k-60 impressionator

[PLUMBER RICK]

who said the k-60 can't cut roots?

who said the k-60 can't clean a 6'' line?

who has doubt's about the k-60?

maybe they should have been with me yesterday as i tackled a main line stoppage in a line that hasn't been snaked since 12/04.

4'' cleanout access 74' out, in 6'' clay lateral in street.

i put the green pencil there to give you an idea of the size of these roots.

the cutter that i used is a 3.5'' spiral root saw.

the front 15' cable section is a ridgid innercore. c-10 ic. 7/8''.
the balance is regular c-10 7/8''

the other roots and wipes were opened with my cut off cable/ auger in a reverse rotation. this is what allowed me to open the line and allow the saw cutter to work.

the tree that keeps me busy is a ficus. they have a root system that lifts sidewalks and pipe.

so now are you a believer in the k-60 impressionator:love2:

rick.

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4114&d=1219763224 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4114&d=1219763224)
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4115&d=1219763244 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4115&d=1219763244)
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4116&d=1219763269 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4116&d=1219763269)
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4117&d=1219763288 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4117&d=1219763288)

[All Clear Sewer]

Childs Play :nyaa-nyaa4:

[Josh]

whats it gonna take to impressionate Steve.

[PLUMBER RICK]

whats it gonna take to impressionate Steve.

don't waste your time, he won't change and he won't show.


now my other buddy steve, did call me after he saw this thread.

was he impressed:rolleyes:

his old shop just purchased an impressionator. while we were at the roundup:D

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

whats it gonna take to impressionate Steve.

Josh something like this might ;)
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040542-med.JPG

Hey Rick :nyaa-nyaa4:


BTW.... I just checked out my CD of the round up.... Cool video for sure ;)

[Service Guy]

Those are some seriously THICK roots! Great job Rick.
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4114&d=1219763224

[JCsPlumbing]

How long does it take you to cut all of those out of the cable?

J.C.

[PLUMBER RICK]

How long does it take you to cut all of those out of the cable?

J.C.

less time than it took to post this:D

a couple seconds. as they just peeled off on the big stuff.

the smaller roots took a minute with just a scratch awl tool. a pruner would have been 15 seconds.

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Cave-Man.gif
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040413-med.JPG
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497080708_1629_00_-med.jpg

[PLUMBER RICK]

allclear, the point i'm making is the size of the roots i was able to cut.

there is only 1 root i see that is bigger than a tooth pick in your picture:crying:

hi speed is what cuts the roots. k-60

hi torque is what breaks the roots.

show me roots that are 1/2'' in diameter.

don't worry, as i have larger ones to post.

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

News flash for you Rick
Those roots in your picture were not CUT! Look at the ends, they are broken ends, not cut ends ;)

don't worry, as i have larger ones to post.

rick.
Oh I`m sure of that :killingme:

Hey Rick :nyaa-nyaa4:

[gear junkie]

Just for the record, at the next roundup, you two play with each other by yourself. Otherwise no one will be able to get a word in as you two are always trying to outdo each other.

[All Clear Sewer]

Ben that's cool but when he wants to arm wrestle, I`m pimp you out to take my spot ;)

[gear junkie]

No biggie Steve but I think it's not fair to pick on Rick about the arm wrestling competition. He had no idea I was going bring a can with me. A CAN OF WHOOP A$$ THAT IS. HAHAHAHAHA

[PLUMBER RICK]

News flash for you Rick
Those roots in your picture were not CUT! Look at the ends, they are broken ends, not cut ends ;)


Oh I`m sure of that :killingme:

Hey Rick :nyaa-nyaa4:

you really think so:confused:

i still have them in my truck and i know that they were cut. the large diameter ends were not torn. torn would not be a clean cut, but a frayed end.

still haven't seen any large diameter roots posted yet?

i rather doubt you'll match the ones i will post.

so it takes, a sectional man to do your dirty work.

well ben, i guess the sectional men also rule the arm wrestling table too:D. not just the drain cleaning table;)

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

i rather doubt you'll match the ones i will post.


and I`m sure your next post will say:
You dad can beat up my dad :killingme:

Rick is this not your picture?
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4116&d=1219763269

If they were cut, there would be a nice sharp clean end to the root. I see a root raped around a cable with a torn end.
Try again, Hey it`s your picture not mine :killingme:
You can claim what ever you want, but if you post a picture make sure it`s what you claim or someone may call BS....rotflmao :rolleyes:

BTW.... the root is raped around the outside of the cutter and in front of it, with a torn end :nyaa-nyaa4:

[PLUMBER RICK]

maybe you need to check your terminology.

i see a longitude slice. that's why the color of the slice is not yellow.

if you want, i'll bag it up and mail it to you for closer examination.

plus i don't think you've actually seen roots of this girth:rolleyes:

remember i've got pictures of even larger ones.

what's wrong can't dig up anything bigger:confused:

now if you want to compare area drains, they even get bigger.

in fact i have one at my shop that is from 4 years ago and it's still a keeper.

sun will be rising for you soon, so get going to dig up a monster.

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

Try again, the skin is torn off just like braking a green branch off a tree.

If it`s from the cutter, it would be behind the cutting head not way out in front and the skinned spot would be turned towards the cutter.

Look at how many raps of root you have, now go a head and tell me it`s not torn off. If that cutter was so state of the art you wouldn't have any roots raped around the cable as they would be to small to do so. You know all chopped up ;)

Hey Rick :kma:

[PLUMBER RICK]

tell you what, i'll go ahead and take a photo of the entire root all stretched out. maybe even some closeup to show the cuttings.

of course the small roots get torn as they are pulled in the twisting. the large roots are cut.

do you know how tuff a 1/2'' root is to pull and snap. i doubt that i can pull it with all my strength.

the other picture of smaller roots are from a cable with no cutter. just a reverse wound auger with a bend. so those are snapped off as there is no true cutter or blades.

i will get a photo today when i unload the trash.

still waiting for a photo of roots 1/2'' and larger.

remember i still have larger roots to post.

still not impressed, alltalk and no show:slap:

allclear= alltalk:killingme::ignore:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

You keep Roots around this long after cleaning a sewer? :barf:
Please don't tell me that you hang roots on your walls. :shocked:
When I clear a sewer I take all the trash to a trash can. I just cant see why someone would keep em around as long as you Rick. I guess if you don't see em every day then you think you have really stumbled upon something new to the world. :poke:
I have seen enough roots they all look the same to me. A tampon is a tampon and roots are roots ;)
Where do you keep all the tampons you retrieve? :poke:


still waiting for a photo of roots 1/2'' and larger.

remember i still have larger roots to post.

still not impressed, alltalk and no show:slap:

allclear= alltalk:killingme::ignore:

rick.Careful what you wish for Turbo, someone may make you look silly.
Will 3/4" do :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1231_00_-med.jpg

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1233_00_-med.jpg

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1230_00_-med.jpg

And here is where they came from.

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082108_1817_00_-med.jpg

Hey Rick :nanner:

[plumberjr]

maybe at the next roundup u 2 can put on gloves and get it over with

[plumberscrack]

It won't end til they both unzip their trousers to see which has a bigger root

:deadhorse:

[All Clear Sewer]

I don`t think it`ll go that far .....rotflmao
I don`t roll that way :killingme:

[drainman881999]

K-1500-380-60-50-750+Bad back=K-60-lightweight,7/8 cable with bent end does 2" lines through I.5" stack,add funnel or other cutter head and does a very good job on roots.Now don't laught-(well laught anyway)-Tie a towel around Funnel head and make a mop to swab
Soft grease from lines when your jetter is down or to far away.Works well(I do this only for last resort,has never failed yet).And last 7/8" cable with K-75 will unclog 10' Main out to 225'.If I ever find someone serious about working ,not losing or breaking eguip. etc; Then I will revamp k-750's or buy ALLCLEAR;'S favorite. But for, now-THANKS RIdgid for the k-60. MY2 year old grandsonhxz is helpingzw7uh8ds me

[PLUMBER RICK]

You keep Roots around this long after cleaning a sewer? :barf:

only the ones that are unique or large enough to knock you off your rocker:rolleyes:
Please don't tell me that you hang roots on your walls. :shocked:

no
When I clear a sewer I take all the trash to a trash can. I just cant see why someone would keep em around as long as you Rick. I guess if you don't see em every day then you think you have really stumbled upon something new to the world. :poke:

now with digital cameras, it's not too important to keep them for the customer.

I have seen enough roots they all look the same to me. A tampon is a tampon and roots are roots ;)
Where do you keep all the tampons you retrieve? :poke:
Careful what you wish for Turbo, someone may make you look silly.
Will 3/4" do :killingme:

not even close to 3/4''. keep wishing for jaws and 1 day you might land a big fish.

lets just say i kept the drum cable too that came out with the root as a suviner.
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1231_00_-med.jpg

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1233_00_-med.jpg

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497082808_1230_00_-med.jpg



as soon as i get back to my shop at a decent hour, i'll take the photo. there is an original print photo that the customer took while i held it.
i'll try to find that one too.

but in the mean time here is a little refresher of the power of a sectional.

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4134&d=1219987742 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4134&d=1219987742)
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4135&d=1219987770 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4135&d=1219987770)
http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4136&d=1219987815 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4136&d=1219987815)

this was taken from an indoor toilet closet flange. the cable is 1.25'' sectional and the brass nipple is 1/2'' ips.

don't worry as i still have bigger. these didn't make it back to the shop wall of fame.

rick.

[drainman881999]

Rick,is that the spiral root cutter attachtment?

[wrench spinner]

Well that flange looks just a teensy bit low huh, what 1, 1 1/2"?

[PLUMBER RICK]

the cutter pictured is a spiral root saw 3''.

the cable is a 1.25'' innerwound general:eek:

but i do use the same cutter on my k-60 7/8'' cable.;)

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Well that flange looks just a teensy bit low huh, what 1, 1 1/2"?

looks to be 3/4'' low.

what do you expect for $25k a month, perfection:smack-head:

amazing thing is that the renter never complained or never used this toilet.

it was discovered during an open house by the realtor.

glad they had marble as the rest of the area was white carpets:eek:

this was from march of 08.

rick.

[wrench spinner]

what do you expect for $25k a month, perfection:smack-head:


Sick!

[All Clear Sewer]

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4136&d=1219987815
Rick this is nothing, did you forget this one?
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040542.JPG

and your big one just crackes me up, is that all you got???

I`ll have to look in my CD`s and see if I can find one of my many BIG FISH.
You just crack me up Rick.
I`ll see if I can find the one where I not only got the roots but also the sectional cable the other guy had to leave behind :loser:

this is Fun :D


Hey Rick :kiss:

[wrench spinner]

I can pee farther than you can.......


:nyaa-nyaa4:



.....Yeah well I can fill up that 5 gallon pail!!!



:rotflmao1:

[All Clear Sewer]

:killingme:

This is PlumberRick --> http://dragboatalley.com/ubb/graemlins/csmiley14.gif I will Win damn-it! I wont give-up!

This is All Clear Sewer --> :killingme:

[PLUMBER RICK]

interesting as the photos i posted are of the large diameter roots, and all you come back with is a large hairball.

did you forget we're talking sharks, not a little school of guppies.

now go back and focus in on that tree branch.

even in the photo, at my feet is a sample of that branch sticking up.

your whole hair ball can fit in a 5 gallon bucket.

i've needed a trash can before.


ask anybody at the roundup if the 7500 could have been used in the board buster contest that bill won:nyaa-nyaa4:

that was a 3/4'' pine board 1 x 6''. in 7+ seconds. for a 2''+ size hole.

even i did it in 9+ seconds.

i guess we can always let you play with card-board:D

rick.

[wrench spinner]

we should post a pool as to how long this pissing contest is going to last.... I am thinking we can break 5 more pages at least!!

[PLUMBER RICK]

p.s that hair ball is a measly 10' long:D

like i said, wait till i bring out jaws or shamu.

rick.

i guess the rooster is really a chicken in your photo:killingme:

here is what is left of the roots from my photo after i destroyed all the big stuff and it's 9' long.

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4139&d=1220025005 (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4139&d=1220025005)

[PLUMBER RICK]

we should post a pool as to how long this pissing contest is going to last.... I am thinking we can break 5 more pages at least!!

i'll work on it this weekend;)

need to get to the job now:eek:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

10` :killingme:
Try again, You can read a tape??? NO??? :shrug:
:idea: I think Rick likes the big pictures because they make his roots look bigger :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040541.JPG



Hey Rick :canoodle:

[Gene Bickford]

we should post a pool as to how long this pissing contest is going to last.... I am thinking we can break 5 more pages at least!!


5 pages, that's it??
I'm in for at least 25 more pages. That should just about get us to the next roundup. Then they will each win something and we'll never hear the end of it:eek:.:D


I can see each of them now trying to drag their monster roots onto the plane, mumbling incoherently.:D

[All Clear Sewer]

Not me, I`ve never found a keeper and don't plan to look all that hard either....lol
Rick now on the other hand is already boxing up his root collection for the roundup :smack-head: I bet some of em he`s had to chainsaw up just to make room for the others. :speechless:

[gear junkie]

we should post a pool as to how long this pissing contest is going to last.... I am thinking we can break 5 more pages at least!!
I think think this is the funniest thing right now. Joey, did you find Rick's string? If not, ask Steve where it is because he pulls Rick's string and Rick just keeps going. This is almost as good as the NHmaster joke.

[All Clear Sewer]

http://wzus.ask.com/r?t=a&d=us&s=a&c=p&ti=1&ai=30751&l=dir&o=0&sv=0a30050c&ip=459b2f76&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.x-entertainment.com%2Farticles%2F0925%2F13.jpg

[Service Guy]

Rick wins...thickest roots posted so far.

I don't think there is a cable machine on earth that can cut roots better than a K-1500 with 1.25" innercore sectional cable and the spiral saw-cutter. Ricks pics prove that so far, I've never seen a drum machine cut roots that thick...and I probably never will.

Where's the pics of the thick roots Allclear? Those big long beard roots you keep posting are child's play, it doesn't matter how LONG the beard is when all the beard-roots are teensy-tiny in thickness.
SHOW ME THE THICK ROOTS!

So far Rick Wins.:nanner:

[Service Guy]

Also, Rick has almost every ridgid machine there is. He could easily use his K-7500 if he wanted too...but he likes his sectionals since they work better.:lol:

[Service Guy]

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1040541.JPG




Ooooo, look at how teeny-tiny those little hair-roots are!!!!

Maybe you should change your name to ALMOSTCLEAR.:killingme:


Sorry to add fuel to the fire, but this thread is so frickin' funny. I have to stick up for teh sectional guys.:D

[HouseOfAtlas]

Even women like them thicker :D

[plumberscrack]

This is what I don't get.............

How does a root get to be 16' 4" and NOT stop the sewer up

And why is it long and not fat?

All I get are tight root balls less than 3 or 4 feet long

If I find a root more than 1/4" thick it's very rare

Why is there never poo or TP on the roots when I pull them back?

Just a few things to ponder

[Service Guy]

This is what I don't get.............

How does a root get to be 16' 4" and NOT stop the sewer up

And why is it long and not fat?

All I get are tight root balls less than 3 or 4 feet long

If I find a root more than 1/4" thick it's very rare

Why is there never poo or TP on the roots when I pull them back?

Just a few things to ponder

I think its regional...it depends on the soil and the type of roots that grow there.

When I worked in Long Island, we would get some fairly large root beards, here in NC I rarely see them that long. I have never seen them as long as ALMOSTCLEAR post.
Maybe its a Kansas thing, we should ask ALMOSTCLEAR.:killingme:

[All Clear Sewer]

heres what I get ----> :killingme:

BTW... Rick used a drill on those roots not a K-60 :killingme: didn`t you Ricky ....rotflmao
Yep, I remember the post :killingme:

[All Clear Sewer]

Rick wins...thickest roots posted so far.

I don't think there is a cable machine on earth that can cut roots better than a K-1500 with 1.25" innercore sectional cable and the spiral saw-cutter. Ricks pics prove that so far, I've never seen a drum machine cut roots that thick...and I probably never will.

Where's the pics of the thick roots Allclear? Those big long beard roots you keep posting are child's play, it doesn't matter how LONG the beard is when all the beard-roots are teensy-tiny in thickness.
SHOW ME THE THICK ROOTS!

So far Rick Wins.:nanner:
You show me whay you got and I`ll show you a BIG one, till then I`m back to poking at Rick. Service Guy, You are childs play till then ;) Get a little more time under your belt, your not ready to play with the big gun`s just yet :killingme:

[Service Guy]

Sorry I picked on you Allclear. You've got some good points about your 7500. And your new avatar is pretty hilarious. I love those caveman commercials.

[PLUMBER RICK]

heres what I get ----> :killingme:

BTW... Rick used a drill on those roots not a K-60 :killingme: didn`t you Ricky ....rotflmao
Yep, I remember the post :killingme:

considering i said i used a 1.25'' cable, it doesn't take a master to know 1.25'' is not a k-60 section.

yes it was a drill as the roots started from the inside of the flange down.

once again, no way would a 7500 have been able to do this. same reason why the board buster contest was a 1500 sectional and not a drum.

rick.

[toolaholic]

Rick and A Clear, This is affecting Your respect Here! It can be FIXED in only one way.
A DUEL with single shot pistols. One set of seconds ,will also be armed ! Either one Cowards
out, is banned for life in this community! Knives are acceptable if both partys agree.
Time, and place to be announced later, to foil the sheriff.

[plumberjr]

ouch---if u guys keep going , ill nominate this for post of the week----someone just cant take a loss, huh!!!!!!!!i never thought id hear 2 grown men argueing about how much crappy roots they pulled out

all clear--that rootball is pretty impressive---noone can top that--the longest i have ever pulled is about 5 ft long---thats nothing compared to yours

we all know this---allclear pulled those roots with a drum machine----rick pulled his with a sectional--not a k60--as the toy could not handle this real world work:D:D:D:D--chalk another W for the drummer:happydance:

[PLUMBER RICK]

we all know this---allclear pulled those roots with a drum machine----rick pulled his with a sectional--not a k60--as the toy could not handle this


wrong.

my original post and this thread is with my k-60 and 7/8'' cable. the one with the pencil.

the last photos are with my 1.25'' sectional just to show the power of a sectional cable.

i don't think any of us were confused. it was pretty clear if you follow the thread.

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick and A Clear, This is affecting Your respect Here! It can be FIXED in only one way.
A DUEL with single shot pistols. One set of seconds ,will also be armed ! Either one Cowards
out, is banned for life in this community! Knives are acceptable if both partys agree.
Time, and place to be announced later, to foil the sheriff.

if you watch the round up video clips that josh posted, you'll see a laser tag game that shocks the looser.

watch as i shock aaron and robert:shocked2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeORk6QLeIU

there is plenty more shocking left in it for allclear. problem is he doesn't want to come out and play:shakehead:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

And your new avatar is pretty hilarious.
I think Ricky likes it too! :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Cave-Man.gif

[All Clear Sewer]

wrong.

my original post and this thread is with my k-60 and 7/8'' cable. the one with the pencil.

the last photos are with my 1.25'' sectional just to show the power of a sectional cable. Broken cable on a drill

i don't think any of us were confused. it was pretty clear if you follow the thread.

rick.
so then your saying that the K-60 is no match for the K-7500 when it comes to Big End Roots like my 3/4 root.. Ok Now we are getting some where. :killingme:

Hey Rick :grin-loving:

[ToUtahNow]

This is getting beyond silly. Each of you have posted pictures which speak for themselves. Anyone here who has more than a couple years of working in the industry can make their own call.

Mark

[Service Guy]

I think Ricky likes it too! :killingme:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Cave-Man.gif

Cracks me up every time I see it! :killingme:

[Ace Sewer]

So, a local plumber who refers drain cleaning to me called me up the other day and said he had a k-60 he'd got off another buddy who'd moved on. He didn't use it and wanted it gone. I paid $250 for it, some 5/8 cable, some 7/8 cable and a box of bits, mitts, guide hose, etc. It's the older one, the gray case with the red stripe. I've use it once, mostly because I'd just got it and wanted to try it out.

Really it was a nightmare. Cable flopping around dripping everywhere, getting caught in itself in the carriers, etc. It popped the clog, a main line grease clog in a house about 80' out, but I had to jet it afterward anyway as the line was a roller coaster full of grease collected in the dips.

Honestly, I got out of there in 2 hours after popping it, camera, jet, and camera again to locate dips and verify clear, but only because I had another guy with me to help manage the cables. I'd have done it in 2 hours alone with a drum, or less if I'd just jetted straight off. If I'd not been in a basement with a concrete floor I could drip on, it would have been longer. Am I missing something? How do you keep from dripping all over everything with this? Do I just need to spend some more time with it? Maybe some covers for the cable carriers, though the way the cable gets caught in itself in the carrier they would have to be removeable to get the cable out. It really isn't much more portable than the drum, just breaks into smaller lighter pieces. I'll use it some more, but I suspect it is going to become a special needs machine for me for very cramped accesses or small galvy lines that I can't get the jetter through.

[All Clear Sewer]

So, a local plumber who refers drain cleaning to me called me up the other day and said he had a k-60 he'd got off another buddy who'd moved on. He didn't use it and wanted it gone. I paid $250 for it, some 5/8 cable, some 7/8 cable and a box of bits, mitts, guide hose, etc. It's the older one, the gray case with the red stripe. I've use it once, mostly because I'd just got it and wanted to try it out.

Really it was a nightmare. Cable flopping around dripping everywhere, getting caught in itself in the carriers, etc. It popped the clog, a main line grease clog in a house about 80' out, but I had to jet it afterward anyway as the line was a roller coaster full of grease collected in the dips.

Honestly, I got out of there in 2 hours after popping it, camera, jet, and camera again to locate dips and verify clear, but only because I had another guy with me to help manage the cables. I'd have done it in 2 hours alone with a drum, or less if I'd just jetted straight off. If I'd not been in a basement with a concrete floor I could drip on, it would have been longer. Am I missing something? How do you keep from dripping all over everything with this? Do I just need to spend some more time with it? Maybe some covers for the cable carriers, though the way the cable gets caught in itself in the carrier they would have to be removeable to get the cable out. It really isn't much more portable than the drum, just breaks into smaller lighter pieces. I'll use it some more, but I suspect it is going to become a special needs machine for me for very cramped accesses or small galvy lines that I can't get the jetter through.

Hey Rick :bash:

[HouseOfAtlas]

So, a local plumber who refers drain cleaning to me called me up the other day and said he had a k-60 he'd got off another buddy who'd moved on. He didn't use it and wanted it gone. I paid $250 for it, some 5/8 cable, some 7/8 cable and a box of bits, mitts, guide hose, etc. It's the older one, the gray case with the red stripe. I've use it once, mostly because I'd just got it and wanted to try it out.

Really it was a nightmare. Cable flopping around dripping everywhere, getting caught in itself in the carriers, etc. It popped the clog, a main line grease clog in a house about 80' out, but I had to jet it afterward anyway as the line was a roller coaster full of grease collected in the dips.

Honestly, I got out of there in 2 hours after popping it, camera, jet, and camera again to locate dips and verify clear, but only because I had another guy with me to help manage the cables. I'd have done it in 2 hours alone with a drum, or less if I'd just jetted straight off. If I'd not been in a basement with a concrete floor I could drip on, it would have been longer. Am I missing something? How do you keep from dripping all over everything with this? Do I just need to spend some more time with it? Maybe some covers for the cable carriers, though the way the cable gets caught in itself in the carrier they would have to be removeable to get the cable out. It really isn't much more portable than the drum, just breaks into smaller lighter pieces. I'll use it some more, but I suspect it is going to become a special needs machine for me for very cramped accesses or small galvy lines that I can't get the jetter through.

I usually set a big tarp down and set everything on it. My first job was somewhat of a nightmare (but was cleared pretty quick), but after reading some posts on what other people do and how they set up, it's been much easier.

When you pull the cable back, do you get the machine out of the way and just throw it back in the carrier?

Did you have the guide tube on?

[PLUMBER RICK]

don't care how good anybody thinks they are at drain cleaning.

when using a different piece of equipment, there is a learning curve.

i'm sure standing side by side with anyone doing the same job, an experienced operator will be much more proficient than an inexperienced operator.

try again and read some of the tips and tricks.

there are plenty of ways to keep it clean, fast and safe.

rick.

[Ace Sewer]

Guide tube on back of machine, add/remove cable in sections, carrier at back of guide tube, need the tarp to set the carrier and end of guide tube on as they come back wet

downsides as I'm running it are

need 15' or so of clear space to lay guide tube out.

makes a second dirty spot; one at working end of machine, one at end of guide tube

moving self back and forth between front of machine and guide tube end to add/remove sections

time lost adding/removing sections.... this will be smoother once I wd40 the spring pins; it had all sat out in the weather a while and they were rusty and stubborn.... there is still time lost there though

upsides are? I do like the way the cable negotiates bends while still carrying some power.... I think the 7/8 open will take more torque abuse than the 1/2" inner core I typically use. Also, This has the Ridgid bits which unlike my current threaded suds I can run in reverse w/o unspinning a bit, though there are alternatives for that for the drum.

I suppose I could just curl the guide tube back to where I am working and place the carrier there and have one bigger dirty spot and not have to go back and forth? that would be easier if I have the space. I do think I will like the power and flexibility of the open cable, not sure if it will be worth the setup hassles vs just rolling in the drum machine. obviously the cleanliness issues dissapear if working outside, though there I am usually jetting anyway.

[ToUtahNow]

I connect and disconnect my cables at the front of the machine and I keep the carrier next to me. I also perfer the K-50 for 5/8" cable.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

I just use a drum machine and there is no mess :party-on:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497062908_0853_00_-med.jpg

[PLUMBER RICK]

news flash:D

so joey and i are "playing" at our local hardware store and in walks the owner of roots in this thread. since he wasn't home when i did the job, i pulled them up on the stores computer;)

needless to say he was impressed:D

true story, adam and joey were here.

rick.

[Herk]

I'm certainly no expert having only used the K-60 once so far. But I was in a cramped space. No problem - I just laid out the tarp and wrapped the guide hose around behind me. The machine sits close to the drain with just enough cable out to lift and feed.

What's with the mess? I ran water in the line while pulling back the cable and got nothing out of the guide hose. I feed the cable into the front of the machine and then hook it to the piece in the drain.

With much of the pulling-back, I simply pull the cable out and shove it back in the reel - not back into the machine.

[All Clear Sewer]

With much of the pulling-back, I simply pull the cable out and shove it back in the reel - not back into the machine.

I dont have to PULL CABLE or PUSH CABLE or SHOVE it back in the reel- not back in to the machine, as it does all that for me :D

[HouseOfAtlas]

I dont have to PULL CABLE or PUSH CABLE or SHOVE it back in the reel- not back in to the machine, as it does all that for me :D

I bet that 275+ pound machine is heavy going up 15+ stairs though, huh? :D

[All Clear Sewer]

nope not bad at all.
If I have a job like that I just use one of my guy`s to help out and I make more money for a 2 man team :nyaa-nyaa4:
Thats how it works in the real world :D

[plumberjr]

why wont anyone just admit the truth---drummers are cleaner and quicker---
sectionals are messy and a pain in the azz--

ok, some of u might have done 1 job with a sectional and didnot make a mess--every time i use my drum, i have no mess--
THIS ISNT EVEN AN ARGUEMENT--DRUMS ARE EASIER ON THE USER AND CLEANER FOR THE HOMEOWNER----WHEN IM 60, ID RATHER STILL BE SITTING ON MY BUCKET USING THE DRUM, THAN FIGHTING A SECTIONAL----ADMIT IT--SO WOULD ALL OF US

[ToUtahNow]

I have an idea why don't we total all of the years of experience for the guys who prefer drum machines against the guys who prefer sectional machines. While I own both if I had to pick one or the other it would be a sectional.

35-years

Mark

[HouseOfAtlas]

nope not bad at all.
If I have a job like that I just use one of my guy`s to help out and I make more money for a 2 man team :nyaa-nyaa4:
Thats how it works in the real world :D

Yeah. A helper would be helpful :D

I'm just curious what you would do if you were just a one man crew. Say you couldn't find any good help. Would you ever consider using a sectional?

[Herk]

I am 60, and I have no desire to sit on a bucket.

I'm enjoying the sectional. Once again, I didn't get my khakis dirty. It could get interesting with an overhead drain, I suppose, but even with the mess that was there when I showed up, it was less messy when I left. I was complimented on taking pains to keep the lady's house clean.

I ran drums for about ten years or more - more than one kind. I'm really liking the light weight of the K-60 and the ease of getting it to a basement. In this case, I had to go into a floor drain with the cleanout facing the wrong direction because of space, which was very limited. In fact, without moving a lot of the HO's junk, I wouldn't have been able to get a drum into the job area. Feeding the cable toward me was no more problem than feeding it away from me. And that great open-wind cable did a good job of grabbing baby wipes.

If I were working on an outside cleanout, the drum might be easier. I'd like to get one just for that someday. I wouldn't want to be taking drums with 125' of cable up on any roofs or into tight spaces.

[PLUMBER RICK]

I have an idea why don't we total all of the years of experience for the guys who prefer drum machines against the guys who prefer sectional machines. While I own both if I had to pick one or the other it would be a sectional.

35-years

Mark

what mark said;)

32+ years:eek:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

Yeah. A helper would be helpful :D

I'm just curious what you would do if you were just a one man crew. Say you couldn't find any good help. Would you ever consider using a sectional?
I make my money by getting in there and getting the job done, with that said "IF" I didn't have help to do a 2 man job I`d pass on it. Just like it`s not my fault they don't have a C/O with access. I passed on one Saturday because the guy said he was gonna try to rent a machine and do it him self but if he couldn't get it would I bring my machine down in his basement on Sunday. I said "no" My help wont work on a holiday weekend with-out big overtime pay. Now if the guy had a outside C/O I might have taken time off painting my shop (thats where my helper was anyway...lol) and done the job but no C/O, I`m not wasting my time on some DIY guy that will try and do it again himself next time.
"IF" I had a 1500 I still wouldn't drag that machine up and down stairs.
"IF" I only had a K-60 I couldn't and wouldn't be in business with just one little machine. That`s just silly.
Now "IF" I had all that I have now and added a K-60 I would still have passed on that job as that guy told me he was a DIY guy. I have a bad back and I`m not gonna cary a K-60 and 125` of cable up and down stairs either and fight cable in a basement and have a mess to clean up.;)
If I was I would charge extra for clean up so why make the mess when I can do it with my K-7500. either way it`s gonna cost more then if they had a C/O with access.

I do a country club that I have to clean over head. I just use a 10` cut off 2" pvc pipe. I stick it on the front of the K-7500 and angle it up to the 4" c/o that`s 8` over head with a 55gal trash can underneath the c/o. I set on my buck and push the lever to feed out cable. How you gonna do that job with a K-60. You gonna have to stand on a ladder and take a chance in getting hurt and missing work till you heal up.
I`ll stick with what works best and what does all the works for me :D

I`m in business to make money, not to do favors.
It`s all about the money and if it`s a two man job I charge for it.

[PLUMBER RICK]

what other do with 2 men or more, i do by myself.

having the proper equipment and knowledge/ experience is the difference between being able to do it yourself and needing help.

i don't care if it's a 100 gallon 750# heater or a sewer stoppage without a clean out. there is always a way to get it done.

sure having a helper would typically make things go faster. but there is a cost. workers comp and liability to cover the helper is not something i want to deal with. i've never had a claim and i don't want to start now.

i would rather not have to worry about a helper and do it myself, even if i spend another 10 minutes in carrying equipment and cleaning up.

having made the proper choices in equipment is why i can do jobs that the big companies can't. why do you think i get referrals from more than just 1 other plumbing co that does the same line of work as me:confused:

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

I make my money by getting in there and getting the job done, with that said "IF" I didn't have help to do a 2 man job I`d pass on it. Just like it`s not my fault they don't have a C/O with access. I passed on one Saturday because the guy said he was gonna try to rent a machine and do it him self but if he couldn't get it would I bring my machine down in his basement on Sunday. I said "no" My help wont work on a holiday weekend with-out big overtime pay. Now if the guy had a outside C/O I might have taken time off painting my shop (thats where my helper was anyway...lol) and done the job but no C/O, I`m not wasting my time on some DIY guy that will try and do it again himself next time.
"IF" I had a 1500 I still wouldn't drag that machine up and down stairs.
"IF" I only had a K-60 I couldn't and wouldn't be in business with just one little machine. That`s just silly.
Now "IF" I had all that I have now and added a K-60 I would still have passed on that job as that guy told me he was a DIY guy. I have a bad back and I`m not gonna cary a K-60 and 125` of cable up and down stairs either and fight cable in a basement and have a mess to clean up.;)
If I was I would charge extra for clean up so why make the mess when I can do it with my K-7500. either way it`s gonna cost more then if they had a C/O with access.

I do a country club that I have to clean over head. I just use a 10` cut off 2" pvc pipe. I stick it on the front of the K-7500 and angle it up to the 4" c/o that`s 8` over head with a 55gal trash can underneath the c/o. I set on my buck and push the lever to feed out cable. How you gonna do that job with a K-60. You gonna have to stand on a ladder and take a chance in getting hurt and missing work till you heal up.
I`ll stick with what works best and what does all the works for me :D

I`m in business to make money, not to do favors.
It`s all about the money and if it`s a two man job I charge for it.

The only problem I have with your post is I believe you are saying the fact you do not own the proper equipment to make it a one man job you will charge the customer for two men. That is where it is important as a professional to own a variety of equipment rather than just one main machine. As I have posted before each of our trucks had at least 5-machines and some of those machines used as many as 4-different cable sizes. Whether you are a drum man or a sectional man no one machine will work for every situation.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

what other do with 2 men or more, i do by myself.

having the proper equipment and knowledge/ experience is the difference between being able to do it yourself and needing help.

i don't care if it's a 100 gallon 750# heater or a sewer stoppage without a clean out. there is always a way to get it done.



rick.
Rick so what your saying here is that you don't make enough money to have a helper and you are awaiting a Darwin award.

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Ricks-Darwin.gif

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick so what your saying here is that you don't make enough money to have a helper and you are awaiting a Darwin award.

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Ricks-Darwin.gif


what i'm saying is i don't want to take a chance with a helper and i do it by myself.

32+ years of doing it, has taught me a thing or 2.

retiring equipment that is not up to par is why i stay on top of my tool choices. picking the right tool for the job, is why i can do it by myself and not need the help. turning a 1 man job into a project is not what i do.

question is do you have workers comp insurance for your help and proper liability insurance too?

i have a 2mil. liability policy and so far, have never needed to do anything more than renew it.

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

The only problem I have with your post is I believe you are saying the fact you do not own the proper equipment to make it a one man job you will charge the customer for two men. That is where it is important as a professional to own a variety of equipment rather than just one main machine. As I have posted before each of our trucks had at least 5-machines and some of those machines used as many as 4-different cable sizes. Whether you are a drum man or a sectional man no one machine will work for every situation.

Mark
I believe I have more then enough equipment to do any job I want to do.
I own:

2. jetters
9. drum machines
1. 3000 gal pump/vac truck
1. Backhoe
1 bobcat
2. trailers
3. trucks
1. 4000SF building
$100,000. + in hand tools
and the list goes on.

Sorry there's no K-60 but I`d say I own enough equipment and have enough experience to do my job.
All my stuff is paid for so I must be doing something right ;)
Mark before you make a statement like that you should know what your talking about first ;)

[tinmack]

Rick so what your saying here is that you don't make enough money to have a helper and you are awaiting a Darwin award.

http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497Ricks-Darwin.gif

I'm enjoying the back and forth so far, but I think you went over the line with that last post.

Regardless, IMHO, you can't win this discussion.

Unless you get on top of a roof......

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17866&highlight=plumber+rick+roof

[All Clear Sewer]

what i'm saying is i don't want to take a chance with a helper and i do it by myself.

32+ years of doing it, has taught me a thing or 2.

retiring equipment that is not up to par is why i stay on top of my tool choices. picking the right tool for the job, is why i can do it by myself and not need the help. turning a 1 man job into a project is not what i do.

question is do you have workers comp insurance for your help and proper liability insurance too?

i have a 2mil. liability policy and so far, have never needed to do anything more than renew it.

rick.
Rick I have every thing I have to have and I only have a 600,000 ins liability policy and have never had to use it. I also have excavating ins and have never once had to use it. Now how many backhoe owners can say that ;)

[All Clear Sewer]

Regardless, IMHO, you can't win this discussion.

Unless you get on top of a roof......


I`m not a roofer, I`m a plumber ;)
I would pull the WC before working on a sewer from the roof. One fall and your out of business ;)

Oh and anyone moving a 750lb water heater is a fool and awaiting a Darwin some day!

[ToUtahNow]

I believe I have more then enough equipment to do any job I want to do.
I own:

2. jetters
9. drum machines
1. 3000 gal pump/vac truck
1. Backhoe
1 bobcat
2. trailers
3. trucks
1. 4000SF building
$100,000. + in hand tools
and the list goes on.

Sorry there's no K-60 but I`d say I own enough equipment and have enough experience to do my job.
All my stuff is paid for so I must be doing something right ;)
Mark before you make a statement like that you should know what your talking about first ;)

I was commenting on your statement that you charge for two guys if you can't get your machine to the drain. If I misunderstood why you are charging for a second man than perhaps you could explain it to me.

Mark

BTW: With 9-drum machines why were you complaining you couldn't work when your then solo K-7500 was down?

[All Clear Sewer]

because My K-7500 is like my right arm, I could use a marco or a cobra or one of my no name machines but I like my K-7500 over all of em. I even have an old open basket marco but why use em when there`s a k-7500 out there???

I now have 2 K-7500`s and I keep the new one with me :D
The old one still works fine ;)

Now why charge for 2 men?
Well it`s kinda like I could dig a big hole by hand and cut all the roots out of my way with a saw or I could use the backhoe and charge for it and save my health to work another day.
I choose the backhoe and save my health just like trying to do something I can do by myself but why risk health when the home owner should have a C/O installed outside for their health in the first place?
I mean come on man, why pull a C/O cap on a plugged sewer down in a basement and risk crap going all over the place?

I have already broken my back once and "wouldn't, don't" do things to put me there once again.
Rick wants to be the he-man and thats cool with me. I use to stand up my monster truck tires when one would fall over. They are 1500lbs, Very stupid thing to do when your only 160lbs. I was small but knew how to do it when some of the biggest guys couldn't.

There is a reason some things should be done in teams and I got all the reasons in the world to remind me every morning when I try to get out of bed.

You shouldn't go on a roof with out another guy standing by to rush your broken up a$$ to the hospital when you slip on some crap that fell off your cable while pulling back out of that vent stack.

As I have gotten older I learned I shouldn't take my safety so lightly like I use too.

[Gene Bickford]

I mean come on man, why pull a C/O cap on a plugged sewer down in a basement and risk crap going all over the place?


Youd have about 3 jobs a year here in maine if thats such a big problem you have to dig.

[All Clear Sewer]

you lost me Gene? what are you trying to say?
I don`t have a problem digging and I do charge extra when I have to dig ;)

[Gene Bickford]

you lost me Gene? what are you trying to say?
I don`t have a problem digging and I do charge extra when I have to dig ;)


99.9% of c/o here are located in the basement.
If I tried to sell unnecessary work like an outside c/o here the HO would tell me to get lost.

[All Clear Sewer]

why is it unnecessary work?

[Gene Bickford]

because it does not NEED to be done

[All Clear Sewer]

then what are you bitching about?

If you call me out and you dont have an outside C/O you will pay for my helper to be there with me ;)
That`s all. I do em all the time and some Home Owners would rather have an outside C/O installed so they done risk crap on the floor. It`s no big deal to me either way.

[Gene Bickford]

but if you had a sectional then you would not NEED a helper

[All Clear Sewer]

why`s that?

[Gene Bickford]

why do you need a helper to run your drum in a basement?

for the weight of that beast or to help you sit on the bucket?

[Gene Bickford]

Just for the record I am both a sectional and drum machine guy..

[All Clear Sewer]

I work in places with white carpet all the time. using a sectional would be crazy.

Lets see here
pull up and get the K-60 out of the trailer and carry it to the basement.
get the drop cloth and cutters and a cord and carry them to the basement.
Now go back for 2 baskets full of cable and carry them to the basement.
now start sticking cable together as I PUSH it in the sewer C/O. Now that I wasted over an hour working very carefully not to snag the carpet or bang a cable on the white walls I now need to figure out how to pull all this crapy cable back out of the sewer with out all the black gunk flinging on anything.
Ok now after wasting even more time unhooking cable and feeding it back in to the baskets I now have to figure out how I`m gonna carry the nasty`s outside with out dripping on the floor or the stairs.
Ok now I gots go back and get the K-60 that is all crap covered with all the black gunk and move it back outside just like the cables with out making a mess.
Now I can go back and get the drop cloth, cutters and a cord.

Damn that sure sounds like a lot of work to me. I`ll pass as I only make 2 trips down and 2 trips up with my K-7500 and no wasted time sticking cables together and then braking them apart again.

[All Clear Sewer]

why do you need a helper to run your drum in a basement?

for the weight of that beast or to help you sit on the bucket?
because we can run 125` in 30 minutes and be on the road again to the next job.

Just for the record, I`ve used a sectional and now I`m drum machine guy :D

[Gene Bickford]

I work in places with white carpet all the time. using a sectional would be crazy.

Lets see here
pull up and get the K-60 out of the trailer and carry it to the basement.
get the drop cloth and cutters and a cord and carry them to the basement.
Now go back for 2 baskets full of cable and carry them to the basement.
now start sticking cable together as I PUSH it in the sewer C/O. Now that I wasted over an hour working very carefully not to snag the carpet or bang a cable on the white walls I now need to figure out how to pull all this crapy cable back out of the sewer with out all the black gunk flinging on anything.
Ok now after wasting even more time unhooking cable and feeding it back in to the baskets I now have to figure out how I`m gonna carry the nasty`s outside with out dripping on the floor or the stairs.
Ok now I gots go back and get the K-60 that is all crap covered with all the black gunk and move it back outside just like the cables with out making a mess.
Now I can go back and get the drop cloth, cutters and a cord.

Damn that sure sounds like a lot of work to me. I`ll pass as I only make 2 trips down and 2 trips up with my K-7500 and no wasted time sticking cables together and then braking them apart again.


In a finished basement you pretty much got it. It's not easy to keep things clean.
But with a bit of work, and understanding the sectional it becomes routine ,and just as much of an asset as a drum machine.
I'm just saying that here in Maine, I'd get nothing but a big F-off, If I suggested an outside c/o.

[All Clear Sewer]

Ok I just got back from one that I`ll do in the morning.
How would you do it??

2 story house:
Every time they flush the stool on the 2nd story it comes up in the kitchen sink,.over flowing a stool and filling up a tub on the 1st floor
Now the only C/O is in the basement that is finished and it`s only about 4" off the floor going out a wall.
Now keep in mind the 1st floor is completely full of sewage as it`s backing up.

I will dig up the line outside and install a C/O, then clear the main line and the basement is saved :thumbup2:

[wrench spinner]

k-60 from the root, then outside cleanout so you arent playing in the poo!

:slap:

[ToUtahNow]

Ok I just got back from one that I`ll do in the morning.
How would you do it??

2 story house:
Every time they flush the stool on the 2nd story it comes up in the kitchen sink,.over flowing a stool and filling up a tub on the 1st floor
Now the only C/O is in the basement that is finished and it`s only about 4" off the floor going out a wall.
Now keep in mind the 1st floor is completely full of sewage as it`s backing up.

I will dig up the line outside and install a C/O, then clear the main line and the basement is saved :thumbup2:

Pop a hole in it from upstairs with a 5/8" cable followed by a 7/8" in the basement and still off the job in under an hour. No mess no hassle. Then depending on the history I might recommend a camera job to see if any additional work is needed.

Mark

[JCsPlumbing]

Septic or city sewer?

J.C.

[All Clear Sewer]

City sewer that's about 135` away.
It`s a corner house so I`m sure it`s got a few 45`s in the line.



Mark
your little 5/8 cable would be trashed as I`m sure it`s gonna be a root problem.


Oh yea.... and what would your price be for this cleaning the way you would do it.

[gear junkie]

I would go on the roof one time only and then install a cleanout. If they don't want a cleanout, they find someone else or you charge them accordingly next time.

[All Clear Sewer]

It`s 2 story and your gonna go on the roof??? :bow-down:

[gear junkie]

Do it all the time.

[All Clear Sewer]

Ben
If you get some free time will you come knock the pigeons off my roof for me?
If you look you can see one on top of the fireplace chimney.
I hate then damn birds craping on my roof all the time. They are about to meet the jetter with a 0 nozzle in the hand wand
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1030308-med.JPG

[ToUtahNow]

City sewer that's about 135` away.
It`s a corner house so I`m sure it`s got a few 45`s in the line.



Mark
your little 5/8 cable would be trashed as I`m sure it`s gonna be a root problem.


Oh yea.... and what would your price be for this cleaning the way you would do it.

Well it's your story so I can only base my opinion on what you offer. It doesn't sound like you've done a locate of the problem so in my scenario I will have the stoppage at 125' out (although 135' is not a problem), bends don't matter with a sectional cable and while a 5/8" cable may not clean roots it will pop a hole through them so you can clean it up with a 7/8" cable.

Mark

[gear junkie]

Ok I just got back from one that I`ll do in the morning.
How would you do it??

2 story house:
Every time they flush the stool on the 2nd story it comes up in the kitchen sink,.over flowing a stool and filling up a tub on the 1st floor
Now the only C/O is in the basement that is finished and it`s only about 4" off the floor going out a wall.
Now keep in mind the 1st floor is completely full of sewage as it`s backing up.

I will dig up the line outside and install a C/O, then clear the main line and the basement is saved :thumbup2:I can see what you're saying. I don't do many cleanouts here so I have a different mindset.

[All Clear Sewer]

about 90% of our jobs have C/O`s. Some you can get too and some you cant ;) but most of em have em some where if you can find em. :banghead:

[Gene Bickford]

about 90% of our jobs have C/O`s. Some you can get too and some you cant ;) but most of em have em some where if you can find em. :banghead:


Maybe it's because so many others all ready have outside cleanouts it's easier to convince them.
Not very common here in residential. Once the excavator is there minds well dig a new main and the Mainers that do have the money are not very lose with it.
The ones that have whole house traps that can't be bypassed are easy to convince to out side c/o rather then dig a jack hammer the basement.

I prefer a sectional as most of my work is in basements and old ones with rickety stairs that I wouldn't even be able to fit a k-7500. Now if I were at wal-mart or something then I'd rather use a k-7500.

Answer to your question about c/o 4" off floor: I'd Drill hole in cap and wet vac, vac full plug hole, dump water into 35gal can, do it again. Most will drain all the way with one can, some two.

[gear junkie]

What do you do with the can once it's full? We don't have basements here.

[wrench spinner]

has anyone tried to freeze a waste line with a pipe freezer, then cut a cleanout in beneath it inside a house to avoid a shower? If so why not? I have never done this, and i know it would up the price of cutting in a clean out but wouldnt the "cleanliness" be worth it if you cant cut in a cleanout outside?

[PLUMBER RICK]

has anyone tried to freeze a waste line with a pipe freezer, then cut a cleanout in beneath it inside a house to avoid a shower? If so why not? I have never done this, and i know it would up the price of cutting in a clean out but wouldnt the "cleanliness" be worth it if you cant cut in a cleanout outside?

freezing a 4'' line is very time consuming and most likely not worth the time and expense.

although i guess it would save me going shopping for fudgecicles:idea::eek:
although basements are not very common here. mainly older 1930's and earlier, most sewers will drain if left overnight. this of course is as long as the owner has not waited for a week after seeing symptoms.

drilling a hole in a c/o is a safe way to empty the system into a trash can. then the waste water can be pumped back into the line once cleared.

there are test jim caps with bibbs. these will plug with waste and paper. but a ball valve will drain and be easy to clear if plugged.

rick.

[Gene Bickford]

What do you do with the can once it's full? We don't have basements here.

Clear the clog and pump it back in. Makes forr a good test of the main.

[drainman881999]

Good looking house.How did the job go?