Swap Shop / Flea Market - Kicking around the idea.

[Josh]

Ok... so I am contemplating giving this a shot. I wanted to start a discussion so you guys could help me put together rules. Lets hash out the pluses and minuses as well as thinking about the impact on the community. Here is a start for a potential rule set. Please don't view this as an indication that this will happen. I just want to talk this one out.

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RULES

1. The Flea Market and Swap Shop is for non-commercial sales and trades only.
2. This section was setup for individuals to sell or trade used gear.
3. Posting external links to Ebay items is not allowed under any circumstance.
4. Etiquette demands that posters do not make posts that are negative in nature to the the items being listed.
5. The RIDGIDForum and RIDGID have no liability for transactions in the Flea Market or through email/PMs, and we cannot assist in dispute resolution.
6. Policies may be changed over time.
7. All purchases and interactions are AT YOUR OWN RISK.

Violation of these rules will result in the removal of thread and may result in being banned from the forum.
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Who knows.. maybe this could be a new section of the forum. or maybe I will get in trouble and be asked to remove the thread ;-)

[drtyhands]

Cool,I think Crack just picked up something I want.

[NHMaster3015]

Capitol idea! I wish to swap my wife for a younger model. :D

[BadgerDave]

Josh, one thing that for sure will happen is that the rules will not be followed. Are you willing to deal with the moderating hassles that will most likely occur.

If you go ahead with this, I'd really like to see you also ban the posting of ANY craigslist ads. In most cases they would only benefit a local audience anyways.

Even though I don't have one, my vote is that this is a bad idea and shouldn't happen.

[Frankiarmz]

Depending on how folks conduct themselves it could be a great idea. I think it would have to be restricted to tools, machines and such and nothing else. Imagine a tradesman who is either retiring or just getting out of the business? He would have a perfect place to advertise and sell his tools. There will be problems such as guys dumping either stolen or defective items but the positives would outweigh the bad given the character of most of the folks on this Forum.

[drtyhands]

Josh, one thing that for sure will happen is that the rules will not be followed. Are you willing to deal with the moderating hassles that will most likely occur.

If you go ahead with this, I'd really like to see you also ban the posting of ANY craigslist ads. In most cases they would only benefit a local audience anyways.

Even though I don't have one, my vote is that this is a bad idea and shouldn't happen.

Dave,
Have you seen people try this on other forums.
As of right now I think I've seen items for sale/swap on other forums.I just have never followed it.

Are people that disrespectful?

If so forget it.

I also suggest no toilet seat bidets.

[JCsPlumbing]

It would be fine. Must have 3,000 posts to buy or sell though. ;)

Locked out otherwise.

J.C.

[drainman881999]

That,s all you need.Good ideal Josh.

[Josh]

Not my idea.. it has been brought up tons of times. Just a hard place to go.

Josh

[plumberscrack]

I like the idea

If it doesn't work out, just shut it down...no biggie

Senior member seller/swappers only

I think it will bring more people to the Forum. Not sure if that's good or bad?

eBay is a bit of a hassle to sell from. Besides, the rates are too high.

I've done well on Craigslist but when it comes to selling some odd plumbing tools I got no takers

My tool fund is currently is at an all time low

Anita: "sell the tools junking up my closets!!"

[OkieBill]

I think it is a good idea....

This area should be by invitation only (If you lock it up it should keep the spammers out as well as give a little more control.)

Maybe we have to give Josh our license number or numbers to be vetted for this area??? (just a thought)

I would also consider making it no bid... (think newspaper classified adds with pictures)

Spammer and scammer control will determine if it thrives or fails:)

Okie

[BadgerDave]

Dave,
Have you seen people try this on other forums.


Yes.

[Bob D.]

....Senior member seller/swappers only...

I am more or less neutral on the idea. I think there are plenty of places already to post such items for sale or swap or wanted. I've gone on record before as stating I don't think it would work out, but that is only one opinion. If enough people want to give it a shot then give it a trial period of a month or two and see how it goes. One way to control it in the beginning would be that all posts for items to the swap-n-shop area must be reviewed before they get posted. This puts a big manual burden on some people but it would prevent it from getting out of hand.

But, if you decide to give it a try it needs to be controlled. If someone can sign up today and tomorrow or next week they are listing items I think you will have more trouble than it is worth. If you limit it to as suggested above (senior level members = 100+posts), then you will stop a lot of the problems we see with people coming on here now and offering items for sale that really have no relevance to any forum section.

Will this be unrestricted in what can be listed? Can I sell my hunting dog, a used washing machine, or my old lawn mower?

Or will/should it be limited to trade related items?
Maybe have two to three areas, one for plumbing related stuff, one for woodworking, and one for everything else.

I don't know how much free time you have Josh to monitor this. Maybe you have some help that can assist, maybe it will require some volunteer help from the ranks.

[harrison2119]

I think it is a good idea and only members 79 or older get to bid first and their bids must be accepted. Just kidding.
This is good but I would rather see the time for ridgid to monitor this be put to straightning out the warranty problems.

[Pipestone Kid]

I think it is a good idea and only members 79 or older get to bid first and their bids must be accepted. Just kidding.
This is good but I would rather see the time for ridgid to monitor this be put to straightning out the warranty problems.

Don't forget the requirement to have at least 35 years in the trade and at least 10 years supervisory experience! AND WE THOUGHT POLITICAL BICKERING WAS BAD!!!!!:bash:

[Tyman]

I think it would be great. Plumbers, Carpenters, Electricians, Woodworkers all have one thing in common, tools.

I can understand the extra work it would cause you, but I really don't grasp how it could negatively affect a member of this forum.

Call me crazy, but I like it.

[drtyhands]

It would be fine. Must have 3,000 posts to buy or sell though. ;)

Locked out otherwise.

J.C.
And look at you shine

[MoJourneyman]

in all seriousness, maybe members and above only can sell, no junior members. it'd give Rick a place to unload those extra sectionals.

anyone can buy, if the money doesn't come through, you
don't send the item; it's pretty safe that way for everyone but the buyer.

[MrsSeatDown]

I also suggest no toilet seat bidets.

What do you mean? That is what the first item for sale is!

[drtyhands]

What do you mean? That is what the first item for sale is!

Oh Yeah...I'm sorry I was refering to another potential vendor.

Oh-No,By all means...You should be able to bring in a pretty penny for that pony

[HVAC HAWK]

i think we should give it a try if it does not work shut it down

you may need another monitor or to if josh is to busy and pick some one from the wood side that has bin here for a long time .

i like the 100 post rule it will keep out the people stopping it once .

i say this site police's it's self some what so it might work

and im looking for a toilet seat bidet.:D

[Gene Bickford]

I like it and think we should try it out.


Charlie,
I'll trade you a toilet seat bidet for a trailer jetter:D
I'll even sweeten the pot and throw in a copy of 'The story of Edger Sawtell' since you like dogs so much:D

[drtyhands]

:pin all seriousness, maybe members and above only can sell, no junior members. it'd give Rick a place to unload those extra sectionals.

anyone can buy, if the money doesn't come through, you
don't send the item; it's pretty safe that way for everyone but the buyer.
Oh Great,
You just had to go and say it.

Moe,
SHUSH!!!
Your only justifieing the demand for his tools.
The smart thing to do is align yourself with us feeding this type A heart attack candidate milkshakes and artery clogging burgers.The hard part will be trying to barter with Joey.Rick definately picked a good one to take care of his toys.
:D

[Woussko]

Why not give it a try and if it gets out of hand, KABOOM it and fast. I think most of us can behave enough to make it work well for everyone. I would put some limits on how many items a member can list unless it's an estate and either Josh or Mark have some good proof it really is an estate sale where L of A (L of A = court issued legal document) have been issued and the seller is a blood relative of the deceased.

Here would be an example: Let's say I have 3 power tools and 12 hand tools all of different types. Limit me to how many things I can list in say a 30 day time frame. That should discourage and curb any commercial sellers.

[Bob D.]

What do you mean? That is what the first item for sale is!

So YOU'RE the one pushing for this huh? :D

[MrsSeatDown]

So YOU'RE the one pushing for this huh? :D

Not really. I just didn't want to lose out on an opportunity to pawn off the stupid thing already.:thud:

I personally always liked that Rick was on the forum, because it is cheaper than ebay:rolleyes: Now Josh is thinking of going and ruining my good thing:(

[JCsPlumbing]

You should mail it to a Forum member at Christmas. Then they could mail it to another member the next year. The bidet seat would never die.

J.C.

[PLUMBER RICK]

you think i have a lot of post now:D

if i were to list all my excess goods, it would turn the 200,000 post thread history.

maybe what would be better is to only allow a person to post what they want. then people like myself can respond via a p.m. and try to hash out the deal.

someone wants a special tool, hard to find part, they post and we then respond with the p.m. the original poster then can cancel the need if its been filled.

truthfully, i think this is a better way to keep it from getting out of hand;)

chances are we all have stuff to sell, trade. but if we all start to post what we have for sale, it will actually distract from the forum we've worked hard on to keep it a tight knit group.

think about it:confused:

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

Joey has already sent me a list with prices at ten cents on the dollar. I'm just not sure where I'd store her trenchless machine, although it seemed like $3,000 including the trailer was a fair price to pay.

Mark

[papadan]

you think i have a lot of post now:D

if i were to list all my excess goods, it would turn the 200,000 post thread history.

maybe what would be better is to only allow a person to post what they want. then people like myself can respond via a p.m. and try to hash out the deal.

someone wants a special tool, hard to find part, they post and we then respond with the p.m. the original poster then can cancel the need if its been filled.

truthfully, i think this is a better way to keep it from getting out of hand;)

chances are we all have stuff to sell, trade. but if we all start to post what we have for sale, it will actually distract from the forum we've worked hard on to keep it a tight knit group.

think about it:confused:

rick.
This would invite spammers to hit everyone hard in PMs and not get booted for spamming the forums.:eek: I think it would work fine if limited to senior members and not beginners. Might think of making a member of trust into a moderator to watch over the forum and stop any wrong posts quickly.

[VASandy]

I like the idea, I'm just concerned about the impact to our "family". If, say, Rick (ONLY AN EXAMPLE!!!) posts a bunch of stuff he picks up at a yard sale and starts making a bunch of money (yeah yeah...like he'd make a bunch of money off us!) is that a bad thing? If someone has to moderate a well-respected member, there could be backlash. The rules have to be very well thought out and posted. I like the idea of senior members only being able to sell.

One idea I had was that we could post things we make for "exclusive sale" to the forum members first. The item for sale here must not be available for sale through Craig's List or Ebay or any other venue. That goes for anything for sale. For the hand-made items, the items are offered here first for a limited time, then the seller can take the items to any other venue.

I need a bidet seat. Let's get this going! ;)

[Bob D.]

you think i have a lot of post now:D

if i were to list all my excess goods, it would turn the 200,000 post thread history.

maybe what would be better is to only allow a person to post what they want. then people like myself can respond via a p.m. and try to hash out the deal.

someone wants a special tool, hard to find part, they post and we then respond with the p.m. the original poster then can cancel the need if its been filled.

truthfully, i think this is a better way to keep it from getting out of hand;)

chances are we all have stuff to sell, trade. but if we all start to post what we have for sale, it will actually distract from the forum we've worked hard on to keep it a tight knit group.

think about it:confused:

rick.

Rick, I think this is an idea that should be considered. It could aleviate a number of problems as you say.

[Tom W]

I would like to have some way to offer things for sale. My step-father died and when his kids get around to it, probably this summer, they will sell his complete woodworking shop. Since my step-sibs are all from out of town everything will probably be sold in a lot to someone who will resell the stuff. I have been trying to think of a way to offer the stuff to forum members first and this might work. I would probably have violated protocol and posted some of the stuff since it is all in excellent shape eg two of those huge General 220 v table saws, one set up for crosscutting and one set up for ripping neither has over ten hours on it. A swap/sell area would keep me 'legal.'

[shup]

Sounds like a good ideal. Hope it works for the forum.

shup

[drainman881999]

Man, this thread is on a roll.

[piette]

I too would love to see it happen. I am a member at several other forums, all of which have classified areas. Some of them do have problems, but those problems would be almost entirely eliminated by having a 100 post rule. Nearly every problem is created by new people who just come to sell things and have no respect whatsoever for the other members.

Please give it a try.

Jeff

[plumberscrack]

I'm polishing my junk right now

[drtyhands]

I'm polishing my junk right now
Oh how I'd love to send this one into ORBIT!!!
I got at least three different lines for this one Crack.
:p

[MrsSeatDown]

I'm polishing my junk right now

Sounds personal. :rolleyes: Does Anita know what you are talking about on the internet?

[MoJourneyman]

:p
Oh Great,
You just had to go and say it.

Moe,
SHUSH!!!
Your only justifieing the demand for his tools.
The smart thing to do is align yourself with us feeding this type A heart attack candidate milkshakes and artery clogging burgers.The hard part will be trying to barter with Joey.Rick definately picked a good one to take care of his toys.
:D

Are you kidding? we have to keep him going, the venom and bile that come out in the drum v sectional threads is awesome.
and besides, i'd never even Heard of a sectional before I started reading this forum

[PLUMBER RICK]

I'm polishing my junk right now

see there you go:eek:

what you do behind closed doors, should not be shared with the rest of the forum:D

see if i offer you another cherry;)

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

Rick,

Now what did Joey warn you about the last time you got caught in Room #126?

Mark :mad:

:trash-him::slap:

[drtyhands]

Rick,

Now what did Joey warn you about the last time you got caught in Room #126?

Mark :mad:

:trash-him::slap:

Somebody get Shlinkski from Vice down here.

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick,

Now what did Joey warn you about the last time you got caught in Room #126?

Mark :mad:

:trash-him::slap:

she understands:wink2:

it was just me and my k-60 with a blond wig:shakehead:

rick.

[Bob D.]

This is the problem we have now:

http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23201

It's only an occasional (once or twice a week) occurrence. I usually report these and they get handled fairly quickly before too much damage is done (excessive postings by the offender).

How bad would/could it get if we have a defined selling area?

In this case the 100 post limit would not have stopped this, because you have zero control of the content of a posting by anyone other than to report it. So for these situations the only realistic way to deal with them is to quietly report questionable activity and let the moderators or administrators respond accordingly and do not respond to the post. A reply just bumps it to the top of active posts where it will get noticed even more, thereby accomplishing the perpetrators objective.

Josh, can the "Report this post" button be programmed to quarantine or otherwise temporarily hide a post once reported until it is reviewed by a moderator? This gets the potentially objective material off the forum until given a once over. If any senior member could hit the button to report such posts and at the same time get the suspect post blocked from further viewing until reviewed it would lessen the time that the post was visible on the forum. If this power got abused then that person could be dealt with as need be.

Maybe this is all getting to be too draconian or overbearing I don't know. These are just some ideas to deal with things if it gets out of hand. I am not worried about our regular members no matter how long they have been here, its the ones that come in only to market their wares that worry me. I just don't want to see a excellent forum go to pieces over something like this.

[plumberscrack]

I was thinking it would be a separate area of the Forum that all members (no guests) could view but only senior members could post items up for swap/sell.

Maybe there is a way to control that from Josh's end?

I suggest that it be set up so that only 1 or 2 items from each member can be active at any given time

[Josh]

Nice one Crack... gotta think of where peoples minds go :D

Well, I may look into doing something like making a restricted buy and sell section and restrict it to folks who are senior members.

I need to check around and ask permission on this one so it may take a little while. No guarantees on this one but looking into it.

Josh

[DUNBAR PLUMBING]

Dave,
Have you seen people try this on other forums.
As of right now I think I've seen items for sale/swap on other forums.I just have never followed it.

Are people that disrespectful?

If so forget it.

I also suggest no toilet seat bidets.


Oh really?

Well then, I guess I should bring out my limited Irritable Bowel Syndrome Collection, see if I can fetch a few bucks for the lack of proper cleaning.


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Bidding starts at $3, 3 dollars I say!

Bidets are a plumbing fixture, just like the rest of them. Don't make me post my rectum when I don't use my bidet.

Here's someone who really needed a bidet!


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/Sploogeman/Butt1.jpghttp://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/Sploogeman/Butt2.jpg


Sorry Josh! I hope you just didn't eat dinner after seeing this! I'm just promoting a clean @ss!

[Josh]

Dunbar... that picture of the lady with the flies is just crazy. Im in shock.

Josh

[Bob D.]

Dunbar... that picture of the lady with the flies is just crazy. Im in shock.

Josh

How'd ya like to snuggle up to that :eek:

[drtyhands]

Dunbar,
My dear friend.
I have come to the conclusion that I need to offer you some assistance.I need to offer you a reprieve from your toxins.They are burying your body and soul in a BLACK SLUDGE.It's time for you to come to the westcoast.Some time in the sun.I have a place for you up North.
How does a 65 day colostomy (full veggie package) retreat in Santa Barbera sound.
You'll be a new man.1/2 the man you used to be.Open toed sandals and a diasy in your ear.
Peace,love and Sexionals.

[OkieBill]

Oh really?

Well then, I guess I should bring out my limited Irritable Bowel Syndrome Collection, see if I can fetch a few bucks for the lack of proper cleaning.


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Bidding starts at $3, 3 dollars I say!

Bidets are a plumbing fixture, just like the rest of them. Don't make me post my rectum when I don't use my bidet.

Here's someone who really needed a bidet!


http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/Sploogeman/Butt1.jpghttp://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j129/Sploogeman/Butt2.jpg


Sorry Josh! I hope you just didn't eat dinner after seeing this! I'm just promoting a clean @ss!


Speechless....

:killingme::killingme::killingme::killingme::killi ngme::killingme::killingme::killingme::killingme:

[ToUtahNow]

One of the things we do in the 4-sale forum at one of the other sites I frequent is only the seller can post in the thread. All comments beyond the original post and the sold post are via PMs.

Mark

[stokefire7]

I like the idea. I think it's good.