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  • Taxes and death....

    I see it like this:

    If you keep flushing baby wipes and use drain-o to clear sink clogs because it feels good on your butt and is money in your pocket compared to drain cleaning you will have to pay eventually. To get mad at the plumber who tells you so is childish.

    Now, if the plumber is going to use that repair payment to subsidize your future purchase of baby wipes and drain-o you have a right to be angry. That is what is going on now, and I agree with the anger for THIS PART 100%.

    But put blame where it is due!! We have to pay to fix the pipes or the house is danger of flooding! Yes, get angry at the plumber if he rips us off and does a bad job, but not for the fact that repairs that are needed from

    A) our own carelessness and

    B) the advice and work of our last plumber.

    Ah whatever, I do like baby wipes and hate paying for snaking--drain-o is only $3.00! Guess I could get a hair trap but....

    3% more in my pocket now or a collapsed economy and lay-offs for the next 10 years....

    Eli
    A good carpenter makes few mistakes, a great carpenter can fix his own.

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    Re: Taxes and death....

    Holy crap Batman, my brain hurts after reading that.
    Teach your kids about taxes..........eat 30 percent of their ice cream.

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    • #3
      Re: Taxes and death....

      Originally posted by BadgerDave View Post
      Holy crap Batman, my brain hurts after reading that.
      Taxes have to be raised to pay for the damage that has been done with YEARS of over spending and tax cuts among other things. Putting teabags on your hat is not a valid response to this FACT. That is like getting mad at a plumber for telling you your pipes are shot from using drain-o.

      Being mad about continued misuse of the taxes collected is valid, but a separate issue. Being mad about the failure to stop the damaging actions that got us in this mess is also valid. Pretending it is the BILL that is the problem instead of the actions that created the mess is like being a ignorant customer who wants a cheap fix over solving the problem.

      Crappy analogy I guess, but my point is I see the people who are whining about losing their tax cuts as the ignorant customer who wants a solution in a bottle and doesn't want to pay for repairs.
      A good carpenter makes few mistakes, a great carpenter can fix his own.

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      • #4
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        Call me a whiner but if I can't claim the interest on my mortgage I'm sunk and then you folks who are doing a bangup job at work can kick in to support me as well! Tax my medical benefits and I'll also whine! Went on strike and lost thousands of dollars fighting to get those benefits, I'm not about to pay taxes on them without a fight! I did not vote for President Obama only to have him do exactly what John McCain said he would do if elected. I really shouldn't get worked up over all this nonsense anyway, according to Glen Beck on Fox News the interest alone on our national debt is over one billion dollars a day. I'd say we are pretty much done spending beyond our means, just hope communist china gets paid. What a disgrace.

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        • #5
          Re: Taxes and death....

          We have taxes in place to pay for infrastructure: Vehicle registration, fuel tax, etc to pay for roads and bridges.

          We have taxes in place to pay for everything and then some. Property tax pays for schools, etc.

          The problem (in keeping time with your analogy):

          The problem is that the new plumber, while he is the bearer of the "your pipes need to be replaced", his idea to fix it somehow involves putting in granite countertops, new carpet, hardwood floors, a new roof, a pool, and a friggen bird house AND fix your neighbors house too. But don't worry, he's not charging you, he'll bill "the rich guy" down the street.

          And the really sad/ironic thing is it's his company that caused the pipe damage in the first place.

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          • #6
            Re: Taxes and death....

            The republicans don't have clean hands in this economic mess, their administrations sat back and waved bye bye to American jobs, allowed illegals to enter our country like it was an amusement park, paid for a war we could not afford... Both political parties have let us down. I wouldn't trust either to fix anything in my home, but at the same time I have no choice when it comes time to vote. Sort of like when you go shopping, no matter what store you buy from it's all made in communist china! Hope I did not insult any communist chinese, I'd hate to be the cause of them calling in our loans. Disgraceful what the democrates and republicans have allowed to happen, guess we were sleeping or watching the super bowl?

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            • #7
              Re: Taxes and death....

              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
              Call me a whiner but if I can't claim the interest on my mortgage I'm sunk and then you folks who are doing a bangup job at work can kick in to support me as well! Tax my medical benefits and I'll also whine! Went on strike and lost thousands of dollars fighting to get those benefits, I'm not about to pay taxes on them without a fight! I did not vote for President Obama only to have him do exactly what John McCain said he would do if elected. I really shouldn't get worked up over all this nonsense anyway, according to Glen Beck on Fox News the interest alone on our national debt is over one billion dollars a day. I'd say we are pretty much done spending beyond our means, just hope communist china gets paid. What a disgrace.
              Point taken. Fell into my own trap of trying to over simplify. I pay a very, very high percentage of tax compared to my income. Sales tax went up to 9.5% in S.F. this month. I am firmly n the middle class and get taxed as such with no write-offs whatsoever. I am still living comfortably for now, but that all is directly dependent on people being able to continue to buy beds for thousands of dollars, let alone necessities like food and medicine. I expect to kick in to help you out when you need it, that is how a society should work in my opinion. I guess that makes me a socialist. I really think it is my best interest if things work this way though, even if I am giving more than I get from the system personally.

              The trickle down theory says that the rich are the parents on the plane when the cabin gets de-pressurized. We need to let them put the mask on themselves before they attend to us so they don't pass out and we all die. Problem is, like you noted in the other thread, they don't seem to be too concerned once they get their own masks on as long as they know they are going have plenty of o2 for themselves.

              What really needs to be addressed is the blatant corruption that the current system is openly based on. Until then whats the point?
              A good carpenter makes few mistakes, a great carpenter can fix his own.

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              • #8
                Re: Taxes and death....

                Originally posted by Rhino View Post
                We have taxes in place to pay for infrastructure: Vehicle registration, fuel tax, etc to pay for roads and bridges.

                We have taxes in place to pay for everything and then some. Property tax pays for schools, etc.

                The problem (in keeping time with your analogy):

                The problem is that the new plumber, while he is the bearer of the "your pipes need to be replaced", his idea to fix it somehow involves putting in granite countertops, new carpet, hardwood floors, a new roof, a pool, and a friggen bird house AND fix your neighbors house too. But don't worry, he's not charging you, he'll bill "the rich guy" down the street.

                And the really sad/ironic thing is it's his company that caused the pipe damage in the first place.
                I agree with that except I place equal blame on the other company. It still doesn't change the fact that the pipes need to be fixed. And hey, at least the granite counter tops are not going to be buried in the desert of the middle east this time. THAT money sure would be useful right about now...
                A good carpenter makes few mistakes, a great carpenter can fix his own.

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                • #9
                  Re: Taxes and death....

                  I live an hour from the Mexican Border. When I go out I see my neighbors car
                  It is backed into the driveway because it has a Mexican license plate. They don't live in Mexico they live across the street from me they work here they drive here 99% of their lives is here. They don't want to pay taxes they don't want to support roads bridges etc... They take advantage of the system they don't pay in but they take.
                  (I have reported them twice and nothing happens except graffiti on my work truck.)

                  It ticks me off when plumbers (we have had lots of them) have been over before and didn't do anything about the impending problems. It ticks me off more when you tell me I have to pay more taxes to make up my neighbors share. I have to pay more to pay for birth control and abortions in this country and other countries.
                  Tax increases are not restricted to rich people either any one who smokes got a huge tax increase and most of those folk are not in the $250K club.

                  If you want to increase taxes first you need to stop spending.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Taxes and death....

                    Figuring out how our economy got so bad is a terribly complicated problem and anyone who thinks they can resolve it has a lot to prove. I get upset with how some folks try to simplify the reason as the mortgage crisis when common sense leads me to believe it was years in the making, and composed of many elements. I laugh now when folks use words like "Free Trade" and "Open Markets" to describe our economic interaction with the rest of the world. Let's face facts, with a trillion dollar trade deficit those words are meaningless. Our water bucket is full of holes, pouring our life blood out of our economy and into the third world and communist china. We can bleed the rich dry, and still not fix a darn thing. In my opinion we need to make what we consume and take other measures to keep American dollars in the American economy.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Taxes and death....

                      Originally posted by EasyEman View Post
                      I live an hour from the Mexican Border. When I go out I see my neighbors car
                      It is backed into the driveway because it has a Mexican license plate. They don't live in Mexico they live across the street from me they work here they drive here 99% of their lives is here. They don't want to pay taxes they don't want to support roads bridges etc... They take advantage of the system they don't pay in but they take.
                      (I have reported them twice and nothing happens except graffiti on my work truck.)

                      It ticks me off when plumbers (we have had lots of them) have been over before and didn't do anything about the impending problems. It ticks me off more when you tell me I have to pay more taxes to make up my neighbors share. I have to pay more to pay for birth control and abortions in this country and other countries.
                      Tax increases are not restricted to rich people either any one who smokes got a huge tax increase and most of those folk are not in the $250K club.

                      If you want to increase taxes first you need to stop spending.

                      I agree, but as was stated over and over, when the anger only rises toward the Dems and a lot of nodding and excuses are made for the Reps it looks like bull. Where was the anger at the biggest increase in government EVER under Bush? Nowhere. Where was the anger at a incredibly wasteful and war with no accountability on contracting and spending? The corruption was right there on CSPAN. *Crickets*. Obama is going with the flow like every other piece of garbage before him. But he is no worse than those before him any more than being no better! He is the SAME.

                      Now, lets get mad together and stop the BS. Otherwise lets keep doing what we always do and watch it happen time after time again. I am much angrier at AIG than I am at your neighbor. I am much more infuriated at the billions that disappeared overseas than the millions for mouse research. I don't like any of it but get real.
                      A good carpenter makes few mistakes, a great carpenter can fix his own.

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