Md Master

[MD MASTER SPARKY]

I Am A Maryland Master Electrician
I Have Read The Recent Posts On This Site And Needless To Say Alot Of What I Have Read Scares Me I'm Not Sure I Evryone Is Aware But In Most States And Jurisdictions It Is Illegal For Just Any Joe Shmuck To Do Electrical Work Of Any Sort

And To Have A Site To Give Harry Homeowner Do It Yourself Advice Is Very Dangerous

Any Advice I Would Give Anyone Is Hire A Qualified Individual To Do The Job And Pull The Proper Permits

Be Fair, Be Safe, Not Just Fairly Safe

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

Dude - if DIY'ers can come here to get some advice, who cares?

If the best advice is, "Call an electrician" then so be it. It doesn't make this place immoral or irresponsible. Lighten up!

At least they've got someplace to go where they're not cluttering up the electrical forums! :D

[HVAC HAWK]

MD MASTER SPARKY

you better lighten up some or you will become a master #!*%$@?*# :D

[Polar Sparky 1224]

Before i went into electrical my dad remodeled his entire house. all but 2 parts of the house have been redone! We replaced all the aluminum wire with copper and had the power company redo the main service. In the 12 years since we have had no problems. Even for the heck of it a ran though the house with my plug tester and everything is fine!
DIY OR DIE:D

[PLUMBER RICK]

md master, i guess you're referring to the mole issue. don't worry plumber is good to go. he has alot of help from the sparkys at work and i get a kick at the responces.

maybe there should have been a discaimer at the first post.

KIDS, DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME:eek:


still waiting for fryed mole. i have had guiney pig in peru and posum pie in new zealand. never have tried fried mole or plumber:D in chicago.

plumber and the others in these forum do actually give concern to safety. maybe a gfi will protect him:D.

rick

[wwsmith]

I Am A Maryland Master Electrician
I Have Read The Recent Posts On This Site And Needless To Say Alot Of What I Have Read Scares Me I'm Not Sure I Evryone Is Aware But In Most States And Jurisdictions It Is Illegal For Just Any Joe Shmuck To Do Electrical Work Of Any Sort

And To Have A Site To Give Harry Homeowner Do It Yourself Advice Is Very Dangerous So I am not really getting why you are even here on a DIY related forum if you don't like them or believe in DIY work? :confused:

Any Advice I Would Give Anyone Is Hire A Qualified Individual To Do The Job And Pull The Proper Permits Should I assume this will apply to any job in the house or just electrical?? Do you ever do any plumbing work in your house? Ever done any non-electrical related remodeling in your house on your own? :confused:

Be Fair, Be Safe, Not Just Fairly Safe


Just wanted to check. Wasn't sure how life should work according to "The Master" :rolleyes: I will assume we should not look forward to any useful advice from you unless you lighten up and realize that some people are actually capable of doing some things on their own and quite often when it gets too dangerous or confusing they realize it is time to bring in the "big guns". But thanks for the advice.

Thanks again,

Joe Shmuck

PS: I am a certified "computer geek" as a profession and as you apparently cannot DIY, I Am Available For Hire As A Qualified Professional To Help You Learn What The Shift And Caps Lock Keys Are For.

[MD MASTER SPARKY]

I Believe In A Person Doing It Themself But Extreme Safety Precausions Need To Be Taken When Dealing With Electricitythe Key Word Being Safety
I've Yet To Hear About Someone Dying By Plumbing Or A House Burning Down But When It Comes To Electric It Is Heard More Of Than We Realize. It Takes Nothing To Add A Name To A Lawsuit.

I Will Be Willing To Give Any Advice Requested But Threads Such As The Mole Thing Are Very Dangerous Me As A Professional Would Not Want To Be Associated With It

First And Foremost A Disclamer Stating That Those Who Postany Advice Cannot Be Held Liable For Any Property Dammage Or Loss Of Life.

[MD MASTER SPARKY]

Just wanted to check. Wasn't sure how life should work according to "The Master" :rolleyes: I will assume we should not look forward to any useful advice from you unless you lighten up and realize that some people are actually capable of doing some things on their own and quite often when it gets too dangerous or confusing they realize it is time to bring in the "big guns". But thanks for the advice.

Thanks again,

Joe Shmuck

PS: I am a certified "computer geek" as a profession and as you apparently cannot DIY, I Am Available For Hire As A Qualified Professional To Help You Learn What The Shift And Caps Lock Keys Are For.


WHEN WILL A HOMEOWNER KNOW WHEN AN ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION IS TO DANGEROUS TO BRING IN THE "BIG GUNS"
WHEN HIS HOUSE BURNS DOWN OR HIS KID GETS DEAD BY ELECTRICUTION??

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

I Am Available For Hire As A Qualified Professional To Help You Learn What The Shift And Caps Lock Keys Are For.
I don't think he - oops!

I Don't Think He Got The Joke. :D

I wonder what such a knowledgeable electrician is doing at noon, sitting around and complaining about DIY'ers on their home turf? :p

I think we should be sitting in his living room, complaining about the shows on his TV!

Here's an idea: If you can't be pleasant or in any way helpful,

Leave!!!

[TOD]

Can't we all just get along?

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

Well, I reckon if you can't be helpful or pleasant, or apparently are stricken with terror at the thought of leaving this place, at least you can be entertaining. So, why don't you dazzle the folks at home with your brilliance.

Idiot that I am, I figured these questions would prove your cerebral might to the folks out there wondering why they should flog themselves for considering swapping a receptacle out on their own, if they feel they have the skills and aptitude.

1. Tell me, oh intellect, how is a grounding electrode conductor supposed to be identified?

2. What is the maximum size breaker I can install on a 2/3 NM?

3. What is the minimum size conductor I would need to install to bond an isolated metallic 90° in a directly-buried RNC run containing #2 CU?

4. What is the maximum allowed resistance to ground of a grounding system consisting of a metallic water pipe electrode and a ground rod?

[PLUMBER RICK]

I Believe In A Person Doing It Themself But Extreme Safety Precausions Need To Be Taken When Dealing With Electricitythe Key Word Being Safety
I've Yet To Hear About Someone Dying By Plumbing Or A House Burning Down But When It Comes To Electric It Is Heard More Of Than We Realize. It Takes Nothing To Add A Name To A Lawsuit.

I Will Be Willing To Give Any Advice Requested But Threads Such As The Mole Thing Are Very Dangerous Me As A Professional Would Not Want To Be Associated With It

First And Foremost A Disclamer Stating That Those Who Postany Advice Cannot Be Held Liable For Any Property Dammage Or Loss Of Life.

md master sparky, i suggest that you don't mess with plumbing since you are clueless about carbon monoxide, gas piping, and the health of the entire country, to name a few. last time i checked insurance rates, plumbers were higher to insure for a reason. we have alot more risk to deal with than electrical. this coming from a contractor that has never had a claim. try to get insurance to cover you for association work as a plumber$$$.

most do it yourselfers don't mess with gas piping. electrical they tend to play with. in fact my general liability coverage doesn't cover me for lpg piping. natural gas no problem.

you guys have gfi's and the newer style arc fault breakers. we don't have anything that will protect the homeowner from a flood or leak, (waste, water, gas)

these are just a few examples of the dangers in our trade.


rick.

[MD MASTER SPARKY]

Rocky Mountain,

Are You A Licensed Electrician ??

Ifso Where

[MD MASTER SPARKY]

Plumber Rick,

I Too Am A Contractor And Have Been For Over 15 Years.

I Would Expect Better Responses From A Credible Contractor In The
Construction Industry

[Josh]

Please watch the name calling or I will have to shut these threads down.

[Bob D.]

"...I've Yet To Hear About Someone Dying By Plumbing Or A House Burning Down..."

That is way funny.

Here's just a few off the top of my head. These all deal with backflow issues, but as Rick pointed out there are many other areas of concern.

* Human blood in water supply
A funeral home was using an aspirator to drain human fluids from corpses. The device was connected to a sink faucet and when a low pressure condition occurred in the municipal water system blood and other contaminates entered the water system in the building. Blood was coming out of water fountains. The condition was discovered and the public water system protected before it became contaminated also.
Why did this happen? No containment backflow protection for the building and no anti-siphon device at the point of cross-connection.

* Propane gas in water mains
Hundreds of families had to evacuate their homes due to propane gas entering the municipal water system. Two home caught fire and the towns water system was contaminated.
Why did this happen? The local propane company was making a repair to a 30,000 gal propane tank. They had to first purge the tank and they used water from a private water hydrant located on their property. The residual pressure in the tank was greater than the water system pressure and propane gas flowed into the water mains for about 20 minutes. About a mile of an 8" water main was filled with propane. This could have been a disaster much larger than it was. (no cross-connection protection)

* Pesticides in drinking water (no backsiphon protection)

* Car Wash Water enters Water Main (no cross-connection protection)

* Paraquat in public water supply (no cross-connection protection)

* Heating system anti-freeze enters public water system (no cross-connection protection)

* Sodium Hydroxide enters water system (no backsiphon protection)

I could go on.

Check with your states Dept of Health or the CDC if you want some more examples.

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

Rocky Mountain,

Are You A Licensed Electrician ??

Ifso Where
Yes I am. Colorado. Now answer the questions I've given you.

[sparky12]

Thats right, demand he answer your silly questions. That would justify his statements about the things service electricians see every day in peoples houses due to thinking they know what they are doing when they run wires in there own house. If your a service electrician or know anything about residential electrical work, than you know what I'm talking about. Focusing on what size ground should be used to bond that 90 doesn't prove it though.

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

Sparky12, my point in questioning him is that he does not seem to be a master electrician. Someone comfortable with their position in life would not chant "I am a master electrician" over and over again unless, IMO, he was trying to convince himself.

In most places attaining that status requires some education. Formal, or what can be had informally. I get the impression this guy is not who he claims to be. I figure some questions will demonstrate the truth one way or another. I appreciate that no one has stepped in to answer for him, I'd really like to see MD's answers.

What would have happened if no qualified electricians stepped in to advise Plumber that his idea was dangerous? What if the only feedback he got was in CAPS and hysterical? Would he respect that advice?

I think more is to be gained by giving the needed advice, even if it is "Call someone, this one is definutely over your head, with respect."

[PhilG.]

md master sparky, i suggest that you don't mess with plumbing since you are clueless about carbon monoxide, gas piping, and the health of the entire country, to name a few. last time i checked insurance rates, plumbers were higher to insure for a reason. we have alot more risk to deal with than electrical. this coming from a contractor that has never had a claim. try to get insurance to cover you for association work as a plumber$$$.

most do it yourselfers don't mess with gas piping. electrical they tend to play with. in fact my general liability coverage doesn't cover me for lpg piping. natural gas no problem.

you guys have gfi's and the newer style arc fault breakers. we don't have anything that will protect the homeowner from a flood or leak, (waste, water, gas)

these are just a few examples of the dangers in our trade.


rick.

WAIT!
Let's not forget METHANE gas!:):)
I've seen methane gas damage in Mexico that took out blocks of city streets!

[Polar Sparky 1224]

Rocky Mountain Sparky is totally right in his questioning. How do we know good Ole MD is really an electrician? Even then how do i know it's not one of my old coworkers. I'm thinking about the guy who was a fourth year apprentice and acted like he was a journey man. He came out withe some of the stupidest things i have ever heard. What is so funny is that you tell a persons manner by how they communicate their ideas and opinions.

only four simple questions? is that so hard for a master electrician?

[papadan]

MMS, I don't know of anywhere that a homeowner can't do thier own electrical work on thier property. If someone is hired to to the work that person has to be liscensed(sp). You have lived a sheltered life if you have never heard of anyones house burning down because of a plumbling problem, Electricians don't run gas lines do they? Oh but they are known to ground to a metal pipe from time to time. So if that ground was to spark due to a short, the resulting fire would be whose fault, the plumber?

[Lane61]

[QUOTE=Rocky Mountain Sparky]

2. What is the maximum size breaker I can install on a 2/3 NM?

I am curious , what is 2/3 NM ?

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

I am curious , what is 2/3 NM ?
Believe it or not, Southwire makes it. To be honest, I've never used it. But they do make it. :D

(3 conductor, 2 AWG romex, in case that wasn't a "are you nuts?" question. :) )

[Polar Sparky 1224]

In residential isn't that usually the service entrance wire? Maybe have a gray insulation and take at least 2 people to pull through the walls in a house!
I hated pulling that stuff, there is a nickname for it but i can't say it since josh will boot me of for typing it.

[Lane61]

I know what your talking about now , I`ve used it a few times , but I don`t like it , I`d rather use conduit. ( it wasn`t an are you nuts question , just wasn`t sure what you meant ):)

[Rocky Mountain Sparky]

In residential isn't that usually the service entrance wire? Maybe have a gray insulation and take at least 2 people to pull through the walls in a house!
No, that was SER. That's pretty commonly used around here for feeders. I use it in every house.

I've never seen 2/3 NM, but I bet it would be less fun than #2 AL SER to pull! :D

I wonder if MD is coming back? :cool:

[Polar Sparky 1224]

I wonder if MD is coming back?
YOU MAY HAVE SCARED HIM OFF!!!!!!

NOW I AM THE MASTER!!!!
(star wars, couldn't help it..:D :D )
I think i'm getting lorax's wierd sence of humor....:confused: :eek:

[HVAC HAWK]

no i do not think Any one can be as wired as lorax :rolleyes: :p :eek:

[oldslowchevy]

i have seen two home and one biss go up in flames and smoke damage do to plumbing while pipes were being sweated and the shut off was more the 100 feet away