Working with old hub and spigot C.I.

[toolaholic]

I use a lot of Hilti epoxy in Earth Quake retros. It holds the threaded rod for anchor bolts
in foundations. The Question is , Any mechanical reason You couldn't use this epoxy to make up a joint instead of lead wool!! I can't imagine any leak or failure , It's an awesome product!

[JCsPlumbing]

Code, code, code. No epoxy code.

J.C.

[glkearns]

Tool, lets say 20 years from now I need to remodel Mrs. Smiths house which you just epoxied your fitting/pipe into and I absolutely need to put a new branch fitting as low as it can go. How the H3ll am I supposed to get that joint apart. Now I have to jackhammer Mrs. Smith's(heirs) floor up.

I think that would be a strong arguement. Besides, pouring a joint every couple of years or so is good practice.

Greg

[DuckButter]

I'm going to close my eyes, pretend you didn't ask that while I click my heels together and recite "there's no place like home...there's no place like home"

[toolaholic]

Maybe ,if I throw in a scooter vent , I'll draw out Master. Ok ,I'll still use lead wool

[glkearns]

Maybe ,if I throw in a scooter vent , I'll draw out Master. Ok ,I'll still use lead wool

Why no oakum and molten lead? Like the good ol' days?

[DuckButter]

Why no oakum and molten lead? Like the good ol' days?

Yeah, isn't he the one that tells us he's been doin' this for like 100 years er somethin'?

[toolaholic]

Actually ,this is My 47 th year in the trades. Plumbing since, 1984. Never poured lead,Don't have the tools , I'll pack lead wool , have some at the shop from about 10 years ago.
If I can find it! Thanks' for the advice

[glkearns]

I'll have to dig up my tools and exchange a couple of joint pouring lessons for a couple of welding lessons.

And there will be a test.

Greg

[toolaholic]

you're on. #3 daughter , 2 grandsons , will be at the shop this Thur. from Wash. state.
My son Brian and I are going to have them weld most of the day. Also we'll be playing with the plasma cutter. Projects are 2 stainless Guitars,4 Orcas [killer wales cut outs ] , for their
Island home in the San Jauns. Obstruction Island. If You can .stop By for some lessons.
I'll buy lunch,You have My # Off to Bed. Tool

[Masterplumb]

Actually ,this is My 47 th year in the trades. Plumbing since, 1984. Never poured lead,Don't have the tools , I'll pack lead wool , have some at the shop from about 10 years ago.
If I can find it! Thanks' for the advice

Being you're in the trades for 47 years I'm sure you know that it's not the lead that makes the joint water tight its the oakum, so yes I guess you could use epoxy but then again you could probably use anything that will hold the oakum in place. Maybe if you dont have the proper tools you could use TY seals

[se215]

how do you use lead wool in the joint?
i have always packed oakum and poured lead
do you just pack the lead wool into the joint
do you need anything else

[plumberscrack]

how do you use lead wool in the joint?
i have always packed oakum and poured lead
do you just pack the lead wool into the joint
do you need anything else


A Hackers license :p

[toolaholic]

Thanks again. bought 3 caulking irons Oakum and lead wool. did about 1" of lead It took about 1/2 hour. Water tested fine. We installed a driveway drain in S.F. This got connected to the C.I. house drain. I'm checking craigs list for the lead setup, Next one will be poured

[PLUMBER RICK]

lead wool is not legal:eek:

but on a horizontal joint under a house, i close my eyes and look the other way:D

i keep enough lead and oakum in the truck to do a few 4'' joints.

i have 3 boxes of oakum as when you don't have it handy, you need to buy a whole box. so now i have 3:D

i still like poured closet rings.

rick.

[toolaholic]

Thanks Rick ,have the irons, and ladle plenty of 20 lb propane tanks. Need the rest.
want to do the right thing. I'm on the hunt for the rest

[glkearns]

If you are just doing one joint i usuallyjust melt the lead right in the ladle. I only do a couple a year. Most of the time I can cut off the hub and mission coupling onto the pipe.

Greg

[toolaholic]

Thanks Greg. I will get the large pot. Runners ect. I like plumbing, and want to learn more before I croak. I have several weed burners from welding. I could fab. up My own burner set up.what do You think? checking E bay and Craigs list

[NHMaster3015]

IPC won't let you use lead wool or silicone, epoxy or anything else other than lead that you can think of, though I've seen a lot of siliconed joionts over the years and noe have leaked.

[Buckwheat]

Another source for lead tools is old retired telephone guys. There is still a lot of lead covered telephone cables in the ground and ductwork.

Most joints were pot wiped much the same as old lead plumbing.:cool:

[DuckButter]

how do you use lead wool in the joint?
i have always packed oakum and poured lead
do you just pack the lead wool into the joint
do you need anything else

Actually, in a pinch lead wool melts alot faster.
For the price difference I say not so fast that I'd use it though.

[NHMaster3015]

I like old wheel weights. They have a little antimony in them so the lead sets harder. Besides the auto shop gives them to us for free and in a public high school free is the absolute best word in the dictionary.

[BHD]

this is kinda off the subject, but was stated,
How the H3ll am I supposed to get that joint apart.
but for loctite and epoxies most of the time jsut heat the joint or bolt or what ever up some and usly it will come apart with relative ease, most of this type of product, fail when heated, normaly less than 500 degrees,

there are heat resistant epoxies, but you normally have to go out looking for them,

[drtyhands]

I like old wheel weights. They have a little antimony in them so the lead sets harder. Besides the auto shop gives them to us for free and in a public high school free is the absolute best word in the dictionary.Go talk to the sheriff and see were his boys like to practice.See if he'll let the kids sift out the lead.Something about cops helping kids goes over well in every community.Kids will get a kick out of it.
A buddy of mine is allowed to sift out lead where law enforcement trains north of here.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Go talk to the sheriff and see were his boys like to practice.See if he'll let the kids sift out the lead.Something about cops helping kids goes over well in every community.Kids will get a kick out of it.
A buddy of mine is allowed to sift out lead where law enforcement trains north of here.


adam, he might need to talk to the deputy:confused:


sheriff's been shot:eek:

but they didn't shoot the deputy:D

rick.

[gear junkie]

You just ruined Bob for me Rick. Nice try though.

[drtyhands]

Actually, in a pinch lead wool melts alot faster.
For the price difference I say not so fast that I'd use it though.
I can't remember the brand(eighties),but everytime I tried to melt lead wool I got a lot of slag and noxious fumes.

[PLUMBER RICK]

guys, lead wool is like $20.00 a pound now:eek:

don't go burning it up:thumbup2:

rick.

[DuckButter]

A friend of mine, plumber, was ragging me for noticing a bucket of lead rings from demo'd CI joints.
He told me "Buddy, leads not that expensive"...I told him he'd been working for a shop too long.

[myakka]

We reused the lead from old CI demos too. Smashing the hubs and pulling the lead was good busy work for the apprentices. We rarely purchased lead.

[NHMaster3015]

Rick, that was just awful:D

[DuckButter]

I can hook 'im up @ $15.