What I found out about the K-60

[plumberscrack]

Rick called and wanted an update on my K-60

I've had it a week now and this is what I've learned so far.....

After putting 2 coats of wax on, it still gets dirty :rolling-eyes:

The front rubber feet fall off just as fast as the K-50 feet did :mad:

No matter how hard I tried I couldn't get it through a 4" clay running trap at 70 feet out with 7/8" cable. It kept going up. Usually not a problem but the top was covered by concrete sidewalk. The city dug it up and removed the trap. I have a trap leader now. Maybe better results next time with that.

I bought the A-61 tool kit. What is the difference between the T-101 straight auger and the T-125 retreiving auger? a pointy bent end? I'd rather have another spade cutter or a sewer mitt

I end up getting every main stoppage call that comes into our shop now. I somehow was able to avoid this before the K-60 purchase. I don't want to be the go-to sewer guy :p

My 15 year old K-50 has seen her last drain pipe :( but her harvested parts will live on in other machines. I, myself am not a organ donor but I believe it's good for others

The A-17 drum for the K-50 that holds the 5/16" fits perfectly on the K-60. All the hubbub about the K-60 here and NO ONE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE?!!! :rant-on:

Yea, it's total overkill but I don't have 1 inch of space on my truck for a K-39

What have you learned?

[MrsSeatDown]

I have learned you don't send a boy to do a man's job:killingme:

I also learned if the trap had a wood plank on it, you would have gotten through it in 7 seconds;)

Rick is spewing all sorts of replies. He will turn his computer on and reply shortly.

[HVAC HAWK]

bill do you clean it up and take it to dinner and bed with you like rick does :rotflmao1:

[plumberscrack]

bill do you clean it up and take it to dinner and bed with you like rick does :rotflmao1:

I've only known her a week. Our relationship isn't that intimate yet :kiss: I'm taking it slow this time. Besides, I'm still smarting after the loss of my Suzy Sewer (k50) :grin-angelic:

[MrsSeatDown]

bill do you clean it up and take it to dinner and bed with you like rick does :rotflmao1:

I've only known her a week. Our relationship isn't that intimate yet :kiss: I'm taking it slow this time. Besides, I'm still smarting after the loss of my Suzy Sewer (k50) :grin-angelic:

Aren't you 2 jealous?:love::rotflmao:

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick called and wanted an update on my K-60

a phone call would have saved the embarassment:o

I've had it a week now and this is what I've learned so far.....

not much:rolleyes:

After putting 2 coats of wax on, it still gets dirty

it's not a surf board or a car. it's a tool;)

The front rubber feet fall off just as fast as the K-50 feet did

that's the problem, those are the rear feet:D

we are talking about the round crutch tip type feet:confused:

mine never have. try a little bit of glue or caulking;)

No matter how hard I tried I couldn't get it through a 4" clay running trap at 70 feet out with 7/8" cable. It kept going up. Usually not a problem but the top was covered by concrete sidewalk. The city dug it up and removed the trap. I have a trap leader now. Maybe better results next time with that.

seeing that we don't have running traps. but i can picture if it had a c/o it's there for a reason. i think if you try to run in reverse when you hit the trap, it might cause the head to turn down and not up:confused:

by the way, i've mistakenly have gotten my 7/8'' cable and auger through a 2'' trap:eek:

I bought the A-61 tool kit. What is the difference between the T-101 straight auger and the T-125 retreiving auger? a pointy bent end? I'd rather have another spade cutter or a sewer mitt

the straight 101 is a tighter same diameter auger.

the 125 is a flared out auger designed to funnel the object into the center.

i never use the sewer mitts;)

but a t-111 spiral sawcutter is the bomb;)



I end up getting every main stoppage call that comes into our shop now. I somehow was able to avoid this before the K-60 purchase. I don't want to be the go-to sewer guy

why not, i'm the go to guy:confused:

My 15 year old K-50 has seen her last drain pipe but her harvested parts will live on in other machines. I, myself am not a organ donor but I believe it's good for others

The A-17 drum for the K-50 that holds the 5/16" fits perfectly on the K-60. All the hubbub about the K-60 here and NO ONE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE?!!!

as i've mentioned before, i don't use the drum adapters.

just make sure that you run the machine in reverse since your're running it from the back end;)

Yea, it's total overkill but I don't have 1 inch of space on my truck for a K-39

What have you learned?

i don't know how you ever beat me in the board buster contest:confused:

i think adam pre-slit the board for you. he does carry that pocket knive for a reason;)

told you, you should have called. wait till allclear gets a run of this:D

rick.

[HVAC HAWK]

Aren't you 2 jealous?:love::rotflmao:

yes i am rick is mine :nyaa-nyaa4:

[MrsSeatDown]

yes i am rick is mine :nyaa-nyaa4:

Rick, :packed:. It was nice knowing ya:p

[PLUMBER RICK]

yes i am rick is mine :nyaa-nyaa4:

Rick, :packed:. It was nice knowing ya:p

charlie, a little ice cream and we can make fireworks:grin-devilish::blush:

rick.

[HVAC HAWK]

Rick, :packed:. It was nice knowing ya:p

:shocked2: :help: :shocked:

[MrsSeatDown]

:shocked2: :help: :shocked:

There are no refunds! As is! All sales final!:nyaa-nyaa4:

[HVAC HAWK]

There are no refunds! As is! All sales final!:nyaa-nyaa4:

ok but you will miss him :eek:

[MrsSeatDown]

ok but you will miss him :eek:

I'll take my chances:D

[PLUMBER RICK]

hey, how about a dowry:confused:

and cows are joeys favorite:D

joey make sure you feed baxter:running-dog:

rick.

[HouseOfAtlas]

just make sure that you run the machine in reverse since your're running it from the back end;)

LOL! I guess its possible to mix up the front and back if one doesn't attach the REAR guide hose to tell which one is the front and which is the back.

[gear junkie]

So the k50 drum adapter works in the k60? I mentioned this as a suggestion but I never thought to just see if it fit.

My rubber feet haven't fallen off yet. Cutters you need to buy;
-the 4 bladed cutters, big and small(same as on the back of the roundup shirt) I love this blade as it skips offsets very easily.
-some innercore cable.
-a 6" 3/16 screwdriver. You don't even need to cut the tip. It works as is and much better when using thick gloves.

[gear junkie]

I bought the A-61 tool kit. What is the difference between the T-101 straight auger and the T-125 retreiving auger? a pointy bent end? I'd rather have another spade cutter or a sewer mitt

The catalog is wrong. It shows the 125 as a funnel auger like Rick described. What is shipped is a straight auger with a bent tip. I think the wind is different so the retriving auger actually screws in when in reverse.

[ToUtahNow]

So the k50 drum adapter works in the k60? I mentioned this as a suggestion but I never thought to just see if it fit.

My rubber feet haven't fallen off yet. Cutters you need to buy;
-the 4 bladed cutters, big and small(same as on the back of the roundup shirt) I love this blade as it skips offsets very easily.
-some innercore cable.
-a 6" 3/16 screwdriver. You don't even need to cut the tip. It works as is and much better when using thick gloves.

Only because he was using his machine backwards.

Mark

[plumberscrack]

So the k50 drum adapter works in the k60? I mentioned this as a suggestion but I never thought to just see if it fit.

My rubber feet haven't fallen off yet. Cutters you need to buy;
-the 4 bladed cutters, big and small(same as on the back of the roundup shirt) I love this blade as it skips offsets very easily.
-some innercore cable.
-a 6" 3/16 screwdriver. You don't even need to cut the tip. It works as is and much better when using thick gloves.

I saw the thread where you suggested this and that's why I was so surprised that no one had tried it.
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13140

I was looking for a place to store my k50 drum so I shoved it on the K60 and what do ya know, it fit!

The catalog is wrong. It shows the 125 as a funnel auger like Rick described. What is shipped is a straight auger with a bent tip. I think the wind is different so the retriving auger actually screws in when in reverse.

For clarity sake I posted pictures of what was shipped in the tool kit. Please label them with their respective numbers

3649

3650

3651

This is where the confusion starts.....

The one on the left has a slightly more open wind to it but not much at all to make a difference. And a flat tip that's flared out some.

The one on the right (tighter wound) has the tip sharpened to a point. Both are wound in same direction too. They both seem so similar to one another. Seems a little redundant to include both in the A-61 tool kit. Give me a 4 blade saw tooth instead.


3652

[PLUMBER RICK]

3649 t-107 spade cutter 1.75''

3650 t-150 -1 3'' or t-150- 2 4'' sharktooth cutter

3651 t-102 funnel auger



3652 the left one is suppose to be the t-125 retrieving auger. different than the picture and different than what is used on the 7500.

the one on the right is the t-101 straight auger.

you still need the t-111 -3'' spiral sharktooth cutter and the

t-113 3'' 4 blade cutter.

and the k-60 needs a weekly feeding of roots to make her happy:D

rick.

[gear junkie]

Bill, you're a genius. I tried the adapter and it worked just fine. When I made the suggestion, I didn't have the k50 at the time to try it out. Mark you lose, the K60 is the most versitile machine, it can run 5/16, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8.

My retriver auger looks different. My camera is broke and will post pics once I get a new one.

[MrsSeatDown]

the K60 is the most versitile machine,

Fred thinks so too;)

[plumberscrack]

Bill, you're a genius. I tried the adapter and it worked just fine. When I made the suggestion, I didn't have the k50 at the time to try it out. Mark you lose, the K60 is the most versitile machine, it can run 5/16, 3/8, 5/8, 7/8.

My retriver auger looks different. My camera is broke and will post pics once I get a new one.

No Ben not a genius :rolling-eyes: Just a guy that stands on the shoulders of giants ;)

Like Mr Reese that stumbled with his chocolate bar and fell into some peanut butter :grin:

Did you just call our Pimp Daddy of plumbing a loser? :nanner:

[MrsSeatDown]

No Ben not a genius :rolling-eyes: Just a guy that stands on the shoulders of giants ;)

Like Mr Reese that stumbled with his chocolate bar and fell into some peanut butter :grin: Is that really how it happened?:p

Did you just call our Pimp Daddy of plumbing a loser? :nanner:

:killingme:
Crack is back!:rotflmao1:

[All Clear Sewer]

wait till allclear gets a run of this:D

rick.

Run of WHAT? :shrug: How much time a K-60 takes?

I just did a kitchen line that you would have used your 60 on and I was done in less then 5 minutes. I used my cheap Lows, Cobra free standing top snake with 5/16 cable. One trip in with less then 15lbs of tools ;)
Seem`s the mother in-law came over and cleaned some corn on the cob for em....rotflamo

Rick I have a drum machine for every vent,C/O and main line out there ;)
I`m in and out before you can get all set-up with a k :turtle: 60

[gear junkie]

Did you just call our Pimp Daddy of plumbing a loser? :nanner:
Your not dragging me into that gay $hit with you and Rick (almost forgot Charlie). I could never disrespect the sectional godfather. Instigator.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Run of WHAT? :shrug: How much time a K-60 takes?

I just did a kitchen line that you would have used your 60 on and I was done in less then 5 minutes. I used my cheap Lows, Cobra free standing top snake with 5/16 cable. One trip in with less then 15lbs of tools ;)
Seem`s the mother in-law came over and cleaned some corn on the cob for em....rotflamo

Rick I have a drum machine for every vent,C/O and main line out there ;)
I`m in and out before you can get all set-up with a k :turtle: 60

i too did a kitchen sink today and i still beat you. used a k-39 down the tailpiece and was cleared in under 1 minute. outside c/o was ok.


the difference is your 5/16'' cable will not ever come close to the cleaning i can do with my 5/8'' cable and cutters. all that you've accomplished is pocking a hole and stirring a hole in the muck.

if you don't believe me, try putting a 1'' 4 blade cutter on your 5/16'' cable and see if it will get through.

rick.

[MrsSeatDown]

Your not dragging me into that gay $hit with you and Rick (almost forgot Charlie).

He's right crack. Ben is protected under "don't ask, don't tell":nyaa-nyaa4:

[gear junkie]

He's right crack. Ben is protected under "don't ask, don't tell":nyaa-nyaa4:
:grin:
One of these days, your humor has to rub off on Rick. Maybe oneday Rick will be as funny as you. Nah, I don't think it'll happen either.

[All Clear Sewer]

Ricky, Ricky , Ricky what am I gonna do with you????
How many times have I told you that I do have blades for my 5/16????
And I can go 50` to 75` not just 35` like the 39 ;)
I`ll put on my bent leader and do just as good if not better of a job then you will with your 50 ;)
Never been called back on a small line yet ;) Knock on wood as now the phone will start to ring with 1 1/2 and 2" come backs :killingme:

[ToUtahNow]

Ricky, Ricky , Ricky what am I gonna do with you????
How many times have I told you that I do have blades for my 5/16????
And I can go 50` to 75` not just 35` like the 39 ;)
I`ll put on my bent leader and do just as good if not better of a job then you will with your 50 ;)
Never been called back on a small line yet ;) Knock on wood as now the phone will start to ring with 1 1/2 and 2" come backs :killingme:

Not this argument again :eek:. As I recall last time you have the blade you just don't use it (or something like that). Please do everyone a favor and go borrow a K-50 with some 5/8" cable. There is no way your 5/16" cable could possibly come close to the effectiveness of the 5/8" cable. If it could we would all be using the sissy cable as well as it is much faster to get off the job. The key to drain cleaning is to own a full arsenal of equipment. Having the right machine for each job is the best way to achieve the optimum outcome.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

Mark what would you say the effectiveness should be??? 1 year between cleaning or 2 or 3 or ect" " " " "

I only have one customer that get`s their kitchen sink line cleaned more then once every 2 to 3 years and she say`s she has enough money to see me every 3 months and she`s not gonna stop dumping grease down her sink.

I`d say the bent leader must do a pretty good job ;)

[ToUtahNow]

Mark what would you say the effectiveness should be??? 1 year between cleaning or 2 or 3 or ect" " " " "

I only have one customer that get`s their kitchen sink line cleaned more then once every 2 to 3 years and she say`s she has enough money to see me every 3 months and she`s not gonna stop dumping grease down her sink.

I`d say the bent leader must do a pretty good job ;)

I don't doubt it does a pretty good job but the simple mechanics of it must tell you an open wound 5/8" cable has more cleaning (+ collecting) surface than a tight wound 5/16" cable does. I have 5/16" cable in my K-39 and one of my K-50 canisters so I know what they can do when properly used but it does not take anything away from an open wind 5/8" cable.

Mark

[gear junkie]

Now it's getting interesting. What do you gotta say about that Steve??

See Bill, this how you instigate. High five.

[plumberscrack]

Now it's getting interesting. What do you gotta say about that Steve??

See Bill, this how you instigate. High five.
:bravo:

[All Clear Sewer]

Mark, so what's the time line to figure out if the customer is getting their moneys worth??? :shrug:

I can go out to the trailer and get ya a picture of the open wound leader with a pile of stuff wound up in it :D

I keep hearing about this open wound cable carp, I would rather chop up stuff and send it down the line then have it pull out and make a mess.

With the bent-up leader I am scraping the walls of the pipe and screwing in to the clog at the same time. When the clog gets stuck on the open wound leader it`s like wiping the pipe when I`m pulling back. I dont have a bunch of crap to pull off the cable as it`s all stuck on the end of the cable. Less mess!!!

BTW the leader is open wound ;) now what's you gotta say about that ..... ;)

How`s that Ben :killingme:

[All Clear Sewer]

I got ya the picture anyway just because I know Ben would have said "Go get the picture" :killingme:
This is from the Corn on the Cob drain clean from yesterday ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040666-med.JPG

[plumberscrack]

Everybody's pipes are different and so are their kitchen sink habits. 6 months, one year, 3 years, 5 years in between stoppages, doesn't matter.

If you are using the 5/16" cable in say a tub drain you DO want to pull stuff back but in a kitchen sink drain I doubt you can (or would want to) pull back grease and food debris. If it made it through the disposal, send it on down. In this case no matter what head you use, the larger more open wound cable would do a better job of scrubbing the pipe walls.

Just seems to make sense to me. Right? :scratchhead:

I don't know you all have had your snakes down in more holes than me :rolling-eyes:

[ToUtahNow]

Mark, so what's the time line to figure out if the customer is getting their moneys worth??? :shrug:

I can go out to the trailer and get ya a picture of the open wound leader with a pile of stuff wound up in it :D

I keep hearing about this open wound cable carp, I would rather chop up stuff and send it down the line then have it pull out and make a mess.

With the bent-up leader I am scraping the walls of the pipe and screwing in to the clog at the same time. When the clog gets stuck on the open wound leader it`s like wiping the pipe when I`m pulling back. I dont have a bunch of crap to pull off the cable as it`s all stuck on the end of the cable. Less mess!!!

BTW the leader is open wound ;) now what's you gotta say about that ..... ;)

How`s that Ben :killingme:

Consider your 2" of open wound leader being 50' long and you know have a open wound cable just smaller. You do not pull a bunch of "crap" back with you as the open wound cable does not retain the "crap". I'm not like Rick who might tell you mine is the only way to go but I will tell you don't discount it because you don't own it.

Mark

[gear junkie]

Mark, so what's the time line to figure out if the customer is getting their moneys worth??? :shrug:

I can go out to the trailer and get ya a picture of the open wound leader with a pile of stuff wound up in it :D

I keep hearing about this open wound cable carp, I would rather chop up stuff and send it down the line then have it pull out and make a mess.

With the bent-up leader I am scraping the walls of the pipe and screwing in to the clog at the same time. When the clog gets stuck on the open wound leader it`s like wiping the pipe when I`m pulling back. I dont have a bunch of crap to pull off the cable as it`s all stuck on the end of the cable. Less mess!!!

BTW the leader is open wound ;) now what's you gotta say about that ..... ;)

How`s that Ben :killingme:
Actually kinda disapointed. I thought you would've come up with something better.

To comment on something useful so I'm not just the "instigator"; bending the leader is fine, no problem, but it only cleans at 2 points. Where the tip and bent cable touches the wall. The open wind really grabs anything in the pipe much better than a drum cable. Why would you want to bring anything back? So the pushed blockage doesn't cause more problems downstream. But all this talk is relative. How clean does a pipe need to be? We could go to the extreme and say everything must be jetted. Will the bent cable lean a pipe? Yes, but as good as a open wind? No, but it'll work and it doesn't make you a hack for using the bent cable. I have one myself for my k39.

One good point Mark brought up is that until you tried it, don't knock it.

[gear junkie]

I got ya the picture anyway just because I know Ben would have said "Go get the picture" :killingme:
This is from the Corn on the Cob drain clean from yesterday ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040666-med.JPGThis drain also had a grease problem due to the color of the grease. It won't turn black like than overnight. The corn husk was just the final straw.

[MrsSeatDown]

This drain also had a grease problem due to the color of the grease. It won't turn black like than overnight. The corn husk was just the final straw.

Ha Ben! I said the same thing out loud hours ago:p But only Rick heard me :rolleyes: Next time I'll write it down for posterity:D

That corn husk should not be black and slimy:barf:

[gear junkie]

Ha Ben! I said the same thing out loud hours ago:p But only Rick heard me :rolleyes: Next time I'll write it down for posterity:D

That corn husk should not be black and slimy:barf:I doubt Rick heard you as he was probably thinking out loud of some corny jokes(no pun intended).

[All Clear Sewer]

yes, that black stuff is grease but it didn't have a grease problem ;)
It had a 1 1/2 copper drain line with a 90 at the stack.
The Corn husk didn't make the 90 and caused the clog.
I have never done a kitchen sink line that didn't have grease residue but this one didn't have much build-up and I cant see how a open wound cable could have done any better of a job. :groucho:

If your working a grease clog the only right way is to jet or degrease with a nonacid degreaser . Not an open wound cable ;)

BTW ....for some reason there is some misconception about me and sectional machines, like I haven't ever used one or something....rotflmao

Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I haven't ever used one ;)

Long Live the Drum machines :killingme:

[DUNBAR]

Mark, so what's the time line to figure out if the customer is getting their moneys worth??? :shrug:

I can go out to the trailer and get ya a picture of the open wound leader with a pile of stuff wound up in it :D

I keep hearing about this open wound cable carp, I would rather chop up stuff and send it down the line then have it pull out and make a mess.

With the bent-up leader I am scraping the walls of the pipe and screwing in to the clog at the same time. When the clog gets stuck on the open wound leader it`s like wiping the pipe when I`m pulling back. I dont have a bunch of crap to pull off the cable as it`s all stuck on the end of the cable. Less mess!!!

BTW the leader is open wound ;) now what's you gotta say about that ..... ;)

How`s that Ben :killingme:



Those two reasons above is why I pulled completely away from the sectional machines. I've been there done that and I for the life of me cannot understand what token of merit you get for retrieving debris from the drain when completing the task...........???


The objective is to clear the drain, that's it. Somewhere it the midst of all these convo's is why you was there in the first place. Reason? It's a faulty piping system or it is being incorrectly used and no matter if you clean that pipe spic and span.....it's going to eventually return to the condition you was called out to clear it.


And if you cleaned it soooooooo good, where's the job security of a drain that doesn't need cleaned for 5 years now instead of one? Everyone gets a pat on the back for a good job but drain cleaning is what it is.

That lady that I didn't have time for to replace her piping?

No peace of mind for that poor woman, she knows that the drain cleaning is borrowed time on when it will happen again. Pipe replacement is the only satisfaction in a situation like that.


BTW, I lugged my 300 with 107' of inner-core cable in my box van today without the fear of hatred of it being heavy. Not physically touching the cable on the outgoing and return letting the machine do everything in auto-pilot makes me a well rested drain cleaner. No cleaning cables in a driveway contaminating up the neighborhood either with a garden hose.



Ryan Seacrest


OUT!

[gear junkie]

BTW ....for some reason there is some misconception about me and sectional machines, like I haven't ever used one or something....rotflmao

Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I haven't ever used one ;)


But Steve, if you owned one and used it, you would see the advantages. Using it one or two times doesn't really help you understand it's advantages.

I used it today in a home with wall to wall white carpet. Not a drop anywhere because I picked everything up and carried it over the carpet. When I got done, I wrapped the carrier with the tarp it was laying on and it worked great. I got done in 2 hours-pull/reset toilet, and inspection and snaking the line. Was I sweating a bit more than you would've been? Yes, but back doesn't hurt and I didn't leave wheel track marks on their carpet.

One day you'll see the light and ask us why we didn't tell you about sectionals earlier.

[All Clear Sewer]

One day you'll see the light and ask us why we didn't tell you about sectionals earlier.
I dont think so :nyaa-nyaa4:

And my back don't hurt from moving the K-7500 either ;) It`s from being so rested up from not sticking cables together I had a wild weekend and it had nothing to do with sewers ;)
Some of us don't sleep with our sewer machines :killingme:

Now if I had to carry a basket of cable in one hand and a machine in the other hand, my back would hurt all the time ;)

[gear junkie]

I dont think so :nyaa-nyaa4:

And my back don't hurt from moving the K-7500 either ;) It`s from being so rested up from not sticking cables together I had a wild weekend and it had nothing to do with sewers ;) I think you're making stuff up now, need pictures, lots of pictures. Video is even better. Don't hold out on us.
Some of us don't sleep with our sewer machines :killingme:
That's Rick not me. He has his oddities but we've learned to accept him; just like we accepted you.

[All Clear Sewer]

well we did make a view Videos :D I guess I post em on youtube and link em here :killingme: