this . i thought just cutting it out and pitting new in was the way to go .
thanks for all the replays and ideas i will have to brake a pipe and try it out :eek:

[PIPES]

If the torch method works than who ever prepped the joint in the first place did a real crappy job. A properly prepared solvent joint will not come apart after the glue sets.


I disagree with that statement. It may be more difficult, but it will still come apart.

[saysflushable]

when i started this thread i did not think there were many plumbers out there that did this . i thought just cutting it out and pitting new in was the way to go .
thanks for all the replays and ideas i will have to brake a pipe and try it out :eek:
Sometimes cutting out a fitting means busting up cement or drywall. I'll try a lot before I do that.

[saysflushable]

If the torch method works than who ever prepped the joint in the first place did a real crappy job. A properly prepared solvent joint will not come apart after the glue sets.

Good point I will quit useing this method since it should not work!

I will also quit plumbing because I have had to take apart my own work with a torch and since it did come apart I must not know how to assemble PVC properly. :) Now I'm off to make my fortune as a male stripper.

I've been out of the loop for a while is 42 years old with a lot of back hair considered sexy?:have-fun:

[gear junkie]

Good point I will quit useing this method since it should not work!

I will also quit plumbing because I have had to take apart my own work with a torch and since it did come apart I must not know how to assemble PVC properly. :) Now I'm off to make my fortune as a male stripper.

I've been out of the loop for a while is 42 years old with a lot of back hair considered sexy?:have-fun:
Wow, did someone have too much estrogen in their cereal this morning? This was a joke for those ultra sensitive types.

[mtnman1100]

I use mine all the time. works great.

[NHMaster3015]

Because I teach plumbing now, I have the time to play around with things. It gives me clarity and the students practice. So we glued up some pvc. Some joints were done by the book. Cleaned, primed, wiped, glued and wiped again. Others were primed and glued and we also used both clear and purple primer. All joints were let set for the same times. Some 15 minuts and some over night.

Results:

All 15 minute joints will come apart with heat.
Of the over night joints. Only the purple primed, non wiped joints came apart.
All non primed joints came apart requardless of set time.

Practice does'nt always make perfect. Sometimes it makes permenant,