k-60 sewer machine

[PLUMBER RICK]

in the last 2 days, my k-60 sectional machine came through for me like a champ:).

tuesday, i broke off a cable, (3/4'' k-7500 machine) and cutter in a miserable root stoppage at approx. 41' in from the cleanout. it was only about a 1 ' section of cable lost. so i put a new connector and retriever on the broken end.

first i ran my seesnake to see where in the line the cable was located. it was at 41' in. the challenge was to grab the end of the cable and pull it back without geting hung up in a wye at 38'. well i managed to get stuck in the wye:eek: and broke off the cable and retriever.:eek::eek: now 2 cables and a cutter and retriever.

running out of choices i ran the camera from the other location, thinking i can bypass the wye branch and pull it back straight through the fitting. the problem with this location was, it too had a wye at 28' in. so i decided to go back in from the original location with my k-60 7/8'' sectional cable and retriever. this time i pushed the camera in to assure i hooked the end of the second cable. i was still worried about the wye at 38'. well after a few attempts i was free. got back both cables, cutter, retriever and roots:D

the 3/4'' cable broke off at approx. 1' from the end of both cables. probably from age or chemical. it was almost 2 years old and has never failed me. i got back to the shop and installed a new 3/4'' cable.

the next day, i had a main line stoppage at a new clients home. the house only had a 2'' clean out. the roof vent was also only 2''. so i decided to give it a shot with the k-60 7/8'' cable with auger end. i managed to get into the 3'' line after the first 13'. continued in and thought i cleared it at 35' in. it backed up while i was still running it. i continued with some effort to 60'. it was running good now:D

i ended up pulling out lots of roots. even though the auger was just over 1'' in diameter, the open wind of the cable was also cutting and tearing the roots apart.

the owner had me camera the line to locate the problem. to my amazement the line was root infested from 30' at the cast to clay connection, to 54' at the 6 x 4'' lateral tee. i will be installing a 4'' c/o on friday at the 30' cast to clay connection.:D they have lived there 6 years with no root stoppages. (1930's home)

the k-60 came through 2 days in a row to save me and get me through the day:):)

now the k-60 will be used for more than roof jobs:eek:. it will be used for problem stopages with hard access.

just thought i would share my first hand experiences.


rick.

[ToUtahNow]

I don't want to say I told you so but I TOLD YOU SO :)

[Josh]

Rick, thanks for the post. I work the waste haulers show in nashville every year so I see our product for 4 days straight and get to hear sales pitches many more times than I would like. A lot of the people at the show swear by the K60. Its small but it gets the job done. It cant blast through boards in 10 seconds like the k1500, but I would guess jobs where solid blocks of wood are lodged in a drain are pretty rare ;-)

Glad you retrieved those cables. Coulda been a long day or week for ya.

Josh

[tbplumbloco]

Just read the post on the K-60,I have been using the k-15oo+K-50 for almost 30 yrs,looking for maybe a lighter piece of equipment,give me a rating compared to the 1500 on root jobs.I live in the mid-west,homes with basements some tuff root jobs,can the k-60 handle those situations + what is the biggest blade you can use on these jobs?Also great work on your retreiving efforts.

[PLUMBER RICK]

[quote=tbplumbloco]Just read the post on the K-60,I have been using the k-15oo+K-50 for almost 30 yrs,looking for maybe a lighter piece of equipment,give me a rating compared to the 1500 on root jobs.I live in the mid-west,homes with basements some tuff root jobs,can the k-60 handle those situations + what is the biggest blade you can use on these jobs?Also great work on your retreiving efforts.[/quote

mark/ toutahnow, can give you a first hand assessment since these are the machines he uses. he is pretty good at responding to these questions late at night or early am.:eek:

i don't own a k-1500. i do own a few k-750 and k-7500, 3/4'' cable machines.
i don't feel that the k-60 will do a heavy root job. but it will do a light root job with ease. also for the roof, it's great. the 7/8'' cable comes in 15' sections and it will run a 4'' blade. the 7500 is the machine i use for heavy roots. the k-60 was used in this case for a 2'' cleanout to open a 4'' line full of roots approx. a 24' section of roots. i did install a 4'' c/o today and ran my 7500 in to clean the line properly.

i got real lucky with the retreiving of the 2 cables the other day.the camera was the difference between failure and success:D thanks.

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

Just read the post on the K-60,I have been using the k-15oo+K-50 for almost 30 yrs,looking for maybe a lighter piece of equipment,give me a rating compared to the 1500 on root jobs.I live in the mid-west,homes with basements some tuff root jobs,can the k-60 handle those situations + what is the biggest blade you can use on these jobs?Also great work on your retreiving efforts.

Rick is right I really like the Ridgid sectional machines. I have sold my plumbing shop but I kept the following snakes a K-500 (the real brute), a KM-1500A, a K-60SP, a K-50 and a K-39. The K-60s will do anything a K-1500 will do in lines up to 4". Larger than 4" pipe you would notice a difference.

The K-60 runs 7/8 and smaller cable so of course a 1 1/4 cable will out preform it but you will not notice it in a 4" line. In my opinion, if you carried a K-60 you would rarely have a need to take the K-1500 off of the truck. The big advantage to the K-60 is it is so much more portable than the K-1500 and fits in your truck easily.

Spiral cutters are available up to 3" and sharktooth cutters are available up to 4".

Mark

[tbplumbloco]

Thanx for the feed-back,I closed my shop + sold the tools and relocated for a UAW journeyman position,now with the cutbacks in the trades I have just about replaced everything and recently purchased another k-1500 w/180' of 1.25"cable.The k-60 is now on my wish list.

[PLUMBER RICK]

more k-60 amazement:)

had a customer today with 4'' area drains in the rear yard, buried under a concrete patio. the problem was the piping was cheep styrene plastic with non directional, non glued joints. the pipe was full of roots:eek:

took 3 hours from start to finish to remove a 5 gallon bucket full of roots. the large ones were approx 3/4'' in diameter. got all the drains working and the customer is thrilled. the check is already in the mail:rolleyes:

the problem with this styrene pipe is that it allows the roots in, since the joints are not glued. the second problem is the fittings have no sweep or directional flow. the great thing about the k-60 machine is the 7/8'' cable is strong and yet flexable. this allowed the cable to cut the heavy roots and also negotiate? the 90's. after many runs and wrong turns,(no way to controll the direction it goes in a downstream tee) i cleared the line to the street. over 75' from the closest drain. even removing 1 section at the curb that was a full 4'' in diameter and 6' long:eek: that one stopped traffic and a guy on his cell phone walking his kid:confused:

when i pulled this section out, the guy on his phone stopped talking to the person on the other end and spoke to me about his drain problem:cool:

the other guy driving stopped his car and spoke to me about his issues too;)

in the past, i had very little luck with my 3/4'' innercore cable. just too stiff and not able to get around the 90's. my jetter does a good job, but the area would flood prior to clearing the lines.

try the k-60, you'll like it. mikey does:D so does plumber rick:)

rick.

[wizzy]

Say Rick what kind of auger do you find does the best job on roots for your K-7500 ?

[PLUMBER RICK]

Say Rick what kind of auger do you find does the best job on roots for your K-7500 ?

i have started to use a spiral root saw. the ones i use have teeth cut on both sides. this way i can cut coming and going:D

the pear shape cutters also do a good job, but i've found for a real nasty root job, the spiral root saw works best. i use a blade 1/2'' smaller than the pipe. also a good 2' leader will help negoiate the turns.

rick.

[Norcal1]

I'm so glad this thread popped back up....I feel alot better now knowing that rick broke off 2 cables in one line.

Earlier this week I used my K-50 for the very first time and broke the cable trying to reverse the cable out of roots...I felt like a complete idiot...the job was at a friend's house. :( The cable...4 sections...is still in my friends drain line, but at least the drain is useable now.

I was able to hook onto the cable with a retrieving auger but was worried about breaking another cable so I let sleeping dogs lie.

Any ideas/solutions would be much appreciated...I only have the K-50 and a few smaller drain cleaning machines.

[ToUtahNow]

I'm so glad this thread popped back up....I feel alot better now knowing that rick broke off 2 cables in one line.

Earlier this week I used my K-50 for the very first time and broke the cable trying to reverse the cable out of roots...I felt like a complete idiot...the job was at a friend's house. :( The cable...4 sections...is still in my friends drain line, but at least the drain is useable now.

I was able to hook onto the cable with a retrieving auger but was worried about breaking another cable so I let sleeping dogs lie.

Any ideas/solutions would be much appreciated...I only have the K-50 and a few smaller drain cleaning machines.

If I am not mistaken even the K-50s owners manual warns about using it on roots. That being said I have used it to open root stoppages enough to get the drain flowing and then used a larger machine to finish the cleaning.

If the largest cable you have is a 5/8" I'm not sure you will be able to get the old cable out without breaking another. Perhaps it is time to upgrade to a K-60.

Good luck-Mark

[PLUMBER RICK]

norcal, i know that the k-50 is rated for 4'' lines, but not roots:eek: i would be scared on anything above 3''. the cables are just too flexiable.

as far as the cable being stuck. do you know how far in the cable is stuck? the cables are 7.5' each. you will need a larger cable with a retriver to try and hook the broken end of the cable. if you hook it too far from the broken end, you will have a hard time to pull it out if there is a tee or wye.

the k-60 is a great step up from the k-50.it will run both the 7/8'' x 15' cables and the same k-50 5/8'' x 7.5' cables.

if you plan on heavy root clearing, i would jump up to the k750,7500 or 1500.

see if you can get a local drain guy to help you pullout the 5/8'' cable.

a camera really helps to hook the end.

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

Pulled this out with my K-7500 :eek:
http://www.hotboatpics.com/pics/data/500/15497P1030728.JPG

[ora]

What is better sparton or trojan sewer machine:smile2:

[gear junkie]

Start a new thread and you might get better response.

[paul hopkins]

Just bought a k-60 r66497 after having ongoing drain problems for the last 20+ years. I hired 2 different companies in the last 3 mos. to clear the drains in my and my daughter's houses. I was so dissatisfied I decided to do it myself.

I read this forum for a couple weeks and decided on the k-60.

Reading the manuals and watching clips on the site.

Any advice before I start? We have an easy access cleanout. And the full length of the house is 65' to main.

[stokefire7]

i haven't used mine yet but i'm interested in how it goes for you.

[paul hopkins]

We have lived in this house for over 20 years and the washer has always come up in the kitchen sink. We have had the drain cleaned at least a dozen times when it got to where the sink would overflow on to the floor during rinse cycles.

i have 7/8 cable and couldn't get it to go through the undersink access which is all the way on the uphill side of the drain system.

So I went up on the roof and figured I'd run 4 sections, 60 ft. Hit an obstruction at about 30 ft. Hooked on to an old cable someone had broken off in there! Pulled it out with the extractor.

I think I need different augers. I used the 101 straight bit and had a little trouble getting it in at first. I think the pipe is 2" but maybe only 1.5???

Maybe I will pick up one of the little sink units like the k39 or something and clean all the little drains around the houses too.

[JCsPlumbing]

Sell the machine. You need a plumber.

J.C.

[All Clear Sewer]

Any advice before I start?

Call a Pro or even a plumber before you cut off your arm or even you head :speechless:

[DUNBAR]

Call a Pro or even a plumber before you cut off your arm or even you head :speechless:



LOL!


Those K-60's


worse than a mass murderer I say! :lol:

[All Clear Sewer]

Maybe I will pick up one of the little sink units like the k39 or something and clean all the little drains around the houses too.
Hey I got an Idea ;) If you really want to kill yourself get a K-7500 and "STAND ON IT" :lol:

It may look easy to ya but your fixing to know a Dr. on first name bases :nyaa-nyaa4:

[PLUMBER RICK]

We have lived in this house for over 20 years and the washer has always come up in the kitchen sink. We have had the drain cleaned at least a dozen times when it got to where the sink would overflow on to the floor during rinse cycles.

i have 7/8 cable and couldn't get it to go through the undersink access which is all the way on the uphill side of the drain system.

So I went up on the roof and figured I'd run 4 sections, 60 ft. Hit an obstruction at about 30 ft. Hooked on to an old cable someone had broken off in there! Pulled it out with the extractor.

I think I need different augers. I used the 101 straight bit and had a little trouble getting it in at first. I think the pipe is 2" but maybe only 1.5???

Maybe I will pick up one of the little sink units like the k39 or something and clean all the little drains around the houses too.

i would buy a cage of 5/8'' sectional cable for the k-60 and you'll be good to go. 1.5'' and 2'' should be cleaned with 5/8''. although i have had good luck with 7/8'' in a 2'' line, it's not a good choice to use.

the straight auger t101 for 7/8'' is a great choice. so is the 4 blade cutter and the spiral root saw. i also like the bulb auger on the 5/8''.

the k-39 is great for tubs and lav drains through the pop up and tub overflow.

the ones giving you a hard time are not sectional users and have no idea how much safer a sectional machine is over a drum machine;)

make me proud with your k-60 impressionator;)

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

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the ones giving you a hard time are not sectional users and have no idea how much safer a sectional machine is over a drum machine;)



rick.

Rick it has nothing to do with any type of machine one uses. you really need to get over that one ;)
I have used sectional many times. It`s about one stepping over ones trade just like a handy man saying WOW I can install that water heater as I`ve seen plumbers do it and it looks easy.
I can charge my AC unit but I wouldn`t do it for anyone else as it`s out of my plumbing trade. I can roof my house but there again it`s out of my trade and I wouldn't do it for someone else as I`m in the plumbing trade. I can and have built a house but you know the rest of the story ;)
Many people that thought cleaning a sewer looked easy and are missing fingers and so on. Just because one buy`s a second hand machine doesn't make then know what they are doing.
News flash for ya ;) I did not start All Clear Sewer ;) I bought it from a guy that bought it out thinking he could do it part time when he was not mowing lawns.
Guess what???? He`s back to mowing lawns and wants nothing to do with sewers after trying it for a short time of 6 months. I had him do some work for me one day and I told him he better learn what he`s doing before he kills himself. 6 Months later I bought him out.
You cant do drain cleaning part time and be worth a crap <--- Joke....rotflmao
You have to have a plumbing background and understand how a drain system works of your just another HACK in the world of service.!

If he bought a machine just to clear a line that clogs all the time, It`s time to call someone in that knows what they are looking at and figure out "Why the line is always stopping up"
You know like a real sewer guy or a real plumber ;)

[paul hopkins]

I have been a construction worker for over 30 years. I did plenty of homework before buying this machine and read all the manuals, followed safety precautions and my drains all work better now than they have in over 20 years.

I am not a cheapskate by any means. I paid many different drain cleaning companies good money to clean my drains over the years and none were as successful than I just was.

My good friend is a plumber and he installed new sink, shower and toilet supply and drains in a rent house for me. But he doesn't do drain cleaning.

I spent quite a bit of money on the k-60 and plan to use it only on my own houses. No plans to try and enter the drain cleaning business.

I am proud to be a hard working intelligent American and if the "men" who came to steal my hard earned cash with their shabby craftsmanship had done a good job I would have been a life lone customer.

Such was not the case so rather than sit in the corner and cry about it I decided to do it my self.

btw, I tried a k-40 and decided against it.

I'll be getting a reel of 5/8 and a bulb auger next. And then a k-39.

My wife was ecstatic when she did a load of laundry. For the first time in 20 years absolutely no water came up in the kitchen. All the sinks and the tub drain instantly now too.

[All Clear Sewer]

I did a washer line today and the H/O kept telling me Roto Rooter did it from out side last time.
I told her that was fine but I`m doing it from the Washer to the outside C/O.
2 hours later she said WOW it`s never drained like that!
I told her it`s because she has never had a Plumber clean it before! ;)
It`s all in who you call out to get your service from. Big world wide names = problems every time as the Tech is not taking pride in his work ;)
He`s got a ball game after work or has to meet his buddys at the bar :rolleyes:

[PLUMBER RICK]

Rick it has nothing to do with any type of machine one uses. you really need to get over that one ;)
it really does as the sectional uses a clutch to control the cable rotation.
we all know that if your 3/4'' drum with 100' of cable is spinning, and you let your foot off the pedal/ air switch, the drum will continue to spin many, many revolutions. lots of built up torque and the potential for the cable to release all that torque at once.

with the sectional and instant acting clutch. once you release the clutch handle, the cable will stop spinning and there is no more forward spinning torque. only a slight potential for any reverse built up torque.

I have used sectional many times. It`s about one stepping over ones trade just like a handy man saying WOW I can install that water heater as I`ve seen plumbers do it and it looks easy.
I can charge my AC unit but I wouldn`t do it for anyone else as it`s out of my plumbing trade. I can roof my house but there again it`s out of my trade and I wouldn't do it for someone else as I`m in the plumbing trade. I can and have built a house but you know the rest of the story ;)
Many people that thought cleaning a sewer looked easy and are missing fingers and so on. Just because one buy`s a second hand machine doesn't make then know what they are doing.
News flash for ya ;) I did not start All Clear Sewer ;) I bought it from a guy that bought it out thinking he could do it part time when he was not mowing lawns.
Guess what???? He`s back to mowing lawns and wants nothing to do with sewers after trying it for a short time of 6 months. I had him do some work for me one day and I told him he better learn what he`s doing before he kills himself. 6 Months later I bought him out.
You cant do drain cleaning part time and be worth a crap <--- Joke....rotflmao


You have to have a plumbing background and understand how a drain system works of your just another HACK in the world of service.!

this i agree on;) especially with sewer cameras. anyone can push a camera into a line. but only a qualified plumber can properly diagnose the real issues.

90% of the videos i watch from other companies are truly useless. no footage, notes, narration, flags/paint. just a very boring silent movie.

then how about the 75% that never provide a video tape:shrug:



allclear, have you ever been to a rental yard, home depot and see how many machines they have available for rent?

they are not just renting them to the pros:rolleyes:

sure a non pro has a better chance of getting hurt, but they are still going to continue renting machines to the eager homeowner.

i doubt that paul is going into business. he's only doing his own property and i give him credit for it:clapping:

i have a hand full of accounts that own their own machine. sure they do the gravy, and i get the cr@p.

i am waiting for adam to get into drain cleaning. a plumber that knows construction from the ground up, is going to be the sharpest drain cleaner out there:idea: adam, can you hear what i'm saying;)

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

I have been a construction worker for over 30 years. I did plenty of homework before buying this machine and read all the manuals, followed safety precautions and my drains all work better now than they have in over 20 years.

I am not a cheapskate by any means. I paid many different drain cleaning companies good money to clean my drains over the years and none were as successful than I just was.

My good friend is a plumber and he installed new sink, shower and toilet supply and drains in a rent house for me. But he doesn't do drain cleaning.

I spent quite a bit of money on the k-60 and plan to use it only on my own houses. No plans to try and enter the drain cleaning business.

I am proud to be a hard working intelligent American and if the "men" who came to steal my hard earned cash with their shabby craftsmanship had done a good job I would have been a life lone customer.

Such was not the case so rather than sit in the corner and cry about it I decided to do it my self.

btw, I tried a k-40 and decided against it.

I'll be getting a reel of 5/8 and a bulb auger next. And then a k-39.

My wife was ecstatic when she did a load of laundry. For the first time in 20 years absolutely no water came up in the kitchen. All the sinks and the tub drain instantly now too.

paul, i give you all the credit you deserve;)

you did your homework and made a very intelligent choice in your assessment of machines. i'm amazed at your level of knowledge in sorting out the machines;)

my buddy just moved to oregon and will be getting a k-60 too;)

he was a drum man for 30 years and i know the k-60 has made a good impression on him when we would share work.

stick around and join the fun. this is better than sextional:D

rick.

[paul hopkins]

All people should take pride in their work no matter what it is. I live in Eugene Oregon which is infested with hippies and ne'er do wells. Apparently they have infiltrated the drain cleaning industry.

If I knew a good plumber who would clean drains he'd have had a customer in me. But the reality for me is I am on my own.

I have been painting for over 30 years and everybody and their grandma has a painting business now. We have moved in to industrial blasting and specialty coating because we can't compete with the lowball shitty work out their.

Once again, I only want to work on my own houses. So I hope the plumbers here won't going to turn against me if I have questions in the future.

Paul Hopkins
http://www.fighting.org

[glkearns]

allclear, have you ever been to a rental yard, home depot and see how many machines they have available for rent?

they are not just renting them to the pros:rolleyes:

sure a non pro has a better chance of getting hurt, but they are still going to continue renting machines to the eager homeowner.

i doubt that paul is going into business. he's only doing his own property and i give him credit for it:clapping:

i have a hand full of accounts that own their own machine. sure they do the gravy, and i get the cr@p.

i am waiting for adam to get into drain cleaning. a plumber that knows construction from the ground up, is going to be the sharpest drain cleaner out there:idea: adam, can you hear what i'm saying;)

rick.

I recently rented one of these "rental yard" machines...I don't do much drain cleaning, and only own a top snake. My wife's uncle has a rental house which had a main line stoppage (sewage coming out of the sewer popper that I had installed a few weeks ago). He wants me to go "take a look at the situation and if I can fix it to do so. So since I knew what was going on I was proactive and rented the machine (not sure of the brand name 7/8 open drum machine, 85' cable, no power feed) got to the house (house sits only 40' from the city main) cleared stoppage, (spade bit followed by 3" spiral root cutter) and back to the rental yard in less than 2 hours. The rental bill for this piece of junk machine was over a hundred bucks...crazy, $50/hr for the rental alone...

This machine could have been very dangerous in the hands of someone too agressive.

Gotta buy a mainline machine.

Greg

[drtyhands]

I have been a construction worker for over 30 years. I did plenty of homework before buying this machine and read all the manuals, followed safety precautions and my drains all work better now than they have in over 20 years.

I am not a cheapskate by any means. I paid many different drain cleaning companies good money to clean my drains over the years and none were as successful than I just was.

My good friend is a plumber and he installed new sink, shower and toilet supply and drains in a rent house for me. But he doesn't do drain cleaning.

I spent quite a bit of money on the k-60 and plan to use it only on my own houses. No plans to try and enter the drain cleaning business.

I am proud to be a hard working intelligent American and if the "men" who came to steal my hard earned cash with their shabby craftsmanship had done a good job I would have been a life lone customer.

Such was not the case so rather than sit in the corner and cry about it I decided to do it my self.

btw, I tried a k-40 and decided against it.

I'll be getting a reel of 5/8 and a bulb auger next. And then a k-39.

My wife was ecstatic when she did a load of laundry. For the first time in 20 years absolutely no water came up in the kitchen. All the sinks and the tub drain instantly now too.

Good post Paul,Thank you for taking the time to ealaborate.As you can see some guys like howling to the beat of their own drum.

I too am not afraid to take on anything.Away from plumbing I've lifted a house off the ground and repoured a new foundation
and done a lot of framing and concrete.

So,I absolutely appreciate your zeal for wanting to keep the ball in your hands.Although this is not advisable for most people(I aquate it to them having the same ability to scale and prune a 110" eucalyptous tree with a 24" chainsaw)little heavy I know.But still,now you can grab and go resolve your issues as you have in the past with your other tool skills.No more extensive resources spent researching,calling,
questioning attendance,inquiring at fee and most of all performance.

Welcome to the forum.
ADAM

[cpw]

The rental bill for this piece of junk machine was over a hundred bucks...crazy, $50/hr for the rental alone...
HD Tool Rental has a smaller 75' machine for $28 for 4 hours and a larger 150' ? machine for something like $50 for 4 hours.

[All Clear Sewer]

[quote=All Clear Sewer;168112]Rick it has nothing to do with any type of machine one uses. you really need to get over that one ;)
it really does as the sectional uses a clutch to control the cable rotation.
we all know that if your 3/4'' drum with 100' of cable is spinning, and you let your foot off the pedal/ air switch, the drum will continue to spin many, many revolutions. lots of built up torque and the potential for the cable to release all that torque at once.

with the sectional and instant acting clutch. once you release the clutch handle, the cable will stop spinning and there is no more forward spinning torque. only a slight potential for any reverse built up torque.


rick.

Rick
Knowing when to release the clutch handle is no different then knowing when to let your foot off the pedal / air switch ;) It`s really a no brainer :rolleyes:
Both machines can cut off you arm and or worse kill ya if you don't know what you are doing.
You try and make it sound like you cant get hurt if you use a sectional machine. :shocked2:

[HouseOfAtlas]

the k-39 is great for tubs and lav drains through the pop up and tub overflow.


Do they have non-innercore cable for the k39? Mine came with innercore and sometimes I wonder if non-innercore cable would be better.

Sorry for hijacking the therad, guys :D

[PLUMBER RICK]

[quote=PLUMBER RICK;168117]

Rick
Knowing when to release the clutch handle is no different then knowing when to let your foot off the pedal / air switch ;) It`s really a no brainer :rolleyes:
Both machines can cut off you arm and or worse kill ya if you don't know what you are doing.
You try and make it sound like you cant get hurt if you use a sectional machine. :shocked2:

allclear, you have got to be kidding me if you think a sectional is just as dangerous as a drum.

with a drum, you need to know 5 seconds in advance that your cable is binding and the drum is building up torque.

with the sectional, all you do is let go and it stops. no 5 second run on and then another 20 seconds of reverse hi speed auto torque rotation.

i think you really need to get a demo of this machine.

all talk and no show, it's not convincing anybody.

when was the last time someone came on the forum and said they just bought a new drum machine?

compare this to all the recent sectional machine purchases.

hard to praise something you don't own, or haven't demoed:rant:

rick.

[Service Guy]

Allclear, get a sectional...it sounds like you need some experience. :killingme: Even I have years of both drum and sectional experience, and I am *just* a plumber.

[All Clear Sewer]

[quote=All Clear Sewer;168161]



1. with a drum, you need to know 5 seconds in advance that your cable is binding and the drum is building up torque.



2. all talk and no show, it's not convincing anybody.

3. when was the last time someone came on the forum and said they just bought a new drum machine?




rick.

OK Rick
#1. If you have any hearing he can hear your drum machine tell you long before it`s to late to let off... Another "NO BRAINER" It`s like running any other machine, backhoe, milling machine and so on. you can hear when something's not right.
If you think for one minute that you cant over wind a sectional machine cable your NUTZZZZZZZZZ.

#2. I don't have to be convincing anybody, it`s not my job.
And as far as the "all talk and no show" I think I do way more sewer work then you so I`d say "I can Walk the Walk"!

#3. Last week :Killingme: to bad you cant read my PM`s :D
I think it was a 6200 ;)

[All Clear Sewer]

Allclear, get a sectional...it sounds like you need some experience. :killingme: Even I have years of both drum and sectional experience, and I am *just* a plumber.

Been there Done that and "NO Thanks" ;)
I`m just a newB and I dont need any experience :nyaa-nyaa4:

[PLUMBER RICK]

[quote=PLUMBER RICK;168183]

OK Rick
#1. If you have any hearing he can hear your drum machine tell you long before it`s to late to let off... Another "NO BRAINER" It`s like running any other machine, backhoe, milling machine and so on. you can hear when something's not right.
If you think for one minute that you cant over wind a sectional machine cable your NUTZZZZZZZZZ.

i can torque my sectional cable up enough to actually cause the motor to switch rotation. but it has no 150# cable and flywheel/ drum to store the energy. it stops in less than a second. not 20-40 seconds like a over torqued drum. no stored energy, less chance of getting hurt.

has your drum ever run back wards at 5 times the speed and want to take off flying? i know my 7500 does that with my permission.

i have yet to have that on my k-60, even when i try. in fact i've only damaged 1- 15' cable in the hundreds of k-60 jobs so far. and that was because i had no choice. actually that damaged cable is now my favorite secret weapon cable i own.

#2. I don't have to be convincing anybody, it`s not my job.
And as far as the "all talk and no show" I think I do way more sewer work then you so I`d say "I can Walk the Walk"!

on a daily basis, yes, that's pretty much all you do.
on a lifetime basis, i doubt you've owned a powered snake since you were 13 and i'm 45 now. so in 32 years, i think i have more time under my belt. plus owning a huge variety of machines, i think i've got a good feeling of what works and what is easier to use. not always the fastest on a job by job basis, but overall the real winner in real life scenarios.

#3. Last week :Killingme: to bad you cant read my PM`s :D
I think it was a 6200 ;)

i rather doubt your 1 pm last week can come close to the hundreds of p.m i get on drain cleaning and k-60 questions.

i think joey can attest to my p.m. and phone calls;)

rick.

[wrench spinner]

why dont you two stop fighting about this and get the real deal!!! I mean what are you guys going to do when you have a 24" lateral that is 450 feet long!!!

http://www.davegillock.com/sewervac.jpg

[cpw]

WS, Is that one of your trucks?

[wrench spinner]

I wish, justa google image search, I am just stirring the pot!

[JCsPlumbing]

We have lived in this house for over 20 years and the washer has always come up in the kitchen sink. We have had the drain cleaned at least a dozen times when it got to where the sink would overflow on to the floor during rinse cycles.

i have 7/8 cable and couldn't get it to go through the undersink access which is all the way on the uphill side of the drain system.

So I went up on the roof and figured I'd run 4 sections, 60 ft. Hit an obstruction at about 30 ft. Hooked on to an old cable someone had broken off in there! Pulled it out with the extractor.

I think I need different augers. I used the 101 straight bit and had a little trouble getting it in at first. I think the pipe is 2" but maybe only 1.5???

Maybe I will pick up one of the little sink units like the k39 or something and clean all the little drains around the houses too.

I don't know why the argument over drain cleaning is even occurring. The poster says he's lived in the house for over 20 years and the W/M has ALWAYS backed up in the kitchen sink. Percentage wise, this really leans toward it being plumbed wrong. Now some lint/soap buildup has finally sent it overflowing from the sink. Properly cabling the line will probably correct it to the point of just "filling the kitchen sink" again without it overflowing. I think he'd be better off getting a plumber to check the DWV and this would correct things for the longterm. He could probably sell his K-60 and make more than enough to correct this. Maybe. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Just went back and reread that the OP corrected his problem to the point that it did not backup in the kitchen sink. So maybe he corrected it. I'd still have a licensed plumber look at it. Not just a friend that does plumbing or a licensed shop that will send out someone working under their license.

P.S. No paint down the drain. No, not even water based. My two cents.

J.C.

[paul hopkins]

the pipe is 2" WRONG

my guess is that the guys who cleaned the lines before never went far enough. plus someone left a piece of their snake in there and either didn't know it or just decided to not say anything

the washer no longer comes up in the kitchen sink at all and there is no spillage where the drain tube sets into the pipe. it actually spins a full tub completely empty in less time now too, no back pressure.

no more stopping the machine half way through the cycle to let the pipes drain, no more towel tied around the drain connection, and no turkey pan under the trap to catch the overflow.

anyway, my wife is getting the laundry done in record time and is very happy.

edit: i was wrong about the pipe. it is only 1.5"

[paul hopkins]

JCsPlumbing, the house was built in 1945 but has been remodeled over the years. And I know the newer washers push more volume on draining. We have a extra large capacity Amana.

One plumber suggested doing smaller loads or using a device to reduce the drain pressure. But cleaning the lines seems to have done the trick. I better crawl under the house and see if we have a lake before celebrating. My wife would kill me.:eek:
:trash-him:

There are roof vents at each drain location, baths, kitchen, and washer

[All Clear Sewer]

has your drum ever run back wards at 5 times the speed and want to take off flying? i know my 7500 does that with my permission.

Nope sure hasn't :bash: I guess we know who is the better machine operator :killingme:

[JCsPlumbing]

Glad you got it corrected Paul.:way-to-go:

Stick around and put in your 2 cents on building, business, & politics. We might even let you have an honarary "plumbers opinion" once in a while. :)

J.C.

[ToUtahNow]

I would be interested in seeing a drum machine which does not relieve the torque built up in a cable by running backwards when powered off. The only one I can think of would be one which has never hit a hard stoppage. Simple physics tells you that the tension stored in a over-stressed cable has to relieve the torque some where. If not by running in reverse when you power off then where?

Mark

[PLUMBER RICK]

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Originally Posted by PLUMBER RICK http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.ridgidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=168206#post168206)
has your drum ever run back wards at 5 times the speed and want to take off flying? i know my 7500 does that with my permission.
quote=All Clear Sewer;168226]Nope sure hasn't :bash: I guess we know who is the better machine operator :killingme:[/quote]

once again, i guess you have no idea what a drum machine is based on.

it's a machine with low speed and high torque. so it cuts via built up torque. not high speed.

there is no way that you cut every last root without building up torque or having the machine bear down.

you can't tell me that you've managed to cut through every stoppage on your first attempt. that the machine has never loaded up so much that it never has run backwards when you step off the foot switch.

you have got to be kidding me and the rest of the pros who know machines.


i guess i just broke the myth who is the more knowledgeable operator.

please tell me you're not serious that you've never had your drum spin backwards when it's torqued up.

then how did you break and ruin all your cables you've posted about:slap:.

you can b.s. a customer, but not a pro:rolleyes:

rick.

[stokefire7]

:itsover:

[Service Guy]

I guess we know who is the better machine operator.

Yeah, obviously NOT YOU!:lol:

[plumberjr]

Come on rocky, throw the final uppercut--finish him!!!!!!!!!!!!
Id like to see this one keep going between u 2--if u do for atleast 20 more posts, ill nominate it as post of the week

[All Clear Sewer]

Yeah, obviously NOT YOU!:lol:
Cany you explain why that is?

[Service Guy]

Cany you explain why that is?

Read post number #49 by Mark.

[All Clear Sewer]

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Originally Posted by PLUMBER RICK once again, i guess you have no idea what a drum machine is based on.

it's a machine with low speed and high torque. so it cuts via built up torque. not high speed.

there is no way that you cut every last root without building up torque or having the machine bear down.

you can't tell me that you've managed to cut through every stoppage on your first attempt. that the machine has never loaded up so much that it never has run backwards when you step off the foot switch.

you have got to be kidding me and the rest of the pros who know machines.


i guess i just broke the myth who is the more knowledgeable operator.

please tell me you're not serious that you've never had your drum spin backwards when it's torqued up.

then how did you break and ruin all your cables you've posted about:slap:.

you can b.s. a customer, but not a pro:rolleyes:

rick.

Guess I`ll have to find time to set up a video just for you Rick so you can see how it`s really done.

My help broke the cable not me and when he broke it the machine didn't turn backwards ;)

I let off before it spins faster backwards then it does forwards :rolleyes:

Wasn't it Ben that said he had the cable on a K-60 backspin around his arm???
I`m not gonna go look it up but I do remember someone saying that a few months back.
I would much rather have a drum spin backwards faster the it does forward then have a cable wrap around any part of my body ;) :bash:

[All Clear Sewer]

Read post number #49 by Mark.
It really doesn't matter to me what Mark or anyone thinks...:killingme:
I am the Drum Master and I have $1000 cash here for the taking for the first guy that can show me up on real world sewer cleaning. :nanner:
now that should get the Indians in an uproar.
Quick drum guys get the service trucks in a circle I think their coming over the hill .... :killingme:
sectional guys are so sensitive :love2:

[ToUtahNow]

It really doesn't matter to me what Mark or anyone thinks...:killingme:
I am the Drum Master and I have $1000 cash here for the taking for the first guy that can show me up on real world sewer cleaning. :nanner:
now that should get the Indians in an uproar.
Quick drum guys get the service trucks in a circle I think their coming over the hill .... :killingme:

For the record I still believe both styles of machine have their uses and it really more about personal preferences. However, this debate is something which has been going on since before the Roundup. As a matter of fact I believe this debate was part of the reason for planning the Roundup. The only real question now is when and where and who will actually show up? The sad part is the Ridgid school house would made the perfect location but I don't believe it will be offered up. Since we've already traveled to the Roundup why don't you travel here and the West Coast crew will host it?

Mark

[Service Guy]

I know if I needed to hire a Professional drain-cleaner, I'd be much more comfortable hiring a guy who was experienced and talented with BOTH drums and sectionals. To me, a guy who only used only one or the other, shows his obvious limitations as drain-cleaner.

The whole sectional vs. drum thing is dumb, because obviously BOTH types of cable machines have their merits in different situations.

The best drain-cleaners have BOTH machines in their arsenal (to quote Mark).

[ToUtahNow]

Wow it looks like we were posting at the same time. I'm thinking there really needs to be two competitions. The first one should be limited to Rick with his K-60 and Steve with his K-7500. Since they both seem to be the ones always in the middle of the debate we could try and put that one to rest. The second competition should be open to everyone and as Steve suggests be a real world challenge. Meaning each participant should bring every piece of drain cleaning equipment the own and we will see who scores the highest with their variety of equipment.

Mark

[ToUtahNow]

I am the Drum Master . :nanner:

Perhaps had you attended the Roundup you might have been but for now PlumbersCrack is the Sectional Master and SteamOperator is the Drum Master. We will have to wait until next year to see if those titles hold.

Mark

[DUNBAR]

My cable, is bigger than your cable! Hmmpht!



I'd love to see the mess a 5/8" sectional would of made on an 1.5" galvanized drain I cleared yesterday.

Was the blackest crap I've ever seen, horrible.


First of all, running 5/8" knowing how hardened that stuff could be would of been so time consuming it wouldn't be funny, pushing my last two calls even deeper into the evening.


When you got the job finally done, how far would you have to push all that sludge to get it to a larger pipe?


How do you think that cable looks when it's pulled back out when you have no way to run water over it while still in the drain?


Here's the real kicker that is a complexity in just mentioning:


You take a 5/8" cable down that drain, you get it open, doesn't clog now for years.

IF I run 1/4" open hook, I get it open fairly good, suggest replacement of the pipe to fix the problem, not the symptoms and everyone is happy.


If I thoroughly clean that pipe so good, how does the homeowner really and truly know that, other than the repetitiveness of the recurring clog.

They know the drain needs replacement.


Clean the pipe so darn good, you shoot yourself in the foot, they don't call you back for years instead of months, they forget who you are because it has been so long. <<< That's happened already and short of direct mail expenditures, there's no way to stop it.



I'm just rambling but there's two sides to this coin, one is to appease and feel good about your task, the other is realizing the true fact that something caused that pipe to clog, why would you want to make it something that pays once every 3 years, instead of once a year?

Somewhere in the logic above, there's not exactly deception being played out, but the true reality that the condition of that pipe is out of your control...you make it how you want to gauge your income status.


There's a right and a wrong way I suppose.......but wearing a superman cape whether you're a sectional or drum man doesn't change the faulting drain. Food for thought.

Another interpretation of job security using defective piping as the starting point.

[gear junkie]

Wasn't it Ben that said he had the cable on a K-60 backspin around his arm???
I`m not gonna go look it up but I do remember someone saying that a few months back.

I did say that I had a 7/8 cable kink up on me but it was my fault. I had at least 4' between the k60 and the c/o. Dumb mistake but as soon as the handle was let off, it unkinked off my arm. If it was a drum, I would've had to unspin the drum to get it off my arm. Didn't even hurt. Imo if I pulled an 18' root ball out, I would care less what someone thought about my skills. But then again, you do live in the root infested sewer capitol of the world. I could probably pull out a 19' root ball but haven't had the chance.

[gear junkie]

I'd love to see the mess a 5/8" sectional would of made on an 1.5" galvanized drain I cleared yesterday.


First of all, running 5/8" knowing how hardened that stuff could be would of been so time consuming it wouldn't be funny, pushing my last two calls even deeper into the evening.
Did one yesterday on a 2 story roof, took an hour and a half. I probably would've been done in 1 hour but the pop up drain was down so the water never dropped. It never occured to me to tell the customer something so obvious.

[plumberscrack]

Perhaps had you attended the Roundup you might have been but for now PlumbersCrack is the Sectional Master and SteamOperator is the Drum Master. We will have to wait until next year to see if those titles hold.

Mark

I may lose the title of 'Reigning World Champion' of the K-1500 next year

I'm hoping for at least a Bronze medal in this event

I doubt the world record time of 7.78 seconds will fall this decade

[plumberjr]

i am now a drum guy by preference--i love my 6200-as it is much easier to haul in and out(on wheels)--i have had my fair share wrestling with cable in bad c/o locations with my 1500, and i dont care who u are, sectional machines make a mess--even if you use the guide you are going to have a mess--for example---when i would clean sewers with the 1500, here was all the stuff to drag in--
1-- machine
2--2,3, or 4 cages of heavy cables
3-drop clothes
4-toolbox with bits and key
5-roll or 2 of shop towels--always used to clean mess
6-bucket for messy towels
7-rear guide hose
8-can of lysol for floor after im done

heres what i use to do the same job with my 6200--
1-- machine--
2-- bucket to sit on
3- toolbox with bits
4--extra drum stays in truck if needed
point is my job in my area is a hell of a lot easier now with my mess free drummer--when i get back to truck, i pop the plug to drain drum if needed, and i have no mess to clean

i appreciate all clears confidence with drums, as now i have the same, but i do have k50's and 1500's in the shop if needed--and every job is different- since i bought the 6200 i have not touched the 1500, and neither has my guys--i do believe that the 1500 is the most powerful machine on the market and if all others fail, i can count on it--but that job is yet to be seen. i am trying to understand why rick is so crazy about the 60, as it is just a k50 with some restyling and a few improvements-but i guess i feel the same of my 6200--well im not that crazy over it ,yet

[PLUMBER RICK]

i am trying to understand why rick is so crazy about the 60, as it is just a k50 with some restyling and a few improvements-but i guess i feel the same of my 6200--well im not that crazy over it ,yet

if you really think a k-50 and a k-60 are the same, you really need to do your homework.

the only thing that makes them similar is the fact that they can both run 5/8'' sectional cable.

the k-60 will easily cut roots up to 6'' lines. with optional 7/8'' inner core.
with 5/8'' cable it will do 1.25''-4''. with absolutely no adapters to buy.

your 6200 is rated for 3-6'' cable.

i guess you can then buy a k-3800 drum adapter to run 1/2'' and 3/8'' cable.

so the k-6200 is closer to a k-60.

the k-1500 is closer to a k-7500.

the k-50 is closer to a k-3800.

i guess you didn't notice how dry and clean me and crack stayed at josh's parents house with a sectional k-50 and no rear guide hose.

my clothes and the cardboard were dry and clean and this was in a flat line in a semi commercial kitchen with the water running while i was motoring out the cable.

impressed? or impressionator:D

rick.

[PLUMBER RICK]

It really doesn't matter to me what Mark or anyone thinks...:killingme:
I am the Drum Master and I have $1000 cash here for the taking for the first guy that can show me up on real world sewer cleaning. :nanner:
now that should get the Indians in an uproar.
Quick drum guys get the service trucks in a circle I think their coming over the hill .... :killingme:
sectional guys are so sensitive :love2:

lets put this into real perspective.

i took 5 days off and spent good money to attend the round up.

move the bet up to $5,000 and come out here to prove it.

just like i had to while attending the roundup.

then i'll show you real life scenarios.

plus us west coast guys will give you the crack treatment.

in fact if you time it right, josh can even be the unofficial judge;)

please don't try doing the board buster contest that crack won with your 7500.

you'll end up with a broken cable, and possibly a broken arm.

there's a reason why ridgid chose the 1500 for this contest:nyaa-nyaa4:

rick.

[All Clear Sewer]

I dont have to come out to anywhere to prove anything ;)
I am saying it "I Am The Drum Master" and I`m offering the CA$H to anyone to come prove me wrong :killingme:
BTW....Rick I was pounding on my chest while I was saying that :killingme:

Now what ya got to say Rick :nyaa-nyaa4:

This is really eating at em :killingme:

[ToUtahNow]

Been there done that?

[PLUMBER RICK]

not eating at me;)

just confused as you were the main reason of throwing the roundup in the first place.

as i stated in the prior post, the ones that attended spent good time and money to attend. ridgid spent more than could be imagined and your name was actually posted on the scoreboard.

for myself or others to come to you after you're the one that canceled is ridiculous.

plus visiting disneyland is more exciting than the land of oz.

go tell that to the scarecrow:D

so for this year, you lost.:loser:

next year i'll be waiting, again.

i hope i don't have to copy and paste this then:rolleyes:



now that this is off my chest:lol:

i'll continue to praise the k-60 impressionator:cool:

rick.

[ToUtahNow]

I have to agree, after all the hype between both of you last year, one of you walked the walk and the other only talked the talk. Bill is the reigning Sectional Champion, Larry is the reigning Drum Champion and Rick is the reigning Overall Champion. The Champions have been crowned for this year so we will have to wait to see what happens next year. Now it is time to move on to bigger and better things.

Go Propress!

Mark

PS: I apologize to the other Champions for not mentioning you but I don't have my list available.

[gear junkie]

In all fairness, I don't think it's right to badger Steve on why he canceled his roundup showing. He had some important matters to attend and if any of us were in his shoes, they would've done the same.

[ToUtahNow]

In all fairness, I don't think it's right to badger Steve on why he canceled his roundup showing. He had some important matters to attend and if any of us were in his shoes, they would've done the same.

Point taken Ben and of course you are right. However, my understanding is next years Roundup is going to be later in the year. After all of the hype between Rick and Steve for the first Roundup the thought of another year of hype is too overwhelming to think of. So in the fairness to the rest of the site I think the Champions as crowned should stand.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

not eating at me;)

just confused as you were the main reason of throwing the roundup in the first place. I really don't think I was the main reason for the round up.

as i stated in the prior post, the ones that attended spent good time and money to attend. ridgid spent more than could be imagined and your name was actually posted on the scoreboard. I`ll bet you I spent more money then all you together and I`m still spending time ;)

for myself or others to come to you after you're the one that canceled is ridiculous. No your thinking that I should have put some fun trip in front of my kids life is just ridiculous!!!!!!

plus visiting disneyland is more exciting than the land of oz.

go tell that to the scarecrow:D The scarecrow say`s your Chicken and don't want a real world challenge :killingme:

so for this year, you lost.:loser: so far this year you are the BIG CHICKEN :loser:

next year i'll be waiting, again.;) Next year lets see if you can do something from the real world, not staged ;)

I hope I don't have to copy and paste this then:rolleyes:




now that this is off my chest:lol:

i'll continue to praise the k-60 impressionator:cool:

rick.

Now who`s man enough to come take $1000. of my money??? I know Ricks not!!!!

[ToUtahNow]

Now who`s man enough to come take $1000. of my money??? I know Ricks not!!!!

That's pretty funny stuff. What you should ask is who is willing to spend a couple of thousand dollars to come take your thousand dollars. It's not who's man enough it's who dumb enough to lose big money to win little money. Besides I've Googled Hutchinson and it is listed as one of the top ten most boring towns in the United States

http://citynoise.org/article/4368

If anyone is going to attend this "challenge" there needs to be a draw besides spending money. It's too bad there is not a real Plumbing Hall of Fame somewhere. In addition it should be centrally located which is why I suggested Colorado in an earlier post.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

Hutchinson and it is listed as one of the top ten most boring towns in the United States

http://citynoise.org/article/4368

If anyone is going to attend this "challenge" there needs to be a draw besides spending money. It's too bad there is not a real Plumbing Hall of Fame somewhere. In addition it should be centrally located which is why I suggested Colorado in an earlier post.

Mark
Hummmmm Mark is this a cheap comeback or stab at a place you know nothing about?
I have been all around the USA and I can attest to the fact that every town has the same problems.
Hutchinson offers those who live here the best of both worlds - big city conveniences blended with the benefits of a comfortable community filled with a prosperous atmosphere yet without the big city problems of air pollution, rampant crime, traffic jams and socioeconomic battles.
The murder rate is lower here than other towns around the USA(One murder in the last 23 years)
It`s not like South Central Los Angeles where you have to wear protective gear just to go outside of your home.


Hutchinson Demographics:
As of the census of 2000, there are 40,787 people, 16,335 households, and 10,340 families residing in the city. The population density is 746.0/km2 (1,932.6/mi2). There are 17,693 housing units at an average density of 323.6/km2 (838.3/mi2). The racial makeup of the city is 88.57% White, 4.28% African American, 0.65% Native American, 0.59% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 3.65% from other races, and 2.21% from two or more races. 7.67% of the population are Hispanic or Latino of any race.

There are 16,335 households out of which 28.9% have children under the age of 18 living with them, 49.3% are married couples living together, 10.3% have a female householder with no husband present, and 36.7% are non-families. 31.7% of all households are made up of individuals and 13.5% have someone living alone who is 65 years of age or older. The average household size is 2.31 and the average family size is 2.91.

In the city the population is spread out with 23.2% under the age of 18, 11.0% from 18 to 24, 27.8% from 25 to 44, 21.2% from 45 to 64, and 16.9% who are 65 years of age or older. The median age is 37 years. For every 100 females there are 101.7 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there are 100.5 males.

The median income for a household in the city is $32,645, and the median income for a family is $40,094. Males have a median income of $30,994 versus $21,190 for females. The per capita income for the city is $17,964. 12.7% of the population and 9.8% of families are below the poverty line. Out of the total population, 16.5% of those under the age of 18 and 9.7% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.



Hey mark maybe you should try these links ;)

http://www.visithutch.com/index.htm

http://www.cosmo.org/ 2nd largest collection of US space memorabilia anywhere and the largest collection of Russian space memorabilia outside the former Soviet Union

http://www.kansasstatefair.com/

http://www.hedricks.com/

http://www.hutchgov.com/department/index.asp?fDD=18-0

http://www.undergroundmuseum.org/index.php

And the lake thats only a 15 minute drive from town

http://www.kdwp.state.ks.us/var/news/storage/images/other_services/ks_outdoors_photographs/ks_state_park_photos/cheney_sunset/129459-2-eng-US/cheney_sunset_imagelarge.jpg

Or then again maybe you shouldn't talk about what you know nothing about ;)

Food for thought Mark and if the shoe fits

Why Southern California Sucks
http://jamiedonohoe.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-southern-california-sucks.html

http://karkarodon.deviantart.com/art/California-Sucks-36258283

Mark we can find this kind of crap all day long. Now what was your point at bashing the place I just happen to live?

[ToUtahNow]

I believe I rode through Hutchinson on my way from Hays to Witchita. I don't recall anything horrible about it but I don't recall any draw to it either. I have also spent some time in Parsons, De Soto, Levinworth and Kansas City. My point is Elyria had the Ridgid factory to visit so it was more than just a trip to a drain cleaning challenge. If you expect people to drive over 1,300 miles (325 gallons of fuel and a week or better in hotels)you need more than a lake to attract them. Why not make it some place where there is something else to do besides a couple hour competetion? That's what was so great abot the Roundup, we had three days of jam packed stuff to do.

Mark

[wrench spinner]

How about NY!!!! Plenty to do here!!! More than KS and Ohio that is for sure!

[ToUtahNow]

How about NY!!!! Plenty to do here!!! More than KS and Ohio that is for sure!

I've had too much of Manhattan but I understand upstate is incredible. Of course you would really have to have some attractions to get west coasters to travel that far with all of their equipment in tow. We could do it at my place in Utah but there is not enough variations of problems as the entire Piute County only has 1,300 people in it.

Mark

[All Clear Sewer]

Hummm I just don't know Mark...
I seem to find plenty to do around here.
I can go to the lake and run my speed boats
I can go to the space center that's only a few blocks from my house
I can go to some auto races
I can go to some drag races
I can go 600` down to the salt mines
I can go clubing at one of the many partying places
I can get on my HD and take a nice ride around the parks
I can get out one of my custom cars and cruse main street ( that one always gets me in trouble)
I can do these every night of the week with out wear protective gear just to go outside.
I could and am going to go see Styx and Kansas in one of the many shows in September.
Heres that list
Fri. 9/5/2008
at 7:30 PM Styx with Kansas
Hutchinson, KS



Sat. 9/6/2008
at 7:30 PM Gary Allan with Blake Shelton
Hutchinson, KS



Sun. 9/7/2008
at 7:30 PM Poison
Hutchinson, KS



Mon. 9/8/2008
at 7:30 PM Demolition Derby 2008
Hutchinson, KS



Tue. 9/9/2008
at 7:30 PM Jeremy Camp
Hutchinson, KS



Wed. 9/10/2008
at 7:30 PM FreestyleMx
Hutchinson, KS



Thu. 9/11/2008
at 7:30 PM An evening with Puddle of Mudd
Hutchinson, KS



Fri. 9/12/2008
at 7:30 PM Alice Cooper
Hutchinson, KS



Sat. 9/13/2008
at 7:30 PM Joe Nichols with Jason Michael Carroll Hutchinson, KS



Sun. 9/14/2008
at 4:00 PM Corbin Bleu with Justin Stein Hutchinson, KS

Yep there's nothing to do around here but the best part is we don't have the So Cal attitude so it makes it a great place to relax :thumbup2:
Just a bunch of laid back red necks having good times :D

[plumberjr]

the only reason the k50 on crack didnt make a mess is it was most likely a pvc line with not much in it----i dont want to argue all week, but this is true---a drum machine is quicker and less mess---isnt that why we all own them????run that machine w/o guide down a old steel line full of grease and black sludge--no matter how much water is run, its gonna be all over---NO IF'S AND'S OR BUT'S-----WE ALL BUY DRUMS CUZ EFFECTIVENESS, CLEANLINESS, AND TIME SAVINGS

BOTH MACHINES HAVE THEIR PLACE ON DIFF JOBS---I ALSO BELIEVE I READ RICKS POST SAYING THE K60 IS NOT FOR CLEARING HEAVY ROOTS--MY 6200 DOES IT JUST FINE---AND SO WILL MY 7500 IF SOMEONE SELLS ME ONE !!!!!!!I USED ONLY A 1500 AND K50 BEFORE THE 6200--SO I KNOW SECTIONALS--ESPECIALLY THE FACT THAT THEY TAKE MORE TIME AND A MESSSSSSSSSSSS

I SNAKED A SEWER 80 FT TODAY WITH 6200--BASEMENT HAD WHITE WALLS AND LIGHT CREAM CARPET--NO WAY ID DO IT WITH A SECTIONAL--DONT MATTER HOW MANY TARPS OR DROPS--THAT CRAP DOES DRIP AND RUN--NO WAY EVER WITH SECTIONAL--AND I DID HAVE NO MESS AT ALL----TOOK DRUMMER OUTSIDE AND PULLED PLUG--ALL DONE--NO MESS:D:D
AGAIN, EACH MACHINE HAS THEIR PLACE--I PREFER NO MESS AND MORE JOBS PER DAY MEANS MORE $$$$$$$$$$--WHY HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY????????

[ToUtahNow]

Steve,

I'm sure there is plenty to do in Hutchinson for a local and the trip down the salt mine sounds cool. I guess we will have to see if anyone is interested in the other things to do. When you talk about the boat, the motorcycle and the car I am hoping you have enough for everyone because I don't know if that is something anyone will be hauling with them. Just make sure you don't let Rick drive your boat unless you have plenty of insurance. As for the State Fair schedule I was under the impression next years Roundup was going to be in September.

Mark

[stxrus]

:deadhorse:

sorry guys but the good natured humor has left the building. this subject is deader than elvis. this is reaching the level of political arguments on the internet

just my $.02 before taxes

steve