UFC Fans

[MrsSeatDown]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-071508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

So is this guy gonna bring in better ratings and new viewers on his next fight now?

[woodenstickers]

Wow. He was already a huge draw, a superstar in Japan too. Probably makes a ton off of endorsements too.

One interesting thing is he was just on a reality show as a coach and they kicked one of the young contenders off the show and out of the UFC because of disorderly conduct. Jacksons comment to the UFC president was along the lines of "you don't want someone like that representing your company."

I always kind of wondered about athletes in the spotlight. Just because they can throw a ball or run fast or punch people really well they are expected to be role models. There is no reason to expect that they are good people just because they are good at sports.

I hope nobody was hurt in the accident.


Eli

[MrsSeatDown]

I don't think so. They always televise car chases here. The person ALWAYS gets caught. This dummy started on a flat tire-how far did he think he would get?

The UFC Pres bailed him out, so he can't be too displeased with his behavior:rolleyes:

[garager]

Ba ba ba bad to the bone..... :D :D :D

Born Renegade, thats what some people are.....

[NHMaster3015]

I just love the UFC. look how far you can get in life just by being a thug. Most of these guys, along with the league president, belong in jail.

I'm a bit sensitive about the issue because shows like this are watched primarily by young men, who see this crap and glorify it. We have to break up at least 4 or 5 fights a week and I imagine in the inner city schools it's even worse. What these shows do is let kids believe that this kind of behavior is normal and acceptable when it is not. The sheer brutality of the so called sport is just shy of the Roman collaseum days as the public grows more blood thirsty. No one watches this garbage because the contestants are highly skilled athletes. They watch it to see blood. See someone beaten half to death. There is no sport here, only savage behavoir supported by unmitigated greed. I hope they put the SOB in jail for a long time, but I doubt they will.

[gear junkie]

I think that Quinton will get a 6 month suspension that will be publicized but since the fighters usually go 6-8 months between fights, I doubt this will affect his career. Dana White has done a lot to legitimize mixed martial arts (MMA) by internal drug testing, revised rules, etc. Recently 2 of the top fighters got banned and belts taken away due to steriod use. Did this make mainstream news? No, because their was no outside investigation, no contervesy. The ufc handles it's own business.

I view MMA as a physical chess match. Move the guy's arm and attack his leg. Oppenent knows this so he guards his leg and and his arm, etc. Let's talk brutality; apparently, fifty three boxers died around the world between 2000-2005. Boxers die all the time. MMA has had 2 deaths that I'm aware of-one was in Russia and the other was in houston. I think boxing is brutal and pointless. Let's punch someone in the head until he collapses. That's the entire strategy. In MMA there are top rated fighters who have never scored a knockout.

As far as people watching MMA to see blood or a knockout, what's the difference between that and Nascar or hockey? Like it or not, MMA is here to stay and I think is a positive sport in America.

[Frankiarmz]

People think Professional wrestlers are a joke but ask the many police officers who tried arrest them over the years. I remember one story roughly fifteen or twenty years ago involving Ken Patera, former olympic weightlifter turned pro wrestler. He and another wrestler started tearing up a place and they hurt a lot of people including fifteen or so police officers. I believe any well trained martial artist has the upper hand in a fight against an untrained opponent. Fighting is a blood sport wheter it's wrestling, boxing, kick boxing or MMA. I enjoy the science/sport combined with physical talent but at some point it becomes blood lust. How many times do we need to see the same two evenly matched opponents hurt eachother? Then there's the risk to the public and law enforcement, in spite of all our laws our environment is made more dangerous with so many well trained fighters. Road rage is all too comon nowadays and if limited to some verbal exchange or finger gestures it remains relatively harmless, put someone who is well versed in chokes, take downs, and the rest of a fighting arsenal and you have a recipe for disaster. Should be interesting when all these guys start to suffer from dementia. I don't mean to be disrespectful but we are encouraging more and more people to be very competant at hurting others. I still remember leaving the movie theatre after a Bruce Lee movie, man you had to be able to fight real well or run real fast back then. Has society learned anything since the movie "The Harder They Fall"? I'll end this on a funny note, "Cover The Face Ralph", anyone remember?

[NHMaster3015]

You are absolutly correct about boxing and though I somewhat agree about racing I doubt the drivers go into it with a desire to injure other drivers or themselves. As for the fans itching to see a crash, that just bolsters my point on the continuing brutality of society. Racing cars, though a dangerous sport is not inherently brutal.

[gear junkie]

MMA fighters are some of the most dedicated athletes there are. I have many friends who are ameuturs and there training is impressive. They don't drink, womanize or do anything that might detract from them losing the fight. This also includes getting in a bar fight or something or that nature. As anybody can tell whose been in a few fights, in a street fight, someone will break a hand punching the other guy. MMA fighter don't want to risk this outside the ring.

You mention a professional wrestler 20 years ago, is this the best example you can come up with? Are you going to judge a sport by the actions of 1 or 2? Doesn't compute.

This is another beef I have with boxing that doesn't happen with MMA. In boxing, a boxer could be getting punched repeatedly without much defense and the fight will continue as long as that fighter remains standing. In MMA, the fight is stopped as soon as a fighter is not/cannot defend himself. He might still be consensous but if he's not defending himself, the fight is stopped. This does cause some conterversy but the ref is there to ensure both fighters are safe and can fight another day.

[NHMaster3015]

I fail to see anything positive about a guy grabbing another around the waist, driving him back first into a chain link fence, downing him and then beating the living crap out of him untill the blood flows. Believe me if it wasn't against the law, these matches would be till a knock out or death. I realize the brutality of boxing also, but those guys don't fight in a cage, there are very specific rules involved and though boxers do get killed, boxing has been around a lot longer than the UFC. As the UFC gets more and more popular you're gonna see your share of dead guys there too, and that's just what the fans love. There's no skill here, just plain savagery.

[JCsPlumbing]

Anybody and everybody in America should be treated the same in regards to the law regardless of race, religion, fame, finances.
Unfortunately, we've all seen this not be the case. But gotta' have faith that we're trying.

As far as MMA, I'm like Gear and see it as a chess match. And the refs are much quicker to stop a fight than in the beginning of MMA in the U.S. They recognize when someones in trouble immediately and end the match.

I do wish they had an "UNLIMITED" weight belt for the true king of the ring like in the beginning. So a 165lb. person could take on a 235lb. person or any variation in between.

MMA is going to be the dominant sport in this field for awhile.

I personally think boxing has been screwed up by promoters and HBO for years and now it's finally biting them in the butt. Anybody else remember watching some main events on regular tv? ABC Sports?

I've guess I've just been dissatisfied with boxing since my favorite guy got to old to compete.

Julio Caesar Chavez! :clapping:

J.C.

[gear junkie]

You are absolutly correct about boxing and though I somewhat agree about racing I doubt the drivers go into it with a desire to injure other drivers or themselves. As for the fans itching to see a crash, that just bolsters my point on the continuing brutality of society. Racing cars, though a dangerous sport is not inherently brutal.
So is MMA a symptom of society or is it the other way around?

[NHMaster3015]

The other issue here is that most of these guys are being exploited by the UFC and their own handlers. The money is an embarassment compared to what the UFC and the networks make form their pain and suffering. As for their dedication. I have no doubt of their dedication to the "sport" But that still doesn't justify the sensless brutality. For that matter nothing would.

[JCsPlumbing]

So should the competitors in MMA be Flat Rate or Time and Materials? :D

J.C.

[gear junkie]

I fail to see anything positive about a guy grabbing another around the waist, driving him back first into a chain link fence, downing him and then beating the living crap out of him untill the blood flows. Believe me if it wasn't against the law, these matches would be till a knock out or death. I realize the brutality of boxing also, but those guys don't fight in a cage, there are very specific rules involved and though boxers do get killed, boxing has been around a lot longer than the UFC. As the UFC gets more and more popular you're gonna see your share of dead guys there too, and that's just what the fans love. There's no skill here, just plain savagery.
Either you're a tree hugger or your exposure to the sport is very limited. The same can be said about Greco Roman wrestling, promoted in collages and high schools around the country. What's positive about guys in tights trying to dehydrate themselves so they can grab each other and toss each other around? This is a rhetorical question but following your logic, this must be a problem as well.

[gear junkie]

The other issue here is that most of these guys are being exploited by the UFC and their own handlers. The money is an embarassment compared to what the UFC and the networks make form their pain and suffering. As for their dedication. I have no doubt of their dedication to the "sport" But that still doesn't justify the sensless brutality. For that matter nothing would.
Most of these guys make 6 figures a year to work out and fight 2-3 times per year. Then they get additional money from companies. Look at a fighter when he steps in the ring or finishes a fight, there's promotions everywhere. Whether it's the fighter holding a drink or the banner behind him to the tshirt and hat he's wearing.

[Service Guy]

Its a free country. I say let 'em fight. Its brutal, so what? Nobody is forced to fight, and nobody is forced to watch it. So you squeamish weenies can ignore it.

[JCsPlumbing]

For those that don't like MMA: Do you watch & enjoy boxing?

Would you like MMA better if striking was removed and it was strictly submission?

Serious questions for anyone.

J.C.

[NHMaster3015]

Either you're a tree hugger or your exposure to the sport is very limited. The same can be said about Greco Roman wrestling, promoted in collages and high schools around the country. What's positive about guys in tights trying to dehydrate themselves so they can grab each other and toss each other around? This is a rhetorical question but following your logic, this must be a problem as well.

Definatly not a tree hugger, in fact I'm guilty of going bezerk quite often. I think greco roman westling is welll, kinda gay but they don't punch and kick each other either. What I see is high school kids (mostly boys) that are inundated with violence at every level, from the UFC to video games, movies, music ect. And though I realize that I grew up in the age of cops and robbers and cowboys and indians, we weren't saturated with violence at every level. Year after year the number of in (and out of) school fighting has increased in schools. Wether or not it can be blamed on all the violent influences kids are subjected to, I can't say, though there a lot of studies that come to that conclusion. I just get to see the back side of the issue manifested with fighting, rude and lewd behavior. A lack of respect for anyone or anything and a general F\U attitude among teenage boys.
I'm not bashing you either. I can understand how some poeple may enjoy this type of entertainment. I just think the future ramifications may be more damaging than you may realize.

[gear junkie]

For those that don't like MMA: Do you watch & enjoy boxing?No for reason I've already stated

Would you like MMA better if striking was removed and it was strictly submission?

Serious questions for anyone.

J.C.
I do enjoy watching Brazilan Jiu Jistsui but MMA is more well rounded sport.

[Service Guy]

NHmaster, you are starting to sound like you favor censorship...I hope not. Give me liberty or give me death!

[gear junkie]

Definatly not a tree hugger, in fact I'm guilty of going bezerk quite often. I think greco roman westling is welll, kinda gay but they don't punch and kick each other either. What I see is high school kids (mostly boys) that are inundated with violence at every level, from the UFC to video games, movies, music ect. And though I realize that I grew up in the age of cops and robbers and cowboys and indians, we weren't saturated with violence at every level. Year after year the number of in (and out of) school fighting has increased in schools. Wether or not it can be blamed on all the violent influences kids are subjected to, I can't say, though there a lot of studies that come to that conclusion. I just get to see the back side of the issue manifested with fighting, rude and lewd behavior. A lack of respect for anyone or anything and a general F\U attitude among teenage boys.
I'm not bashing you either. I can understand how some poeple may enjoy this type of entertainment. I just think the future ramifications may be more damaging than you may realize.
I guess my perspective on this might be a little different than yours as I don't deal with HS kids. I know how I was in HS so I think you're underpaid. I do feel that we have become numbed and accept growing violence as a norm but feel that we need to turn inward and stop blaming outside influences as the prime factor for the decline of American society.

[Service Guy]

or as they say in my birthplace, New Hampshire: LIVE FREE OR DIE!

[NHMaster3015]

Not government censorship, not a law, just poeple and common sense. Just because you can, does not mean that you should. We all have to look to the future. Our kids future and the ground work that we lay for them. Are the things that we accept, embrace and tolerate, the right things for society? No one man can answer those questions, nor should he. These questions can only be answered by us, working together to the common good.

[Service Guy]

I don't even watch the stuff personally. Its boring to me. But if others like it and its popular, thats ok with me.

[JCsPlumbing]

Completely understand your disliking of MMA or Boxing.

Horseracing bores me. And should we be riding this poor animal? :D

Regular season baseball bores me too.

But I think the majority of problems you see in kids behavior always, always, always begins in the home. I know this has been said before and I have no easy fix for it. But it begins with parenting.

More single parent homes etc. seems to make it harder too.

J.C.

[Frankiarmz]

I gave one example of wrestlers and violence out of the ring but there are many more and much more recently. I think steroids plays into a lot of the violence beyond the sport. I do enjoy watching MMA's boxing and other martial arts. I agree that for the most part the rules and referring in MMA's is great but we are still paying guys to hurt eachother and the opposite of that is not being a tree hugger. I've trained in martial arts for years, don't think I'm a tough guy but hope I can protect myself if necessary. Would you still want to see the blood if it was yours? There is a lot to think about here.

[gear junkie]

Would you still want to see the blood if it was yours? There is a lot to think about here.
No but I'm not into participating just watching. Some of the sports biggest fans have no athletic ability but that doesn't make it wrong for them to watch their sport.

[JCsPlumbing]

With all of our technological advances, sociology, education, etc. what interests me is that we're still just basically a mirror of ancient Rome.

J.C.

[Service Guy]

We are animals. Always will be.

[Frankiarmz]

With all of our technological advances, sociology, education, etc. what interests me is that we're still just basically a mirror of ancient Rome.

J.C.

Kind of what I was thinking alll along, real good and safe to be a fan while some other slob is getting ripped apart by a lion or fast forward to our modern times of the slob who's getting beaten to a pulp by another guy. Does being a fan excuse the sport? Does it excuse the spectacle? Are you still a good and decent person if you don't physically have a hand in inflicting the damage but rather do so by supporting it with your money? Were those scumbags sitting safely in the stands of the Coliseum contributing to the horror? Guess you can keep a clear conscience if you convince yourself your hands are clean? I have the same attitude towards violence as I do towards Porn, I'll watch it if it's free but I won't support it with my money! I have my standards.

[MrsSeatDown]

Wow! What happened here? Everyone has an opinion today:rolleyes:

[Tyman]

I personally like to watch the UFC and so does my wife. We debate who is better on the ground, who has a better boxing game, ect.

The UFC does not tolerate drug use. If you would watch any of the shows you would see Dana White talking about representing the sport in a positive way. If you go smash a limo window as one contestant did, you go home.

Seems people are always looking to blame society for their failures in life or others. So kids get in a fight in school, blame the UFC. Some kid shots another kid, blame video games. Your kid gets overweight, blame food makers.

If you don't like the MMA, fine but don't even try to blame the failure of parenting on the UFC.

[Frankiarmz]

I personally like to watch the UFC and so does my wife. We debate who is better on the ground, who has a better boxing game, ect.

The UFC does not tolerate drug use. If you would watch any of the shows you would see Dana White talking about representing the sport in a positive way. If you go smash a limo window as one contestant did, you go home.

Seems people are always looking to blame society for their failures in life or others. So kids get in a fight in school, blame the UFC. Some kid shots another kid, blame video games. Your kid gets overweight, blame food makers.

If you don't like the MMA, fine but don't even try to blame the failure of parenting on the UFC.

No argument here that parenting has gone down the drain and the result are out of control , disrespectful and dangerous pre-adults. Allowing them access to some of the most efficient and damaging martial arts techniques does not make them better students or members of society. The teacher who used to be able to manhandle an unruly male student and get him back into his seat of out of the classroom, may now be in danger of becoming the victim of a triangle choke or arm bar. Some of these techniques are very easy to pick up from tv. I enjoy seeing these matches and not having to pay for them, but maybe it would be safer for society in general if they were not so easily accessible to young minds? Instead of raising well mannered students with a focus on the future, we have these little clusters of prison like free for alls and the teachers who are stuck in them can't do their jobs. The student who would like to learn can't do so either when their classmates are all jacked up on the latest fights and moves. I don't think we will stop the MMA or any of the other blood sports since they are such money makers, perhaps laws governing school behavior need to be ramped up? I just think the more tools we have in our arsenal, wheter they are martial arts or information off the Internet, the more responsible we need to be, the more accountable we need to be.

[NHMaster3015]

I don't want to see laws passed. I don't want censorship of any kind. I'm just trying to point out that these specticles, along with all of the other violent influences seem to be having a negative effect on our kids. As parents (and I've raised 8) it get's harder and harder to control all of the input our kids are subjected to. If you and the wife are sitting in the living room, watching and cheering as 2 guys beat up on each other, what message does that send to your kids? How do you explain to a young mind that this sport is ok but voilence is not? I'm not saying you can't do it, but it's a whole lot harder when you are the ones tuning in. And it trickles down to other things as well. How about your 7 year old son sitting on the couch next to you, watching you play halo or miami vice? What channel's can you comfortably watch on the TV anymore without being inundated with violence and blatent sexual inuendo? I cringe when my daughter is in the room and the TV is on because I never know what tastless crap is going to spring up next. Family guy, spike TV, the comedy channel, adult swim, MTV, VH1, and the list is pretty much enless with the exception of the food network. Do we really need to subject our kids to this and then wonder why 12 year old girls are getting pregnant? It's getting harder by the day to keep an eye on what our kids are doing.

[Service Guy]

Kill your TV if you don't like it. Nobody is forced to watch or even own a tv.

[NHMaster3015]

No we are not. Nor radio, movies, books, theater, restaurants or any public places for that matter.

[Tyman]

I really don't think I need the goverment telling me more things I can and can't do.

People need to take responsibility for themselves.

If UFC fighting makes people mad they can turn it to Matlock and get a big glass of prune juice.

[NHMaster3015]

I've said my piece, and given my reasons. I really don't expect an overnight change in peoples attitudes or behavoir. Just hopefully planting a seed.

[woodenstickers]

You know, everybody has a point here. I used to find the UFC distasteful until an ex of mine introduced me to the finer points of MMA. She had studied and practiced for a long time, and even though she was nice as pie she would be dangerous to anyone who threatened her or her friends on the street. Seriously.

It is the same argument as guns really, except with guns you don't need to train and learn and have any discipline whatsoever to do serious damage. Pro wrestling has been hitting people with folding chairs since I was a lil guy. I have a scar on my head (sadly my hairline has crept back further to make it more visible:() from a flying clothesline turned flying head-butt when I was 10 or so.

What are you gonna do? We are waging war as a country that is/has taken thousands of lives, the video game industry has turned that reality into a lark you can go on from your living room--as far as the end of civilizations and societies go, one of the great philosophers (Sandy prolly knows which one ;)) said the first symptom of the fall of an empire is when the youth are idle. It happens that way every time.

But then, hey. who knows. There were more gang murders in the twenties. There used to be lynchings and whippings and witch burnings and wild west shootouts. As violent as it is these days, I'm not sure there was a point in history, and I really doubt in American history that was less violent. That is just off the cuff speculatin' on a hypothesis though. I could be wrong.



Eli

[woodenstickers]

I've said my piece, and given my reasons. I really don't expect an overnight change in peoples attitudes or behavoir. Just hopefully planting a seed.

I don't doubt you are right. I don't know what the solution is though. My big worry for my future kids is mostly for the girls. You can't buy a pack of gum without seeing three or four completely artificial looking, gleaming white teeth baring, un-naturally spherical breast thrusting women staring at you from the magazine covers by the register. I don't want my girls thinking they have to, or even should try to live up to that ridiculous standard in order to be worth something. Sure the guys may have to act tough, but the girls are supposed to be pr0n stars as soon as they are out of diapers. That is much more disturbing to me.

They asked teens what they wanted to be when they grew up and in the US the number one answer is famous. Not even specifically for anything. Just frickin famous.:thud:

When I have kids I really might kill my TV. One thing is for certain--no MTV ever. EVER!


Eli

PS I still like to watch the UFC though. I'd rather my hypothetical kids get into martial arts and find a hero who has DONE something, learned something, than follow Paris Hilton.

[rick1643]

I don't doubt you are right. I don't know what the solution is though. My big worry for my future kids is mostly for the girls. You can't buy a pack of gum without seeing three or four completely artificial looking, gleaming white teeth baring, un-naturally spherical breast thrusting women staring at you from the magazine covers by the register. I don't want my girls thinking they have to, or even should try to live up to that ridiculous standard in order to be worth something. Sure the guys may have to act tough, but the girls are supposed to be pr0n stars as soon as they are out of diapers. That is much more disturbing to me.

They asked teens what they wanted to be when they grew up and in the US the number one answer is famous. Not even specifically for anything. Just frickin famous.:thud:

When I have kids I really might kill my TV. One thing is for certain--no MTV ever. EVER!


Eli

PS I still like to watch the UFC though. I'd rather my hypothetical kids get into martial arts and find a hero who has DONE something, learned something, than follow Paris Hilton.

Eli,

There is a simple solution for your concerns.....Just have sons..:D

[gear junkie]

Just watched ufc. Worth watching. Every fight was good except for the Brandon Vera fight. Seemed like everyone was getting knocked out tonight.

[DUNBAR]

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[Frankiarmz]

Just watched ufc. Worth watching. Every fight was good except for the Brandon Vera fight. Seemed like everyone was getting knocked out tonight.

I agree, great night of fighting. Once Brandon gets used to the weight he will do a lot of damage, last night was a test for him. Amazing how fast a good fighter like Irvin was taken out, no chance for damage control or attempts at a take down. The UFC is giving plenty of entertainment away for free, hope they continue.