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  • Frankiarmz
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    Generous Countries

    Once again the call for international aid has gone out as Haiti starts to recover from a devistating earthquake. The USA takes a beating among the global community and usually receives little support in return for all our humanitarian efforts. I was wondering what other great countries, often praised as better than the USA, have stepped up with money, people, ships, and assorted supplies to help out? I know we are not the only country to send help, but how about some recognition?

  • NHMaster3015
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    It weren't that long ago that we had a moratorium on political threads.

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  • Frankiarmz
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    Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
    Sorry Franki, I'm not the rah rah rah kind of patriot. We have different ideas for sure. I've never stifled anyone from speaking their mind. Matter of fact, it seems to me that one guy in particular often resorts to derogatory or personal remarks which then gets the thread closed. And it ain't me doing that.
    Nothing to be sorry about, I'm not a rah rah kind of guy myself. I often have pointed out deficits and embarassments, but I do think there are times that warrant praise. That's probably one place we differ?I suggest if you are having a problem with one person crossing the line, don't engage if things get heated. Mark and Josh, keep an eye on things, that's why this forum is so unique. Very rarely has it broken down to profanity or threats, insults yes.

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  • SpiffPeters
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    Sorry Franki, I'm not the rah rah rah kind of patriot. We have different ideas for sure. I've never stifled anyone from speaking their mind. Matter of fact, it seems to me that one guy in particular often resorts to derogatory or personal remarks which then gets the thread closed. And it ain't me doing that.

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  • Frankiarmz
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    [QUOTE=SpiffPeters;274515]
    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post

    Who could these persons be?

    I don't think I would qualify as a Sean Hannity's Great American. But then again if Hannity's American is the standard by which we measure patriots, I indeed fall short.

    I, like most folks, am very unhappy with the state of our government. The only real difference between me and the tea baggers is that I'm willing to back date the outrage to around 1981, whereas the oil barrens that started up the astroturf group are unwilling or unable to look back past Jan 21, 2009.

    And no one has ever been able to provide a definition of teabagger. Curious.

    Franki- I do hope you heard president Obamas remarks he shared from his conversation with the president of Haiti. I believe he said something along the lines of "Tell the American people, that from the bottom of my heart, and my nations heart, thank you, thank you, thank you".
    I think Hannity is about as unAmerican as a person can be, he is against free speech unless it fits his definition. He is a hypocrite when he called for respect towards then President Bush, but hurls insults at President Obama. I have no problem with a person speaking their mind, it's a healthy thing for democracy, but I reserve the right to disagree. I also think once in a while to break the boredom of finding fault with America, it would be refreshing if the "haters" said something nice. All that's just my opinion, I am not in charge of a dam thing except my thoughts. I also don't like when folks denounce the likes of a hannity, and then try to gag opossing views. The forum is open, we should be able to disagree. I will not comment on President Obama or politics, but I will talk about my country and things like the economy and other topics of national interest. We share a dissatisfaction with the government, mine predates yours.

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  • SpiffPeters
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    [QUOTE=Frankiarmz;274459]
    Originally posted by AFM View Post

    I have concluded that there are some folks who post here, that do seem to hate the USA, they are extremely critical of our history, politics and never say anything nice.
    Who could these persons be?

    I don't think I would qualify as a Sean Hannity's Great American. But then again if Hannity's American is the standard by which we measure patriots, I indeed fall short.

    I, like most folks, am very unhappy with the state of our government. The only real difference between me and the tea baggers is that I'm willing to back date the outrage to around 1981, whereas the oil barrens that started up the astroturf group are unwilling or unable to look back past Jan 21, 2009.

    And no one has ever been able to provide a definition of teabagger. Curious.

    Franki- I do hope you heard president Obamas remarks he shared from his conversation with the president of Haiti. I believe he said something along the lines of "Tell the American people, that from the bottom of my heart, and my nations heart, thank you, thank you, thank you".
    Last edited by SpiffPeters; 01-16-2010, 11:08 AM.

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  • Frankiarmz
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    Originally posted by AFM View Post
    Frank

    Just promise me you don`t bring up lamb again and we will be OK

    Tony
    That's a deal Tony. I'll never mention the "L" word again.

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  • AFM
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    Frank

    Just promise me you don`t bring up lamb again and we will be OK

    Tony

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  • Frankiarmz
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    [QUOTE=AFM;274456]
    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
    Mack, I tried to give the haters a chance to say something nice about the USA, but it just has not happened.

    Frank

    I take offense at your glib statment that I am an American HATER because I have an opinion and don`t agree with you well sometimes I will and others I won`t thats what freedom of speech is all about and having that chip on your shoulders not being able to take criticism must wear you down.

    Tony
    Tony, I agree that we don't have to agree. I am proud to debate or argue our different views on this forum. I can take critism and I can give it, I know that my opinions are just that. I have concluded that there are some folks who post here, that do seem to hate the USA, they are extremely critical of our history, politics and never say anything nice. I am critical of my country and I have been ashamed of some past and present behavior, that goes for our political system too. I don't have that party loyalty, so now that I criticize the present administration I see how upset some past supporters can be. Tony, I don't know you well enough to know if you hate America. I gather from some of your posts that as an observer, you are critical and that's your position. I felt this was a topic of interest and an opportunity for those who have been outspoken to say something nice for a change. I can't force you or anyone else to offer a compliment, but if you respect my right to speak, then I can ask in general. I'd like to see this back and forth end with both of us speaking our minds without getting upset. I write about things I hear on the news and read about. I know Americans are dying to protect my freedoms and Americans are experiencing difficult financial times. Personally, I am lucky to be keeping my head above water, no thanks to our dysfunctional politics. Now do you still think I'm singling you out as a hater, or are you upset over my comment about tough lamb? Try to lighten up Tony, you and me and Mack can disagree and still sleep at night with full bellies. Let's all pray for those not so fortunate.

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  • AFM
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    [QUOTE=Frankiarmz;274316]Mack, I tried to give the haters a chance to say something nice about the USA, but it just has not happened.

    Frank

    I take offense at your glib statment that I am an American HATER because I have an opinion and don`t agree with you well sometimes I will and others I won`t thats what freedom of speech is all about and having that chip on your shoulders not being able to take criticism must wear you down.

    Tony

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  • Gene Bickford
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    Originally posted by boytyperanma View Post
    To others it requires an amount of money to bring their standard of living up to ours.

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    That is what I was looking for!

    Haiti was in dire need of help long before this earth quake. How many died each and every day due to starvation and violence? Why was the UN already stationed at points?
    Why the sudden interest in Haiti? Because of a disaster? Because people are in need?They were already in need on Monday but nobody gave a rats a$$ then.
    How are we going to help the actual people by sending 100mil, 200mil or even a billion? Corruption and greed run rampant among all parties involved(US Gov, The UN, Haitian Gov, thugs, red cross, unicef...etc). The every day joe in Haiti will be lucky if they see 10 cents for every dollar sent.

    What of the million upon millions all over the world that need help? do we just let them suffer until they to experience a huge event?

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  • darius
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    I don't think there is the right amount or percentage of GDP to donate. The problem is that humans are very competitive and would like to measure everything, to create tables and spreadsheets showing what is better or what is not. It went even so far that that academics tried to measure which representative of some field in humanities is better than the other. They counted how many times someone was quoted by others. The more times you were quoted or referred to (in a positive way) the better you were supposed to be. That of course is ridiculous. After all, is "Marry had a Little Lamb" better than "Roses are red and violets are blue"? The idea is as ridiculous, as are the attempts to measure human or national "goodness".

    The world is helping Haitians and that is good. It would be even better if the world would not have to help those they first destroy, as it incidentally happened to Haiti (France, in this case, was the culprit)

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  • boytyperanma
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    Originally posted by Gene Bickford View Post
    I only ask because I wonder how much money equals "doing the right thing".
    So if we throw .7% of our GDP to Haiti we are "good"?
    What if we send .8% does that make us "better"?

    And how long do we send?
    Until the situation has stabilized and they have a supply of fresh water and some food?or do we go beyond that?
    That's a very subjective measure. To some doing the right thing is not sending a cent. To others it requires an amount of money to bring their standard of living up to ours.

    If you send anything that's enough to qualify as 'good' in my book. But if you want to qualify on the list of 'good' countries .7% is the apparent goal. .8% might make you better in the eyes of some.

    If you sit back and let people suffer and then go as far as to advocate against helping you are a bad person in my opinion. I'm sure Rush doesn't care if I think he's a bad person but I'm always confused how he can live with himself.

    Long term once the people are out of the rubble and they have water and food our part is done. Considering the country those are time consuming enough goals.

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  • Gene Bickford
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    Originally posted by Gene Bickford View Post
    If our country is to "do the right thing" how much money/aid do we send and when do we stop sending it?
    I only ask because I wonder how much money equals "doing the right thing".
    So if we throw .7% of our GDP to Haiti we are "good"?
    What if we send .8% does that make us "better"?

    And how long do we send?
    Until the situation has stabilized and they have a supply of fresh water and some food?or do we go beyond that?

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  • boytyperanma
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    Originally posted by Gene Bickford View Post
    If our country is to "do the right thing" how much money/aid do we send and when do we stop sending it?
    Seems the international agreement through the UN was a goal of .7% GDP in total charitable donations. Some countries made the goal others didn't.

    A country has no need or rules forcing it to help other countries. People help others because they are 'good' people. If you are unwilling to help others due to your own interest that says little 'good' about you.

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