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  • Why do they Tax Us?

    Don't the fools at the state house and the fed realize that every time they either come up with a new tax or raise the business taxes we already pay that we have to raise our prices to cover the increase. Naturally then we pass the tax on to the customer. So do all businesses. When the taxes eventually get to the point where we can no longer sell our products or services then we pack up and move our businesses to Taiwan or Korea. All business taxes are regressive and punish the consumer. Businesses don't just take the hit and live with it. We pass the misery on. I think there should be absolutly no business taxes at all. It's unfair to the consumer to tax business. Imagine how much less a gallon of gas would be if there were no business taxes attached to it. Would businesses be awash in profit? No more so than they would be anyway. The market adjusts to need and what the consumer is willing to pay. competition drives prices. Taxes drive prices up.
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    Re: Why do they Tax Us?

    Maybe we should eliminate ALL taxes. Heck, why not just eliminate the entire government altogether??? Absolute Anarchy can't be so bad, right?
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    • #3
      Re: Why do they Tax Us?

      Another Ron Paul Supporter heard from.

      We could eliminate taxes altogether with a national lottery or even a flat tax would be better than taxes on income. I read somewhere that if everyone paid just 20 bucks a yer it would be enough to pay for everything and then some. It will never happen though because it would put thousands of IRS agents, Tax accountantants and lawyers out of business along with H&R Block and all those other tax guys plus the software companies, etc.
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      • #4
        Re: Why do they Tax Us?

        If you eliminated all business taxes you'd have to make it up in personal taxes if you want to fund the same programs to the same level, so what's the difference?
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        • #5
          Re: Why do they Tax Us?

          It brought to you by the same group that thinks one is to stupid to do any thing with out governmental approval, and there stamp of approval on the "workman" and to get that stamp of approval you have another tax to pay to get that licence, and permit, why In your state they are nearly against private properly rights, so why would then not TAX you, they give you protected work,

          It is simple they get money out of you, for licences and permits and other, why would they not TAX you to get your wages as well, (oh they do that now), and TAX you for retirement benefits (oh the do that now), so why would they not TAX you on your business profits, and assets.

          (one thing you need to to understand, the licencing and permits are not for public safety, there are for revenue for the state and local governments and they are also for control of you, and your business plain and simple, and to create a protected trade, yes they were passed and introduced with the CRY for concern for public safety, I am not saying some may not be concerned for public safety, but that is not why there in place).

          who cares if you pass it on, they can say they are not taxing the little guy, there TAXING big bad businesses, heck if you have a business, your RICH, have you not figured that out yet, you have wealth to share with that guy that sits on the corner with the cardboard sign wanting money for alcohol studies, you have more than he does, you need to help him, why if you were really patriotic you would give him your business.

          IT is SIMPLE THEY TAX YOU and you get blamed for high prices and gouging the public and the politicians get to say they TAXED the RICH and the ONES WHO COULD AFFORD IT, and why not your willing pay all the other taxes they have stroked your ego with, making you think your a notch above the others, you have a protected trade, they want some of the green from it.

          It is simply the steps to socialism, Take it a step further, they will say it is costing the customer to much and so they may decide to just nationalize your business, or set up more regulations to control the greedy businesses (wage and price controls), as your charging to much, how else can they protect the consumer from such greed.
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          • #6
            Re: Why do they Tax Us?

            Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
            Another Ron Paul Supporter heard from.

            We could eliminate taxes altogether with a national lottery or even a flat tax would be better than taxes on income. I read somewhere that if everyone paid just 20 bucks a yer it would be enough to pay for everything and then some. It will never happen though because it would put thousands of IRS agents, Tax accountantants and lawyers out of business along with H&R Block and all those other tax guys plus the software companies, etc.

            I AM ALL FOR A FLAT TAX!!!
            Why do some have to pay in $1000's and some get back $1000's, I just don't get it.
            $20 bucks a year? I'm all for it. Every Man, Woman, and child. For my family of four that would be $80. No problem! And I'm one of the ones that get $1000's back but I still don't get it, or think it's fair.
            I guess it's "redistributing the wealth". So for all those that have made good in life, I guess the Government has decided it's your job to give those that haven't, an extra $$$$ of your money!!!!!!
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            • #7
              Re: Why do they Tax Us?

              Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
              Another Ron Paul Supporter heard from.

              We could eliminate taxes altogether with a national lottery or even a flat tax would be better than taxes on income. I read somewhere that if everyone paid just 20 bucks a yer it would be enough to pay for everything and then some. It will never happen though because it would put thousands of IRS agents, Tax accountantants and lawyers out of business along with H&R Block and all those other tax guys plus the software companies, etc.
              $20 isn't enough, it is far more than that. $2,730,000,000,000, assuming there are 300,000,000 of us, means $9300 per person. For every $1 of value created, the federal government spends $0.19 of it. For me, there are 4 additional layers of government that I pay significant taxes to beyond that (state, county, town, school).

              The problem isn't taxation per-se it is spending. If they don't get the money from your business they get it from somewhere else. The government just needs to stop inventing creative new ways of spending our money; and stop some of the existing ways.

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              • #8
                Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                I don't pretend to have a soulution. I'm just pointing out that taxing business is generally bad for the economy and the number one reason so many jobs have been shipped over seas and why we have seen a persistant decline in our industrial base over the last 75 years. Businessmen aren't stupid. They will do whatever they have to to stay profitable.
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                • #9
                  Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                  I don't pretend to have the answers either. I'm just thinking that taxing John Q. Public to death is generally bad for the economy and the number one reason so many can't afford to buy the bare necessities, let alone anything extra. He has no income to spend on a new PU truck, a vacation, home maintenance or improvements, kids college, etc. We have seen a persistent decline in our buying power over the last 35 years. People aren't stupid, they will work the system however the have to to stay alive and keep a roof over their heads, whether they are paying for it or you.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                    It all kind of makes you long for a harbor a dark night and a ship full of tea.........
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                    • #11
                      Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                      Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                      It all kind of makes you long for a harbor a dark night and a ship full of tea.........
                      Yup, I think its time for a modern day tea party.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                        Well my thinking on this is...
                        1 lower business taxes to 5% or less..john q public pays it in the price of the product anyway you look at it.
                        2 a flat tax on everything you buy maybe 5 to 10% not sure.I'd except only food and medicines on that.
                        3 tax all imports at the exact same rate business is now taxed at..be it an import of a mineral or a finished product.Add to that a tax that includes all government regulated expenses of producing whatever..from the business license to the enviro costs involved to make/mine/produce that product here in the states.
                        4 tax all exports at 10 to 15% thats still much lower then the current business tax rate
                        5 an incentive/deduction for a business to buy new machines etc to be more productive here in the states.And a tax of 15% if they refuse to reinvest for the same every 10 years.
                        6 tax all income of international businesses at the current rate if that income does not come from domestic production.
                        7 if a business is caught using illegal aliens as labor they get taxed at the current rate for the next 10 years.Plus pay a penalty of 10% of the net company income per person caught,up to 50% of the companies income.That should totally stop that problem.
                        8 tax all bonuses that amount to over 100k at 50%..that still allows a decent bonus to most people.Include in that all future income derived from the income if the bonus is in the form of a stock.
                        9 tax all politicians a tax equal to 50% of their total income be it from their wage in office or income from other sources...They are supposed to serve the public.I'd include that any raise in their wage must be voted on by the public.
                        10 tax all political campaigns at a rate of 50% of the income over 5 dollars per person in the district/region/area they represent.That money to go to paying national debt and hopefully build a reserve for the future.The politician tax would go to the same fund.
                        Oh well that wont happen
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                        • #13
                          Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                          Don't know if all that will work, but at least you're thinking.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                            Originally posted by threecreeks3 View Post
                            8 tax all bonuses that amount to over 100k at 50%..that still allows a decent bonus to most people.Include in that all future income derived from the income if the bonus is in the form of a stock.
                            Segregating bonuses from normal income won't do anything. People will just want larger base salaries instead and and then laid get off when things go wrong instead of getting a smaller bonus. [Most of the people who work for a 100%+ bonus won't stick around a place if they don't get it anyway.] Segregating types of income just adds an avenue for abuse. That is why having separate capital gains allowed hedge fund managers to cheat with "carried interest" if there was no difference between the types of income; there is no incentive to cheat or have oddly structured compensation packages.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Why do they Tax Us?

                              'Why do they Tax you" to pay for thoughs aircraft carriers that sail the world and protect us from all thoughs bad guys, aircraft carriers which cost billions of your tax dollars to build and maintan, and for your army and airforce that the U.S can only afford.
                              You wanted to be the Roman Empire of all thoughs thousands of yeas ago the world leader and you are, but it takes money lots of money and that is why they tax you but it cannot last as the U.S. is nearly bankrupt and the wolves are circuling and pity help the world when you do go under.

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