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  • #46
    Re: Who Will Be The Next President

    Originally posted by DuckButter View Post
    I just hadda comment on that one more time...envisioning hack contractors going under from being bagged with crews of illegals would certainly promote local commerce.
    I like that, alot.
    no cash pay out no hand written checks. direct deposit no drivers licence no soclial sec card so sorry no job!!! go home

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    • #47
      Re: Who Will Be The Next President

      Originally posted by Crappy days View Post
      I am just having fun. Didn't mean any disrespect. I know allot more about unions then you care to know. My father was President of Subaru of New England for over a decade. While he was president, he kept the union out of the docks. He did this by explaining to his employees the benefit of not going union. They understood that they received bonuses for inventory moved by the number of workers they had. If the union came in the bonuses would go. The union is great or was great maybe 50 sixty years ago.

      When my dad retired from Subaru , shortly after the union came in. work force went from around hundred guys to about a hundred and fifty. The majority of the guys actually took pay decreases, due to union rules ,work hours etc. The wages went down due to having to be spread over a larger work force doing the same amount of work. My dad paid his guys with incentives. Move more product make more money. Once the incentives left so did the effort.
      The whole Union issue is a serious one for me because I experienced many instances where managers picked and choosed who would get overtime or how they wanted to change the job. We always worked with two men at each open manhole and a new supervisor told us from now on it would only be three guys. The work we did was dangerous and warranted the four men. We won out because of the Union, not the supervisors good nature. In my eyes the Union leveled the playing field and stood up for the guys who got sick, injured or slowed down with age. Unfortunately bums also got covered and while bigger business can absorb that kind of behavior , small ones can't.
      I'm sure from what you said your Dad was a good a fair boss, but that's not always the case and Unions do serve a purpose. IT's not a perfect world and I hate what I've been seeing happening to our country. Why does our government refuse to shut down the border? Why does it cost my daughter $48,000 a year to attend college and an illegal goes for free? Which candidate will set things straight?

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      • #48
        Re: Who Will Be The Next President

        Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
        The whole Union issue is a serious one for me because I experienced many instances where managers picked and choosed who would get overtime or how they wanted to change the job. We always worked with two men at each open manhole and a new supervisor told us from now on it would only be three guys. The work we did was dangerous and warranted the four men. We won out because of the Union, not the supervisors good nature. In my eyes the Union leveled the playing field and stood up for the guys who got sick, injured or slowed down with age. Unfortunately bums also got covered and while bigger business can absorb that kind of behavior , small ones can't.
        I'm sure from what you said your Dad was a good a fair boss, but that's not always the case and Unions do serve a purpose. IT's not a perfect world and I hate what I've been seeing happening to our country. Why does our government refuse to shut down the border? Why does it cost my daughter $48,000 a year to attend college and an illegal goes for free? Which candidate will set things straight?
        I do not think any of the candidates left will set things strait. Until we clean out the trash things are going to remain the same ,or close to.
        THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

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        • #49
          Who Will Be The Next President

          "The massively cruel and ruinous communistic experiment of the Soviet Empire would not have been necessary if philosophers and intellectuals had not ignored a basic truth about human nature: Human beings, as a derivative of the instinct to survive, are innately driven to act in their own self interest. Notwithstanding propaganda, conditioning or brute force, any government or institution which runs head on against the grain of this basic human drive is doomed to fail. We seem not to have learned a basic lesson of history: Capitalism harnesses human self interest; socialism exhausts itself trying to kill it. The bureaucrats, who seize and dole out other people's assets, initially see themselves as humanitarians. Eventually, they conclude they are indeed superior to others, and treat themselves accordingly. They make laws to which they are not subject; they vote themselves and their wards privileges and benefits. Then, they no longer serve-they rule a nation of the government, by the government and for the government." -Linda Bowles

          Here's where the Dems are headed.

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          • #50
            Who Will Be The Next President

            "The goal of the 'liberals' -as it emerges from the record of the past decades-was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot-by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli." -Ayn Rand

            How true, sad but true.

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            • #51
              Re: Who Will Be The Next President

              Originally posted by Bogart View Post
              "The goal of the 'liberals' -as it emerges from the record of the past decades-was to smuggle this country into welfare statism by means of single, concrete, specific measures, enlarging the power of the government a step at a time, never permitting these steps to be summed up into principles, never permitting their direction to be identified or the basic issue to be named. Thus, statism was to come, not by vote or by violence, but by slow rot-by a long process of evasion and epistemological corruption, leading to a fait accompli." -Ayn Rand

              How true, sad but true.
              The quotes are fine and you can say liberals are or have ruined our country but give the conservatives some credit too. Twelve to twenty million illegals did not appear solely under liberal administrations. The trade deficit, loss of jobs, price of gasoline and other ills of our society weigh heavy on both liberals and conservatives. If we keep losing jobs to third world countries and illegals you and other conservatives better kiss the ground that there will be a welfare system to fall back on. See that's the problem, no foresight our legislators democrat and republican sat on their butts for thrity years while we gave our economy away. Now we make nothing, consume in excess and wheter it's liberals taxing and spending on education and healthcare or republicans spending a trillion on war "We The People" must pay for their stupidity. We need to start making what we consume, consume less, establish family and personal values, buy what we can afford. Liberals and conservatives are not to blame for the mortgage crisis, individuals are! Where has personal responsibility gone? People need to elect new and more responsible behavior along with a new president.

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              • #52
                Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                All the candidates who were tough on immigration are gone, so to me it's just one bad choise or another. I don't trust Obama though, especially after what his wife said (Never proud to be American till now)

                Almost no one knew Obama existed, then Oprah Winfrey say's she wants him as president and all of a sudden he was one of fron runners.

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                • #53
                  Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                  Originally posted by LarryR View Post
                  All the candidates who were tough on immigration are gone, so to me it's just one bad choise or another. I don't trust Obama though, especially after what his wife said (Never proud to be American till now)

                  Almost no one knew Obama existed, then Oprah Winfrey say's she wants him as president and all of a sudden he was one of fron runners.
                  What do all these candidates have against securing our borders and dealing with the illegals? I wouldn't say I don't trust Obama, it's just that he's all hype and hope with no substance. What can he really do in the face of all these serious problems? No much I think.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                    The quotes are fine and you can say liberals are or have ruined our country but give the conservatives some credit too. Twelve to twenty million illegals did not appear solely under liberal administrations. The trade deficit, loss of jobs, price of gasoline and other ills of our society weigh heavy on both liberals and conservatives. If we keep losing jobs to third world countries and illegals you and other conservatives better kiss the ground that there will be a welfare system to fall back on. See that's the problem, no foresight our legislators democrat and republican sat on their butts for thrity years while we gave our economy away. Now we make nothing, consume in excess and wheter it's liberals taxing and spending on education and healthcare or republicans spending a trillion on war "We The People" must pay for their stupidity. We need to start making what we consume, consume less, establish family and personal values, buy what we can afford. Liberals and conservatives are not to blame for the mortgage crisis, individuals are! Where has personal responsibility gone? People need to elect new and more responsible behavior along with a new president.
                    Remember the key players in the democratic party voted for the war also. Now they want to run and avoid finishing the job they set out to do. If anyone things Hillary , Obama or any other liberal is really gonna pull out once he or she is elected , dream on. I can hear the speech now , it would be inhumane for us to leave these poor people helpless blah blah blah blame the republicans for the mess( even though the Dem's have a majority in the house, congress) blah blah blah. The only guy I believe would have really stopped the war was Ron Paul and I think he is a nut bag aside from a few tax , constitutional things I agree with him on.
                    THE GLASS IS ALWAYS HALF FULL

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                    • #55
                      Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                      They are all thieves and liars. And the hole they've dug us won't be filled anytime soon or without a lot of heartache.

                      It's all about money, for them and theirs, and about diverting us from seeing it. The war is about oil is about money. Imagine what the U.S. would look like in terms of foreign oil dependency Bush had got up in front of us on 9/12 and said 'They hit us hard, but we gave them the resources to do it. It's an American patriot's duty to burn less gas'. Imagine if the money (not to mention the lives) spent in Afganistan and Iraq had been spent on developing alternative fuels. Imagine what the politicians' friends in the oil industry's bottom line would look like as a result. Look at their bottom line now.

                      Gay marriage is about spousal benefits is about money and pushes peoples' buttons to keep them arguing about nothing all that important $ wise to boot.

                      Immigration is about jobs is about the economy and gives us someone to blame other than them. The problem with illegals is that they are illegal. The Mexicans I know bust their ***es and want to learn English, want to be citizens desparately. Look at what they go through to be here... give them a legal path and tax them you don't think they'd take it?

                      Outsourcing, corporate headquarter migration to offshore tax havens... who do you think set up the laws to allow this? Why do you think they don't change those laws? Did you really think NAFTA would benefit you? Not unless you own a large manufacturing company.

                      The mortgage/home value crisis is about lack of proper regulation and oversight so the lenders can screw people who are too dumb to understand. Now we prop up those who got too greedy and didn't cash out soon enough with... you guessed it... my tax dollars.

                      These greedy, short sighted ******** have screwed the economy so hard it might never recover in order to line the pockets of their contributors. Doing away with the 'death tax' is about eliminating capital gains taxes, which might be nice when you sell your rental condo, but really benefits the ultra rich. And wrapped in a nice package about 'saving family farms'. What a joke. They could not produce even one example of a family farm lost to inheritance tax. The entire thrust of recent tax policy is to shift the burden of federal government onto wage earners. That's you and me, not the Kennedys, not the Bush's. The prosecutions of Enron higher ups came only after abuses so outrageous even the American people woke up a little, and demanded a scapegoat. And look how they struggled to find something to charge them with. The laws were set up to allow this kind of rapaciousness.

                      It's nothing but greed, greed of a depth I can barely comprehend it, and by people who already have so much I can't understand how they could possibly want more. The politicians are prostitutes, controlled through their addiction to re-election by people so greedy I can't see them as human.

                      That said, if I'm placing a bet for a winner, not that I think any good will come of any of them, my money is on McCain. Clinton is too hated. Men who haven't voted in 20 years will come down out of the hills and risk getting picked up on all their old warrants just to vote against her. O'bama might be electable, but I just don't see it. It'll be a tradgi-comedy of an election, the true tradegedy being that anyone believes any of them care about anything but getting elected.
                      This is my reminder to myself that no good will ever come from discussing politics or religion with anyone, ever.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                        Originally posted by Ace Sewer View Post
                        They are all thieves and liars. And the hole they've dug us won't be filled anytime soon or without a lot of heartache.

                        It's all about money, for them and theirs, and about diverting us from seeing it. The war is about oil is about money. Imagine what the U.S. would look like in terms of foreign oil dependency Bush had got up in front of us on 9/12 and said 'They hit us hard, but we gave them the resources to do it. It's an American patriot's duty to burn less gas'. Imagine if the money (not to mention the lives) spent in Afganistan and Iraq had been spent on developing alternative fuels. Imagine what the politicians' friends in the oil industry's bottom line would look like as a result. Look at their bottom line now.

                        Gay marriage is about spousal benefits is about money and pushes peoples' buttons to keep them arguing about nothing all that important $ wise to boot.

                        Immigration is about jobs is about the economy and gives us someone to blame other than them. The problem with illegals is that they are illegal. The Mexicans I know bust their ***es and want to learn English, want to be citizens desparately. Look at what they go through to be here... give them a legal path and tax them you don't think they'd take it?

                        Outsourcing, corporate headquarter migration to offshore tax havens... who do you think set up the laws to allow this? Why do you think they don't change those laws? Did you really think NAFTA would benefit you? Not unless you own a large manufacturing company.

                        The mortgage/home value crisis is about lack of proper regulation and oversight so the lenders can screw people who are too dumb to understand. Now we prop up those who got too greedy and didn't cash out soon enough with... you guessed it... my tax dollars.

                        These greedy, short sighted ******** have screwed the economy so hard it might never recover in order to line the pockets of their contributors. Doing away with the 'death tax' is about eliminating capital gains taxes, which might be nice when you sell your rental condo, but really benefits the ultra rich. And wrapped in a nice package about 'saving family farms'. What a joke. They could not produce even one example of a family farm lost to inheritance tax. The entire thrust of recent tax policy is to shift the burden of federal government onto wage earners. That's you and me, not the Kennedys, not the Bush's. The prosecutions of Enron higher ups came only after abuses so outrageous even the American people woke up a little, and demanded a scapegoat. And look how they struggled to find something to charge them with. The laws were set up to allow this kind of rapaciousness.

                        It's nothing but greed, greed of a depth I can barely comprehend it, and by people who already have so much I can't understand how they could possibly want more. The politicians are prostitutes, controlled through their addiction to re-election by people so greedy I can't see them as human.

                        That said, if I'm placing a bet for a winner, not that I think any good will come of any of them, my money is on McCain. Clinton is too hated. Men who haven't voted in 20 years will come down out of the hills and risk getting picked up on all their old warrants just to vote against her. O'bama might be electable, but I just don't see it. It'll be a tradgi-comedy of an election, the true tradegedy being that anyone believes any of them care about anything but getting elected.
                        Ace, you got it all! Heck I'd vote for you if you were running. I agree that McCain is the logical winner even though he's weak on the border issue. I also agree that most of the illegals are hardworking but the fact that they are here illegally and undercutting Americans who do need to earn more so they can pay taxes etc, causes a big problem. Make them legal and level the playing field. Great post.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                          The latest picture of Obama in Muslim attire will be more damaging than what anyone realizes.

                          Saddam Iraq Hussein

                          Orack Hussein Obama


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                          • #58
                            Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                            Obama says "Thank You!"


                            My fellow Identity-Americans:

                            As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for their ... well, support.


                            Your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.


                            I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.


                            I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee he was having an extra marital affair with who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.


                            And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.


                            Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.

                            I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them.


                            Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote in the primaries, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me. Thank You.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                              "Imagine what the U.S. would look like in terms of foreign oil dependency Bush had got up in front of us on 9/12 and said 'They hit us hard, but we gave them the resources to do it. It's an American patriot's duty to burn less gas'".

                              Yeah, and we would have been "hit hard" within a few months again.

                              "Gay marriage is about spousal benefits is about money and pushes peoples' buttons to keep them arguing about nothing all that important $ wise to boot."

                              Gay marriage is about keep the sanctity of "standard" marriage. Let them have their civil unions, i guess, but marriage is between a man and a woman.

                              "The Mexicans I know bust their ***es and want to learn English, want to be citizens desparately. Look at what they go through to be here... give them a legal path and tax them you don't think they'd take it?"

                              Their is a legal path, they have to get in line just like the immigrants that came befor them. Also the other difference is when the european immigrants came here they wanted to be americans, nobody gave my grandparents their drivers license test in a different language.

                              "The mortgage/home value crisis is about lack of proper regulation and oversight so the lenders can screw people who are too dumb to understand"

                              Yeah thats it, blame only the lenders for lending people money, its a 2 way street, you have to know what your own limits are, if you cant afford the payments why buy a house? TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS. Its like suing dunkin donuts because hot coffee spilled in your lap while you were driving.

                              "Doing away with the 'death tax' is about eliminating capital gains taxes, which might be nice when you sell your rental condo, but really benefits the ultra rich."

                              Why should there be a death tax? If I work my whole life and amass property and nice savings why should that money be taxed again as i pass it on to my children? Is was taxed as it was made. Your looking for wealth redistribution, thats Marxism at it's best.

                              If the country is sooo b ad then why not move, run for office or do something besides b****ing.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Who Will Be The Next President

                                Originally posted by Ace Sewer View Post
                                Gay marriage is about spousal benefits is about money and pushes peoples' buttons to keep them arguing about nothing all that important $ wise to boot.
                                I'd like to rewind and elaborate.
                                It isn't just gay marriage.
                                It's EVERYTHING!
                                Conservatives waste time, money & resources pointing at the liberals, liberals reciprocate and waste even more resources returning fire...meanwhile all this time and thought devoted to blame has us distracted from the fact that this country is a wreck.

                                Divide and conquer... heck we do it all by ourselves.

                                We have a system that allows anyone with enough money or political connections to spend effectively on prime time media and spout the same old generic promises in hopes that the same old trick works again.

                                P.T. Barnum was right...there IS one born every minute.
                                Kinda like when Fruity Pebbles puts bright new colors on the same old packaging and your 5 year old is tugging at your sleeve at the supermarket...we like "bright and shiney", "new & improved"...so often we miss the substance.
                                Does feel good to hear so many mention Obama's approach strikes them as it strikes me...whew.

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