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  • #31
    Re: UFC Fans

    Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
    With all of our technological advances, sociology, education, etc. what interests me is that we're still just basically a mirror of ancient Rome.

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    Kind of what I was thinking alll along, real good and safe to be a fan while some other slob is getting ripped apart by a lion or fast forward to our modern times of the slob who's getting beaten to a pulp by another guy. Does being a fan excuse the sport? Does it excuse the spectacle? Are you still a good and decent person if you don't physically have a hand in inflicting the damage but rather do so by supporting it with your money? Were those scumbags sitting safely in the stands of the Coliseum contributing to the horror? Guess you can keep a clear conscience if you convince yourself your hands are clean? I have the same attitude towards violence as I do towards Porn, I'll watch it if it's free but I won't support it with my money! I have my standards.

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    • #32
      Re: UFC Fans

      Wow! What happened here? Everyone has an opinion today
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      • #33
        Re: UFC Fans

        I personally like to watch the UFC and so does my wife. We debate who is better on the ground, who has a better boxing game, ect.

        The UFC does not tolerate drug use. If you would watch any of the shows you would see Dana White talking about representing the sport in a positive way. If you go smash a limo window as one contestant did, you go home.

        Seems people are always looking to blame society for their failures in life or others. So kids get in a fight in school, blame the UFC. Some kid shots another kid, blame video games. Your kid gets overweight, blame food makers.

        If you don't like the MMA, fine but don't even try to blame the failure of parenting on the UFC.
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        • #34
          Re: UFC Fans

          Originally posted by Tyman View Post
          I personally like to watch the UFC and so does my wife. We debate who is better on the ground, who has a better boxing game, ect.

          The UFC does not tolerate drug use. If you would watch any of the shows you would see Dana White talking about representing the sport in a positive way. If you go smash a limo window as one contestant did, you go home.

          Seems people are always looking to blame society for their failures in life or others. So kids get in a fight in school, blame the UFC. Some kid shots another kid, blame video games. Your kid gets overweight, blame food makers.

          If you don't like the MMA, fine but don't even try to blame the failure of parenting on the UFC.
          No argument here that parenting has gone down the drain and the result are out of control , disrespectful and dangerous pre-adults. Allowing them access to some of the most efficient and damaging martial arts techniques does not make them better students or members of society. The teacher who used to be able to manhandle an unruly male student and get him back into his seat of out of the classroom, may now be in danger of becoming the victim of a triangle choke or arm bar. Some of these techniques are very easy to pick up from tv. I enjoy seeing these matches and not having to pay for them, but maybe it would be safer for society in general if they were not so easily accessible to young minds? Instead of raising well mannered students with a focus on the future, we have these little clusters of prison like free for alls and the teachers who are stuck in them can't do their jobs. The student who would like to learn can't do so either when their classmates are all jacked up on the latest fights and moves. I don't think we will stop the MMA or any of the other blood sports since they are such money makers, perhaps laws governing school behavior need to be ramped up? I just think the more tools we have in our arsenal, wheter they are martial arts or information off the Internet, the more responsible we need to be, the more accountable we need to be.
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          • #35
            Re: UFC Fans

            I don't want to see laws passed. I don't want censorship of any kind. I'm just trying to point out that these specticles, along with all of the other violent influences seem to be having a negative effect on our kids. As parents (and I've raised 8) it get's harder and harder to control all of the input our kids are subjected to. If you and the wife are sitting in the living room, watching and cheering as 2 guys beat up on each other, what message does that send to your kids? How do you explain to a young mind that this sport is ok but voilence is not? I'm not saying you can't do it, but it's a whole lot harder when you are the ones tuning in. And it trickles down to other things as well. How about your 7 year old son sitting on the couch next to you, watching you play halo or miami vice? What channel's can you comfortably watch on the TV anymore without being inundated with violence and blatent sexual inuendo? I cringe when my daughter is in the room and the TV is on because I never know what tastless crap is going to spring up next. Family guy, spike TV, the comedy channel, adult swim, MTV, VH1, and the list is pretty much enless with the exception of the food network. Do we really need to subject our kids to this and then wonder why 12 year old girls are getting pregnant? It's getting harder by the day to keep an eye on what our kids are doing.
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            • #36
              Re: UFC Fans

              Kill your TV if you don't like it. Nobody is forced to watch or even own a tv.
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              • #37
                Re: UFC Fans

                No we are not. Nor radio, movies, books, theater, restaurants or any public places for that matter.
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                • #38
                  Re: UFC Fans

                  I really don't think I need the goverment telling me more things I can and can't do.

                  People need to take responsibility for themselves.

                  If UFC fighting makes people mad they can turn it to Matlock and get a big glass of prune juice.
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                  • #39
                    Re: UFC Fans

                    I've said my piece, and given my reasons. I really don't expect an overnight change in peoples attitudes or behavoir. Just hopefully planting a seed.
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                    • #40
                      Re: UFC Fans

                      You know, everybody has a point here. I used to find the UFC distasteful until an ex of mine introduced me to the finer points of MMA. She had studied and practiced for a long time, and even though she was nice as pie she would be dangerous to anyone who threatened her or her friends on the street. Seriously.

                      It is the same argument as guns really, except with guns you don't need to train and learn and have any discipline whatsoever to do serious damage. Pro wrestling has been hitting people with folding chairs since I was a lil guy. I have a scar on my head (sadly my hairline has crept back further to make it more visible) from a flying clothesline turned flying head-butt when I was 10 or so.

                      What are you gonna do? We are waging war as a country that is/has taken thousands of lives, the video game industry has turned that reality into a lark you can go on from your living room--as far as the end of civilizations and societies go, one of the great philosophers (Sandy prolly knows which one ) said the first symptom of the fall of an empire is when the youth are idle. It happens that way every time.

                      But then, hey. who knows. There were more gang murders in the twenties. There used to be lynchings and whippings and witch burnings and wild west shootouts. As violent as it is these days, I'm not sure there was a point in history, and I really doubt in American history that was less violent. That is just off the cuff speculatin' on a hypothesis though. I could be wrong.



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                      • #41
                        Re: UFC Fans

                        Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                        I've said my piece, and given my reasons. I really don't expect an overnight change in peoples attitudes or behavoir. Just hopefully planting a seed.
                        I don't doubt you are right. I don't know what the solution is though. My big worry for my future kids is mostly for the girls. You can't buy a pack of gum without seeing three or four completely artificial looking, gleaming white teeth baring, un-naturally spherical breast thrusting women staring at you from the magazine covers by the register. I don't want my girls thinking they have to, or even should try to live up to that ridiculous standard in order to be worth something. Sure the guys may have to act tough, but the girls are supposed to be pr0n stars as soon as they are out of diapers. That is much more disturbing to me.

                        They asked teens what they wanted to be when they grew up and in the US the number one answer is famous. Not even specifically for anything. Just frickin famous.

                        When I have kids I really might kill my TV. One thing is for certain--no MTV ever. EVER!


                        Eli

                        PS I still like to watch the UFC though. I'd rather my hypothetical kids get into martial arts and find a hero who has DONE something, learned something, than follow Paris Hilton.
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                        • #42
                          Re: UFC Fans

                          Originally posted by woodenstickers View Post
                          I don't doubt you are right. I don't know what the solution is though. My big worry for my future kids is mostly for the girls. You can't buy a pack of gum without seeing three or four completely artificial looking, gleaming white teeth baring, un-naturally spherical breast thrusting women staring at you from the magazine covers by the register. I don't want my girls thinking they have to, or even should try to live up to that ridiculous standard in order to be worth something. Sure the guys may have to act tough, but the girls are supposed to be pr0n stars as soon as they are out of diapers. That is much more disturbing to me.

                          They asked teens what they wanted to be when they grew up and in the US the number one answer is famous. Not even specifically for anything. Just frickin famous.

                          When I have kids I really might kill my TV. One thing is for certain--no MTV ever. EVER!


                          Eli

                          PS I still like to watch the UFC though. I'd rather my hypothetical kids get into martial arts and find a hero who has DONE something, learned something, than follow Paris Hilton.
                          Eli,

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                          • #43
                            Re: UFC Fans

                            Just watched ufc. Worth watching. Every fight was good except for the Brandon Vera fight. Seemed like everyone was getting knocked out tonight.
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                            • #44
                              Re: UFC Fans

                              Here ya go!


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                              • #45
                                Re: UFC Fans

                                Originally posted by gear junkie View Post
                                Just watched ufc. Worth watching. Every fight was good except for the Brandon Vera fight. Seemed like everyone was getting knocked out tonight.
                                I agree, great night of fighting. Once Brandon gets used to the weight he will do a lot of damage, last night was a test for him. Amazing how fast a good fighter like Irvin was taken out, no chance for damage control or attempts at a take down. The UFC is giving plenty of entertainment away for free, hope they continue.

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