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  • #31
    Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling and Pimp Daddies From DC

    Originally posted by Tyman View Post
    It's not derailed until they get talking about the round up, again.

    Before the round up it was sectional vs drum.
    this debate will never stop.

    but i can tell you i get lots of p.m's for sectional questions.

    the roundup will get re-energized as soon as the full length dvd and photos come out.

    then it will time to promote next years roundup.

    go team geritol

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    • #32
      Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

      Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
      Today is a great day to be an American. We won this all so important second ammendment ruling.

      This is going to be George W. Bush's legacy. Say what you want about him, he has made many mistakes during his 7+ years in office. But today sealed his legacy. Had it not been for his appointment of judges Roberts and Alito, 2 centralist conservitives, us gun owners could have had our right to keep and bear arms taken out from under us today.

      Take this into consideration as you think about who you will pull the lever for this November, what would have happened today if Al Gore would have won in 2000? Or if Kerry would have won in 2004? We would be looking at a different outcome with the judges they would have appointed.

      Its not about the lesser of the 2 evils as I hear people say when they ponder who to vote for. Its an important decision and you should think about who represents your beliefs (or who closer represents them)no matter who it is, as the president's decision CAN impact our way of life.
      Today is a good day to be an American.
      We don't always see eye to eye, but this is a really good post.
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      • #33
        Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

        Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
        First off the use of the word state as used in the 2nd Amendment did not mean a literal State. Secondly while this ruling over turned the DC ban the big win was the Court made an interpretation of the 2nd Amendment which before this they had always refused to do. Now short of repealing the 2nd Amendment, legal citizens should be able to possess firearms with some restrictions. What really bothers me though was the Judges which dissented did based on their concerns this would over turn gun laws elsewhere. Those Judges should be tossed out on their ears because they are trying to make law which is not their job. Their job is only to interpret and administer current laws.

        Mark
        I Agree the ruling on the 2nd amendment is whats important. For me it was a great ruling. I guess time will tell.

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        • #34
          Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

          Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
          Today is a great day to be an American. We won this all so important second ammendment ruling.

          This is going to be George W. Bush's legacy. Say what you want about him, he has made many mistakes during his 7+ years in office. But today sealed his legacy. Had it not been for his appointment of judges Roberts and Alito, 2 centralist conservitives, us gun owners could have had our right to keep and bear arms taken out from under us today.

          Take this into consideration as you think about who you will pull the lever for this November, what would have happened today if Al Gore would have won in 2000? Or if Kerry would have won in 2004? We would be looking at a different outcome with the judges they would have appointed.

          Its not about the lesser of the 2 evils as I hear people say when they ponder who to vote for. Its an important decision and you should think about who represents your beliefs (or who closer represents them)no matter who it is, as the president's decision CAN impact our way of life.
          Today is a good day to be an American.
          Wow. Just wow. Of all the things that have happened to impact the world in the last 7.5 years, you really think this is the most important. I'm stunned. Even defending Bush, his impact on malaria is less of a legacy than the fact that this decision barely passed muster in the one non-state in the country?

          Okay.



          Eli
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          • #35
            Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

            Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
            How about right off the bat if you commit a crime while in the possession of a gun (legal or illegal) you get life in prison.

            WHO gets to decide what a CRIME is?

            protecting your self in your own home? Protecting your property and life? What happened if you have some accident and fire it in city limits, some how and the "LAW" says no discharge in city limits. shooing some attacking wild animals?

            which "CRIMES" there are laws on the books you probly do not even know about, which may or possibly with that type of blanket ruling would land you Life for jay walking. If you had a gun with you at the time.
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            • #36
              Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

              Originally posted by BHD View Post
              WHO gets to decide what a CRIME is?

              protecting your self in your own home? Protecting your property and life? What happened if you have some accident and fire it in city limits, some how and the "LAW" says no discharge in city limits. shooing some attacking wild animals?

              which "CRIMES" there are laws on the books you probly do not even know about, which may or possibly with that type of blanket ruling would land you Life for jay walking. If you had a gun with you at the time.
              The DA decides what a crime is. He then decides whether to prosecute, at that point a judge/jury decides if it is a crime. Depending on where you live, self defense by any means is considered a crime, Just ask all those folks in NYC who have been prosecuted for defending themselves when being robbed or assaulted.
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              • #37
                Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
                There has not been any federal change to the right to bear arms since the 1700's. .
                there has been many changes to Federal firearm laws, WHAT DO you mean by this statement?
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                • #38
                  Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                  Originally posted by Rafael View Post
                  The DA decides what a crime is. He then decides whether to prosecute, at that point a judge/jury decides if it is a crime. Depending on where you live, self defense by any means is considered a crime, Just ask all those folks in NYC who have been prosecuted for defending themselves when being robbed or assaulted.
                  this is exactly what I Mean, any use of a firearm in some locations is illegal, you my be able to own one legally but to use it even in defence of your own or family lives is not legal.

                  BE VERY CAREFUL OF BLANKET LAWS,
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                  • #39
                    Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                    BHD,
                    Defending yourself in many places is illegal even without a gun.
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                    • #40
                      Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                      Originally posted by BHD View Post
                      this is exactly what I Mean, any use of a firearm in some locations is illegal, you my be able to own one legally but to use it even in defence of your own or family lives is not legal.

                      BE VERY CAREFUL OF BLANKET LAWS,
                      Very good exchange. My neighbor who is a retired police officer said even in self defense with a legal firearm you would be in for years of litigation and misery. The flip side of that truth was stated much earlier in this thread "Better to be tried by twelve than carried(buried) by six. Criminals work the legal system to no end with defense attorneys who use any and all loopholes, drag trials out for years and plea bargain. Why is there such resistance to law abiding people defending themselves? Who loses when a person defends him or her self against a criminal? We need to recognize the seriousness of discharging a gun when even trained professionals encounter all sorts of problems when face with a gun battle. I keep watching these "World"s Craziest Videos" where a shop owner will get into a gun battle with a criminal and neither are looking where they are firing their guns. Very complicated issue even if there were no local laws involved.

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                      • #41
                        Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                        The reason is that politicians do not want people taking care of themselves, it is part of the welfare state mentality. If you defend yourself then pols think you are one of those self sufficient people who dont need govt handouts and are probably against welfare and more bureacracy. Look at England, people go to jail for defending themselves there regularly, that is a far more socialist country than ours.
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                        • #42
                          Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                          Originally posted by woodenstickers View Post
                          Wow. Just wow. Of all the things that have happened to impact the world in the last 7.5 years, you really think this is the most important. I'm stunned. Even defending Bush, his impact on malaria is less of a legacy than the fact that this decision barely passed muster in the one non-state in the country?

                          Okay.



                          Eli
                          The reason it passed is because of the 2 judges he nominated to the bench. Had he selected a more liberal justice, the people of D.C. would not be allowed to possess a gun, which just happens to be a constitutional right. The reason for it's importance is due to the fact that one by one the liberal politicians and judges are trying to take our god given rights away, one by one.

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                          • #43
                            Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                            Originally posted by BHD View Post
                            WHO gets to decide what a CRIME is?

                            protecting your self in your own home? Protecting your property and life? What happened if you have some accident and fire it in city limits, some how and the "LAW" says no discharge in city limits. shooing some attacking wild animals?

                            which "CRIMES" there are laws on the books you probly do not even know about, which may or possibly with that type of blanket ruling would land you Life for jay walking. If you had a gun with you at the time.
                            How about you use common sense, like if you decide to rob a bank with a gun, or if you rob someone at gunpoint, or maybe if you kidnap someone with a gun, carjack someone, etc etc etc. If someone breaks into your home you have the RIGHT to defend yourself. You are trying to make a mockery out of my statement. There is such a thing as common sense....try using it.

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                            • #44
                              Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                              Originally posted by BHD View Post
                              there has been many changes to Federal firearm laws, WHAT DO you mean by this statement?

                              Where and when has the CONSTITUTIONAL right to keep and bear arms been changed.


                              Ill be waiting for your answer

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                              • #45
                                Re: 2nd Amendment Ruling

                                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                                Very good exchange. My neighbor who is a retired police officer said even in self defense with a legal firearm you would be in for years of litigation and misery. The flip side of that truth was stated much earlier in this thread "Better to be tried by twelve than carried(buried) by six. Criminals work the legal system to no end with defense attorneys who use any and all loopholes, drag trials out for years and plea bargain. Why is there such resistance to law abiding people defending themselves? Who loses when a person defends him or her self against a criminal? We need to recognize the seriousness of discharging a gun when even trained professionals encounter all sorts of problems when face with a gun battle. I keep watching these "World"s Craziest Videos" where a shop owner will get into a gun battle with a criminal and neither are looking where they are firing their guns. Very complicated issue even if there were no local laws involved.
                                They say, when someone breaks into your home you should shoot to kill, not to injure because the litigation will drag on and on. "Kill them dead" they say.

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