I want to build something!

[wrench spinner]

Anyone else ever have the urge to just build something...... I wish i had a place It is something about that first bucket of dirt at 7:30 in the morning when you start digging for footings, or the whine of a circular saw as you start ripping plywood the turbo torch screaming..... So i have spent all morning daydreaming about my dream house, that I will be the G.C. on of course. I am looking for property now so it is not going to be this year lol the way permiting works around here it will be atl least another year before i can start digging if i buy the property tommorrow. Tell me about your dream houses what will you guys have I will start first!


I want something modest not too amazing around here all the new homes are 10,000 s.f. plus i am happy with 3,000 and a NICE 30x20 garage where i can put all my tools. Despite the fact I am only 26 I have a lot of tools!!! A lot. Maybe that is why I dont have a house yet?

3 bedroom 2 bath house on maybe a 5 acre lot, pond in the back for swimming/fishing/ice skating. Detached garage that i shall dub Man-land with my toys- er. tools. Definitely a colonial, the garage maybe like a pole barn style like a carriage house design. Nice long winding driveway so that you cant see the house from the road. I dotn want to clear cut the lot I want to employ selective clearing where the house seems to blend in with the surrounding woods.

Now for the scary part In westchester County I am looking at this home costing 2 million If i dont build it myself! Maybe even more. Any one want to dontate to a poor kid with more tools than money fund? LOL

[BadgerDave]

There's always the Lottery.:joyful::joyful:

[rombo]

My problem is I always get the urge to build some half way through another project.



Example i went to bass pro to get a few things to fix the old boat. I now have a new boat in my backyard the i am customizing as we speak so it will be ready for the weekend

[ToUtahNow]

I've been going crazy wanting to build. However, it seems like every time I'm ready something comes up. I had plans drawn and ready for a log home 3-years ago and then zoning changes made me want to do some subdividing first. Now that the subdividing is almost completed I ended up trading a non-buildable lot for a developed lot in another subdivision and we can't decided where to build now. I want to be up my canyon along the creek and Brenda wants to be on a hill above the Highway.

Mark

[MrsSeatDown]

I want to be up my canyon along the creek and Brenda wants to be on a hill above the Highway.

Mark

I heard if you do it your way, you will be up your creek with no paddles:smash: :lol:

[cpw]

Anyone else ever have the urge to just build something...... I wish i had a place It is something about that first bucket of dirt at 7:30 in the morning when you start digging for footings, or the whine of a circular saw as you start ripping plywood the turbo torch screaming..... So i have spent all morning daydreaming about my dream house, that I will be the G.C. on of course. I am looking for property now so it is not going to be this year lol the way permiting works around here it will be atl least another year before i can start digging if i buy the property tommorrow. Tell me about your dream houses what will you guys have I will start first!


I want something modest not too amazing around here all the new homes are 10,000 s.f. plus i am happy with 3,000 and a NICE 30x20 garage where i can put all my tools. Despite the fact I am only 26 I have a lot of tools!!! A lot. Maybe that is why I dont have a house yet?

3 bedroom 2 bath house on maybe a 5 acre lot, pond in the back for swimming/fishing/ice skating. Detached garage that i shall dub Man-land with my toys- er. tools. Definitely a colonial, the garage maybe like a pole barn style like a carriage house design. Nice long winding driveway so that you cant see the house from the road. I dotn want to clear cut the lot I want to employ selective clearing where the house seems to blend in with the surrounding woods.

Now for the scary part In westchester County I am looking at this home costing 2 million If i dont build it myself! Maybe even more. Any one want to dontate to a poor kid with more tools than money fund? LOL
My dream house:

I would want a 5 bed, 2.5 bath house on a 5-10 acre lot in Putnam or Dutchess. I would want a 3.5 car garage and an unfinished basement. I would want it to be about 3,000 square feet. I would want about 1/3 of an acre of flat land near the house with a deck overlooking it. I would also like another deck off the master bedroom. 2 fire places. About an 800-1200 sq ft. unfinished basement for my tools and shop.

I would also be pickier about my lot so that my house is on a hill, not so much in a valley.

I would want some bells and whistles:
- Internet/CATV in Every Room with a Central Wiring Panel
- Every outlet box in the kitchen would have two duplex receptacles. Same thing in the bedrooms for next to the bed.
- Lots of Windows
- Zoned A/C
- In-ground sprinklers

As far as style I kind of like my front-to-back split that I have now with the cathedral ceilings on the main level w/ kitchen, dining and family rooms.

The one thing I'll recommend about your dream house is to go for four bedrooms; with this kind of house having the fourth bedroom will be a deciding factor for many people when you sell it. With lots of people working from home, you want to have a master, boy's room, girl's room, and an office. Why I said I would like five is master, boy's room, girl's room, nanny, office.

[cpw]

One thing I forgot to mention is that I would want it to be close to the Taconic (more important) and optionally a train station.

[BHD]

If your tools will fit into a 20' x 30' garage then your seriously lacking in the tool department,

[ToUtahNow]

I heard if you do it your way, you will be up your creek with no paddles:smash: :lol:

Hey you're pretty funny for a girl. :nyaa-nyaa4:

The truth of the matter is between the kayaks and the rafts I store in my building up the canyon I would be up the creek with a bunch of paddles but without Brenda.

Our differences are I like seclusion and no neighbors while Brenda likes being where people can find her. We will work it out and I will do whatever she asks me to do but I will not go down without a little whining. I have included pictures of the two lots where would you want to be?

Brenda's lot is 100-yards off of the Highway with a view of the river while mine is 1/2 mile up the canyon with a view and sound of the creek.

Mark

[wrench spinner]

If your tools will fit into a 20' x 30' garage then your seriously lacking in the tool department,

Well I was planning to keep the backhoe outside, 20 x 30 that is like a 2 1/2 car garage isnt it? I should have room for tablesaw, bandsaw, kalamazoo, drill press, 40" mechanics tool chest, compresser, threaders and a couple of snakes shouldn't I? Hmmm. it is a dream house how about 30' x 45'?

[wrench spinner]

Hey you're pretty funny for a girl. :nyaa-nyaa4:

The truth of the matter is between the kayaks and the rafts I store in my building up the canyon I would be up the creek with a bunch of paddles but without Brenda.

Our differences are I like seclusion and no neighbors while Brenda likes being where people can find her. We will work it out and I will do whatever she asks me to do but I will not go down without a little whining. I have included pictures of the two lots where would you want to be?

Brenda's lot is 100-yards off of the Highway with a view of the river while mine is 1/2 mile up the canyon with a view and sound of the creek.

Mark



Ill TAKE IT?!? Man it sure is pretty out west! We just have a different kind of pretty in the east!

[ToUtahNow]

Ill TAKE IT?!? Man it sure is pretty out west! We just have a different kind of pretty in the east!

Yes we are very arid out west while you guys out east seem to have water every where out east. I am a sucker for green but I only get to see it at spring time in the west. We spent some time in New York last November and the fly over was amazing.

Mark

[wrench spinner]

Yes we are very arid out west while you guys out east seem to have water every where out east. I am a sucker for green but I only get to see it at spring time in the west. We spent some time in New York last November and the fly over was amazing.

Mark

Next time you guys are out here let me know I'd be happy to show you some of the places that amaze me every time i look at them. For example the only Mesa's we have out here seem to be the Palisades! Man those cliffs are spectacular!

[garager]

MN is is even nicer.... :D

Downtown, my town Two Harbors
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa136/garager62/TwoHarborsandLake.jpg

Duluth MN
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa136/garager62/DuluthDowntown2.jpg

North shore, 2nd most beautiful drive in the US, next to the Grand Canyon...
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa136/garager62/drfitershoreline.jpg

My Dog, he even likes MN....:D
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa136/garager62/STA70262.jpg

[garager]

I'm trying to finish up a new rabbit shed for the wife and kids. I like to build too... :D

[ToUtahNow]

Wow you guys are in amazing area but where's your cactus. :)

Mark

[wrench spinner]

The Palisades
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/myphotos/triassic/palisades.jpg

This is the bear mountain bridge down the street from CPW and I
http://www.agpix.com/catalog/AGPix_PaRe12/large/AGPix_PaRe12_1402_Lg.jpg

This is west point:
http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.com/images/West%20Point-Aerial-view.jpg


Dont have this in the deserts!
http://www.westchesterlandtrust.org/files/u2/stuarts_farm.jpg

[wrench spinner]

Oh this is my Fishing hole!! Amawalk reservoir
http://pics4.city-data.com/cpicc/cfiles27290.jpg

[rick1643]

Anyone else ever have the urge to just build something...... I wish i had a place It is something about that first bucket of dirt at 7:30 in the morning when you start digging for footings, or the whine of a circular saw as you start ripping plywood the turbo torch screaming..... So i have spent all morning daydreaming about my dream house, that I will be the G.C. on of course. I am looking for property now so it is not going to be this year lol the way permiting works around here it will be atl least another year before i can start digging if i buy the property tommorrow. Tell me about your dream houses what will you guys have I will start first!


I want something modest not too amazing around here all the new homes are 10,000 s.f. plus i am happy with 3,000 and a NICE 30x20 garage where i can put all my tools. Despite the fact I am only 26 I have a lot of tools!!! A lot. Maybe that is why I dont have a house yet?

3 bedroom 2 bath house on maybe a 5 acre lot, pond in the back for swimming/fishing/ice skating. Detached garage that i shall dub Man-land with my toys- er. tools. Definitely a colonial, the garage maybe like a pole barn style like a carriage house design. Nice long winding driveway so that you cant see the house from the road. I dotn want to clear cut the lot I want to employ selective clearing where the house seems to blend in with the surrounding woods.

Now for the scary part In westchester County I am looking at this home costing 2 million If i dont build it myself! Maybe even more. Any one want to dontate to a poor kid with more tools than money fund? LOL

maybe you could have Devine do it, he doesn't have the overhead we do (not having a license, insurance, bond.....) I'm sure he could give you a good price.:D

[garager]

Wow you guys are in amazing area but where's your cactus. :)

Mark

Cactus, whats that.... :D

We don't even have snakes or Poison Ivy, well maybe way down south MN.

[BHD]

the first shop I built (when I lived in town) was 24 x 30, and out grew that in a year,
all wood working,

when I moved to the farm I used the garage building for my shop as that was the only building that had a cement floor in it at the time, I easily filled that and could not hardly move in it, later I rebuilt the barn, it had a center of 30 x 50, with two side sheds, 15 foot wide and 65 foot long, I poured concrete in the center, and that is my machine and mechanical shop, the old garage is the wood shop, and would like to build a new wood shop some year, and have toyed with the idea of adding an addition on to the barn of 60 x 40 or so in front of the existing building which has the current 30 x50 shop in it and the storage on the sides and up in the "Raised" hay loft I have more parts and supply storage. (I do not store farm or construction equipment, tractors or trucks or the like in side either).

ALL I know is what ever you build and you use tools and find a use for what you own, you will out grow your shops in time.

I would suggest building in such a way on the shop/garage area, that it could easily be expanded, in the future if needed.

one of my reasons on the new wood shop is to get better paths for lumber flow through the machines, and then a construction area for furniture and cabinets, a spray both, (which I would probly set up in the old shop and then wood storage in the old shop),
I would like to build it to look like a old barn and in the loft area set up my stain glass room, I like to incorporate stain glass in the furniture or cabinets that I build it seems to really be a hit with people. and I like my shops set up so I can come in and use things and not have to set it up to use it, such as move half of the machines around to a usable position.

Also mechanical and wood working do not mix well, grease does not go good on wood and dust is not helpfull on precision mechanical parts, and welding and grinding do not go good on wood either, saw dust and wood burn, and grit doesn't not help either,

that is one reason I would like to add on to the barn and put the welding out in the new section, and also to have more area to have a unit to be setting either being fixed and or waiting for parts or what ever, and a place to put some movable over head hoist on movable beams,

jsut my two cents,

[Masterplumb]

I want something modest not too amazing around here all the new homes are 10,000 s.f. plus i am happy with 3,000 and a NICE 30x20 garage where i can put all my tools. Despite the fact I am only 26 I have a lot of tools!!! A lot. Maybe that is why I dont have a house yet?



How do you have a master plumbers license at the age of 26? Last time I checked you need 10 years experience to take the test????

Section 277.506 of the County licensing law:

1. Master plumber's license. After a candidate receives a certificate of competency as a master plumber, a license will be issued by the County Board of Plumbing Examiners to permit the performance of plumbing work with no restrictions in any city, town or village in the county. Such license is hereby required for all plumbing inspectors in cities within the county; however, such inspectors shall be exempt from annual renewal fees. All applicants shall have successfully completed a four-year apprentice program with licensed master plumbers and have five years' experience at the journey level or have five years' apprenticeship in the employ of a licensed master plumber and have five years' additional experience as a journey level plumber in the employ of licensed master plumbers as the requirement for application. The annual fee for a master plumber's license is $500.00.

[BHD]

Wrench Spinner what kind of an "Evil Engineer" are you?

[wrench spinner]

How do you have a master plumbers license at the age of 26? Last time I checked you need 10 years experience to take the test????

Section 277.506 of the County licensing law:

1. Master plumber's license. After a candidate receives a certificate of competency as a master plumber, a license will be issued by the County Board of Plumbing Examiners to permit the performance of plumbing work with no restrictions in any city, town or village in the county. Such license is hereby required for all plumbing inspectors in cities within the county; however, such inspectors shall be exempt from annual renewal fees. All applicants shall have successfully completed a four-year apprentice program with licensed master plumbers and have five years' experience at the journey level or have five years' apprenticeship in the employ of a licensed master plumber and have five years' additional experience as a journey level plumber in the employ of licensed master plumbers as the requirement for application. The annual fee for a master plumber's license is $500.00.



I took the master plumber's test about a month ago I have not yet recieved the results and I am not yet a master. However, I do hold a journeyman's card and yes I did have a business. I employeed a Master Plumber as well as my business Partner is a master. I ran the business end of things. And as far as ten years experience yes. I have been working since I was 12 years old for family, which is legal in New York. I am not going to throw their name out on a public forum but if intersted I will scan a copy of my Journeyman's card on monday and upon reciept of my master's paperwork soon I hope I will scan that in as well. I will also answer any questions as well as back them up if anyone wants!

As of now no I no longer do any kind of plumbing to speak of other than an odd job for a friend or family. Oh and I also have a bachelors degree in Mechanical Engineering with a minor in business. If anyone would like I would be happy to post them here to. I am not a hypocrite and am slightly insulted by the accusations made.

[Masterplumb]

I took the master plumber's test about a month ago I have not yet recieved the results and I am not yet a master. However, I do hold a journeyman's card and yes I did have a business. I employeed a Master Plumber as well as my business Partner is a master. I ran the business end of things. And as far as ten years experience yes. I have been working since I was 12 years old for family, which is legal in New York. I am not going to throw their name out on a public forum but if intersted I will scan a copy of my Journeyman's card on monday and upon reciept of my master's paperwork soon I hope I will scan that in as well. I will also answer any questions as well as back them up if anyone wants!

As of now no I no longer do any kind of plumbing to speak of other than an odd job for a friend or family. Oh and I also have a bachelors degree in Mechanical Engineering with a minor in business. If anyone would like I would be happy to post them here to. I am not a hypocrite and am slightly insulted by the accusations made.

I find it hard to believe that you attended college, have a bachelors degree with a minor and still had time to put in enough hours for credit towards your master (2000hrs/yr)

No need to get offended, I asked a simple question, as your signature talks about others not having a license and you don't either?

Employing a master doesnt mean anything. as per the licensing code the Master shall own 51% of the business.

Something doesn't smell right here.

[wrench spinner]

That is correct that is why it took me so long. After attending high school i was done around noon, worked till about 5 averaging 5 hours a day after school for my grandfather, for 5 days a week, then all day saturday usually 8 to 10 hours a day, that if my math is correct is 35 hours a week, for 2 years in high school junior and senior. plus summers of 50 hour weeks from when i was 12 years old until I was 18. Then for 2 years since i couldnt afford college yet i attended community college at night as well as working full time. 50 hour plus weeks mind you. My family has a fairly large plumbing shop in upper westchester and is VERY busy. After I recieved my associates degree in Engineering Technologies From Westchester Community College I took my journeymans test, keep in mind I am 20 years old at the time. I continued my education at Western New England College in Springfield MA, Where I continued to work after class and on the weekends for a local plumbing company. After Graduating with a bachelors degree I was hard pressed to find a job in my field, so I returned to the family business, There was a little bit of drama in the middle there between my uncle and I regarding hours worked etc. but my grandfather straightened that out and attested to my hours as I worked directly under him for a number of years. Instead of he retiring I took on his company as a partner for a number of years and continued to learn the trade under him as well as working along side him in the business end of things. So Master Plumb as you can see it did take me2000 plus hours of sweat equity to get my journeyman's and hopefully masters cards. Which believe me I will be more than proud enough to show EVERYONE on this board upon its arrival and with regards to my current Journeyman's card I will scan that on next week and PM it to you! Oh and as far as the minor in business I took night classes at Westchester to achieve that because my friend there is a lot more to the plumbing business than just swinging a wrench and sweating a pipe!

[ToUtahNow]

That is correct that is why it took me so long. After attending high school i was done around noon, worked till about 5 averaging 5 hours a day after school for my grandfather, for 5 days a week, then all day saturday usually 8 to 10 hours a day, that if my math is correct is 35 hours a week, for 2 years in high school junior and senior. plus summers of 50 hour weeks from when i was 12 years old until I was 18. Then for 2 years since i couldnt afford college yet i attended community college at night as well as working full time. 50 hour plus weeks mind you. My family has a fairly large plumbing shop in upper westchester and is VERY busy. After I recieved my associates degree in Engineering Technologies From Westchester Community College I took my journeymans test, keep in mind I am 20 years old at the time. I continued my education at Western New England College in Springfield MA, Where I continued to work after class and on the weekends for a local plumbing company. After Graduating with a bachelors degree I was hard pressed to find a job in my field, so I returned to the family business, There was a little bit of drama in the middle there between my uncle and I regarding hours worked etc. but my grandfather straightened that out and attested to my hours as I worked directly under him for a number of years. Instead of he retiring I took on his company as a partner for a number of years and continued to learn the trade under him as well as working along side him in the business end of things. So Master Plumb as you can see it did take me2000 plus hours of sweat equity to get my journeyman's and hopefully masters cards. Which believe me I will be more than proud enough to show EVERYONE on this board upon its arrival and with regards to my current Journeyman's card I will scan that on next week and PM it to you! Oh and as far as the minor in business I took night classes at Westchester to achieve that because my friend there is a lot more to the plumbing business than just swinging a wrench and sweating a pipe!

I hate over achievers.

Mark :way-to-go:

[JCsPlumbing]

Don't have to show any proof. Just keep on keepin' on. :wave:

J.C.

[MrsSeatDown]

I hate over achievers.

Mark :way-to-go:

I resemble that remark:p

Hey wrench spinner, Tieger isn't your dad is he?

[garager]

I resemble that remark:p

Hey wrench spinner, Tieger isn't your dad is he?

That was mean..... :eek: :D

[cpw]

That is correct that is why it took me so long. After attending high school i was done around noon, worked till about 5 averaging 5 hours a day after school for my grandfather, for 5 days a week, then all day saturday usually 8 to 10 hours a day, that if my math is correct is 35 hours a week, for 2 years in high school junior and senior. plus summers of 50 hour weeks from when i was 12 years old until I was 18. Then for 2 years since i couldnt afford college yet i attended community college at night as well as working full time. 50 hour plus weeks mind you. My family has a fairly large plumbing shop in upper westchester and is VERY busy. After I recieved my associates degree in Engineering Technologies From Westchester Community College I took my journeymans test, keep in mind I am 20 years old at the time. I continued my education at Western New England College in Springfield MA, Where I continued to work after class and on the weekends for a local plumbing company. After Graduating with a bachelors degree I was hard pressed to find a job in my field, so I returned to the family business, There was a little bit of drama in the middle there between my uncle and I regarding hours worked etc. but my grandfather straightened that out and attested to my hours as I worked directly under him for a number of years. Instead of he retiring I took on his company as a partner for a number of years and continued to learn the trade under him as well as working along side him in the business end of things. So Master Plumb as you can see it did take me2000 plus hours of sweat equity to get my journeyman's and hopefully masters cards. Which believe me I will be more than proud enough to show EVERYONE on this board upon its arrival and with regards to my current Journeyman's card I will scan that on next week and PM it to you! Oh and as far as the minor in business I took night classes at Westchester to achieve that because my friend there is a lot more to the plumbing business than just swinging a wrench and sweating a pipe!
This really goes to show that someone with skill and a hard work ethic can acheive a hell of a lot when they put their mind to it.

Aside from that it also shows how much slack there is a college schedule, that if not spent partying can be spent working. :) My free college time was spent working 20 hours a week at the same time I was taking between 19 and 23 credits a semester. Fortunately, after my first year of college, I started working for a professor who became my graduate advisor, which let me get the heck out of college and graduate school in 6 years.

[Tom W]

Back to the house discussion. I don't understand the logic of building a new house with four bedrooms and three baths or five bedrooms and four baths. I am talking about full baths not the extra half baths. If building new I would include a bathroom for every bedroom, yet almost every house built lacks one bathroom for the number of bedrooms. There must be some logic because even exceptionally high end houses where it seems the occupant has the dough to afford another bathroom are built like this. I don't get it.

[cpw]

Back to the house discussion. I don't understand the logic of building a new house with four bedrooms and three baths or five bedrooms and four baths. I am talking about full baths not the extra half baths. If building new I would include a bathroom for every bedroom, yet almost every house built lacks one bathroom for the number of bedrooms. There must be some logic because even exceptionally high end houses where it seems the occupant has the dough to afford another bathroom are built like this. I don't get it.
I think that is a good point. There really seem to be bedroom - 2 full bathrooms, because usually when you get more than two baths the third is really only half. I'm not sure you need a one-to-one mapping, but 4 with 2 full baths is probably too little. I think that a master and guest room should have separate baths, and the rest of the bedrooms can share; as long as it isn't more than two beds to one bath. My logic is that kids can learn to share. :)

[garager]

I have a 4 bedroom house with 1 bathroom and there is 5 of us in the house. I hate having 1 bathroom, but we do manage. But thank god I have boys, if I had daughters, you could bet your life savings I'd be putting in a new bathroom yesterday 10 yrs ago.... :D

[Tom W]

I have two brothers and two sisters. Growing up we also had only one bathroom for seven of us and I don't recall any significant problems. While raising our own two kids we had a 5,700 sq. ft. house with five bedrooms but since it was an old farm house there was only one bathroom. The only complaint was from my daugter who complained that my son would occasionally leave toothpaste spray on the mirror. My suggestion that we scrape the offending nubs off and serve them as after dinner mints didn't receive the accolades for inventivness I had hoped for.

Our now house has three bedrooms and two baths for just my wife and me. Separate bathrooms will go a long way toward making a marriage work. We also each took over one of the bedroms as our own space and share the third. I can assure you there are no Georgia O'Keef prints of flowers or any of that stuff on my bedroom walls. If she wants that stuff let her have it. I like my wild boar's head looking at me. I have passed up shots on bear while hunting but I think I may shoot the next one and have a full body mount done. That would look way cool in my room.

[Masterplumb]

That is correct that is why it took me so long. After attending high school i was done around noon, worked till about 5 averaging 5 hours a day after school for my grandfather, for 5 days a week, then all day saturday usually 8 to 10 hours a day, that if my math is correct is 35 hours a week, for 2 years in high school junior and senior. plus summers of 50 hour weeks from when i was 12 years old until I was 18. Then for 2 years since i couldnt afford college yet i attended community college at night as well as working full time. 50 hour plus weeks mind you. My family has a fairly large plumbing shop in upper westchester and is VERY busy. After I recieved my associates degree in Engineering Technologies From Westchester Community College I took my journeymans test, keep in mind I am 20 years old at the time. I continued my education at Western New England College in Springfield MA, Where I continued to work after class and on the weekends for a local plumbing company. After Graduating with a bachelors degree I was hard pressed to find a job in my field, so I returned to the family business, There was a little bit of drama in the middle there between my uncle and I regarding hours worked etc. but my grandfather straightened that out and attested to my hours as I worked directly under him for a number of years. Instead of he retiring I took on his company as a partner for a number of years and continued to learn the trade under him as well as working along side him in the business end of things. So Master Plumb as you can see it did take me2000 plus hours of sweat equity to get my journeyman's and hopefully masters cards. Which believe me I will be more than proud enough to show EVERYONE on this board upon its arrival and with regards to my current Journeyman's card I will scan that on next week and PM it to you! Oh and as far as the minor in business I took night classes at Westchester to achieve that because my friend there is a lot more to the plumbing business than just swinging a wrench and sweating a pipe!

So your grandfather attested to your hours, thats a different story. With that much knowledge you definitely should be able to pass an open book test on the first try. So since we're on the subject whats is the name of your company? I know about sweat and hard work as I built my company from the ground up, I wasnt lucky enough to take over my grandfathers business. You took this all the wrong way, as you were criticizing someone for not having a masters and you dont either. Anyhow "my friend" I do realise there is more to plumbing then just spinning a wrench. What is the name of he company?

[BHD]

I was not questioning your paper work, I was just interested in what kind of engineering you did or are.

Personally I think the paper work is jsut that, it proves very little, either you can or you can't do the job.

and it is obvious your one who can do.

The Saturn rocket that took Man to the moon the second stage, Head electrical engineer never had a degree in engineering, It was on on if you can do the job not if you had paper work.