Cable "WARNING"

[All Clear Sewer]

Do not buy any Dura Cable and run it in a K-7500
This cable is 4 weeks old. It never had a real hard job in the 4 weeks. I am in shock!!!!!! :eek::eek: :mad::eek::eek:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040665.JPG
This is the end that was hooked to my 25` of Ridgid I/C 3/4
The Ridgid cable is the straight one in the picture and is 8 months old ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040664.JPG

I will be calling Dura Cable and see if there is by chance maybe a refund I could get for this substandard cable. Took me an hour to get it out of the machine today so I could go back to the 3/4 IC Ridgid Cable ;)
I will never do this again :trash-him:

[gear junkie]

Holy smokes, what a differnce between the two. What kind of cable was it exactly? Innercore, IW? I would definently ask for some money back. Try that oil tempered hollow core out and let me know how you like it. That's what I was planning on trying with my spartan. Maybe you should get a job as a cable tester for companies?

[saysflushable]

I've got 2 slight bends in my fairly new Mytana 11/16 non inner core that are troubling me I don't think it was my fault. I've been slow on the drain cleaning end so they aren't over used . Go figure 1st time I've had trouble with them that I don't THINK was my fault.


You might like general inner core. we abused that one with no trouble

[All Clear Sewer]

It was the Inner Core with Nylon Core. I wanted the Wire Core but they talked me in to trying this one out.....errrrrrrr
I`m just gonna stick with the Ridgid Cable from now on unless they change it again....errrrr??????? I know what I can do with it and how long to expect it to last.
This time of the year I do about 1/2 of what I do during root season. This cable wouldn't last one day in root season behind the 7500. I never did a root job with this cable if that tell`s anything. I had one job that had a few turns in it that I have used the Ridgid cable in many times and never had a problem till I changed to Dura Cable.
Cost the same as the Ridgid cable and I had to put Ridgid ends on it.

I just got done installing a new 100` 3/4 IC Ridgid cable and tested it....WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is all I can say!
I feel like doing a sewer now :D

[Drain Medic]

It was the Inner Core with Nylon Core. I wanted the Wire Core but they talked me in to trying this one out.....errrrrrrr
I`m just gonna stick with the Ridgid Cable from now on unless they change it again....errrrr??????? I know what I can do with it and how long to expect it to last.
This time of the year I do about 1/2 of what I do during root season. This cable wouldn't last one day in root season behind the 7500. I never did a root job with this cable if that tell`s anything. I had one job that had a few turns in it that I have used the Ridgid cable in many times and never had a problem till I changed to Dura Cable.
Cost the same as the Ridgid cable and I had to put Ridgid ends on it.

I just got done installing a new 100` 3/4 IC Ridgid cable and tested it....WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is all I can say!
I feel like doing a sewer now :D

Its just inexperience thats all :D :lmao:

Just messin with you....Ever use Spartan cable?

[PLUMBER RICK]

i ran an oil tempered hollow core dura cable in my 7500 for well over a year and never had an issue with it once i cut 20' off the end of it. that was 2 years ago;)

although the specs show 125' capacity of 3/4'' cable. i can tell you from experience that it will fit when properly loaded new, but not when used in the real world. the cable will get hung up in the drum and will get bent and twisted.

never broke the cable and only a small bend at 1 spot.

and yes that cable has cleared roots in 4''-6'' pipe for 100-200 hundred jobs. and dura cable has ridgid ends they installed from the factory.

the purpose of the nylon over steel inner core is to keep the cable from rusting together and turning into a solid non flexible rod.

still the best cable i ever used was the ridgid aircraft inner core. this had 7 strands from what i remember.

rick.

[Drain Medic]

i ran an oil tempered hollow core dura cable in my 7500 for well over a year and never had an issue with it once i cut 20' off the end of it. that was 2 years ago;)

although the specs show 125' capacity of 3/4'' cable. i can tell you from experience that it will fit when properly loaded new, but not when used in the real world. the cable will get hung up in the drum and will get bent and twisted.

never broke the cable and only a small bend at 1 spot.

and yes that cable has cleared roots in 4''-6'' pipe for 100-200 hundred jobs. and dura cable has ridgid ends they installed from the factory.

the purpose of the nylon over steel inner core is to keep the cable from rusting together and turning into a solid non flexible rod.

still the best cable i ever used was the ridgid aircraft inner core. this had 7 strands from what i remember.

rick.


I heard so much good vibes on the ridgid aircraft inner core....Do they still make it???

[MrsSeatDown]

I heard so much good vibes on the ridgid aircraft inner core....Do they still make it???

You had to go and get him started:( Nope. Not anymore. No matter how much begging and pleading he does:rolleyes:

[PLUMBER RICK]

I heard so much good vibes on the ridgid aircraft inner core....Do they still make it???

You had to go and get him started:( Nope. Not anymore. No matter how much begging and pleading he does:rolleyes:

actually i still have 1 brand new 100' cable still in the box. since i'm a sectional man now:D

it could be parted for the right price. i know it will out last and out perform anything out there. it was the cable that made me the go to guy.

when it wouldn't clear, i would get the call and go to it:D

yes, i've spoken to ridgid and even gave them a sample a year ago to look at. i'm still waiting for christmas 1 day:rolleyes:

if it returns, i might become a switch hitter:eek:

i'll put my 7500 back to work;)

but for now, my sectionals are king:D

rick.

[wizzy]

Thanks to Rick's tip I bought a Duracable 3/4" oil tempered hollow 100' In May 2007 and it is still going strong, so far over 100 cleanings using my k-750. I'm very happy with it's durability.

[All Clear Sewer]

Rick I have been running 125 of 3/4 IC in my 7500 from day one."2 Years"
I found that the trick is to install the 25` first then the 100`.

When that Dure Cable was new it was trashed on the first C/O. I do that same C/O tomorrow along with 16 other ones. I bet my Ridgid cable will still be like new when done and I have already done 7 jobs with it.

My Dura Cable didn't come with ends on it and when I installed the ends I though I was gonna brake the cable as they didn't fit right.

How could a cable be so screwed up all the way to the end that`s hooked to another brand of cable ???? I say you cant get any better proof the that!
The Dura cable is trashed and the Ridgid cable is still nice and flat and working to this day ;)

[gear junkie]

Thinking about this Steve. I think you're in the wrong business. You might want to look into relining or trenchless repair. Your town has the worst sewers in America for you to have that kind of workload.

[All Clear Sewer]

I am not a believer in trenchless repair so that wont work. I feel trenchless repair is a big rip-off. :rolling-eyes:

[MrsSeatDown]

I am not a believer in trenchless repair so that wont work. I feel trenchless repair is a big rip-off. :rolling-eyes:

I'll bite. Why?

[All Clear Sewer]

Because it is ;).....lol

My reasons very from experience.
We just bid a dig and replacement of a trenchless job ;)
My master plumber wanted me to get the equipment to do trenchless until I showed him Why I was a nonbeliever.

Trenchless like many other things in our trade has it`s place but is not the right way to do things. It`s hacking!!!!!

1. if there's a belly they have a head that will straighten it out and leave a void below. The Void will leave a place for the pipe to settle causing another belly.

2. If you are bursting and there is a large or any root for that matter you've only move it out of the way but it will be back and cause the same problems.

3. A patch is only just that "Patching up the problem" to come back at a latter time. There's a reason why you needed to patch it and you need to address that problem from outside the pipe.

4. Pulling pipe will stretch the pipe and it will take it`s original form some day leaving a void at the connection points. "Seen it many times"

I could go on and on. You just cant replace the Plumber and Backhoe if you want it fixed right.

I know Rick does this kind of work and in no way am I calling him a hack but if we were to bid the same job I bet I would get it after I explained the whys on "Not to go trenchless"
I`m just a nonbeliever because I have gone along behind crews replacing their work with a backhoe and correcting the problem they couldn't do from inside the pipe.

"Just Say "NO" To No-Dig"

[Service Guy]

I agree with allclear. Trenchless CAN be good in certain situations where digging in near-impossible, but its never better than digging and doing it the old-fashioned way.

I have used pipe-bursting and I was quite impressed, but again, there can be slight bellies left in the line beyond control.

[Herk]

I've never even seen bursting, but it sounds perfectly horrible. OTOH, I have used people with a vibrating bullet to bore a hole for new water lines and such without having to dig up a nice yard and that works great.

[spodelee]

Because it is ;).....lol

My reasons very from experience.
We just bid a dig and replacement of a trenchless job ;)
My master plumber wanted me to get the equipment to do trenchless until I showed him Why I was a nonbeliever.

Trenchless like many other things in our trade has it`s place but is not the right way to do things. It`s hacking!!!!!

1. if there's a belly they have a head that will straighten it out and leave a void below. The Void will leave a place for the pipe to settle causing another belly.

2. If you are bursting and there is a large or any root for that matter you've only move it out of the way but it will be back and cause the same problems.

3. A patch is only just that "Patching up the problem" to come back at a latter time. There's a reason why you needed to patch it and you need to address that problem from outside the pipe.

4. Pulling pipe will stretch the pipe and it will take it`s original form some day leaving a void at the connection points. "Seen it many times"

I could go on and on. You just cant replace the Plumber and Backhoe if you want it fixed right.

I know Rick does this kind of work and in no way am I calling him a hack but if we were to bid the same job I bet I would get it after I explained the whys on "Not to go trenchless"
I`m just a nonbeliever because I have gone along behind crews replacing their work with a backhoe and correcting the problem they couldn't do from inside the pipe.

"Just Say "NO" To No-Dig"

Well Rick - what is the other side of the story here? I have been looking at trenchless, but thus far have come to some of the same conclusions as All Clear (without having ever actually replaced a latteral myself :D)

[JCsPlumbing]

Thinking about this Steve. I think you're in the wrong business. You might want to look into relining or trenchless repair. Your town has the worst sewers in America for you to have that kind of workload.

What??? I would LOVE if the sewers in my area were in the condition that they apparently are there. Keep the cables hot! $$$ :thumbup:.

J.C.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Well Rick - what is the other side of the story here? I have been looking at trenchless, but thus far have come to some of the same conclusions as All Clear (without having ever actually replaced a latteral myself :D)

trenchless pipe bursting is not the solution to every sewer problem.

it is a much better solution to relining. relining is typically a band aide that mimics the original problem.

pipe bursting actually replaces the pipe with new pipe, typically hdpe that is prefused at 20' intervals and reamed to the full bore of the pipe.

this new pipe is virtually indestructible. it's not abs. it's hdpe. i can hit it all day long with a sledge hammer and not damage it. the bore of the pipe is clean and slick.

with pipe bursting/ trenchless, i actually replace the existing pipe with new from point a to point b. the original pipe is actually burst/ split and is moved into the existing dirt that surrounds the pipe bed. the new pipe is full size that is hydraulically pulled into place. i can and have pulled through 3- 4'' 45's without an issue. i have never tried a 90.

the pipe is re-connected to the existing stubs with a mission/ fernco bands.

the advantage is not having to dig, saw-cut, landscape and re-compact the entire trench. only a 24'' x 48'' pit is required at the pulling end. this is dug 6'' deeper than the existing sewer line. the entry pit is dug just large enough as you would need to install a clean out.

as far as removing sags, i've never attempted to replace a line with sags/ back fall. typically i replace lines full of roots and offsets.

with relining, the liner is an internal epoxy cast that mimics the original pipe and offsets. roots need to be cut back clean or the liner will not properly inflate to the full diameter of the pipe. offsets will still be offsets, just with a smoother transition.

regardless of what system you use, a proper video inspection is needed prior to any job or quote. and a proper inspection is needed afterwards to verify proper installation, especially with relining.

rick.

[spodelee]

trenchless pipe bursting is not the solution to every sewer problem.

it is a much better solution to relining. relining is typically a band aide that mimics the original problem.

pipe bursting actually replaces the pipe with new pipe, typically hdpe that is prefused at 20' intervals and reamed to the full bore of the pipe.

this new pipe is virtually indestructible. it's not abs. it's hdpe. i can hit it all day long with a sledge hammer and not damage it. the bore of the pipe is clean and slick.

with pipe bursting/ trenchless, i actually replace the existing pipe with new from point a to point b. the original pipe is actually burst/ split and is moved into the existing dirt that surrounds the pipe bed. the new pipe is full size that is hydraulically pulled into place. i can and have pulled through 3- 4'' 45's without an issue. i have never tried a 90.

the pipe is re-connected to the existing stubs with a mission/ fernco bands.

the advantage is not having to dig, saw-cut, landscape and re-compact the entire trench. only a 24'' x 48'' pit is required at the pulling end. this is dug 6'' deeper than the existing sewer line. the entry pit is dug just large enough as you would need to install a clean out.

as far as removing sags, i've never attempted to replace a line with sags/ back fall. typically i replace lines full of roots and offsets.

with relining, the liner is an internal epoxy cast that mimics the original pipe and offsets. roots need to be cut back clean or the liner will not properly inflate to the full diameter of the pipe. offsets will still be offsets, just with a smoother transition.

regardless of what system you use, a proper video inspection is needed prior to any job or quote. and a proper inspection is needed afterwards to verify proper installation, especially with relining.

rick.

I looked at several bursting machines at the PHCC show. Which is your favorite?

BTW - I really appreciate all of the information from the forum. It's really helping me develop a master plan. Hoping to return the favor with a little business advice now and then to anybody that wants to listen.

[All Clear Sewer]

Rick I have been running 125 of 3/4 IC in my 7500 from day one."2 Years"
I found that the trick is to install the 25` first then the 100`.

When that Dure Cable was new it was trashed on the first C/O. I do that same C/O tomorrow along with 16 other ones. I bet my Ridgid cable will still be like new when done and I have already done 7 jobs with it.



Well I have returned from the long day of 17 sewer cleanings at the food processing plant.
All went well and time was cut to 20 to 25 minutes a 125` run.

I will never use Dura cable again. My helper told me if I was to try it again he would kick the crap out of me

Don't this look good!!!! :D
For MrsSeatDown Notice the UPS Parking :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_1205_00_.jpg

And now for a little work inside the building. The machine is 3.5 feet from the C/O
Do that with a K-60 and run 125` ;) J/K

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_0853_00_.jpg

Notice how CLEAN the area is ;) They don't like sewer machines that leave a mess around their clean plant....

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_1006_00_.jpg

I wouldn't have this job if it wasn't for the K-7500 as they own a 1500 and don't want it inside the plant because of the mess it leaves behind.

Anyway after all the C/O`s the cable still looks "NEW" and this was the site that put the KILL on the Dura Cable just 30 days a go ;)

[ToUtahNow]

I don't know Steve you have just as much if not more cable exposed while cleaning with your K-7500 as you would with a section. However, if I had to pick the correct machine for your job it would have been a K-7500 because of the ease of access.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

But with a sectional you couldn't set on the bucket and let the cable feed all by itself. You would have to be on the other side of that bar holding the cable so it wouldn't be flopping around. They use to try and do this job with their 1500 and said it would take all of a day and a 1/2. I`m there and gone in just under 8 hours and take a lunch and a few brakes to go out side and warm up. It`s COLD in there :D

The key is "NO MESS or CABLES strung out all over the floor ;)

[All Clear Sewer]

Aww the things you can do with the K7500 and some pipe
I had to work under this trailer house while they were setting it.
Hey, if I had a K-60 I could have just crawled under it in all the sewage and fed cable but "NO" I use the 7500 and let it feed the cable from out in the open while I set on my bucket ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497063008_1302_00_.jpg

Anyway Durs Cable is dodging me. They were to call me back with return info this morning but the office said they didn't call....hummmmmmm

They asked me what was wrong with their cable and I told em it cant keep up with the Ridgid cable I have been using and it`s all twisted up like it`s 2 years old.
Mike told me he`s got many users that use a K-7500 and never has seen this before... Yea Right.
Anyway, I`ll call em one last time tomorrow and see if I get the return info. If not their name will be mud all over the internet for sure ;)

[Drain Medic]

Well I have returned from the long day of 17 sewer cleanings at the food processing plant.
All went well and time was cut to 20 to 25 minutes a 125` run.

I will never use Dura cable again. My helper told me if I was to try it again he would kick the crap out of me

Don't this look good!!!! :D
For MrsSeatDown Notice the UPS Parking :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_1205_00_.jpg

And now for a little work inside the building. The machine is 3.5 feet from the C/O
Do that with a K-60 and run 125` ;) J/K

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_0853_00_.jpg

Notice how CLEAN the area is ;) They don't like sewer machines that leave a mess around their clean plant....

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_1006_00_.jpg

I wouldn't have this job if it wasn't for the K-7500 as they own a 1500 and don't want it inside the plant because of the mess it leaves behind.

Anyway after all the C/O`s the cable still looks "NEW" and this was the site that put the KILL on the Dura Cable just 30 days a go ;)


Is that a Landscaping company vehicle :lmao:

Food processing plant, no way to get the jetter in there???

[All Clear Sewer]

We use the jetter on the outside line that is always full of butter.

Is that a Landscaping company vehicle
Was today as I was fixing another plumbers screw-up.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497070108_1415_00_-med.jpg

Smashed Septic Tank that`s only a few months old
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497070108_1415_01_-med.jpg

And tomorrow I go clean up the mess they left when they did the install so I guess it is a sewer & Landscaping company vehicle :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497070108_1836_00_-med.jpg

[plumberscrack]

Nice sandals...are they OSHA approved?

[All Clear Sewer]

WOW I even has em on in that picture....rotflmao
some times I even take em off so I dont get mud on the mini :D

We have this guy for all the off tractor work :killingme:
He`s got his boots on ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497070108_1403_00_-med.jpg

[JCsPlumbing]

Isn't that one of those "not worth a damn" poly tanks?

J.C.

[All Clear Sewer]

Yep and the top let go when they were back filling I guess???? We`v never had that problem and we have dropped em 30" below the grade. They must have not filled it first or tried to pack it with the backhoe?
That thing was all smashed to $^%&

[JCsPlumbing]

We don't use them here. I don't know if anyone does. We use concrete tanks.

J.C.

[All Clear Sewer]

I don't like em at all but some people just wont spring for a good Concrete Tank.

There's to many cut-throat`s around here. As you see the job they left behind ;)
I always tell em you can pay me to do the job right or you can pay me to come correct the problems when the other plumbers get done.
Then they say, "Well so and so is cheaper" I tell em,
use em and here's my card when your problems start :dance:
Kinda the "pay me now or pay me later but your gonna be paying me more later" thing :D

[stxrus]

no poly tanks here. concrete only. a local company advertises, "we build bunkers" for their tanks

steve

[All Clear Sewer]

:rant-on: Dura Cable called me and said "NO REFUND" as the cable is used up.....DUHHHHHHHHHHH :banghead:

I said "yea and it`s like what, 30 days old...hummmmmmmm"
Junk crap and a complete rip off !!!! :smack-head:
They are gonna send me 100` of the wire IC cable but will not refund on the I/C crap....errrrrrr :mad:

He told me it`s not made for a machine like the K-7500 DUHHHHHHHHHHH :speechless:

I told him I ordered the wire core but mike told me he wanted me to try the I/C even after I told him I only use a K-7500....eeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

He said thats the best I can do, I said well I guess you can send it as thats better then nothing. :shrug:

Anyone want to buy 100` of Dura Cable wire core??? I`m NOT gonna use it I`m thinking E Bay to recoup some of my losses from dealing with a company like them.

Never, Ever will I Ever Ring their Phones again :nyaa-nyaa4:

Oh yea,
he was also pissed off because it showed up in a Ridgid box :killingme:
I said; well Duhhh, I had to buy a new cable so I could go back to work and I dont keep cable boxes just laying around. I bought a ridgid cable and sent your`s back in that box :D

[Gene Bickford]

Here you go Dura Cable. Heres your POS cable in a Ridgid box. Oh and by the way,:kma:. LOL, I love it

[Josh]

oh yea,
he was also pissed off because it showed up in a ridgid box :killingme:
I said; well duhhh, i had to buy a new cable so i could go back to work and i dont keep cable boxes just laying around. I bought a ridgid cable and sent your`s back in that box :d

nice :D

[wrench spinner]

Oh yea,
he was also pissed off because it showed up in a Ridgid box :killingme:
I said; well Duhhh, I had to buy a new cable so I could go back to work and I dont keep cable boxes just laying around. I bought a ridgid cable and sent your`s back in that box :D

That is awesome!!!!:bash:

[All Clear Sewer]

I got a bill from UPS the other day because "Dura Crap Cable Company" now has refused to pay the freight billing on the cable return.

Think I`ll send the bill back to em in a Ridgid box :killingme:
They seem to like that ;)

Dura cable is a real "POS Company" to deal with if you ask me. :nono:

This will cost em as I`m gonna run my mouth like a woman in a beauty shop :D

30 day`s and the cable is warn out and they say,
we cant do anything because it`s warn out....rotFflmao :killingme: OMG

Like I would have sent in a good cable with no problems. The bastards said the operator must have not known what they were doing to do that to such a good cable so fast.... :eek:

OMG... I wanted to yank that guy through the phone and smash his face. I bet he`s never cleaned a sewer in his life and to try to pass of such a BS statement like that is just the icing on the Cake.

What a POS Company!

I find it funny my Ridgid cable still looks good after 30 days of HARD work :D

NEVER, EVER, AGAIN will I ever darken their phone lines to order anything!

[JCsPlumbing]

I would send them a bill for the downtime you had because of the problems you had with your cable.

I knew a contractor that went to the doctor and waited in the waiting room for an hour past his appointment. So he told the desk person he had to go, which he did. The doctor had the nerve to send him a bill for failure to keep the appointment.

So he sent the doc a bill for failure to keep the appointment for twice as much. Neither payed and that was the end of it.

J.C.

[plumberjr]

i use only ridgid cable in my machines---too many horror stories about duracable and others--plus,ridgid factory is a 1/2 mile away:D:D
i have a friend that used only duracable for a few years until it started kinking and breaking on him all the time--talked him into the ridgid cable and not a complaint since---keep up the good work ridgid!!!
also ridgid has an advantage on all other companies--the sewers in elyria are crap--the best testing facility is under their feet in the factory!!!!:D:D:D