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  • #31
    Re: Uncomfortable Subject

    Originally posted by Josh View Post
    Guys.. this is sounding more and more like discussion that should be done through PMs and via cell phone. I dont know if a new forum is really the solution for this. I didnt put Mark up to his comments but I do agree with him. I believe that if you dont have anything to hide in the way you do business then theres no reason you cant discuss it on the forum. if its something that doesnt belong posted publiclly then putting up hoops for people to jump through isnt going to be the solution.

    Josh
    Dunbar made a great argumennt for that.
    So many posts get undermined or sidetracked with outside comments or DIY'ers getting upset when we comment on having to repair work they've done.
    We go from discussing safety features/issues on fixtures to finger pointing at how someone was insulted by hearing something said the wrong way.

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    • #32
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      I just shaved off my left eyebrow reading this.

      I'm thinking in the situation of a hidden forum....it's like a moderator on a forum that can see just another forum, regular members excluded.

      After awhile you don't even realize that it's hidden to anyone else and the viewing public isn't aware of its existence.

      Well, it sounded good when it was in my head.
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      • #33
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        Its not a matter of hiding it or restricting it. Its a matter of who gets in and do you really trust that nobody will ever get into the private forum that doesn't belong there. I really think that PMs and setting up private chats in RIDGIDChat is the way to go.

        Im listening though.. convince me.

        Josh

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        • #34
          Re: Uncomfortable Subject

          Originally posted by Josh View Post
          Its not a matter of hiding it or restricting it. Its a matter of who gets in and do you really trust that nobody will ever get into the private forum that doesn't belong there. I really think that PMs and setting up private chats in RIDGIDChat is the way to go.

          Im listening though.. convince me.

          Josh
          Thats a better idea even...if you mean a private chat room.
          The whole idea is that when we want to talk about situations, techniques, tools or other topics that we're not comfortable in the open..we call eachother or pm.
          Effectively we are hiding in a sense, just not in the forum.
          The whole idea is having a way to communicate all together rather than one to one.
          A thinktank of sorts.

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          • #35
            Re: Uncomfortable Subject

            We need to see the west coast plumbers show up to give their two cents on these matters since it involves them as well.

            Actually there's a bunch of regular members that fall into the gammut of expertise/knowledge I'd say fits the bill that randomly post on here. They need to be asked how they feel to get a complete opinion.

            Josh I'm sure you're excellent of knowing who's spouting knowledge and who's not; usually the conversation/participation by a member will spell out how well trained they are.


            Here's what I'd propose in your shoes:


            Minimum 500-1000 posts on this site; you can make a great asessment of one's knowledge seeing this posting history in one place. Of course this requirement will instantly knock me out of the window of opportunity and that's okay. It should be a privilege to the longstanding members to get in to that side of the forum.

            Of course if someone starts posting for posting count, they don't deserve the ability to get in.

            Trying to chat (even though I've never tried it) I have seen is hard to coordinate, especially if it's done on a voluntary basis and requires a set time. Open door chat is really nice but hard to get in when you want to speak to certain individuals I'm sure.

            I do the PM thing off and on with a few members and it's a good function on a forum board for off-forum convos. I sometimes don't remember to check if I have any sometimes.....even though it's in the right hand corner of my screen.

            I'd say that with anything, try it and see if it floats. If it sinks then it was idea that didn't work and things go to normal. I'm sure a forum exclusive to pros would be uplifting for moral, and a reward for those who contribute freely to those who need advice/recommendations.

            I'm willing to wait till I earn status.
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            • #36
              Re: Uncomfortable Subject

              Originally posted by DuckButter View Post
              Thats a better idea even...if you mean a private chat room.
              The whole idea is that when we want to talk about situations, techniques, tools or other topics that we're not comfortable in the open..we call eachother or pm.
              Effectively we are hiding in a sense, just not in the forum.
              The whole idea is having a way to communicate all together rather than one to one.
              A thinktank of sorts.

              Crap! He went to bed~!


              Oh wait, this post shouldn't count. :run:
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              • #37
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                I have to agree with Utah in that I don't see the need for a private forum. I feel that if you want to talk about something that you are uncomfortable about someone else possibly seeing, then use a private message or pick up a phone. I personally don't care if some homeowner sees a thread about how I run my business, or how I set my rates, etc. As for an irritating homeowner or do it yourself person that tries to derails a thread, if no one responds to them, they tend to go away.

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                • #38
                  Re: Uncomfortable Subject

                  Originally posted by Nevada plumber View Post
                  I have to agree with Utah in that I don't see the need for a private forum. I feel that if you want to talk about something that you are uncomfortable about someone else possibly seeing, then use a private message or pick up a phone. I personally don't care if some homeowner sees a thread about how I run my business, or how I set my rates, etc. As for an irritating homeowner or do it yourself person that tries to derails a thread, if no one responds to them, they tend to go away.
                  My thoughts exactly.

                  Honestly, I would rather have homeowners see the reason why I charge the rates I've set (Labor, Materials, Travel Time, Liability Insurance, etc.). To me, the more homeowners are educated about running a mobile shop, the less likely they are to grumble.

                  We all know who the respected professionals are here, so if a newbie chimes in, take it with a grain of salt.

                  Tracy
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                  • #39
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                    too me it's the reason why i don't join the phcc. it's a boys club out for flat rate.

                    the forum is not just for pros. it's for the common joe. there is plenty of communications here both on chat and on the phone. there isn't a day that goes by that i don't get or make a phone call to another member.

                    i really feel that a private forum will take away from the whole reason why we are here. to share our knowledge and help people out. both public and pros.

                    i have to agree with mark, nevada, and tracy. along with josh

                    to me the private stuff can be handled like it's been before.

                    i doubt the t&m guys really need to hide their trade secrets. sorry, but this is how i feel and this is what i see it boiling down too.

                    rick.

                    i can hear the phone ringing now
                    phoebe it is

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                    • #40
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                      What about us " Johnny come lately s " . Guess it's kinda like " Hey , you're a REALLY GOOD player , but we;ve already got our team ,,, sorry"

                      Boys Club . Oh ,well there goes another good forum . Too bad, really liked this one.

                      CPlumb

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                      • #41
                        Re: Uncomfortable Subject

                        Originally posted by CPlumb View Post
                        What about us " Johnny come lately s " . Guess it's kinda like " Hey , you're a REALLY GOOD player , but we;ve already got our team ,,, sorry"

                        Boys Club . Oh ,well there goes another good forum . Too bad, really liked this one.

                        CPlumb
                        No need to get nervous this will all work out.

                        Mark
                        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                        • #42
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                          I have to agree with Tracy. If you're not ripping the public off than why should you hide the business side? I personally don't give a rats you know what what Joe home owner thinks of my rates. If he does'nt like it he's got plenty of other places to try (though we all charge about the same around here) If he's really interested he can sit down with my accountant and get a first hand education as to why I charge 97 bucks an hour.
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                          • #43
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                            Okay then, How bout this:


                            Josh, Please change my user name to RUGGED <<< All caps please!!!


                            That way I can hide behind my username like the majority are doing here without any way of tracking back to statements made online.

                            I shouldn't of used my "professional" name on here because there are times I go off the handle, off topic or like to discuss specifics in regards to numerous things involving plumbing.

                            These specifics have to be told sometimes to fully explain what why and how it happened. There's been many a times I've wanted to either help someone in their situation, add insight to a potential problem and caught myself thinking back to the simple fact;

                            it's a public forum

                            it can be read for years through cached pages or search engine finds

                            can be seen by my former,current, future customers that may or may not be in my best interest

                            ^^^^ I promise with the above line, I'm sure there are heated moments in conversation permanently inked in the rolodex of info across the www you wouldn't want clientell seeing/hearing/having a head's up, especially if you meant it differently than the way it was portrayed.

                            Even though the internet is huge, names and word jumbles can lead you to a statement you've made in the heat of the moment, or you've changed your mind and have a different take, different work practice or even left the state where a situation presented a bad bad situation and like most humans, acted out on it whether it was good or bad for you personally, good or bad for you for business.

                            It just would be nice that if these web crawlers do pick up snippets of info that was here today, never gone tomorrow, it sure would be nice that when the user went to click on that link trying to gain info regarding certain subject matter, it took them to a restricted access page that keeps this private content where it belongs.

                            But seriously, go ahead and change my username so I can get the same luxury afforded by anyone that say anything and not be held accountable for it. Fair enough. I up and removed my company url weeks ago just because I was trailing this line with certain subject lines and felt compelled to NOT give the keys to the cadillac to allow a free ride to where it's coming from.




                            Word!
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                            • #44
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                              I'm notorious for defensiveness with DIY requests, I generally avoid the "ask" forum until a recent thread got my attention...my bad.

                              I think this may have a lot to do with my particular market, I get alot of "sneaky" calls drumming me for free info, free estimates or requesting rediculously low prices, yup, it gets to me.

                              One example of why I think a place to openly chat without concerns for general public viewing are those scenario's we occasionally come into..like a customer who wants to pay less after the fact because they feel you may have made a mistake, a concern that maybe you'd used inferior stock or fixtures and want input from other experienced members altogether.
                              It's one thing to take a "tongue lashing" from other tradesmen in your field, another altogether to hear from someone who has taken it upon themselves to impose wisdom because they once installed their own kitchen faucet.

                              I'm DON'T support the idea of elitism, nor clicky or nefariously scheming venues...just a simple place we could let down out hair and talk shop without reservation.
                              Cplumb makes a very valid point, he's a pro..thats pretty obvious...this is why I opted to mention a vote and/or referrals from regular members as a prerequisite aside from seniority....as I said before, nobody knows a plumber like a plumber.

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                              • #45
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                                I guess I can see where you're coming from here. It would be nice to have a secure place online to talk about plumbing and whatever issues. I'm not sure how to go about it though. Guys that want to sneak in probably will. The other thing here is that only people that have an interest in plumbing are going to visit the Ridgid site anyway (Everyone else is looking at porn) So I'm not sure if it's worth being exclusive because of the few that may visit from time to time.
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