New Yankee Workshop Plans

[Tonka]

Hi Guys:

Anyone out there have any New Yankee Workshop plans they wana share or trade?
I'm looking for the Router Table plans and the Jewlery Case. Hell i'm interested in alot of Norm's stuff.

[kelemvor]

Man ya know, that show is on every morning when I'm eating breakfast and I'm sitting there going... Yeah right. If I had access to the thousands of tools he had, I'm sure I could follow the directions and make some of that stuff too. But when all I have is a table saw....

But I still love that show that they go find some piece of furniture, then they remake it with cheap wood, then they make it again with the real wood.. Sheesh. Blows me away half the time.

Sorry I didn't answer your question about having plans, but I just love watching that show.

--Mike

[Andy B.]

I love norm, it to sad that pbs is thinking of getting rid of Norm.

[Bubba Blue]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andy B.:
I love norm, it to sad that pbs is thinking of getting rid of Norm.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just wish I could watch it. It's on at 4:00am here in the left coast!! :eek: :mad: :eek: :mad: :eek:

Bubba

[RRitch]

Andy B.

Where did you hear that PBS was considering cancelling NYW? I know that it used to be on every night at 9:30 on PBSYou, but it is not anymore. I figured that it was because they had showed the same shows numerous times, so they changed the programming. Even if they do, I am sure that one of the networks such as HGTV will probably pick it up. At least I hope

-Rob

[Hergy]

Mike and Andy, you are both full of sawdust. smile.gif Mike, the number of tools you have doesn't make you a skilled Woodworker. If you will watch very carefully, you will notice that Norm uses a pretty basic array of tools on each show. Table saw, planer, jointer, router, drill press and perhaps a sander. Now, if you only have one router, you can do as most of us do and change bits, instead of changing routers. :D These types of tools can be found in many, many workshops. Norm's tools may be bigger or newer, but accomplish the same task as yours or mine. smile.gif You will note that Norm often tells you he is using his 36" sander to save time, but you could use other means. Also, does the fact that the show is underwritten by Delta-Porter Cable give you any clues as to why he has so many tools. I watch the show for techniques as much as anything else.

Andy, don't know where you are getting your info but here is the schedule for New Yankee WS for 2002. NYWS is one of the most popular shows on PBS. Check out the NY website and get the real scoop! By the way, there are only about 150 or so episodes, and that's why you see so many repeats.
http://www.newyankee.com/2002.shtml

If you want to know more than you really need to know about New Yankee WS go here:
http://woodbutcher.net/norm.htm

As long as I am lecturing you youngsters; Bubba, I'm ashamed of you. Getting up at 4:00 to watch Norm is a part of the Woodworkers code. :D :D By the way, I hear they have a new contraption called a VCR. I think you put the sawdust in the slot at the front. :D

[JSchnarre]

The one thing you must have if you are build anything the "Norm" way is an air nailer. I've never seen some one put so many nails in things.

[Dave Arbuckle]

My understanding is that he only uses those nails "until the glue dries". Do they ever show the 150kW electromagnet he uses to get them back out? ;)

Dave

[Hergy]

Norm and I use the same type of glue---extremely slow setting (measured in years). As a result, getting the nails out has never been a problem. :D

Happy New Year everybody.

[Jamie]

I just bought a used New Yankee Workshop book from Amazon.com. It was about $14 delivered to my house vs. $23 new. It has plans for 8 different projects in it plus a lot of text and explanations. The book I bought corresponds with the original season of the show, which will be replayed starting next week on HGTV. If you buy the book and tape the first 8 shows you will have both the video and the plans (8 x $25 = $200 on the New Yankee website). Just a thought!!

[Tim Pavuk]

Hi all...
I too love NYW. In fact I can honestly say that I have seen every show. I do own plans for several of their projects. For those interested in owning the plans/videos here is a little info. The videos are EXACT copies of what airs on TV minus the commercials. There is no additional footage. Also, please do not share, swap, or give away the plans you have purchased from NYW. This is called copyright infringement and IS against the law :eek: This is a REAL problem in America and discourages artists from continuing to contribute to their field. This is intellectual property and buying the plans does not give you rights to them. You purchase rights only for your personal use.

I don't want to lecture anyone but as a business owner that deals with these issues I felt it should be brought up. The best thing you can do is support the New Yankee Workshop and buy the plans for yourself. This is how we ensure Norm is around for our future viewing pleasure.

If you would like more info on Copyright law just email me and I'll share. Thanks all!

[Tonka]

So does anyone want to share plans?

[RGad]

Not to take this thread TOO far from wordworking, but it is not apparent on the face of things that lending someone a copyrighted plan is a Copyright Law violation. In general, one who purchases a copyrighted book has the right to re-sell it, and people do that regularly. Likewise, people who purchase a copyrighted book lend it to others, at least if they liked it. That which is protected by copyright is the right to make (and sell) COPIES of the work; it may well be a violation for A to lend B a plan, which B then copies for himself and then returns the original (though I'm not sure how the "fair use doctrine" would apply here). But the violation (if one there be) is making the copy.

[NM Scorpion]

So if a bunch of guys all pooled their plans into a library and always pulled the originals, without making copies, they could all share the same set of plans without copyright violation?

[Dave Arbuckle]

Our woodworkers club has done precisely that. Public Libraries exist for no other purpose than to share books.

I suppose a license agreement could be attached to the plans that do not allow this activity, like much computer software has.

Dave

[RGad]

The computer software isn't the most reliable analogy, since by definition the user makes a copy of the work when it is "installed" on his hard disk; in effect, the software license authorizes a limited number of copies.

No one has ever suggested that a library that lends printed materials to cardholders is violating the copyright of the authors or publishers of the materials.

[Dave Arbuckle]

Scorpion wrote: "So if a bunch of guys all pooled their plans into a library and always pulled the originals, without making copies, they could all share the same set of plans without copyright violation?"

I answered: "Our woodworkers club has done precisely that. Public Libraries exist for no other purpose than to share books."

Modern software is nearly never simply copied, it changes form drastically when installed. But that is way off my point, I could have as easily used a title restriction that prevents a house from being painted red.

My point was that any particular plan provider may restrict the ways in which their product may be used. Being a generally law abiding dude, if I purchased a plan with such restriction, I would either comply or return the product unused if compliance would not accomplish my intended goal in purchasing that product.

Dave

[Tonka]

I didn't mean to start a debate on copyright laws. I only want to share plans. anyone interested?

[RGad]

It's going to get worse: Yes, Dave, you could sell your house and put a covenant in the deed by which the grantee promised not to paint it red. But unless you retained title to the adjoining lot, you could not enforce that covenant in most states.

In general a guy who sells you a copy of his copyrighted work but purports to restrict your ability to re-sell that copy (not a copy of the copy you bought) would have trouble enforcing that restriction, and short of that, you ought not to pay what he is asking, since you aren't getting your money's worth.

There is one well-known exception of which I am aware, and that is when you hire an architect. Generally, the form of contract provides that the architect retains ownership of the drawings he produces, but the customer has the right to have one house (or other building) constructed in accordance with the plans. But this really isn't the same thing, since in this case you're buying architectural professional services, not just a piece of paper.

Back to woodworking.

[Dave Arbuckle]

"But unless you retained title to the adjoining lot, you could not enforce that covenant in most states"

You obviously have never read California deed restrictions. Color restrictions are actually fairly common in some areas. Deed CC&Rs are eminently enforceable, if anyone actually wants to do the enforcement.

"since you aren't getting your money's worth"

Nonsense. How could you possibly judge that someone is not getting their money's worth, purely based on a restriction that may or may not make one whit of difference to them?

Let's say I invest the time and effort in doing a truly great set of plans for a Louis XIV Commode. Please further suppose that one other company has a similar plan of equal quality. They sell theirs for $200, and the only restriction is that the resulting piece cannot be sold commercially (a common restriction, by the way). I decide that my only restriction is that the plan cannot be transferred, but that an unlimited number of pieces may be built for personal or commercial purpose. And I decide to sell my plan for a hundred.

How could that -unconditionally- be said that the buyer is not getting their money's worth?

Dave

[Tim Pavuk]

This is getting ugly...but nice.

"I suppose a license agreement could be attached to the plans that do not allow this activity, like much computer software has."

Careful here...the agreement is there; its the little "c" with the circle around it. But in your reference, the activity you mention (sharing original plans) is usually permitted. How you chose to personally use your plan is up to you as long as you abide by the copyright. But to caveat this, most intellectual material bears the requirement that you may not duplicate, alter, or distribute the material by any means to include mechanical or electronic means (ie. xerox (tm) or computer).

The gray area is what constitutes distribution and this IS a gray area. I'll not attempt to tackle this one as the owner of the copyright may specify it and I'm not sure what WGBH's (the owner of the NYW copyright) policies are.

Your best bet is ALWAYS to contact them and ask. Usually this is all that is ever required; to inform them of your intended use and ask for a release. Usually there are no additional fees since you already own the material but you never know.

I want to thank all the contributors to this thread. This is the kind of mature discussion that I love to see on this forum. You are all a bunch of great guys and gals.

P.S. I reserve the right to be incorrect on issues that may vary from state to state.

[RGad]

Dave: I am not licensed to practice in California, true. However, I'll bet the price of lunch that the situations you refer to are so-called "common scheme restrictions," which are imposed by the developer of a subdivision upon and in favor of all lots in the subdivision. The are stated to be appurtenant to the other lots, and are enforceable by the owner of the adjoining lots (from time to time) or a homeowners association.

In the situation I referred to, you own a single house lot. You sell it and move far away. You put a restriction in the deed prohibiting the new owner (and all successive owners, also?) from painting the house red. Since you don't own any adjoining property, this is known as an easement (or restriction) "in gross" (as opposed to "appurtenant"), and at English common law (from which the property law of each of the United States other than Louisiana derives), since you don't have any remaining property interest in what color your old house is, it would not be enforceable. This has been confirmed by statute in most states, but, again, I'm only licensed to practice law in one of them.

Boy, it ain't hard to get far off the subject of what the forum is supposed to be about, huh? (But, as the man said, it's fun.)

[Dave Arbuckle]

Y'all are incorrigible. ;) For what very little it is worth, I am not a California Real Estate Attorney either. What they hammered into us licensed Real Estate Agents "back when" was to be d@#%$ed careful that if we discovered an oddball deed restriction to disclose it to everyone we met. There have been interesting court battles in the State regarding oddball restrictions. California, oddball, hard to believe, huh?

I'm thinking of publishing some woodworking plans and attaching the restriction that they not be used to build furniture painted red....

Dave

[RGad]

Then I guess your plans won't include a model fire engine?

[Dave Arbuckle]

Historic demand for model fire engine furniture is pretty low anyway... :D

"Restrictions: These plans shall not be used to produce furniture that will be painted red, or made of red oak. Any violation"...

Dave

[myTechieGuy.Com]

Okay so is anyone interested in trading router plans then?

I mean if someone purchased a router plan from NYW and decided not to use it but instead to "trade" it for something else they can use with another woodworker, should be okay yes?

[bytebach]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dave Arbuckle:
My understanding is that he only uses those nails "until the glue dries". Do they ever show the 150kW electromagnet he uses to get them back out? ;)

Dave<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on, this is Norm we're talking about. Electromagnets are for amatures. He's got an MRI unit specifically for that purpose.

[Tonka]

You all sound like a bunch of bureaucratic politicians and not one of you have answered my original question. Is there anyone wanting to trade, sell, give, lend, borrow any type of plans? If so, let me know or else let's end this topic.

Thanks