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  • #31
    Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

    Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
    Your local has never picketed a jobsite before? Or you've never seen another local picket. They're not just on prevailing wage jobs. C'mon.
    80% of the construction done in the Chicago area is all union, including houses, I see more picket lines at refineries than I do on construction sites.

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    • #32
      Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

      Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
      80% of the construction done in the Chicago area is all union, including houses, I see more picket lines at refineries than I do on construction sites.
      And why do you think that is? Is it because you guys are less expensive then non union? I dont think so.

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      • #33
        Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

        Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
        And why do you think that is? Is it because you guys are less expensive then non union? I dont think so.
        Non union shops can't man the work.

        Can you find twenty qualified non union plumbers in a week's notice?

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        • #34
          Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

          Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
          Non union shops can't man the work.

          Can you find twenty qualified non union plumbers in a week's notice?
          For a house?

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          • #35
            Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

            My wife and I pay around $1,500 per month for our medical insurance and are very pleased with our coverage. We have excellent doctors who listen to our input and who are not afraid to refer us to specialist when we ask for one. It is the same coverage I supplied to my employees but most employees have no idea what the real cost of coverage is.

            Mark
            "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

            I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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            • #36
              Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

              Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
              For a house?
              For a hundred houses, or a high rise, when I ran new high rise work I liked to keep a crew of about sixty guys.

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              • #37
                Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
                For a hundred houses, or a high rise, when I ran new high rise work I liked to keep a crew of about sixty guys.
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                Of course the unions have their place there is no doubt about it. You know as well as I do that they muscle work, like I said I've seen it with my own eyes, I tell those delegates that come around to go scratch their @ss. I'd rather close up shop then go union.

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                • #38
                  Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                  Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
                  Non union shops can't man the work.

                  Can you find twenty qualified non union plumbers in a week's notice?
                  Yes, it is actually pretty easy these days. I remember at one time where union shops would visit competitors union job sites and offer a dollar over scale and steal all of the guys off of a job. Back then there were not enough union guys to do the union jobs. Today you can find enough of either to man jobs in the areas I am working.

                  Mark
                  "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                  I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                  • #39
                    Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                    Originally posted by Masterplumb View Post
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                    Of course the unions have their place there is no doubt about it. You know as well as I do that they muscle work, like I said I've seen it with my own eyes, I tell those delegates that come around to go scratch their @ss. I'd rather close up shop then go union.
                    Then can we do away with the union talk that has no real part of the discussion on why insurance companies are criminals with a license to steal?

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                    • #40
                      Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                      Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
                      Then can we do away with the union talk that has no real part of the discussion on why insurance companies are criminals with a license to steal?
                      If the talk about the union bullies make you uncomfortable then I guess I will stop.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                        When I first switched from a union shop to a non union shop in the 70s I was the foreman of a non union apartment building project. One day I had a station wagon full of union business agents show up on the site looking for union guys working non union sites. One was my ex-business agent and were they pissed when I kicked them off the job and locked the gates. They spent the next couple of weeks watching the job from the street

                        Mark
                        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                        • #42
                          Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                          Originally posted by Killertoiletspider View Post
                          Then can we do away with the union talk that has no real part of the discussion on why insurance companies are criminals with a license to steal?
                          To be fair I have represented insurance companies which have gone belly up from paying out claims on contractor liability policies so it is not all about having a license to steal. Insurance companies have risk managers who evaluate their risk. They hope to make money from limited risks and smart investments. However, it does not always work that way and they do go bankrupt on occassion.

                          Mark
                          "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                          I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                          • #43
                            Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                            I pay around $250 a month for my health insurance. I'm a small business owner, and now in the 2nd year of running a company. It's difficult to raise enough cash to pay all the other bills (credit card processors, town and county fees, taxes, and even business insurance). Then, when I do go to the doctor, I have to pay the full bill cause my deductible is so high. Makes me wonder why I even have it, to be honest. Except for the fact that if something catastrophic happens, I'm covered. Although at that point, I wonder how I'll pay the $250/mo when I can't work! Overall, it's a good policy, and I can go to the doctor when I need.

                            Health insurance is one of the things I've always waffled on. On one hand, the industry charges TONS for their service and then they are likely to deny some things. They are heavy-handed on the doctors and hospitals that actually provide the health services. However, they do provide that safety margin for families and individuals. It may cost bundles per month to have that policy, but when someone gets sick or injured, that policy can end up being a lifeline. Insurance companies have to make a profit, too. They should not be damned because they're profitable businesses. Instead of picking on them for investing in Oil companies, why not pick on the oil companies for running our country into the ground?
                            I put it all back together better than before. There\'s lots of leftover parts.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Building Trades vs. Medical Industry

                              Originally posted by VASandy View Post
                              They should not be damned because they're profitable businesses. Instead of picking on them for investing in Oil companies, why not pick on the oil companies for running our country into the ground?
                              They are insanely profitable, because they have no limits or regulations on what they can do, or what they can charge, but still enjoy the protection of the bankruptcy courts after their profits are siphoned off by their offshore owners. Oil companies are regulated as far as profit margins, but the flaws in that regulation are being pushed to the hilt right now.

                              But I know, there is nothing wrong with the insurance industry.

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