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  • #16
    Re: More "Change"

    Originally posted by Bob D. View Post
    IF he drew that with no help he did darn good. I know I could not draw a
    map of the USA as well proportioned as that w/o some practice.

    I wonder if the map was penciled in on that poster board and could not be
    seen by anyone unless you were right up close to it.
    No it is genuine ability. I read an article on it a while back. He can do it on demand. He was scolded on his renderings by a politician from Alaska because he used to not include Hawaii and Alaska. The excuse he gave was he taught himself the map as a child from a puzzle his parents gave. (They weren't states when the puzzle was made) I think he now includes both states.

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    • #17
      Re: More "Change"

      Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
      Still drinking the Kool Aid I see The republicans do not want THIS ONE SIDED DEEPLY FLAWED BILL TO PASS.
      If their concerns are genuine maybe they should make genuine arguments against it.

      Why did McCain need to lie in that video? Why do we have congressmen claiming the bill has death panels? Why do we have groups of Republican congressmen literally getting together in groups and praying against a health care bill passing? Couldn't they pray that a working bill comes out of this?

      I don't think I'm the one drinking kool aid here. Those that think the Republican are looking out for the countries welfare on this issue certainly are.

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      • #18
        Re: More "Change"

        Originally posted by rick1643 View Post
        I agree with Bob, I figured right away that he was tracing the map, its just too good to be free hand.
        I saw someone do this on an Etch-A-Sketch once

        I was blown away. If I hadn't seen it for myself I wouldn't have believed it either.

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        • #19
          Re: More "Change"

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0itIO...eature=popular

          This guy is starting to grow on me, like a mold of sorts.

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          • #20
            Re: More "Change"

            I've seen better behavior from three year olds in the grocery store than I have seen from the republicans in this congress and the party leaders.

            The town halls were well executed theater. Their tactics were well documented and their goal was to get on TV, since if something is on TV it must be real. Fortunately today's audience is a little more sophisticated than those that reacted with shot guns blasts to Orson Welles War of the World radio broadcast. We know shtick when we see it.

            Either the republicans have simply failed to articulate a reasoned, well stated vision of health insurance reform or they do not have one. I know they released a three page plan some time ago, but no specifics were ever offered. The republicans have a very robust means of getting their messages out to their base. The middle east has their madrases, here in America we have AM radio, Faux News and the Wall Street Journal. It is nice to see Citadel in Chapter 11. Hopefully they don't emerge.

            As for illegals and TORT reform, that is a useless argument. You want to get rid of illegals? Don't hire them. Tort reform? Malpractice accounts for less than 1% of insurance costs. Perhaps some would not have a problem with holding a doctor to account for shoddy practices, but I don't want some poorly trained, sloppy surgeon practicing on me.

            The dems have indeed been impressive in their inability to recognize they hold a majority in every branch. How quickly they have forgotten how the republican party treats the minority party. Perhaps some reminders are in order.

            Granted the democratic party is generally incompetent in terms of policy and politics. But the republican party simply can not be trusted at any cost. But both parties are essentially corporatist parties.
            Last edited by SpiffPeters; 12-21-2009, 07:18 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: More "Change"

              Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
              I've seen better behavior from three year olds in the grocery store than I have seen from the republicans in this congress and the party leaders.

              The town halls were well executed theater. Their tactics were well documented and their goal was to get on TV, since if something is on TV it must be real. Fortunately today's audience is a little more sophisticated than those that reacted with shot guns blasts to Orson Welles War of the World radio broadcast. We know shtick when we see it.

              Either the republicans have simply failed to articulate a reasoned, well stated vision of health insurance reform or they do not have one. I know they released a three page plan some time ago, but no specifics were ever offered. The republicans have a very robust means of getting their messages out to their base. The middle east has their madrases, here in America we have AM radio, Faux News and the Wall Street Journal. It is nice to see Citadel in Chapter 11. Hopefully they don't emerge.

              As for illegals and TORT reform, that is a useless argument. You want to get rid of illegals? Don't hire them. Tort reform? Malpractice accounts for less than 1% of insurance costs. Perhaps some would not have a problem with holding a doctor to account for shoddy practices, but I don't want some poorly trained, sloppy surgeon practicing on me.

              The dems have indeed been impressive in their inability to recognize they hold a majority in every branch. How quickly they have forgotten how the republican party treats the minority party. Perhaps some reminders are in order.

              Granted the democratic party is generally incompetent in terms of policy and politics. But the republican party simply can not be trusted at any cost. But both parties are essentially corporatist parties.
              Where does that leave the country and us? I voted for President Obama (sickens me to even say that these days) and I watch Fox News because I want to hear what they have to say and I'll make up my own mind. The democrats are a quick study, they used plenty of pork to bribe the passing of their health care plan and as usual we will pay for it. Sure the illegals would not be here if there was no one to hire them, but that does not mean the issue should be ignored or foregotten. I don't like what the republican administration was doing or not doing and I sent a message along with most Americans, I expect the same thing will happen when the republicans get our votes. Problem is we keep electing from two parties ,each with their own agenda neither of which is in ours or the countries best interest.

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              • #22
                Re: More "Change"

                Fox News is anything but news. They are little more than the RNC's propaganda distributor. It isn't like they have not been caught reading RNC talking point memos, verbatim, on air without attribution. If that passes as news reporting then we are in sad shape.

                Like I said, the republicans have a significant information infrastructure in place so that if they did have any credible thoughts on health insurance reform we would know about it.

                Instead, they've made the political calculus that obstructing the dems and Obama at every turn is their ticket back to power.

                I wish the repubs would have engaged the dems in an honest debate. Certainly they had good ideas and the more minds the better.

                Rather than engage in statesmenship, they chose to orchestrate the town halls and use the most inflammatory rhetoric imaginable. Honestly, how constructive were their intentions with their attack dog pundits screaming death panels, socialism and so forth? Never mind the obvious lies of these battle cries, but how do these words engage the public in a calm, reasoned manner?

                BTW, on October 10th, 2002 John McCain objected to a senators request for an additional 30 seconds. So either his memory is slipping or he is lying when he said he has never seen a senator object to another senators request for more time.

                Then again, this is yet another example of their inability to have an honest debate. They have to make up lies on the support their points.

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                • #23
                  Re: More "Change"

                  I think your assertation that FOX news is "anything but news" is a bit specious especially when you consider that ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and even CSPAN are squarely in the democrat, liberal pocket. Does FOX lean to the right? yes, but for the life of me I can not understand why, with all the media support the Democrats get (let's not forget The NY and LA times along with the Washington times and for that matter probably 90% of the news papers and magazines that are in love with Obama, you all get so pissed off over one TV station and two radio shows? Could it be that that one station and those two radio shows have twice the audience of all the other stations combined?
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                  • #24
                    Re: More "Change"

                    In my opinion there is no truly independant media, the "news" is spun to favor the left or right and somewhere in between lies the truth! I don't understand how anyone can defend either political party as acting in the best interest of the American people, they are both controlled by special interest.

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                    • #25
                      Re: More "Change"

                      Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                      I think your assertation that FOX news is "anything but news" is a bit specious especially when you consider that ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN and even CSPAN are squarely in the democrat, liberal pocket. Does FOX lean to the right? yes, but for the life of me I can not understand why, with all the media support the Democrats get (let's not forget The NY and LA times along with the Washington times and for that matter probably 90% of the news papers and magazines that are in love with Obama, you all get so pissed off over one TV station and two radio shows? Could it be that that one station and those two radio shows have twice the audience of all the other stations combined?
                      Some of the other news networks have a few left leaning shows but I don't see evidence that any news network is 'squarely in the Democrat or liberal pocket.' There is simply no comparison when it comes to Faux's activities vs to that of any other network.

                      If you have evidence of a network consistently reporting using Democratic talking points, lying in order to further Democratic causes or actively funding and participating in Democratic movements feel free to point them out. I can give multiple examples of FOX doing so for the Republican party.

                      FOX is not a news station they are an entertainment station selling a preconceived narrative.

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                      • #26
                        Re: More "Change"

                        I guess Fox News needs more unbiased reporters that can feel that "thrill run up my leg" when Obama speaks.
                        When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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                        • #27
                          Re: More "Change"

                          News reports on events. It doesn't promote said events.

                          "I guess Fox News needs more unbiased reporters that can feel that "thrill run up my leg" when Obama speaks."

                          I am suspicious of this "thrill up my leg remark". Could you provide the who, when and where this was said?

                          ABC, CBS, NBC are corporately owned and operated news medias. If they haven't been as scathing and inflammatory in their reporting of Obama and the democrats and (republicans for that matter) as FOX, perhaps it is because they practice at least some minimal standards of journalism. I agree that they often times pull their punches. But had they done their jobs more thoroughly and with more tenacity and persistence, perhaps we wouldn't have ended up losing thousands of Americans and trillions of dollars nation building in the middle of a desert on the other side of the planet.

                          As for two radio stations, I beg to differ. Virtually every AM radio station is inundated with right wing pundits. If find the particular brand of religion Mike Huckabee practices to be quite liberal given the distortions and lies that are his stock and trade.

                          MSNBC's tagline is "The Place for Politics". They put it right out there for everyone see, plain and simple. MSNBC gives three hours of their morning programming to a republican, Joe Scarborough. What are the odds of Fox handing over even a half hour to Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky or Dennis Kucinich?

                          The only folks that consider Fox News fair and balanced are the 22 percenters, as Kohn Dean calls them.

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                          • #28
                            Re: More "Change"

                            http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wi...l-going-my-leg
                            When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

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                            • #29
                              Re: More "Change"

                              Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
                              News reports on events. It doesn't promote said events.

                              "I guess Fox News needs more unbiased reporters that can feel that "thrill run up my leg" when Obama speaks."

                              I am suspicious of this "thrill up my leg remark". Could you provide the who, when and where this was said?

                              ABC, CBS, NBC are corporately owned and operated news medias. If they haven't been as scathing and inflammatory in their reporting of Obama and the democrats and (republicans for that matter) as FOX, perhaps it is because they practice at least some minimal standards of journalism. I agree that they often times pull their punches. But had they done their jobs more thoroughly and with more tenacity and persistence, perhaps we wouldn't have ended up losing thousands of Americans and trillions of dollars nation building in the middle of a desert on the other side of the planet.

                              As for two radio stations, I beg to differ. Virtually every AM radio station is inundated with right wing pundits. If find the particular brand of religion Mike Huckabee practices to be quite liberal given the distortions and lies that are his stock and trade.

                              MSNBC's tagline is "The Place for Politics". They put it right out there for everyone see, plain and simple. MSNBC gives three hours of their morning programming to a republican, Joe Scarborough. What are the odds of Fox handing over even a half hour to Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky or Dennis Kucinich?

                              The only folks that consider Fox News fair and balanced are the 22 percenters, as Kohn Dean calls them.
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no9fpKVXxCc
                              "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                              I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                              • #30
                                Re: More "Change"

                                Okay, if you want to compare the rhetoric of pundits, I'm ready.

                                Let's start comparing all the wonderful lies and rhetoric of Fox's pundits and attack dogs like Hannity, O'Rielly, Beck, Goldberg, Coulter, Malkin, Morris, Bennet, Rove.....

                                You see, MSNBC and their pundits make absolutely no claim to being a news channel. "MSNBC, The Place for Politics". Were as Fox News makes the claim of 'Fair and balanced" and "We report, you decide".

                                I've seen every pundit on MSNBC, including Scarborough, express very bold and very critical condemnation of Obama and the dems. I've yet to catch any of them outright lying through their teeth. And I have yet to see MSNBC label a well known democrat that is in trouble as a republican. Virtually every time a republican congressman gets in trouble Fox News places a capital D after their name. Curious, huh?

                                And the way the Fox News producers doctor up the video footage of the various RNC sanctioned meets to make it look like there are more people attending the event. They recently were caught doing this twice within a couple of weeks.

                                And never mind video of their 'reporter' and his producer at the teabagger event in DC coaching and whipping the group surrounding them into a feeding frenzy right before going to a live feed. Is that what passes for journalism?

                                Or the townhall disrupters? The ones that were given instructions to scream, shout, interrupt other citizens, do not allow anyone else with a different opinion to speak, basically create a scene so Fox News could take these orchestrated events and broadcast them to show how angry all American's are?

                                Fox and the RNC are not only in lock step, but there is virtually no separation between the two. One may disagree, but to do so reveals such a case of willful ignorance that I truly doubt one would be able to identify real news in the first place.

                                Fox News feeds the bias of their audience. They confirm their audiences bigotry with lies and innuendos to great effect. And the paid isn't bad either.
                                Last edited by SpiffPeters; 12-22-2009, 11:41 AM. Reason: editing

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