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  • #16
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    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
    Charles, you don't give "extra" money to seniors because they are nice poeple, that would be stupid and wasteful. You might want to allot a little bit more money to seniors so they do not suffer at their advanced ages by going without food, medication, some basic comforts. I totally agree that "No" has got to become more of our vocabulary, but why not apply that word towards the CEO's who take multi million dollar draws from their companies that have received millions in bailout funds? How about saying no to the illegal aliens who use our hospitals, schools and other services that we pay for while seniors go without? Lastly, I suggest our structural problems be resolved by addressing the causes of our present situation trade deficit over a trillion, non-taxpaying illegals, loss of millions of manufacturing jobs, irresponsible lending, a system that extends credit with almost no oversight. I would like to pick and choose where the money from my pocket goes as well, however making a choice between big business millionaires, illegals and our own American senior citizens is a no brainer. Just my opinion. I would remind you that unless we start euthanizing seniors, they are the largest growing sector of our population and if you are lucky someday you will join their ranks.
    This is exactly why we need to say no. In 2006 for every 3.3 people paying into social security there is 1 person taking out. Which means to give them the 5.8% raise, those three workers need a 1.9% pay cut. If they were all getting raises anyway you could say it balances out, but they are not.

    Social security doesn't rise with inflation it rises with wages. I know I'll make less money this year than last. I know my FIL took a 20% pay cut in his manufacturing job, and my father took a 30% pay cut after losing his IT job and finding another.

    I've got bad investments too, I'm probably $100k in the hole on my house. Not that the value went down $100k, and I lost fictitious money; but that I owe a pile more money than it is worth so I couldn't sell it if I wanted to. I don't want the government to help me out of it, I just need to pay it down.

    You should know that I have no problem saying no to illegals, corporate bailouts, and everyone else too. But in 2006 there were 48,000,000 social security beneficiaries, which means giving what to each individual is a little adds up to a lot.

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    • #17
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      Charles, our government will not say no to the illegals, heck they refuse to even secure our borders. The bailouts and that wasteful clunker for cash program was rammed down our throats without a problem, so we are left with the oldest and weakest among us, the senior citizens to get denied! They need more money for medicine and food, so if you have a wish list for whom to say NO, please put them last. When you are figuring stastics having to do with social security, please include all the funds stolen to pay for other government programs and all the non seniors who collect disability and other benefits which have nothing to do with the original intentions of the program.

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      • #18
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        Friday 9/21 @ just after 5:00 PM, the White House announces the original deficit figures are off by a couple trillion. TRILLION No, big deal, what's a trillion dollars?

        So for all of you that voted for a "Change we can believe in"
        Who will be the first to say Woooops, sorry Sorry I got swept away in the tide of a media love fest. Sorry I didn't take the time to look into this guys past personal and professional record. Sorry I did not notice that he was hanging around with left wing socialists. Sorry I did not notice all the Czars that he has surrounded himself with, you know, all those experts that are not elected by us but we pay for their services. Change you can believe in? What will you tell your sons and daughters and your grandchildren when they ask "why did you do this to us"? Who will be the first to stand up and admit that Chris Matthews, Chris Wallace, Keith Olberman, Racheal Maddow are all PAID indirectly by the DNC because Obama OWES them for his election. No, you won't admit your culpability because it's just too damn embarassing. I'll hold my "I told you so's" because you already know you were wrong.
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        • #19
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          Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
          Friday 9/21 @ just after 5:00 PM, the White House announces the original deficit figures are off by a couple trillion. TRILLION No, big deal, what's a trillion dollars?

          So for all of you that voted for a "Change we can believe in"
          Who will be the first to say Woooops, sorry Sorry I got swept away in the tide of a media love fest. Sorry I didn't take the time to look into this guys past personal and professional record. Sorry I did not notice that he was hanging around with left wing socialists. Sorry I did not notice all the Czars that he has surrounded himself with, you know, all those experts that are not elected by us but we pay for their services. Change you can believe in? What will you tell your sons and daughters and your grandchildren when they ask "why did you do this to us"? Who will be the first to stand up and admit that Chris Matthews, Chris Wallace, Keith Olberman, Racheal Maddow are all PAID indirectly by the DNC because Obama OWES them for his election. No, you won't admit your culpability because it's just too damn embarassing. I'll hold my "I told you so's" because you already know you were wrong.
          No need to hold back on my account. I'll proudly stand up and say I voted for change because what we had was unacceptable, of course what we got so far has been no better. We are still fighting a war, still have a massive trade deficit, bailouts, useless stimulus, open borders, outstanding loans to pay communist china, massive unemployment, failed healthcare, social security.... We would be no better under the republicans because both parties have failed us, stand up and admit that as well! President Obama did a lot of talking but so far has done nothing to turn the economy around. The clock is ticking and time is wasted on health care reform instead of job creation. If the best you can hope for is more of what the republicans gave us, I pity you and our country. There has got to be a better alternative that republicans and democrats who lie to get elected and once in ignore the masses and push their own agenda.

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          • #20
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            Around and around and around we go, where we stop, nobody knows. There is scant comfort in the knowledge that all that is now, was in the past. We never learn. no profit from the mistakes of the past so we are condemned to repeat them with dire consequence. There was a time when I thought that strict term limits were not needed because we could always vote the morons out any time we wanted. Now, I'm not so sure. With re-districting and organizations like ACORN and such, it is near to impossible to get the hacks out of office. The popular press is reporting an economy on the rise. What they base that on, only they know. Do they think that by saying it is, it will be? More lies. It's all lies. I trust no one, Republican or Democrat. I know of no one from any party who's hands I would place my childrens future in. And this setiment is what the press totally misses. They see us as malcontents and right wing radicals. What we really are is pissed off and tired of the lies.

            Cindy Sheehan: When this poor woman lost her son in the Irac war whe was (and still is) beside herself with grief. She took her protest to the White House and then to George Bush's home in Texas. The press followed her wherever she went and hung on her every word. Cindy was the poster girl for all the anti war crowd, the darling of the Democrats and the liberal media. So now she's in Martha's Vinyard protesting the same war, now presided over by the Democrats and Mr. Obama. So where are the press and what are they saying? Not much, next to no coverage from anyone, and a comment that ran something like, "enough already from her" Imagine that. Would the Republicans do the same thing. HELL YES.
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            • #21
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              Social security doesn't rise with inflation it rises with wages.
              I'm not sure that is accurate, the COLA is tied to the rise in the cost of goods (the CPI), it has nothing to do with wages other than a COLA is an adjustment to saleries or wages or entitlements such as SS Retirement Benefits.
              How is a COLA calculated?
              The Social Security Act specifies a formula for determining each COLA. In general, a COLA is equal to the percentage increase in the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers (CPI-W) from the third quarter of one year to the third quarter of the next. If there is no increase, there is no COLA.
              Since the COL went DOWN this year, supposedly due to lower fuel prices among other things, that is why there is no increase for those on SS. But the cost of medical care and drugs is not as big a part of the COLA as it should be, and the price of those goods and services have risen over the past year and will continue to rise, and that is what will hurt those on SS now and over the next two years.

              http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/COLA/colaseries.html

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_living
              (includes links to some COL calculators)
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              John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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              • #22
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                I distinctly remember one of the proposed SSA reforms to extend the life of the program was changing it from being indexed by wages to inflation (which grows at a smaller rate). These references say the same thing.

                http://www.urban.org/retirement_poli...fitformula.cfm

                http://www.afsa.org/retiree/SocialSecurityReform.cfm
                Inflation Adjustment In determining the basic Social Security benefit (the primary insurance amount or PIA), the SSA applies a complex formula to a worker's average indexed monthly earnings. Earnings are adjusted over a period of 35 years to reflect standards of living near the time of the worker's retirement. And a progressive formula is designed to ensure that benefits replace a larger proportion of retirement earnings for people with low earnings than those with higher earnings. In addition, the SSA adjusts benefits at the end of each year by the amount of increase in the consumer price index (CPI).

                The administration has indicated it intends to change the formula for calculating first-year Social Security benefits. These benefits would be calculated using inflation rates instead of wage increases over the worker's lifetime. Since wages rise considerably faster then inflation, the new formula would reduce the growth of benefits, slowly at first and more quickly by the middle of the century and, by some estimates, eliminate the Social Security shortfalll over the century. Average Social Security benefits now equal about 42% of earnings; under the new formula the benefits would fall to about 20% over time.

                Opponents claim the proposed formula will prevent elderly people from participating in the rise in the national standard of living, consigning them to an outdated second-class status in retirement. Of critical importance, they contend, it will not assure that the poorest recipients, those who depend primarily on Social Security for retirement income, will receive a sufficient level of benefits. AARP notes that the initial average Social Security benefit is $995.00, an amount which today must be supplemented in order to provide a decent standard of living. The issue is particularly critical for widows, unmarried women, and elderly women living in poverty.
                But the definition of the CPI-W does sound like inflation. I wonder if there is some sort of hybrid based on the middle paragraph: your initial benefit takes wage growth into effect when using the 35-years of earnings, but the subsequent increases are only inflation.

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                  Friday 9/21 @ just after 5:00 PM, the White House announces the original deficit figures are off by a couple trillion. TRILLION No, big deal, what's a trillion dollars?

                  So for all of you that voted for a "Change we can believe in"
                  Who will be the first to say Woooops, sorry Sorry I got swept away in the tide of a media love fest. Sorry I didn't take the time to look into this guys past personal and professional record. Sorry I did not notice that he was hanging around with left wing socialists. Sorry I did not notice all the Czars that he has surrounded himself with, you know, all those experts that are not elected by us but we pay for their services. Change you can believe in? What will you tell your sons and daughters and your grandchildren when they ask "why did you do this to us"? Who will be the first to stand up and admit that Chris Matthews, Chris Wallace, Keith Olberman, Racheal Maddow are all PAID indirectly by the DNC because Obama OWES them for his election. No, you won't admit your culpability because it's just too damn embarassing. I'll hold my "I told you so's" because you already know you were wrong.
                  yes. you are right. i actually have started cutting myself i feel such shame. especially when i could have had ralph nader, john mccain and sarah pallin. the shame i feel is deepened by the continuing wars in iraq and afghanistan and the fact that obama has pulled the plug on two of john kennedy's siblings in the last month.

                  this is news about those rachel and all. i just actually tune into Fox and read the wsj and never knew that journalists were not honest seekers of the truth. this is breaking my heart. my shame is deeper and deeper.

                  i think i will get my gun and go to a presidential protest and excericse a variety of my rights NOW. heck, i have the bill of rights in my catalog. i think i will go read them and further deepen my shame as the illegal immigrant harvard educated chicago politician goes on vaction while ossama lurks.
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                  • #24
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                    Charles.

                    If you attended public schools, public university, drove on public roads, played in public parks, used a public library, were defended by the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force or Coast Guard, have a boat and are protected by the Coast Guard while using it, have been treated by a physician or dentist that received part of their education at public expense, who do you think paid for all of that? The taxpayers of the past who are now retired.

                    Although they are retired, most of them still pay taxes to support you and your children by way of their taxes paying for all of the above and much more. They are subject to the same rising costs for food, shelter etc.

                    Regardless of how you slice it, we are all in this together and we must not allow ourselves to be split into factions.

                    Rather than single out the elderly (after all it is we who are facing the possibility of "Death Panels") we should ALL be focusing our attention on demanding that the loopholes that caused the current crisis be closed. We should be telling our elected representatives at the Federal, State and local level that lobbyists are a very small voting block and no matter how much campaign money they get from lobbies and PAC's WE, THE VOTERS DECIDE WHO GOES AND WHO STAYS.

                    If you want good jobs back, demand them from your representatives. Hound them and demand that their performance match their rhetoric. If they had "Town Meetings" about jobs and cleaning up the financial mess that were as well attended as the ones on health care and the participants put them on notice that the voters would be replacing them, they would come around and represent us, the taxpayers and voters.

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                    • #25
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                      Originally posted by billmoy View Post
                      Charles.

                      If you attended public schools, public university, drove on public roads, played in public parks, used a public library, were defended by the Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force or Coast Guard, have a boat and are protected by the Coast Guard while using it, have been treated by a physician or dentist that received part of their education at public expense, who do you think paid for all of that? The taxpayers of the past who are now retired.

                      Although they are retired, most of them still pay taxes to support you and your children by way of their taxes paying for all of the above and much more. They are subject to the same rising costs for food, shelter etc.

                      Regardless of how you slice it, we are all in this together and we must not allow ourselves to be split into factions.

                      Rather than single out the elderly (after all it is we who are facing the possibility of "Death Panels") we should ALL be focusing our attention on demanding that the loopholes that caused the current crisis be closed. We should be telling our elected representatives at the Federal, State and local level that lobbyists are a very small voting block and no matter how much campaign money they get from lobbies and PAC's WE, THE VOTERS DECIDE WHO GOES AND WHO STAYS.

                      If you want good jobs back, demand them from your representatives. Hound them and demand that their performance match their rhetoric. If they had "Town Meetings" about jobs and cleaning up the financial mess that were as well attended as the ones on health care and the participants put them on notice that the voters would be replacing them, they would come around and represent us, the taxpayers and voters.
                      Great post, thank you. Sad how easy it is for some to dismiss the elderly, their contributions and needs. I think we need to champion our seniors instead of clumping them in with the "takers". I hope the critics live long healthy lives and join the ranks of those they so readily insult. How true the saying, "The best laid plans of mice and men".

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                        Great post, thank you. Sad how easy it is for some to dismiss the elderly, their contributions and needs. I think we need to champion our seniors instead of clumping them in with the "takers". I hope the critics live long healthy lives and join the ranks of those they so readily insult. How true the saying, "The best laid plans of mice and men".
                        THANKS. great post. I AM elderly. i face a death panel every day. it is called the #2 train to brooklyn on the IRT.
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