Obama in afghanistan

[JERRYMAC]

HEY JUST WANTED TO PASS THIS ON FOR ALL YOU VETERANS OUT THERE ! ! :bravo:
Hi all FYI--for what freedom is worth.

Tiffany and Jeff Porter are our friends who live in Virginia .

--------- Forwarded Message ---------
I don't know each of your personal political convictions, and apologize if anyone finds this offensive. I thought it was important enough to share. This is Jeff's first hand view of Senator Obama.

Tiffany

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.
He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle , got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the Clamshell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CAPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

[DuckButter]

Pretty much what I figured it was....an appearance, quick in and out.

[Frankiarmz]

Not trying to defend Obama, but there is a lot of misinformation on the Internet. A lot of people making up lies and passing them off as the truth. Got this from a Google seach.

Saturday, July 26, 2008
A Question For CPT Jeffrey S. Porter; Obama-Smearer:
Jeffrey S. Porter, of the Utah-based 142nd Military Intelligence Battalion, wrote an Obama-smearing "that guy hates the troops" screed the other day. Of course, his email got picked up by all the best right wing sites--it was ready-made for viral dissemination--and signed, "In service, CPT Jeffrey S. Porter, Battle Captain, TF Wasatch, American Soldier (married and father of 6 children)".

Now, after the Captain's note (and probably his service file?) was punched full of more holes than a post-SINKEX Spruance, the hapless Captain Porter is now saying something very different:


"I am writing this to ask that you delete my e-mail and not forward it, after checking my sources some of the information that was put out in my e-mail was wrong. This e-mail was meant only for my family. Please respect my wishes and delete the e-mail and if there are any blogs you have my e-mail portrayed on I would ask if you would take it down too.”
I challenge Captain Jeffrey S. Porter to produce a single letter to his immediate family that ends with "In service".

Yeah. And according to the Salt Lake Tribune, the guy--who deals with matters where veracity is of critical importance--is probably not going to be disciplined.

[stxrus]

you guys need to check your facts before posting B.S. wishful thinking

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

steve

[Service Guy]

Typical hateful, lying smear job. This stuff is getting old Jerrymac. Its obvious you will post any old rumor that smears democrats. Post something useful based on THE FACTS next time.

The last thing we need is biased information.

[VASandy]

Unfortunately this stuff will keep popping up. I don't personally care for Obama as he has treated some friends with incredible bad manners. I find him to be less than a person and mostly a politician, and for that reason will not vote for him. It's not that I'd want to have a beer with him (I would, actually, but that's because I enjoy the occasional frosty beverage), but I find his politics of the "what you like to hear" variety. I would prefer a President who can tell me the truth and live by it. I don't know if McCain is that man, but I know for sure that Obama is not.

[Service Guy]

Yeah, I understand people are skeptical of Obama. And many disagree strongly with his stance on the issues. I welcome all the Obama bashing, as long as its based on the facts and on his policies.
This kind of crap attacking his character based on rumors is really low-brow, close-minded B.S. though.:rolleyes:

[Service Guy]

Hey everyone, My name is Carter T. Wilbury and I was in afghanistan when Obama visited and he really is evil! He wore taliban symbols and spit on us soldiers!!! Also he wiped his backside with a baby! Then I saw him shooting heroin in his arm after a speech he gave! Stay away from him, he is the second coming of the devil!

-See I can write fiction too.:rolleyes:

[wrench spinner]

-Hey everyone, My name is Carter T. Wilbury and I was in afghanistan when Obama visited and he really is evil! He wore taliban symbols and spit on us soldiers!!! Also he wiped his backside with a baby! Then I saw him shooting heroin in his arm after a speech he gave! Stay away from him, he is the second coming of the devil!

Hey everyone Look what i just read about Obama on the Internet!!!!!!!



:rotflmao:

[DUNBAR]

Hey everyone Look what i just read about Obama on the Internet!!!!!!!



:rotflmao:




Oh man, this will be on drudge report in less than an hour :shocked2:

[wrench spinner]

HEY DUNBAR... this isnt like saying de*^% makes a crappy faucet is it? I dont think i want obama coming after me. he might sue me, McCain though he'd kick my a$$

[DuckButter]

I'm gonna get back on my original frame of thought.
Obama might be the best leader this country could ever have, he might be able to alter the course of history for the better, he might be the second coming.
Not much on his track record shows it...McCains record is unbeleivable.
Period, the man is a hero.

This isn't a real grand time to roll the dice on a young fella who looks promising...not with everything thats going on with world events, terrorism and the economy.

I don't dislike Obama, I just like McCain a whole hell of a lot better.

[JERRYMAC]

I APOLOGIZE TO ONE AND ALL
I POSTED WHAT SEEMED
LIKE GOOD INFORMATION BEFORE CHECKING IT OUT
AND GOT BURNED ON IT TWICE WHICH IS MY OWN FAULT,
I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD SOURCE BUT OBVIOUSLY
WAS NOT

SO SORRY IF I OFFENDED
:soapbox:

[Frankiarmz]

I APOLOGIZE TO ONE AND ALL
I POSTED WHAT SEEMED
LIKE GOOD INFORMATION BEFORE CHECKING IT OUT
AND GOT BURNED ON IT TWICE WHICH IS MY OWN FAULT,
I THOUGHT WAS A GOOD SOURCE BUT OBVIOUSLY
WAS NOT

SO SORRY IF I OFFENDED
:soapbox:

Takes a big person to admit they made a mistake, I know from practice. No harm done in my opinion. These sorts of things will probably keep happening throughout the campaign. ;)

[Bob D.]

Oh man, this will be on drudge report in less than an hour :shocked2:

I have already forwarded it to everyone in my address book like it says to do. I never question when it says to forward right away to everyone you know.

It was on the internet so it must be true or Al Gore would have removed it right?

[plumberscrack]

[Ding, Ding] YOU'VE GOT MAIL!

[NHMaster3015]

Who cares if you got it wrong? You never see the democrat press apologizing when they get it wrong and they get it wrong every freekin day.

By the way, for all you WMD guys. Did you hear they found 500 tons of yellow cake uranium in Irac? Wonder what Saddam was doing with that?

[Masterplumb]

:DWho cares if you got it wrong? You never see the democrat press apologizing when they get it wrong and they get it wrong every freekin day.

By the way, for all you WMD guys. Did you hear they found 500 tons of yellow cake uranium in Irac? Wonder what Saddam was doing with that?

Oh NHM please stop the BS we all know that Saddam was a stand up guy and he was sincere that he didn't have anyting like wmd's, it is spin by the neo-con media, better yet it was planted by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the bunch. :speechless:

[stxrus]

no offense taken. it took me less than 2 minutes to verify the posting.

i don't deny McCaines war record, but he will be another w. all over and this country can not take 4 more years of this.

we can't vote for the prez here in the territory so all i can do is talk. that sux

steve

[Masterplumb]

no offense taken. it took me less than 2 minutes to verify the posting.

i don't deny McCaines war record, but he will be another w. all over and this country can not take 4 more years of this.

we can't vote for the prez here in the territory so all i can do is talk. that sux

steve

stxrus, how do you say McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Lets see the facts please, lets see a breakdown of their voting records, lets see their similarities in how you have come to this assumption? You guys bashed Jerrymac for giving bad info, so lets have it. Show me in what ways you compare Bush and McCain, I would like to see specifics please. What you just stated is BS. Lets see it please.

[Frankiarmz]

stxrus, how do you say McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Lets see the facts please, lets see a breakdown of their voting records, lets see their similarities in how you have come to this assumption? You guys bashed Jerrymac for giving bad info, so lets have it. Show me in what ways you compare Bush and McCain, I would like to see specifics please. What you just stated is BS. Lets see it please.

Facts, you want facts? You can't handle the facts! I'll give you a couple. Both refuse to secure our borders or resolve the problem of illegals. Wait a minute, Obama is no different. I bet Bush, McCain and Obama have more in common than any of you really think.

[Masterplumb]

Facts, you want facts? You can't handle the facts! I'll give you a couple. Both refuse to secure our borders or resolve the problem of illegals. Wait a minute, Obama is no different. I bet Bush, McCain and Obama have more in common than any of you really think.

"Did you order the code red?"

Seriously though, I want to see something that backs up his statement.

[DUNBAR]

i have already forwarded it to everyone in my address book like it says to do. I never question when it says to forward right away to everyone you know.

It was on the internet so it must be true or al gore would have removed it right?



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[stxrus]

stxrus, how do you say McCain is 4 more years of Bush. Lets see the facts please, lets see a breakdown of their voting records, lets see their similarities in how you have come to this assumption? You guys bashed Jerrymac for giving bad info, so lets have it. Show me in what ways you compare Bush and McCain, I would like to see specifics please. What you just stated is BS. Lets see it please.

jerrymac posted a total pile of bull crap. proven to be a false statement. end of discuaaion!

my beliefs about another 4 years of a republican presidency, IN MY OPINION AND MY OPINION ONLY, will lead us down a war path that will only reduce America more and more. how in the name of god are we going to fund these wars? most of the world loathes us. we are the UGLY AMERICANS.

sorry, i'm not taking the "bait" of voting records. how much time did w. spend in the senate? in congress? hell, he couldn't even run a baseball team. he sucked, AGAIN MY OPINION, as govenor of Texas, MY HOME STATE. he sure as hell was NO Anne Richards. w. is the worst president this country has had. history, IN MY OPINION, will prove this true.

McCain is one of the good ol' boys in D.C. we need a change. i feel that as a country (and a people) we are on the downward slide. i don't believe McCain can or will do anything to improve this position. POSSIBLY Obamma can. maybe he can't. but I, for one, am ready fior a change in policy. cowboy diplomacy has never worked. walk softly but carry a big stick is a long dead philosophy. too many now have big sticks.

anyway that's all i have to say on the matter. as i have said before, aruging politics on an internet forum is like participating in the special olympics. even if you win, you still are retarded. ** i mean no disrespect to anyone. fer christ's sake it's an analogy **

peace

steve

[Masterplumb]

jerrymac posted a total pile of bull crap. proven to be a false statement. end of discuaaion!

my beliefs about another 4 years of a republican presidency, IN MY OPINION AND MY OPINION ONLY, will lead us down a war path that will only reduce America more and more. how in the name of god are we going to fund these wars? most of the world loathes us. we are the UGLY AMERICANS.

I dont really care what the rest of the world thinks of "ugly Americans" Why should America care what the rest of the world thinks? What did they think of us on 9/10/01?

sorry, i'm not taking the "bait" of voting records. how much time did w. spend in the senate? in congress? hell, he couldn't even run a baseball team. he sucked, AGAIN MY OPINION, as govenor of Texas, MY HOME STATE. he sure as hell was NO Anne Richards. w. is the worst president this country has had. history, IN MY OPINION, will prove this true.

Bait? You made a point Im loking for you to explain what makes you think McCain is 4 more years of Bush? I still haven't gotten an answer. I guess I wont. You are taking talking points from CNN and MSNBS

McCain is one of the good ol' boys in D.C. we need a change. i feel that as a country (and a people) we are on the downward slide. i don't believe McCain can or will do anything to improve this position. POSSIBLY Obamma can. maybe he can't. but I, for one, am ready fior a change in policy. cowboy diplomacy has never worked. walk softly but carry a big stick is a long dead philosophy. too many now have big sticks.

What points to good change with Obama? He was a community activist, is that what you call good experience to run the country?

anyway that's all i have to say on the matter. as i have said before, aruging politics on an internet forum is like participating in the special olympics. even if you win, you still are retarded. ** i mean no disrespect to anyone. fer christ's sake it's an analogy **

Voting for Obama is participating in the special olympics. I mean no disrespect either;)

peace



steve

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[NHMaster3015]

I like being an "Ugly American" That's us. The number one nation that the rest of the sniveling world comes to to bail their asses out when the crap hits the fan. The nation willing to put lives on the line to secure democracy and human rights all over the world. The nation that gives billions in foreign aid to countries that take the money with one hand and slap us with the other. TO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. I'll be damned if I give two shits what France, Germany or for that matter any other nation thinks about us. Hell yes we are the ugly Americans and damned proud of it. You want to be a European? the by all means pack your bags and go.

[Masterplumb]

I like being an "Ugly American" That's us. The number one nation that the rest of the sniveling world comes to to bail their asses out when the crap hits the fan. The nation willing to put lives on the line to secure democracy and human rights all over the world. The nation that gives billions in foreign aid to countries that take the money with one hand and slap us with the other. TO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. I'll be damned if I give two shits what France, Germany or for that matter any other nation thinks about us. Hell yes we are the ugly Americans and damned proud of it. You want to be a European? the by all means pack your bags and go.

Something tells me I am not going to get any response from him on my questions.

[Frankiarmz]

I like being an "Ugly American" That's us. The number one nation that the rest of the sniveling world comes to to bail their asses out when the crap hits the fan. The nation willing to put lives on the line to secure democracy and human rights all over the world. The nation that gives billions in foreign aid to countries that take the money with one hand and slap us with the other. TO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. I'll be damned if I give two shits what France, Germany or for that matter any other nation thinks about us. Hell yes we are the ugly Americans and damned proud of it. You want to be a European? the by all means pack your bags and go.

You had me at hello! I would like to agree with you about the rest of the world, especially the scumbag europeans we saved from hitler and hirohito but we are part of the "global" economy and they are screwing us left and right. China will probably be able to cripple us in the next couple of years without firing a single shot. Here we are arguing politics among ourselves in the most free country in the world, and yet we are in serious jeopardy. Shipping manufacturing jobs to other countries has made us weak, turning a blind eye to tens of millions of illegals disgracing our borders, taking our jobs and burdening our economy has made us weak, serving as the political pawns of both the republican and democratic parties who have both driven this country into the ground has made us weak! Don't believe for a second that either of these candidates is the answer we seek. Take a step back and see the damage both parties have done, term ,after term. How or when or why did we the people allow ourselves to lose our independence ? Why is the united nations and all those lousy diplomats who insult our country and people still in the United States? Bring back the jobs or tax the living hell out of all the corporations and individuals who have profitted from the crippling of America. We will soon need to support many more millions of legal Americans. The problems are not going away guys, and the election will not change them.

[NHMaster3015]

So now it's the next day and I've calmed down.

You know what I want too see.?

Solutions. I want a candidate that gives me real, workable solutions and hope.

I'm tired of the negative talk. What can't be done, Everything that is wrong. What terrible people we are.

This nation put a man on the moon in 10 short years because we wanted to.

This nation has answered the challange of WW1 + WW2 and was victorious.

This nation ended slavery, passed the civil rights act and womans sufferage.

This nation is the birthplace of computers, technology and the internet.

This nation can do any damn thing we put our minds to.

Stop telling me what I can't do.

This is my real problem with Democrats. Not their plans or policies (what few there are) It's all the gloom and doom. The you can't do it without the government's help attitude. We don't trust you to manage your own money or insurance or job. We can't drill off the coast because 30 years ago we had an oil spill. Boo Hoo. We might as well not drill for new oil because it will take 10 years to get it to the pumps ( 6 months to drill, 9 1/2 years to get the paperwork done) Even so, I'll still be here in 10 years and so will you. We can't build neuclear plants because 9mile island actually worked. We Can't Can't Can't. So lets all sit around and wait for congress to do something?

[Service Guy]

NHmaster, what makes republicans any different? Why is it only democrats you are blaming for the 'doom and gloom'? Seems pretty one-sided and narrow-minded to me.

[Frankiarmz]

Yes, it's a new day but the problems are still here and there are no solutions forth coming. I think of America as a work in progress but at this particular moment the experiment of freedom is on a downward slide. Crude oil and the people who control it are doing exactly what the terrorists failed to accomplish. The way out of this mess in my opinion is emergency legislation to combat the damage done by big oil. Set government limits on their profits and make it retroactive, suspend all trading on oil futures. Democrats and republicans aside, Americans are suffering and some will die because oil is an essential commodity with no alternative for most. Most Americans are on fixed incomes and it is a matter of survival not complaining or fairness that requires action to be taken. I welcome anything that will stabilize our economy and bring us back to a time of hope and growth. Experts speak of a strong economy in spite of unemployment rising. I don't know how they calculate such things but in my opinion unless we bring back jobs to employ Americans who are here legally and figure out a way to have them sustain their lives, things will continue to get worse. Republicans and democrats are very similar, neither party cares enough about Americans to do what it takes to fix the problems! McCain and Obama have both made it clear that border security and the issue of illegals are not going to be resolved, so we are faced with this continuing problem. I hope these two groups came up with some good things in the energy bill, or else we are sunk. Expect higher taxes in the future because no matter who get elected, those who are still earning incomes will pay for the increasing number of Americans who are unemployed. You will also pay higher taxes at the pump to make up for the lower consumption of gasoline and the loss of tax revenues. You will pay more social security taxes to compensate the illegals who are burdening our economy and will collect these benefits! Take off the political glasses that alter your vision and for a moment see the problems and how both parties are responsible. Now consider what it will take to undo the damage, to get America back to those times of limitless growth and national pride. This cannot happen in a society that does not make what it consumes, a society who's wealth is bled off to others never to return. For things to change there must be a change, and Obama and McCain do not offer change.

[tinmack]

So now it's the next day and I've calmed down.

You know what I want too see.?

Solutions. I want a candidate that gives me real, workable solutions and hope.

I'm tired of the negative talk. What can't be done, Everything that is wrong. What terrible people we are.

This nation put a man on the moon in 10 short years because we wanted to.

This nation has answered the challange of WW1 + WW2 and was victorious.

This nation ended slavery, passed the civil rights act and womans sufferage.

This nation is the birthplace of computers, technology and the internet.

This nation can do any damn thing we put our minds to.

Stop telling me what I can't do.

This is my real problem with Democrats. Not their plans or policies (what few there are) It's all the gloom and doom. The you can't do it without the government's help attitude. We don't trust you to manage your own money or insurance or job. We can't drill off the coast because 30 years ago we had an oil spill. Boo Hoo. We might as well not drill for new oil because it will take 10 years to get it to the pumps ( 6 months to drill, 9 1/2 years to get the paperwork done) Even so, I'll still be here in 10 years and so will you. We can't build neuclear plants because 9mile island actually worked. We Can't Can't Can't. So lets all sit around and wait for congress to do something?


There's so much bad information in this post that it essentially sums up how bad this and all the other crappy/inaccurate political threads are on this forum.

Stick to plumbing or talking about your close calls at work.

Start a seesnake love thread.

For gawd's sake stop it with the political threads....

Or at least do some research before you post.

Google can be your friend in these harsh political times.

[Frankiarmz]

Doing away with political threads might be a good idea. Everyone here pretty much understands where we all stand, and beating on one another will not change our minds or the election outcome.Maybe we need to let this go?

[ToUtahNow]

I pretty much figure it is a given Obama will get in even though I think it will hurt the Country. Then we will have 4-8 years of a Carter economy where all of the investments go off-shore or to other Countries. It's time for everyone on this site to start getting prepared for hard times.

Mark

[tinmack]

Doing away with political threads might be a good idea. Everyone here pretty much understands where we all stand, and beating on one another will not change our minds or the election outcome.Maybe we need to let this go?

Frankie, for years I have admired the patriotism of the American people. I don't believe you see anything like that anywhere else in the world.

Yet that doesn't give anybody the right, nor the excuse, to believe the same garbage they've been fed for years - political, social, or otherwise. Nor should anybody pat themselves on the back for correcting their own mistakes of the past. That goes for anybody in any part of the world.

Times are hard for everyone all over the world. The most common problem faced by man for centuries has been staying warm and keeping fed.

Hopefully all of us, Americans, Canadians, Europeans, etc., will be able to not only survive but somehow prosper in these trying times.

Sometimes a change is as good as a rest. That may just apply to the America fall election.

I think it also should apply to some of these seriously skewed political threads as well.

[NHMaster3015]

There's so much bad information in this post that it essentially sums up how bad this and all the other crappy/inaccurate political threads are on this forum.

Stick to plumbing or talking about your close calls at work.

Start a seesnake love thread.

For gawd's sake stop it with the political threads....

Or at least do some research before you post.

Google can be your friend in these harsh political times.

What exactly is "wrong"? You think we can't find and impliment solutions? You think the entire world is going down the toilet and there's nothing we can do about it? Is it time to start building bomb shelters or living in compounds in the woods.? You doubt Americas resolve? What? Shall we sit back and let the **** hit the fan? I don't get it.

Frankie, I know you hate big oil and I suppose I can even understand your reasoning but what do you think the economic reprocussions of limiting profits and raising their taxes would be ? I'm interested because I hear this solution often and I'm just not sure what the oil companies stratigy or reaction to such measures would be. Limbaugh and Hannity and a hos of others have offered their opinions, but I think they are pretty skewed at best.

And Tinmack - If you think I'm a right wing republican you could not be more wrong. The Republican party abandoned their ideals thirty years ago when they made Ronald Reagan their messia. Not that Reagan was a bad president, he was a great president, but he was no Republican. I sir am a Conservitave, neither republican nor democrat.

[NHMaster3015]

NHmaster, what makes republicans any different? Why is it only democrats you are blaming for the 'doom and gloom'? Seems pretty one-sided and narrow-minded to me.

NOTHING, as far as I can tell, it's all one big party with different animals on the lapel pins. All anyone of them care about is personal political power.
See, you presume because I bash Democrats that I am a republican. I just bash the Democrats more because I loath their policies a bit more, but believe me, if you think I'm in love with McCain your are sadly mistaken.

[tinmack]

And Tinmack - If you think I'm a right wing republican you could not be more wrong. The Republican party abandoned their ideals thirty years ago when they made Ronald Reagan their messia. Not that Reagan was a bad president, he was a great president, but he was no Republican. I sir am a Conservitave, neither republican nor democrat.


I don't think that, I didn't post that, nor do I really care. Believe what you want, but there's no need for misinformation regardless of what you, me, or anybody else thinks.

And I can sympathize with your situation. I was a Progressive Conservative for years in Canada, until they changed into the Conservative Party. Now, I'm a man without a party......probably more of a Red Tory...........

[Masterplumb]

A man from another country telling us that we shouldn't talk politics...That is what is wrong with this country. We're too worried about what the rest of the world thinks.

[NHMaster3015]

I don't think that, I didn't post that, nor do I really care. Believe what you want, but there's no need for misinformation regardless of what you, me, or anybody else thinks.

And I can sympathize with your situation. I was a Progressive Conservative for years in Canada, until they changed into the Conservative Party. Now, I'm a man without a party......probably more of a Red Tory...........

Ok, but what did I say that is misinformation?

And hell, your from Canada. Do you guys even have politics up there:D

[tinmack]

Ok, but what did I say that is misinformation?

And hell, your from Canada. Do you guys even have politics up there:D


I think your reply is self-explanatory as to why I'm now staying away from any thread that is political.

Oh and by the way.....first binary/programmable computer was invented by a German.

And fixing your own mistakes regarding slavery and civil rights is certainly something to be proud of. Yet the fact that they existed, and the duration, certainly taints that pride somewhat.

I could go on, but I'm off the political thread bandwagon....

[NHMaster3015]

ENIAC, short for Electronic Numerical Integrator And Computer was the first general-purpose electronic computer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer). It was the first high-speed, Turing-complete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness), digital computer capable of being reprogrammed to solve a full range of computing problems,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-1) though earlier machines had been built with some of these properties. ENIAC was designed and built to calculate artillery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery) firing tables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics) for the U.S. Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army)'s Ballistic Research Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_Research_Laboratory).
The contract was signed on June 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_5), 1943 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943) and Project PX was constructed by the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania)'s Moore School of Electrical Engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_School_of_Electrical_Engineering) from July, 1943 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943). It was unveiled on February 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14), 1946 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946) at Penn, having cost almost $500,000. ENIAC was shut down on November 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_9), 1946 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946), for a refurbishment and a memory upgrade, and was transferred to Aberdeen Proving Ground (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_Proving_Ground), Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland) in 1947 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947). There, on July 29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_29) of that year, it was turned on and would be in continuous operation until 11:45 p.m. on October 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2), 1955 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955).
ENIAC was conceived and designed by John Mauchly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mauchly) and J. Presper Eckert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Presper_Eckert) of the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-Wilkes-2) The team of design engineers assisting the development included Bob Shaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_F._Shaw&action=edit&redlink=1) (function tables), Chuan Chu (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuan_Chu&action=edit&redlink=1) (divider/square-rooter), Kite Sharpless (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kite_Sharpless&action=edit&redlink=1) (master programmer), Arthur Burks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Burks) (multiplier), Harry Huskey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Huskey) (reader/printer), and Jack Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Davis_%28engineer%29&action=edit&redlink=1) (accumulators).





Slavery in Canada was practiced for millennia by aboriginal nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations), who routinely captured slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery) from neighbouring tribes. However, chattel slavery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattel_slavery) (that form of hereditary slavery in which humans are regarded as the private property of an individual) started with the European settlement of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), appearing soon after the colonies were founded in the early 1600s. Most of the slaves were used as domestic house servants, although some performed agricultural labour. Some were of African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African) descent, while others were aboriginal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada) (typically called "panis", likely a corruption of Pawnee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee)).





Hmmmm. Glass Houses.... Stones.......

[Frankiarmz]

What exactly is "wrong"? You think we can't find and impliment solutions? You think the entire world is going down the toilet and there's nothing we can do about it? Is it time to start building bomb shelters or living in compounds in the woods.? You doubt Americas resolve? What? Shall we sit back and let the **** hit the fan? I don't get it.

Frankie, I know you hate big oil and I suppose I can even understand your reasoning but what do you think the economic reprocussions of limiting profits and raising their taxes would be ? I'm interested because I hear this solution often and I'm just not sure what the oil companies stratigy or reaction to such measures would be. Limbaugh and Hannity and a hos of others have offered their opinions, but I think they are pretty skewed at best.

And Tinmack - If you think I'm a right wing republican you could not be more wrong. The Republican party abandoned their ideals thirty years ago when they made Ronald Reagan their messia. Not that Reagan was a bad president, he was a great president, but he was no Republican. I sir am a Conservitave, neither republican nor democrat.

I don't hate big oil, I hate the thought of Americans dying in the cold or choosing between gas for the car, heat for the home or food. I honestly believe the economic repercussions of the rise in the price of crude will devistate our economy and way of life. I don't think we can ignore the severe impact that this essential commodity has on our lives, it is because of the uniqueness of crude oil that I feel it must be regulated, profits regulated. I don't know what the reaction of big oil will be if it were to happen, I think it will not come to pass. Trading on oil futures probably will not stop either. I really think unless the price drops drastically the economy will continue to fail. We can choose to drink milk or eat eggs, buy electronics or use many different services, but we have no alternatives when it comes to driving, heating our homes or controlling the price of our food. I am speaking of people who currently use oil for home heating. I don't want to argue switching to natural gas or propane or electric heat at the moment. I would like you to consider the many Americans who are at the mercy of big oil and who have no choice. I do think when a company controls an essential commodity such as oil and can wreak havoc on our society, we must take action to protect the public and stabilize our economy. We are already seeing some of our rights or freedoms compromised to protect us from terrorists and keep us secure, I see no difference in limiting big oil profits or suspending stock trading of this commodity if it will result in restoring calm to a very unstable economy.

[DuckButter]

I like being an "Ugly American" That's us. The number one nation that the rest of the sniveling world comes to to bail their asses out when the crap hits the fan. The nation willing to put lives on the line to secure democracy and human rights all over the world. The nation that gives billions in foreign aid to countries that take the money with one hand and slap us with the other. TO HELL WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. I'll be damned if I give two shits what France, Germany or for that matter any other nation thinks about us. Hell yes we are the ugly Americans and damned proud of it. You want to be a European? the by all means pack your bags and go.


9/11 made it perfectly clear that there are countless third world extremist thinkers who truly believe we need to die for NOT living an oppressed lifestyle like they do.
Silly as this sounds, I really think the number one motive for Al-Kaida is sexual frustration.
These are men (cavemen, literally) who want the entire world to force their women to cover their faces, shut up and be obedient.
We're talking a society that considers it wrong to eat with your left hand, because they have yet to accept the use of toilet paper and indoor plumbing.

They beleive it's religiously right to murder any who won't comply.
As I see it, they have evolved over generations to truly believe we are the reason they live such repressed lives by incredibly wealthy leaders who point to us to keep attention off themselves as they hoard the wealth of oil from the general populace.
This has become an example, many third world coutries see us as lavish, lazy and immoral for standing for freedom.

Rather than wanting to be more like us, they blame us.
As we educate them in our colleges, groom them with our foreign aid and listen to them cry "death to Americans", I just don't see how we can avoid standing up to this thinking.

Iran is a perfect example of this mentality.
A diplomatic resolve could work, but it comes to a point where we absolutely cannot allow small third world bullies to continue this rediculous pattern.
Saddam Hussein, North Korea and now Iran playing us with the same BS...threats or bluffs of WMD's and we immediately start crying about how we need to use diplomacy.

So yes...
I too, am an UGLY American.

[DUNBAR]

What the F????! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

[Frankiarmz]

What the F????! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

I'd say he's confident and McCain's people are worried. I'm worried too because I don't see a good future with either of these candidates. Had hopes that the democratic congress would do great things too and that didn't work out at all. I'm loading up on wood to help heat my house and stocking up on shot gun shells, things are gonna get real bad!

[tinmack]

ENIAC, short for Electronic Numerical Integrator And Computer was the first general-purpose electronic computer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer). It was the first high-speed, Turing-complete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness), digital computer capable of being reprogrammed to solve a full range of computing problems,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-1) though earlier machines had been built with some of these properties. ENIAC was designed and built to calculate artillery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artillery)firing tables (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics) for the U.S. Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army)'s Ballistic Research Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_Research_Laboratory).
The contract was signed on June 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_5), 1943 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943) and Project PX was constructed by the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania)'s Moore School of Electrical Engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_School_of_Electrical_Engineering) from July, 1943 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943). It was unveiled on February 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_14), 1946 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946) at Penn, having cost almost $500,000. ENIAC was shut down on November 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_9), 1946 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946), for a refurbishment and a memory upgrade, and was transferred to Aberdeen Proving Ground (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aberdeen_Proving_Ground), Maryland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland) in 1947 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947). There, on July 29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_29) of that year, it was turned on and would be in continuous operation until 11:45 p.m. on October 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2), 1955 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955).
ENIAC was conceived and designed by John Mauchly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mauchly) and J. Presper Eckert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Presper_Eckert) of the University of Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/#cite_note-Wilkes-2) The team of design engineers assisting the development included Bob Shaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_F._Shaw&action=edit&redlink=1) (function tables), Chuan Chu (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chuan_Chu&action=edit&redlink=1) (divider/square-rooter), Kite Sharpless (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kite_Sharpless&action=edit&redlink=1) (master programmer), Arthur Burks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Burks) (multiplier), Harry Huskey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Huskey) (reader/printer), and Jack Davis (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Davis_%28engineer%29&action=edit&redlink=1) (accumulators).





Slavery in Canada was practiced for millennia by aboriginal nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations), who routinely captured slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery) from neighbouring tribes. However, chattel slavery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattel_slavery) (that form of hereditary slavery in which humans are regarded as the private property of an individual) started with the European settlement of Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada), appearing soon after the colonies were founded in the early 1600s. Most of the slaves were used as domestic house servants, although some performed agricultural labour. Some were of African (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African) descent, while others were aboriginal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aboriginal_peoples_in_Canada) (typically called "panis", likely a corruption of Pawnee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnee)).





Hmmmm. Glass Houses.... Stones.......

Same thing in the States......the English colonies settled both, you know? Or maybe you don't....

Regardless, it took more than 30 years for slavery to be abolished in the United States. Canada had the underground railway from 1841 to 1867, but then, you knew that already...right???

I stand by my computer answer - depends on your definition of computer...

Doesn't matter, though, you and and scores more are all drinking the misinformation Koolaid. I'm sure more uninformed people with the wrong information will thank your earlier post.

[NHMaster3015]

Frankie, thanks for the reply, very thoughtfull and it shows that there are people out there that realize that every thing we do in this world is driven by the cost of energy. In this case and at this time oil = energy. Like a house of cards it can all fall down with the slightest provocation. Frankly it sometimes scares the crap out of me. The oil companies are loosing money refining gasoline, why? because crude oil must essentially be boiled to produce gas, fuel oil , benzene ect. And what do you suppose they have to burn to make the process work. Oil. So as it stands with oil prices higher than gas prices, it costs more to make gas? Is this F'd up or what? I honestly don't know what the elderly on fixed incomes will do. But I'll bet a government bail out will be in the works and we all know where that money comes from. Know what? they could put freeking mickey mouse in the whitehouse for all I care. It's the idiot, money grubbing, self serving crooks in congress that need the boot.

[NHMaster3015]

Same thing in the States......the English colonies settled both, you know? Or maybe you don't....

Regardless, it took more than 30 years for slavery to be abolished in the United States. Canada had the underground railway from 1841 to 1867, but then, you knew that already...right???

I stand by my computer answer - depends on your definition of computer...

Doesn't matter, though, you and and scores more are all drinking the misinformation Koolaid. I'm sure more uninformed people with the wrong information will thank your earlier post.

Wrong information? Let's see now. Canada, salvery from the 1600's until what, 1867 thats 267 years yes? Hmmm.
if you want to get semantic I suppose the Chinese abacus could be called the first computer. However by todays standards the Eniac is pretty much thought of as the first practical electronic computer.

Let's get back to kool aid and "wrong information" You have as of yet to relate just exactly what wrong information I have put out there, let alone put forth any supporting arguments to the contrary. I hold a Masters in History so if you want to go down that road I'm more than happy to oblige.

[tinmack]

Wrong information? Let's see now. Canada, salvery from the 1600's until what, 1867 thats 267 years yes? Hmmm.
if you want to get semantic I suppose the Chinese abacus could be called the first computer. However by todays standards the Eniac is pretty much thought of as the first practical electronic computer.

Let's get back to kool aid and "wrong information" You have as of yet to relate just exactly what wrong information I have put out there, let alone put forth any supporting arguments to the contrary. I hold a Masters in History so if you want to go down that road I'm more than happy to oblige.


Still wrong - slaves started being freed in 1803 in Canada until slavery was abolished in 1834.

Slavery wasn't abolished in the United States until 1865.

Yeah, I'm "sure" you've got a masters in history. Unfortunately, it's history according to YOU.

Besides, you spell waaaayyy too badly to have a real masters.......

[gear junkie]

This is the correct spelling of "way".

[NHMaster3015]

Still wrong - slaves started being freed in 1803 in Canada until slavery was abolished in 1834.

Slavery wasn't abolished in the United States until 1865.

Yeah, I'm "sure" you've got a masters in history. Unfortunately, it's history according to YOU.

Besides, you spell waaaayyy too badly to have a real masters.......

You know what? I've given you three chances to actually answer my questions. And as you don't seem to be able to come up with anything of substance, I can only conclude that your are indeed as I first thought, a moron. Again, What have I stated that is wrong? Can you answer that or are you just going to sling baseless insults? And while I'm at it. Why in hell does slavery have anything to do with this political discussion.
And finally; What in hell do you care about United States Politics? Doesn't your own country have enough problems of it's own? What with the polar bears drowning and all. Go have a Molsen and chill out Ey.

[tinmack]

You know what? I've given you three chances to actually answer my questions. And as you don't seem to be able to come up with anything of substance, I can only conclude that your are indeed as I first thought, a moron. Again, What have I stated that is wrong? Can you answer that or are you just going to sling baseless insults? And while I'm at it. Why in hell does slavery have anything to do with this political discussion.
And finally; What in hell do you care about United States Politics? Doesn't your own country have enough problems of it's own? What with the polar bears drowning and all. Go have a Molsen and chill out Ey.


The only moron here is the guy with the "masters"......and the bad spelling......

[DuckButter]

You know what? I've given you three chances to actually answer my questions. And as you don't seem to be able to come up with anything of substance, I can only conclude that your are indeed as I first thought, a moron. Again, What have I stated that is wrong? Can you answer that or are you just going to sling baseless insults? And while I'm at it. Why in hell does slavery have anything to do with this political discussion.
And finally; What in hell do you care about United States Politics? Doesn't your own country have enough problems of it's own? What with the polar bears drowning and all. Go have a Molsen and chill out Ey.
I find myself asking the very same questions...slavery?...huh?

[ToUtahNow]

Guys lets try to keep this respectful.

Mark

[NHMaster3015]

Thank you Mark. You are right, this seems to be getting out of hand.

Tinmack, I sincerely apologize for calling you a moron and furthermore I shall refrain from making derogatory comments about your fine nation. Canada has a long and noble history of standing side by side with us through many conflicts throughout the world. I'm not sure where this whole discussion went south but I can see that it is pointless to continue with it any further.
Thanks again for your contribution.

Did I get the spelling rite? :rolleyes:

[Masterplumb]

Still wrong - slaves started being freed in 1803 in Canada until slavery was abolished in 1834.

Slavery wasn't abolished in the United States until 1865.

Yeah, I'm "sure" you've got a masters in history. Unfortunately, it's history according to YOU.

Besides, you spell waaaayyy too badly to have a real masters.......

There's that elitist liberal attitude rearing it's ugly head again. Hmmm he loses an argument and to save face starts hurling insults.

[Masterplumb]

Thank you Mark. You are right, this seems to be getting out of hand.

Tinmack, I sincerely apologize for calling you a moron and furthermore I shall refrain from making derogatory comments about your fine nation. Canada has a long and noble history of standing side by side with us through many conflicts throughout the world. I'm not sure where this whole discussion went south but I can see that it is pointless to continue with it any further.
Thanks again for your contribution.

Did I get the spelling rite? :rolleyes:

Are you serious? Do the Canadians even have a real military? Now I'm not talking about how they sleep well knowing they have a real military power to the south of them, I mean do they have a real military?

[Masterplumb]

Thank you Mark. You are right, this seems to be getting out of hand.

Tinmack, I sincerely apologize for calling you a moron and furthermore I shall refrain from making derogatory comments about your fine nation. Canada has a long and noble history of standing side by side with us through many conflicts throughout the world. I'm not sure where this whole discussion went south but I can see that it is pointless to continue with it any further.
Thanks again for your contribution.

Did I get the spelling rite? :rolleyes:

All kidding aside, don't apologize to this guy, I'm sorry but he does nothing but slam this fine nation and hurl insults at those that defend her.

[tinmack]

Thank you Mark. You are right, this seems to be getting out of hand.

Tinmack, I sincerely apologize for calling you a moron and furthermore I shall refrain from making derogatory comments about your fine nation. Canada has a long and noble history of standing side by side with us through many conflicts throughout the world. I'm not sure where this whole discussion went south but I can see that it is pointless to continue with it any further.
Thanks again for your contribution.

Did I get the spelling rite? :rolleyes:

I accept your apology, as well as offering my own for any misinterpreted comments that contributed to things going off the rails. And yes, your speeling is reeely gud. :D

[NHMaster3015]

Are you serious? Do the Canadians even have a real military? Now I'm not talking about how they sleep well knowing they have a real military power to the south of them, I mean do they have a real military?

Very serious. Canada's military is one of the finest and bravest fighting forces in the world. Highly skilled and highly trained. They have some of the latest and best military equipment in existance and know how to use it. I would be more than willing and proud to serve next to any one of them. Just because Canada, population wise is a comparitivly small nation, they have always kept their military in shape and ready.

[Frankiarmz]

All kidding aside, don't apologize to this guy, I'm sorry but he does nothing but slam this fine nation and hurl insults at those that defend her.

Ah, Masterplumb always the peace maker! Now that we are all friends again I'm gonna go rest. You guys have a safe and enjoyable weekend. :angel:

[Service Guy]

Are you serious? Do the Canadians even have a real military? Now I'm not talking about how they sleep well knowing they have a real military power to the south of them, I mean do they have a real military?

Wow, how informed you are.:rolleyes:

And so open-minded.

[Masterplumb]

Wow, how informed you are.:rolleyes:

And so open-minded.

How informed am I he asks, this is coming from an Obama supporter :way-to-go:

[Service Guy]

Their are more views in the world than your own.

[Masterplumb]

The reason for my question on Canadas military

Canada's annual military spending 18.2 Billion

The U.S. = 439 BILLION which does not include any of the wars, nuclear weaponry etc with all that stuff....626.1 billion

For 2007, the budget rose to US$439.3 billion.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#cite_note-0) This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance and production (~$9.3 billion, which is in the Department of Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Nuclear_Security_Administration) budget), Veterans Affairs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Veterans_Affairs) (~$33.2 billion) or the wars in Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) and Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29) (which are largely funded through extra-budgetary supplements, ~$170 billion in 2007).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#cite_note-1) Conversely, the military budget does allocate money for dual-use items, such as the development of infrastructure surrounding U.S. military bases. Altogether, military-related expenses totaled approximately $626.1 billion

[Masterplumb]

Their are more views in the world than your own.

Yes but none more important ;)

[Service Guy]

Yes but none more important ;)

:party-time:

Only about 7 billion others as equally important.
:party-time:
:party-time:
:party-time:

[DUNBAR]

Hey knock it off!


I get my illegal drugs from canada!

[Masterplumb]

Hey knock it off!


I get my illegal drugs from canada!

I think Canada is a fine country, I really do. I've been there many times. I love Molsen, hockey and the better side of Niagra Falls.