An excellent career opportunity in Fresno, Ca

[spodelee]

If you have interest in an excellent career opportunity in Fresno, CA, please follow this link:

http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?Job_DID=J8G0LM6JGXG200130QP&siteid=cb_emailjob_US

[drtyhands]

I'm thinking....Please Hold.

[DuckButter]

I'm thinking....Please Hold.
It's been 8 hours Adam.....

[DUNBAR]

$24-30/hour isn't a living in this day and age...it really isn't.


And in CA where it takes you 2 hours to get to work, sitting in traffic?

Skew dat! I'd rather sell rice pudding on ebay!

[spodelee]

$24-30/hour isn't a living in this day and age...it really isn't.


And in CA where it takes you 2 hours to get to work, sitting in traffic?

Skew dat! I'd rather sell rice pudding on ebay!

Not in Fresno, we are everything Los Angeles & San Francisco isn't. No high rent or traffic jams here. Plenty of room & good people. Non existent humidity, 60-80 degrees six months out of the year., one hour from Yosemite National Park, two hours from the beach, 45 minutes from the snow, 4 hours from the desert. Skiing, hiking, cycling, fishing, hunting, golf... oh boy do we have golf and cheap. We have our problems, but we are definitely the best kept secret in California. Plus, Fresno State just won the college baseball championship! BTW - it pays 24-35 per hour, not 24-30, and that's not the only position that pays 35, which may not go far in San Fran or LA, but goes a long way in this part of the country.

[garager]

* Acceptable driving record :rolleyes:

This means what? You haven't killed anyone lately while driving.....

That would be good pay, up here in MN. Then the benefits which gets added in there, would make it an awesome pay. But I'll stick to my wood butchering day job, smells better too.... :D :D :D

[JCsPlumbing]

$24-30/hour isn't a living in this day and age...it really isn't.


And in CA where it takes you 2 hours to get to work, sitting in traffic?

Skew dat! I'd rather sell rice pudding on ebay!

No disrespect Dunbar, but what do you pay your employees in KY? Or if you have none, what would you?

Also, it's spodelee's business. He can pay $5/hr. or $500.00/hr. if he wants and it's kind of none of our business to criticize. And remember, this is his first emplyee towards his plumbing side. If things go well, he might look to increase their salary quickly.

All I'm saying is he's taking a pretty good risk and chance that's costing him more up front than any employee.

Give him a break.

J.C.

P.S. alot of shops in N.C. will MAX OUT your salary at $25.00/hr. last I checked. :eek::eek::eek: And yes I know the differences in economies between Cali. & N.C. Good luck Spodelee! :)

[ToUtahNow]

No disrespect Dunbar, but what do you pay your employees in KY? Or if you have none, what would you?

Also, it's spodelee's business. He can pay $5/hr. or $500.00/hr. if he wants and it's kind of none of our business to criticize. And remember, this is his first emplyee towards his plumbing side. If things go well, he might look to increase their salary quickly.

All I'm saying is he's taking a pretty good risk and chance that's costing him more up front than any employee.

Give him a break.

J.C.

P.S. alot of shops in N.C. will MAX OUT your salary at $25.00/hr. last I checked. :eek::eek::eek: And yes I know the differences in economies between Cali. & N.C. Good luck Spodelee! :)

For those who are not from California Fresno is a farming community which has grown up. The cost of living is no where near what the costs would be in a large city. The wages he is offering would be considered great pay for the area.

Mark

[spodelee]

* Acceptable driving record :rolleyes:

This means what? You haven't killed anyone lately while driving.....

That would be good pay, up here in MN. Then the benefits which gets added in there, would make it an awesome pay. But I'll stick to my wood butchering day job, smells better too.... :D :D :D

Acceptable to our insurance company - which means we pay less for our insurance in return for employees with good driving records; no DUI's, wreckless driving, multiple speeding tickets, etc... Our GPS system on the trucks helps keep costs down too.

After breathing smoke for several days because of California wildfires 300 miles north and south of me, I think I could go for a place that smells better too! Looking and smelling better today though.

[gear junkie]

That sounds like a good deal. If I wasn't in the navy, I think I might just visit Fresno for a spell.

[drtyhands]

Ain't enough for a guy to start a family life over here:D

[gear junkie]

I know but when you get out the navy, they'll move you where you want to go in the continentel US.

[Devine Plumbing]

I'm packing my bags. CA here I come!!

[Gene Bickford]

If you offered $24/hr starting pay in Maine, you'd have to hire the police to control all the traffic and prevent a riot:outtahere:

[spodelee]

I'm packing my bags. CA here I come!!

Oh my, what did I get myself into...

Fresno sucks. The air quality is terrible and bums are everywhere. I have to sleep with a 45 under my pillow. Rent starts at 3000 a month and skiing, golfing and fishing have been banned by the county.

LOL - just kiddin'! :D

[drtyhands]

Oh my, what did I get myself into...

Fresno sucks. The air quality is terrible and bums are everywhere. I have to sleep with a 45 under my pillow. Rent starts at 3000 a month and skiing, golfing and fishing have been banned by the county.

LOL - just kiddin'! :D:rotflmao1::rotflmao1::rotflmao1:

[All Clear Sewer]

No disrespect Dunbar, but what do you pay your employees in KY? Or if you have none, what would you?

Also, it's spodelee's business. He can pay $5/hr. or $500.00/hr. if he wants and it's kind of none of our business to criticize. And remember, this is his first emplyee towards his plumbing side. If things go well, he might look to increase their salary quickly.

All I'm saying is he's taking a pretty good risk and chance that's costing him more up front than any employee.

Give him a break.

J.C.

P.S. alot of shops in N.C. will MAX OUT your salary at $25.00/hr. last I checked. :eek::eek::eek: And yes I know the differences in economies between Cali. & N.C. Good luck Spodelee! :)

I pay my master Plumber $50.00 an hour or 1/2 of what the job makes and we are in Kansas for god sakes. It`s the land of minimum wage @ 5.85 an hour.
If he was only a Journeyman I would only pay him 15 to 20.00 an hour.
He`s got to have a master plumber to be able to do plumbing and they aint cheap ;)

[drtyhands]

I pay my master Plumber $50.00 an hour or 1/2 of what the job makes and we are in Kansas for god sakes. It`s the land of minimum wage @ 5.85 an hour.

You're getting a deal,hold on to it.
;)

[All Clear Sewer]

Trust me I am :D he`s always saying that`s to much come payday and I just tell em, take it we`ll make more ;)

[JCsPlumbing]

You're getting a deal,hold on to it.
;)

That is a good deal. I'd charge more than that. :) But a shop "owner" here will not pay an employee more than $25/hr. last I checked. Regardless of license and experience. :confused:

But that is an employee with all the expenses a company has to handle involving having that employee. Insurance, vehicle, insurance on that vehicle, taxes, etc.

Not just subcontracting a licensed individual.

J.C.

[All Clear Sewer]

That is a good deal. I'd charge more than that. :)

J.C.
With my master plumber I go 1/2 on many jobs, some that are 25,000.00.
Our job at Wal-Mart was 13,000.00 and we only had about 30 hours in it.
I`d say I pay pretty good and we work off my INS ;)
He owns his own plumbing Co and returns the good job`s as well. It`s how the world should work. You help me and I help you :thumbup:
We have a very good deal between us I think. :thumbup:

[JCsPlumbing]

With my master plumber I go 1/2 on many jobs, some that are 25,000.00.
Our job at Wal-Mart was 13,000.00 and we only had about 30 hours in it.
I`d say I pay pretty good and we work off my INS ;)
He owns his own plumbing Co and returns the good job`s as well. It`s how the world should work. You help me and I help you :thumbup:
We have a very good deal between us I think. :thumbup:

That is a fair deal. I think I might move to Kansas & see if we can make a deal.:wave2:

That way we could argue face to face everyday! ;)

J.C.

[Masterplumb]

With my master plumber I go 1/2 on many jobs, some that are 25,000.00.
Our job at Wal-Mart was 13,000.00 and we only had about 30 hours in it.
I`d say I pay pretty good and we work off my INS ;)
He owns his own plumbing Co and returns the good job`s as well. It`s how the world should work. You help me and I help you :thumbup:
We have a very good deal between us I think. :thumbup:

Thats a no-no here. They call that covering.

[garager]

WE ARE LOOKING FOR A JOURNEYMAN LEVEL PLUMBER WITH NO LESS THAN 5 YEARS OF PROFESSIONAL PLUMBING EXPERIENCE.

I don't think that would be a Master Plumber, and I would also tend to think its a good wage for a 5 yr in the trade. The bennies brings that up to a very decent wage. Maybe it isn't diddly squat in the top major cities, but a man can take care of his family with that. Plus, pay increase when they can prove what they are made of. Less headaches when not having to run a business too...

[spodelee]

Two good prospects thus far - a forked horn with energy and spirit, and a six point with poise and wisdom... hmmm, what's an employer to do? :wink:

[toolaholic]

That's a no no ,in NY ? One more reason We don't live there. If we did ,We'd all be blue ,just like You.

[Masterplumb]

That's a no no ,in NY ? One more reason We don't live there. If we did ,We'd all be blue ,just like You.

You think Im blue? What ever gave you that impression son? Get to the point if you want to say something, otherwise I dont believe I was talking to you.

[boillerman]

I'm packing my bags. CA here I come!!

I think the ad calls for 5 years of Professional Plumbing Experience. But it would be an excellent way for you to get it!

[plumberscrack]

I think the ad calls for 5 years of Professional Plumbing Experience. But it would be an excellent way for you to get it!
:killingme:

[All Clear Sewer]

Thats a no-no here. They call that covering.
Covering what?
When we are on my time it`s my INS, when we are on his time it`s his INS.
He works for me and I work for him.
I`ve never heard of not being able to have more then one job? :eek:

[ToUtahNow]

Covering what?
When we are on my time it`s my INS, when we are on his time it`s his INS.
He works for me and I work for him.
I`ve never heard of not being able to have more then one job? :eek:

Even in California you would be required to have a clear contract showing one is a sub to the other or you could be in trouble.

Mark

[Masterplumb]

Covering what?
When we are on my time it`s my INS, when we are on his time it`s his INS.
He works for me and I work for him.
I`ve never heard of not being able to have more then one job? :eek:

Ok it looks like Ive pissed some off with my comments, so here it goes.

If you are not a licensed plumber, you cant just "hire" a master and consider your company licensed. You are basically just "renting" a master plumber. It is illegal to do that here. If you are not licensed as the owner, how can you properly supervise or direct your "employees"?

It is like you are trying to "pull a fast one" over the licensing board.

I don't know how to state it clearer. I hope you guys get my point. It's almost like you undermine the licensing system.

[garager]

Ok it looks like Ive pissed some off with my comments, so here it goes.

If you are not a licensed plumber, you cant just "hire" a master and consider your company licensed. You are basically just "renting" a master plumber. It is illegal to do that here. If you are not licensed as the owner, how can you properly supervise or direct your "employees"?

It is like you are trying to "pull a fast one" over the licensing board.

I don't know how to state it clearer. I hope you guys get my point. It's almost like you undermine the licensing system.

I do believe this is legal in my state, in fact there is one company in this town that did this for 15-20 years. Until his sons got old enough and went for their license, then the company went off the oldest boy license. Perfectly legal.....

("how can you properly supervise or direct your "employees"?) The master Plumber does the supervising and directs the employees, owner usually does the scheduling and helps with the bids and so forth.....

[All Clear Sewer]

No one pissed here ;)
I see what your saying
I am licensed under him ( I do have a Card with a city number on it in my back pocket at all times, one with his Co and one for my Co in another City) and I also work for him but he also works for me from time to time.
But yes some could and might look at it the way you explained it ;)
It`s all good here ;)
Oh and when he`s on site his Word is over mine so he is the one that is supervising and or directing our employees.
We had that problem with one of my guys asking who they had to listen too....lol
I told em if he says jump you better ask "How High!"
There is only one Chief on site and he is the master plumber!

[Masterplumb]

I do believe this is legal in my state, in fact there is one company in this town that did this for 15-20 years. Until his sons got old enough and went for their license, then the company went off the oldest boy license. Perfectly legal.....

("how can you properly supervise or direct your "employees"?) The master Plumber does the supervising and directs the employees, owner usually does the scheduling and helps with the bids and so forth.....

Im glad I do not reside in your state then. Why even have a license if its legal to just rent a master for a specific job?

Happy renting!

[All Clear Sewer]

So If I called you up and said I have 15 homes that need 200` of sewer laid each you wouldn`t come work for my shop because I pay you to do the job`s?

[Masterplumb]

So If I called you up and said I have 15 homes that need 200` of sewer laid each you wouldn`t come work for my shop because I pay you to do the job`s?

If you own xyz sewers and are not licensed you cant do that job, even if you hire me, Joe Blow, with a masters license. You are trying to rent me. If you sub the job to abc plumbing (Joe Blows COMPANY) then yes I can do the job. So I guess the answer would be no I'm not working for you!

[All Clear Sewer]

Then you`ll miss the boat as I pay some pretty big RENT :)
Rent....lol.... I gonna tell my plumber he`s for rent and see what he say`s tomorrow... :killingme:

[Masterplumb]

Then you`ll miss the boat as I pay some pretty big RENT :)
Rent....lol.... I gonna tell my plumber he`s for rent and see what he say`s tomorrow... :killingme:

I dont think I would be missing the boat. USUALLY if a Master is good he is too busy to be rented. Why would I run the job and do the work and want to give YOU or anyone else for that matter half of the job or worse yet work for you for your $50/hr? :confused:

[All Clear Sewer]

because I get the jobs and I dig the jobs and I back fill the jobs and so on.
It`s cool
I`m for RENT every day, that`s why I get these jobs. every person that calls me is renting me in your books, I call it paying for a service but you call it RENT...hummmm

Is the glass 1/2 full or ??????

[Masterplumb]

because I get the jobs and I dig the jobs and I back fill the jobs and so on.
It`s cool
I`m for RENT every day, that`s why I get these jobs. every person that calls me is renting me in your books, I call it paying for a service but you call it RENT...hummmm

Is the glass 1/2 full or ??????

It is cool. That's what the code/law states here. Bottom line is if the master plumber does not own 51% of the company,and prove it, that company can not do plumbing (legally)

Yes we are all for rent as contractors, but doing what you do here, is considered a crime.

Anyone can dig and backfill!

[All Clear Sewer]

:duck: But Not just anyone can hook the big fish :ok:

[Masterplumb]

:duck: But Not just anyone can hook the big fish :ok:

I truely wish you all the best. I was simply explaining what code here is. Good luck.

[All Clear Sewer]

Don't hate the players, just the game ;)
I understand, It`s cool and it was nice to talk to some one that didn't get their panties in a wad for once :D

[Masterplumb]

Don't hate the players, just the game ;)
I understand, It`s cool and it was nice to talk to some one that didn't get their panties in a wad for once :D

The player?:lmao:

Kansas has players?:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[All Clear Sewer]

I`m the Pimp Daddy here in the wheat fields :killingme:

[Masterplumb]

I`m the Pimp Daddy here in the wheat fields :killingme:

Oh, O.K. player :slap:

[MrsSeatDown]

It`s cool and it was nice to talk to some one that didn't get their panties in a wad for once :D

What's the fun in that?:love:

[All Clear Sewer]

What's the fun in that?:love:

:shrug:

[toolaholic]

Thank's for the Son comment M P . I was probably in the marines ,when You were in Jr high

[toolaholic]

Lets see , I was born in 1943. This is My 47 th year in the trades. Why does a Guy in NY make comments on Ca. license law? I see You're also an expert on Kansas law. Then You call a respected Member of this community , " A dick Head !!! Your tag line , about Your little blue shirt Is an embarassment . And No one, was talking to You either Son

[Masterplumb]

Lets see , I was born in 1943. This is My 47 th year in the trades. Why does a Guy in NY make comments on Ca. license law? I see You're also an expert on Kansas law. Then You call a respected Member of this community , " A dick Head !!! Your tag line , about Your little blue shirt Is an embarassment . And No one, was talking to You either Son

If you can read correctly you will see I never made a comment on California or Kansas licensing law . I guess some people see what they want to see. Where did I call Duckbutter a "D ickhead"? Go back and read it again. What I wrote was written in humor, and if he had a problem with it, Im sure he would have said something to me and not wait for you to stick up for him. As far as my tag line, I dont give a rats a ss what you think. If you dont like what I write then put me on your ignore list, son.

[DuckButter]

Tool, he WAS kidding...we have a dry repore with the humor...maybe you missed my reply to him...we were joking, though his mommy does dress him a lil' funny.
As for the licensing/3 trade rule in Cali...I don't like it either and have made it known with you.
It's nothing personal, but even you agree that it's a foot in the door for inexperienced hacks to move in on work they have no business doing...all due respect for your age & time in the construction biz, I just don't think that rule is right.

[toolaholic]

Thank's Duck,no sweat. As to the 3 trade rule,You don't have to like it. It is My licenceing law ,under My ticket ,not Yours. I built nice little Cape cod homes for $30,000. No contr. License needed in Mass. 1971. That was wrong. I did a good job,some didn;t .Of course ,that was no buss. of anyone in Ca. By the way I passed My C-36 Ca. plumbers Lic. test some years ago. Never got that ticket because all My plumbing was under My Gen. License,Not a plumbing Co. Be well Tool

[myakka]

Hey now toolaholic
1971, did you build my house? We gotta talk about the Canary yellow tub and Pumpkin Orange kitchen counter top you put in!:D. Of course, if you worked on Cape Cod you'll be happy to know they still think they have their own Code and plumbers from off cape should have a passport.:eek:
Keep smiling, your in the land of happy cows!
Mike

[toolaholic]

Hi Myakka As a matter of fact I did. And those colors were in Vouge then with Your long sideburns. My town was N.falmouth. Life was simple $5500 for a 1/2 acre ,1/2 a mile from the beach. Take the bike down, and dig some little Necks. Still have a daughter and 2 grandkids there. Now I'm homesick. If I touched plumbing there ,They'd put Me in Jail!
Plumber from of cape? You will fail the 1st inspection. Cook the bourne insp. was a relative