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  • #16
    Re: Congressman Still Responding

    Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
    J.C. I watched that particular interview when it originally aired. On the face of it, it does appear that there is a massive health care problem in this country and that the insurance companies are doing their best to stick it to the masses so to speak. But you have to look at the forest as a whole, not just a few trees here and there. First off, the insurance companies are just that, companies. Their primary purpose is not to keep you healthy it is to make a profit. No profit, no company. No company, no insurance. Always remember that.
    There is the inherent problem in the current system. You cannot continue to have profit involved in healthcare. If you do it will reach an inevitable point of the wealthy having healthcare and others having none. Almost there now. And people get confused that insurance companies provide healthcare. They do not. There is not one medical school that I'm aware of where an insurance company owns or teaches. They are nothing more than a paid facilitator in the middle taking part, and an ever increasing part.

    The way to change how they do business is to stop doing business with them unless they offer and provide the services that you pay them for
    .

    I'd like for this to be true. But as Mr. Potter states in the video all companies are doing the similar things. Then, the true healthcare provider is in a system where they require insurance.

    Do you really believe, deep in your heart that the United States Government. A government that just a few years ago, bankrupted their own private bank by writing bad checks ( a scandal that has never been completely investigated to this date by the way) a government that bankrupted it's own private cafeteria is capable of administering national health care? Every single project the government has had it's hand in has been an utter disaster for the past 100 years. Do you really trust these guys? Would you trust any of them with your children's future? Because guess what? The stimulus package and bail out package and cash for klunkers and all the other spending programs of the past two years have already settled your children's future. They will be saddled with crushing debt and run away inflation. Do you really believer anything, either party is telling you? Will you mortgage your childrens future. My friend, you have been lied to, right in your face. You have been manipulated like a puppett on a string.

    No surprises. I find the government to operate in many ways just as you say. I also find that the current healthcare system also operates like the government.

    I've always been pro-capitalist and less government in the majority but this interview made me rethink things about this subject. Seems those with something to lose don't want healthcare reform and those with something to gain do. Same as it's always supposed to be in a democracy.

    I beg you, get a copy of Common Sense. Read it, and then give it to a friend. If you think it's all propaganda and BS then by all means rant back.
    I will try to get a copy and read it.

    J.C.

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    • #17
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      "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring
      one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own
      pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the
      mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good
      government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

      Thomas Jefferson, from his 1801 Inaugural Address
      "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
      John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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      • #18
        Re: Congressman Still Responding

        Originally posted by Bob D. View Post
        "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring
        one
        another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own
        pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the
        mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good
        government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."

        Thomas Jefferson, from his 1801 Inaugural Address
        I say the insurance industry and its current behavior can be considered "men injuring one another".

        And Thomas Jefferson & the founding fathers with all of there foresight don't have much in applicable quotes for todays healthcare system.

        J.C.

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        • #19
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          Thomas Jefferson & the founding fathers with all of there foresight don't have much in applicable quotes for todays healthcare system.
          Very true. I don't think they could envision the day when one man
          would take such advantage over another over their health.

          They had nothing even remotely close to to relate to.
          "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
          John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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          • #20
            Re: Congressman Still Responding

            Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
            I seriously am curious as to others opinions about this interview.

            Frankie, NH, Utah, others?

            Thanks.

            J.C.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI
            J.C., I got through more than half the video. I got the message and understood where this man had come from and his "born again" status. Where is the truth I ask? Is national healthcare fantastic as he and the people in the clip said, or do people who are sick have to wait for life saving tests and procedures? Someone either has not seen the dark side or is blatantly lying, which is it? I understand insurance companies making a profit and being involved in Auto insurance for example. Those of us who drive maintain a policy which ensures that we, or others we may harm are compensated. I don't like the idea of health insurance companies, I see them as a costly middleman. I don't want insurance companies involved in healthcare and I don't want the government to take it over either. So there I am, confused as usual. I want good medical care and I don't want my coverage to worsen. I don't want my benefits taxed and I don't want to pay for others. Sorry to jump around but this is a very complicated issue. Why can't our government supplement the uninsured so they can get coverage for the time being while we work to reduce unemployment which is contributing to ever growing uninsured Americans? I appreciate the Video clip although it is hardly shocking to know insurance companies work to reduce payouts and squash bad publicity. I maintain as important as the health care issue is, if we don't put our full efforts towards reversing job loss and our dependancy on communist china and the rest of the world for what we consume, much worse days lie ahead for ALL Americans. Our government can't bailout or stimulate enough to make up for what's wrong with our country. You can't "Buy American" if it's not made here! So called "Free Trade" and "Open Markets" are illusions, falsehoods which continue to do more damage than the mortgage scandal and wallstreet crooks combined. Prioritze, think for yourself and decide what is the most important thing that needs to be fixed right now?
            We may not agree and that's okay, just think for yourself. Personally I believe the answer is new jobs, not saving jobs with government money. Productive jobs that employ Americans to make consumer goods, and slow the loss of our wealth. If some of these jobs can reduce our dependency on fossil fuels both domestic and foreign all the better. I'm still hearing "Talk" from washington, the time for talk is long past, it is time for action. Jobless figures, projections, good days on the stock market do not raise my confidence or change my mind about what I think needs to be done. Let's not forget we still are fighting a war, brave men and women are dying and coming home disabled and in need of jobs and a future. What are we waiting for? Why are we dragging our feet with health care right now?

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            • #21
              Re: Congressman Still Responding

              Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
              I say the insurance industry and its current behavior can be considered "men injuring one another".

              And Thomas Jefferson & the founding fathers with all of there foresight don't have much in applicable quotes for todays healthcare system.

              J.C.
              While they did not mention a health care system specifically, they did foresee what's going on today, where insurance companies are only a part of the fearsome picture the Founding Fathers were warning against:

              "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

              I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the Bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe.. corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed. Abraham Lincoln
              In order to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.

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              • #22
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                I would trust my government with health insurance more than a private corporation that would rather let me suffer or die than see a profit loss.

                One of the most important things I learned from Katrina is that you can go to sleep a have and wake up a have not. It literally happened that way.

                Thankfully the government was there to help. Many complain about FEMA (with good reason) but they did right by my family.

                I had never been on public assistance but when I needed it I accepted it. And I would not complain about any other American doing the same.

                We're all just a job loss or private insurance denial away from being a have not.

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                • #23
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                  I don't think we would be having this debate if our government did not force companies to provide health care. I believe a company with over 50 employeys has to provide health care? Why? That just seems absurd to me. I remember working at the factory and people talking about bringing there kids to the dr. and it being close to free! It was not free. A study was just done that if women had to pay a small out of pocket cost for a mammogram as low as I believe $15.00. They would refuse the exam!!! It should not be free. My girl friend can't afford insurance, but she can afford a cell phone and internet hook up. I don't believe you and I need to pay for her health care. I'm just amazed at how little people want to do for themselves. I had socialized medicine in the military. It was great going to the doctor for free. It wasn't so great having your life style intruded on by big brother because they paid for your health care. Forced to wear orange vests on a motorcycle off base. We were not aloud to play foot ball on 2 bases I was on. That was just the stuff I noticed beinging young and stupid I'm sure there was much more. It may work good in some countries but our politicians will always be way to power hungry and they will love controling us through health care. They will LOVE it Democrat and Republican alike . Give American politicians this power and we will be so sorry.

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                  • #24
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                    You forgot about giving small business a whopping short term tax write off to buy gas guzzlers, particularly Hummers. That was a sure fire way to boost the auto industry.

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                    • #25
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                      (Quote);I would trust my government with health insurance more than a private corporation that would rather let me suffer or die than see a profit loss.

                      Even if the government controls the system, do you thing the doctors, nurses, technicians, hospitals etc are all going to work for less or at a loss? Why should they? Last I knew this was still a republic, not a dictatorship. When you force people to work for less pay, less benefits what you get is poor service from less competent people. I have no doubt at all that under national health care I would be dead now. Last year I had 7 bypasses, done by the best heart surgeon on the East coast. (same Dr. did David Letterman's bypasses) in the end the total bill was about a million two hundred thousand. I paid.... drum roll............. $ 657.00, better yet I'm alive and feeling better than I have in twenty years. I get the best because I planned my life. When I graduated high school I went to college. I owned my business for 35 years and paid into my health insurance and retirement. I played by the rules and have reaped the benefits. What the government wants is for guys like me that played fair and worked hard for it, to take our hard earned cash and give it to idiots that didn't give a crap about their education, never learned any high end marketable skills, spent their way into poverty instead of saving and being responsible. Is that really the American way, or is that the communist socialist way? Take from the have's and give to the deadbeats.

                      This will make me real popular but here goes anyway. The taxpayers get to bail out New Orleans because the local government down there spent all the previous government money on things (graft and corruption) other than what it was intended for which was re-building and shoring up the levy's that they knew were bad for the past 20 years. But all the fine residents of the city were too involved in their own lives and such to pay attention to what the crooks running their city were doing. To make matters worse, they vote the same GD crook back into office knowing full well he is a corrupt bastard. And then to top it all off they all manage to blame the Bush administration for their own damn folly.

                      OH but wait, there's more. They STILL have not done anything to shore up the levy's. Imagine that?
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                      • #26
                        Re: Congressman Still Responding

                        Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                        (Quote);I would trust my government with health insurance more than a private corporation that would rather let me suffer or die than see a profit loss.

                        Even if the government controls the system, do you thing the doctors, nurses, technicians, hospitals etc are all going to work for less or at a loss? Why should they? Last I knew this was still a republic, not a dictatorship. When you force people to work for less pay, less benefits what you get is poor service from less competent people. I have no doubt at all that under national health care I would be dead now. Last year I had 7 bypasses, done by the best heart surgeon on the East coast. (same Dr. did David Letterman's bypasses) in the end the total bill was about a million two hundred thousand. I paid.... drum roll............. $ 657.00, better yet I'm alive and feeling better than I have in twenty years. I get the best because I planned my life. When I graduated high school I went to college. I owned my business for 35 years and paid into my health insurance and retirement. I played by the rules and have reaped the benefits. What the government wants is for guys like me that played fair and worked hard for it, to take our hard earned cash and give it to idiots that didn't give a crap about their education, never learned any high end marketable skills, spent their way into poverty instead of saving and being responsible. Is that really the American way, or is that the communist socialist way? Take from the have's and give to the deadbeats.

                        This will make me real popular but here goes anyway. The taxpayers get to bail out New Orleans because the local government down there spent all the previous government money on things (graft and corruption) other than what it was intended for which was re-building and shoring up the levy's that they knew were bad for the past 20 years. But all the fine residents of the city were too involved in their own lives and such to pay attention to what the crooks running their city were doing. To make matters worse, they vote the same GD crook back into office knowing full well he is a corrupt bastard. And then to top it all off they all manage to blame the Bush administration for their own damn folly.

                        OH but wait, there's more. They STILL have not done anything to shore up the levy's. Imagine that?
                        The folks in New Orleans have been asleep at the wheel just as the rest of America has with broader issues. Do we become complacent, yes! Do we behave irresponsibly by building million dollar homes on the side of dirt hills? Yes! You are not the only person to have played by "The Rules", there are plenty of necessary jobs that do not demand a college education, does that make the folks who work them diligently bums unworthy of a fair shake from the system? There is very little justice in my opinion, not for those who are well educated and lead good lives, not for those who work hard no matter what the job entails. America is what it has become over time and due to apathy and greed and misuse of our legal system. Seven million plus jobs should not have gone to the third world, the trade deficit should never have been allowed to get so out of hand, the borders should not have remained unenforced as were our immigration laws, the white collar crimminals on wallstreet should not have had free reign to rape investors, the noble idea of spreading American Freedom through military action should not have lasted so long if we could not pay for it, just look at our once thriving and beautiful America! We are a dead society, living an illusion of prosperity. When you watch the stock market channel and see the numbers rising, and listen to the so called experts predicting the end of the recession, ask yourself "How"?, By what magical force will things change? If you can't explain how we are going to create seven or more million new jobs that are in no way paid for by our government(taxpayers), then I submit the experts and legislators are clueless.

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                        • #27
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                          A few facts courtsy of the Government Accounting Office.

                          Obama's 09 budget projected deficit $ 1,700,000,000,000
                          or $ 4.657 billion a day
                          or $ 53,906.00 per sec.

                          Interest stands at 26 billion per month or around 300 billion a year.

                          Folks, there is not physically that much money of every currency available in the entire world. It does not exist. The number is staggering. In order to service that debt the government(s) will simply print more currency, which will then hyper inflate the value of the dollar. Our children and our childrens children will be working 100 hour weeks to pay the interest alone on this staggering debt. And still we want more. Father government needs to pay our insurance, guarantee our jobs, provide new automobiles and flat screen TV's. Everybody "deserves" these things. They don't need to work hard for them as long as Uncle Sam will provide. The morons in the press and Obama's administration are falling all over themselves because the jobless rate did not increase as much as they though it would. Understand that now. The unemployment rate still went up, just not as much. So to them this is a sign that the economy is improving. Will you be lulled or better yet suckered yet again to believing voodo economics. We all know damn well nothing is improving. Hey Frankie, ask your congressman what happened to the 650 million that was appropriated to build that wall along the Texas boarder? Though I suppose in the scheme of things, 650 mil is a grain of sand in the desert.
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                          • #28
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                            "Our children's children will be working 100 hour workweeks", you're being kind of optimistic aren't you? First of all we'll be lucky if our children have children, much less jobs! Someone, please explain to me how our economy is going to recover.

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                            • #29
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                              Ok, I'm an optimist, I like to think there is a little ray of sunshine somewhere

                              And what will we all do when China (who is currently holding and servicing our debt) decides that they want "different" trade agreements or defense concessions or hell for the money they are lending, just about anything they can think of ? Where will the might of our nation be then? How will we explain to the rest of the world (very important to Democrats) that we are planning of stiffing China. I don't think most folks consider the mess our government has gotten us into. Worse yet, most don't care and still think that somehow the magic fairy will wave a wand and make everything alright. Most will believe the lies that spew forth from the White house and their shills ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, The NY Times and the list goes on.... Lies all Lies. A nation seduced by a man with a nice smile.
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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                                Ok, I'm an optimist, I like to think there is a little ray of sunshine somewhere

                                And what will we all do when China (who is currently holding and servicing our debt) decides that they want "different" trade agreements or defense concessions or hell for the money they are lending, just about anything they can think of ? Where will the might of our nation be then? How will we explain to the rest of the world (very important to Democrats) that we are planning of stiffing China. I don't think most folks consider the mess our government has gotten us into. Worse yet, most don't care and still think that somehow the magic fairy will wave a wand and make everything alright. Most will believe the lies that spew forth from the White house and their shills ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, The NY Times and the list goes on.... Lies all Lies. A nation seduced by a man with a nice smile.
                                I'll grant you that President Obama is a politician, but you could have put Lincoln in there and still not changed things for the better! You seriously think John McCain or Sarah Palin would be doing better? I don't. Accept that china will acquire the USA and we will no longer be running up credit cards or having more than one child families. China will teach us how to survive in the global economy. We won't need Unions, or media, or any of our rights or freedoms. That's our future.

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