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    my wife was in the building an hour before it fell. my son was down the block. i about 3/4 of a mile away.

    the dust was everywhere.

    it burnt for a long time and when it rained the smell was intense.

    every time a siren goes down varick street i know, at least for now, it is not the wtc being attacked again since it happened in 1992 as well.

    i thought i would share. i am also full of forgiveness for any that cause harm and full of compassion for those who suffer.
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    Re: 09-11-09

    Forgiveness, my irish arse , sucker !
    I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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    • #3
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      Foregiveness is a personal issue. Someone insults me and makes an effort to make it right, I'll foregive them. Someone cause the deaths of thousands of people, shatters the lives of their loved ones, for me there is no foregiving, no making it right. I've heard holding onto hate is like a poison that eats you up, I have not had that problem. I can't begin to imagine the loss all those families had to endure! Never forget, never foregive, never again!

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      • #4
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        yes, i understand and expected that people still remember and have not forgiven. they almost got my son and wife. i kew a number of people who died. i get it.

        but think of this if you will. there are people in the usa who are so full of the love of life that even when a loved one is killed they forgive. in Amish country a man killed 9 children i think. the Amish tore down the building and forgave the man who did it. when tim mcveigh was put to death there were mothers and fathers of vcitims who prayed he be spared. yes, rare, i know, but possible.

        my message to all people, even the evil, is forgiveness and compassion. i am 59 years old and it took me to 57 to be able to let go and forgive.

        as far as this simple man can see the only way that we will ever be able to stop the killing is to just stop. no more.

        it requires that we forget eons of tribal hatred. difficult but, after all, we have ridgid tools to build a future where hatred is not even a memory anymore.

        i am an american.

        i am optimistic.

        i refuse to hate.
        Last edited by dgronim; 09-10-2009, 06:37 AM. Reason: added
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        • #5
          Re: 09-11-09

          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
          never again!
          never again requires forgetting and forgiving or it will happen over and over again.
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          • #6
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            Originally posted by dgronim View Post
            never again requires forgetting and forgiving or it will happen over and over again.
            You are entitled to your perspective on this and other issues, however we do not share the same mindset. I believe the process of healing for some folks such as yourself requires foregiveness but I do not have that need. I think we must remember the horror, tragedy, loss and purpose of the determined people who perpertrated 9/11. There will be no peace, no change of mindset by these extremists as a result of our foregiveness, our olive branch to these people intent on our destruction. They want to crush our freedoms and our religious beliefs. The must be stopped in order for others to experience life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Some things are worth fighting for, and unfortunately force and might is the only language some people understand. In my daily life I never attempt to resolve a problem with violence unless respect and reason fail and I have no other way out of the situation. I am very happy your loved ones were spared on 9/11, I am very sad and mad for all those who were murdered.

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            • #7
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              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
              You are entitled to your perspective on this and other issues, however we do not share the same mindset. I believe the process of healing for some folks such as yourself requires foregiveness but I do not have that need. I think we must remember the horror, tragedy, loss and purpose of the determined people who perpertrated 9/11. There will be no peace, no change of mindset by these extremists as a result of our foregiveness, our olive branch to these people intent on our destruction. They want to crush our freedoms and our religious beliefs. The must be stopped in order for others to experience life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Some things are worth fighting for, and unfortunately force and might is the only language some people understand. In my daily life I never attempt to resolve a problem with violence unless respect and reason fail and I have no other way out of the situation. I am very happy your loved ones were spared on 9/11, I am very sad and mad for all those who were murdered.
              it is the goal of the evil doer to ferment hatred and anger. i, for one, fear no evil. they cannot drag me down into their hole. impossible. i am strong and fearless and they will be long dead before they intimidate me.

              you are very correct about the religous issue. it is one of the core causes of what happened.

              the quandry for me is that the major religion in the usa teaches preaches and fervently believes in forgiveness. if they take that from us they have succeeded in taking down what is right and good.

              in brooklyn we have a word for them. but i think i am not allowed to say it here. two words actually.
              Last edited by dgronim; 09-10-2009, 08:18 AM.
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              • #8
                Re: 09-11-09

                Maybe just maybe I'll forgive but only after we have also been forgiven for our supposed transgressions and the violence from their side ceases. Every coin has two sides.
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                • #9
                  Re: 09-11-09

                  Originally posted by BadgerDave View Post
                  Maybe just maybe I'll forgive but only after we have also been forgiven for our supposed transgressions and the violence from their side ceases. Every coin has two sides.
                  correct. if there are still sides the violence will continue. this problem has plagued mankind since we became aware of ourselves.

                  i am not suggesting that this is a small problem that will be easy to fix but 5 years ago there were no ridgid seesnakes and now you can see behind walls!!!

                  fear no evil.
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