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  • #46
    Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

    Mcdonald's net in 07-- $23 B
    06-- $21 B
    05-- $20 B
    04-- $19 B
    03-- $17 B

    Exxon Mobil's net in 07 -- $171 B

    Now for the math, 12% of Mc's 23 B would get you about $2,640,000,000

    While 9% of Exxon Mobil's $171 Billion would get you $15,453,000,000

    Maybe it's just me, but:
    I think I'll take the 9% every time.

    Jim Don


    P.S. Like Frankiarmz said, nobody has to eat at Mc's and nobody has to buy software created by Gates there are other programs out there and who says you have to have a computer!
    Last edited by JimDon; 06-10-2008, 10:48 PM. Reason: Add a PS at the end

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    • #47
      Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

      Originally posted by JimDon View Post
      Mcdonald's net in 07-- $23 B
      06-- $21 B
      05-- $20 B
      04-- $19 B
      03-- $17 B

      Exxon Mobil's net in 07 -- $171 B

      Now for the math, 12% of Mc's 23 B would get you about $2,640,000,000

      While 9% of Exxon Mobil's $171 Billion would get you $15,453,000,000

      Maybe it's just me, but:
      I think I'll take the 9% every time.

      Jim Don


      P.S. Like Frankiarmz said, nobody has to eat at Mc's and nobody has to buy software created by Gates there are other programs out there and who says you have to have a computer!
      So are you being critical of McDonalds for not selling enough product or Exxon for selling too much product? Imagine if there were as many oil companies as there were fast food joints. It seems 9% would not even be close in such a market.

      Mark
      "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

      I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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      • #48
        Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

        Gee I wonder how this thread got off topic about Obama, his associations, his beliefs & his wifes beliefs. Thats how they do it, they just blame something on Bush and then change the subject to another topic.

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        • #49
          Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

          Quote: "It seems 9% would not even be close in such a market."

          Thank you Mark, you just validated my entire argument.

          Jim Don

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          • #50
            Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

            "Gee I wonder how this thread got off topic about Obama, his associations, his beliefs & his wifes beliefs. Thats how they do it, they just blame something on Bush and then change the subject to another topic."


            Re-read Post No. 39 for the answer.

            Jim

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            • #51
              Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

              Originally posted by JimDon View Post
              Quote: "It seems 9% would not even be close in such a market."

              Thank you Mark, you just validated my entire argument.

              Jim Don
              Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The percentage of profit would increase with the decrease of product sales.

              Mark
              "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

              I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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              • #52
                Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
                Oil companies work on a 9% profit, McDonald's works on a 12% profit and Microsoft works on a 29% profit. I'm wondering how many of us would want our profit margin controlled by someone else?

                Mark
                The U.S. consumes over 388 milion gallons of gasoline per day, and that only accounts for the 19 gallons per 42 gallon barrel of crude that goes to gasoline.
                I don't really know what percentage gas stations pay per gallon, so lets assume maybe $3 a gallon.
                Thats a total of $1,164,000,000 in sales per DAY not including front end gas station profits. (1.1 billion)
                9% of that comes to $104,760,000 a day in profits.

                Microsoft surpassed $50 billion for the year 07 in TOTAL sales.
                At 29% for the year, that amounts to just under $15 billion for the total year at 29%, versus $38.3 billion profits for the oil industry at 9% for the year.

                Simple percentages don't do the reality justice.

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                • #53
                  Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                  My point in mentioning those figures...it's one thing to tell the local coffee shop they're charging too much.
                  It's another thing altogether when the oil industry is profitting with such vast margins at the potential expense of our way of life.

                  As for Microsoft, I just got Vista...very disappointed...getting MAC from here on in.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
                    Perhaps you misunderstood my point. The percentage of profit would increase with the decrease of product sales.

                    Mark
                    Apparently I missed your point also.
                    Your dead on...there must be consideration that there's a point where profitability becomes a monopoly so overpowering that we are no longer a democracy.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                      Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
                      Twisted representation of Obama? Thats funny. If the shoe fits...wear it.

                      Tell me what good has come out in his message of hate?
                      Sorry I missed this post or I would have responded sooner. Nothing funny about the lies and misrepresentations. I agree that to point out things he himself actually said is a fair way to proceed. I am opposed to all the lies and while I said I would most likely vote for obama, all McCain has to do to get my vote is either agree to secure our borders, deal with the illegals, get our troops back home or do something to fix or economy. Regarding the messages of hate and any good that comes from them, I'm sure if he got any of the people listening to quit doing drugs, drinking or committing crimes and lead more responsible lives then some good came out of the hate. We can talk about this all you want, I heard the hate and I believe that buried in there some good was achieved. I do not condone or endorse the hate from anyone black or white and what I said and I'll repeat myself is that I think the black community tolerates him for the reasons I mentioned. Do you know we still have scholars trying to prove that blacks are not as smart as whites? There is racism on both sides of this campaign and it is sickening to me, it should be sickening to every decent American. The only reason a farrakhan can exist is because he has an audience, same with the white racists. I'd like to see them all go to hell! Let the USA truly be the country where all men are created equal with liberty and justice for all. Is it really so shocking to hear a message of hate from a black man towards whites when we have heard similar filth from the kkk for decades? Let's move on, past the hate and insults and lies. Let's fix our broken America.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                        Former NASCAR official files $250 million lawsuit

                        By The Associated Press
                        June 10, 2008
                        02:07 PM EDT


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                        A former racing official is suing NASCAR for $250 million, alleging racial and sexual discrimination, sexual harassment and wrongful termination.
                        Mauricia Grant, who is black, worked as a technical inspector responsible for certifying cars in NASCAR's second-tier Nationwide Series from January 2005 until she was fired last October.
                        Grant alleged she was referred to as "Nappy Headed Mo" and "Queen Sheba," by co-workers, was often told she worked on "colored people time," and was frightened by one official who routinely made references to the Ku Klux Klan.
                        In addition, Grant said she was subjected to sexual advances from male co-workers, two of whom allegedly exposed themselves to her, and graphic and lewd jokes.
                        The lawsuit, filed Tuesday in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, lists multiple incidents of alleged sexual harassment and alleged racial discrimination beginning when she was hired in January 2005 thru her October firing.
                        "NASCAR perpetuated, condoned and actively participated in perverted and disgusting sexual conduct designed to demean and diminish [Grant] and the handful of other women employed by NASCAR as officials," according to the suit.
                        NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said the organization had not yet reviewed the suit.
                        "As an equal opportunity employer, NASCAR is fully committed to the spirit and letter of affirmative action law," Poston said. "NASCAR provides equal opportunity employment to job candidates and employees without regard to race, religion, creed, age, gender, or any other characteristic protected by law. Personnel decisions are made based on factors such as performance and adherence to corporate policy."
                        Poston also said NASCAR has a zero tolerance policy for harassment, and will address Grant's claims in its response to her suit.
                        In the lawsuit, Grant said she complained numerous times to her supervisors about how she was treated, to no avail. On one occasion, Grant said Nationwide Series director Joe Balash, her immediate supervisor, was dismissive of her complaints, explaining her co-workers were "former military guys" with a rough sense of humor. "You just have to deal with it," she says Balash told her.
                        On another occasion, she alleged Balash participated in the harassment.
                        "Does your workout include an urban obstacle course with a flat-screen TV on your back?" she claimed Balash asked her during the week of July 28, 2007, while working in Indianapolis.
                        The lawsuit details a series of alleged incidents:
                        • Grant was forced to work outside more often than the white male officials because her supervisors believed she couldn't sunburn because she was black.
                        • While riding in the backseat of her carpool at Talladega Superspeedway, co-workers told her to duck as they passed race fans. "I don't want to start a riot when these fans see a black woman in my car," she claims one official said.
                        • When packing up a dark garage at Texas Motor Speedway an official told Grant: "Keep smiling and pop your eyes out 'cause we can't see you."
                        • When she ignored advances from co-workers, Grant was accused of being gay. She also claimed co-workers questioned the sexual orientation of two other female officials.
                        Grant said she routinely complained to her supervisors. Two weeks after her final complaint, Grant said she was warned during the week of August 18, 2007, at Michigan International Speedway that she had engaged in "conduct unbecoming of a NASCAR representative" and would be fired unless she changed her behavior. She said the warning stemmed from a confrontation Grant had with a track official who stopped her as she passed through a gate to use the restroom.
                        Roughly two months later, Grant was fired, and NASCAR cited a poor work performance in ending her employment. The lawsuit claims other than a previous warning for using "street" language, Grant had never been disciplined for job performance and routinely received positive reviews.
                        In addition, the suit claims officials Heather Gambino and Jane Hayes were fired in 2006 for separately complaining about a sexually hostile work environment. The suit also claims former official Dean Duckett, who was black, was reprimanded and ultimately fired in November for using "aggressive language toward a white co-worker."
                        Among those identified in the suit are Balash, assistant series director Mike Dolan, supervisors Alan Shephard and Dennis Dillon, NASCAR's senior manager for business relations, the human resources director and 17 of Grant's fellow officials. All of the defendants are white.
                        Grant claims she continues to suffer from severe emotional distress, including depression, anxiety, nightmares, sleep disturbance, crying jags, headaches and gastrointestinal distress since her firing. She's been unemployed since.





                        See what I mean?


                        I truly believe............some of the above happened.....without a doubt.

                        Is it excessive and a stretch of the imagination...........I doubt it.


                        That's just the society we live in........some of it worse than others.
                        Last edited by DUNBAR PLUMBING; 06-10-2008, 11:58 PM.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                          In support of Jim Don's long, but excellent post, let me say that prior to "retirement", I used to receive some of the yearly reports on petro-chemical and hydrocarbon processing industry reports and I subscribed to several of the industry's periodicals.

                          A couple of the reports more significant to me were "outlooks" which are the published results of surveys within the industry. They provide insight as to who's doing what, where, and when; providing good insight on the industry and it's immediate future. In 1998 the industry showed a planned 20% decline in investments. This was significant at the time, because our new CEO was demanding a significant increase in market share that year, despite an industry report that showed a cutback on everything from exploration to new equipment purchases.

                          What struck me odd, was why the industry would be planning a cutback in almost every sector. The economy at the time was pretty good. What became clear later was that such planned cutbacks usually don't have an impact for months or even years.

                          Sure enough, the rising cost of gasoline and other energy-related shortfalls hit us in the 2000 election year. It was pointed out as part of the mismanagement of the Clinton Administration and therefore helped sweep Bush and Cheney into the Whitehouse. You may recall, that prior to his bid to be Vice President, Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton (a major influence in the Petro-Chem and Hydrocarbon industry and also the prime contractor for military logistics support). And of course, we can't forget that George H. W. Bush was at the time a high-paid consultant to Saudi Arabia's petroleum industries and that as a previous president, he had all of George W's records, military and otherwise, classified! Both would have to have significant influence in the industry and it's planned direction.

                          What occured of coarse was a successful election that placed Bush and Cheney and the entire American petroleum industry squarely in the White House. The heavy lobbying and election financial support already put much of the U.S. Senate, and Congress in the petroleum industries back pocket.

                          It doesn't take a genius to see that almost everything done in the last seven years has been of great value to the petroleum industry as a whole.
                          While we've seen some swings in gas prices, the overall trend has been upwards. During this administration, the industry has been given record tax breaks and has also profitted tremendously from "oversights", allowing millions to be "uncollected". It has also benefitted from a relaxation of EPA rules and the repealing of restrictions that now allows them to explore far more Gulf Coast areas, as well as some interior sites.

                          Likewise we've been subjected to rolling blackouts along the west coast, with rising electricity costs, corrupted energy officials who laugh as they plan shortages, blackouts, and planned shutdowns that have driven up energy costs. All the while, Bush and Cheney exercise "executive privilege" to keep meetings with the energy industry and their content a "secret".

                          So now we see ourselves in the last year of the Bush/Cheney regime and surprisingly (or NOT), we see unexplainable record breaking increases in gas prices. Should one begin to think that, even with the slightest chance for a Democrat in the Whitehouse next year, maybe this is a going away present for Bush and Cheney's buddies in the petroleum business?

                          Yet while companies like Exxon/Mobile have posted continued record profits, it hasn't taken a single step to "ease the pain at the pump". But why should it? Heck, it still owes for the Alaska Oil Spill and certainly no one in the government seems to want to push for closure there either.

                          So this week we hear Bush whine once again, that we need to drill in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve, even though it wouldn't help us for possibly another decade and even then would only provide a couple of years supply, based on today's consumption rate. And of course we can't turn on television without seeing commercials by the American Petroleum Industry and Exxon/Mobile telling us how much gas we have and how hard they are working to make things better for all of us. Guess it's good to see our gas dollars going for something good, like more propaganda!

                          CWS

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                          • #58
                            Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                            Originally posted by JimDon View Post
                            "Gee I wonder how this thread got off topic about Obama, his associations, his beliefs & his wifes beliefs. Thats how they do it, they just blame something on Bush and then change the subject to another topic."


                            Re-read Post No. 39 for the answer.

                            Jim
                            Hey! Post #39 is my post. Gas prices were raised before I posted about them as a reason that I would not vote for Obama.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                              As we ponder the price of fuel, remember that a consideral percentage of the pump price is taxes levied by the Fed and State. So does the government really have an incentive to step in?

                              If the Fed was to set price limits and or profit caps on the oil companies how do you think they would react? The oil companies are responsible to the share holders. When profits begin to slide, share holders begin to dump stock. It would be nice to believe that there's a handfull of bastards at the top, skimming off huge profits but the truth is the profits get spread among the share holders.

                              Right now, as I am typing this, China, Korea and India have oil rigs drilling 60 miles off the Florida coast. But because of the environmental wacko's, we can't. There is an estimated trillion gallons of oil in Anwar Alaska, but again the wacko's won't let us drill there (save the caribou) There has not been a refinery or a nuke plant built in this country for over 30 years.

                              These are not the fault of the president, Bush, clinton, Bush again. It's the fault of the congress. Your elected represenitives. Believe me absolutly nothing is going to be done unless you call these fools and let them know how you feel. Stop re-electing the morons.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Maybe it's just me...(Another Obama thread)

                                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                                Nothing funny about the lies and misrepresentations. I agree that to point out things he himself actually said is a fair way to proceed. I am opposed to all the lies and while I said I would most likely vote for obama, all McCain has to do to get my vote is either agree to secure our borders, deal with the illegals, get our troops back home or do something to fix or economy.
                                The stupid thing about the lies is that the truth is bad enough, why lie? People just need to go to obama's church's website(the church he belonged to for 20 years) to see what he thinks.

                                Our troops are not coming home regardless of who gets elected, borders and illegals will not change either. Neither candidate has the political will nor the intelligence to do what it takes to help our economy; but obama said he would raise taxes which is a guaranteed way to damage/destroy our economy.
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