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  • #16
    Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

    Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
    How many countries put men on the ground in the U.S. when New Orleans was flooded by Katrina?
    As many as the US government allowed.
    Here is the list of countries who donated and/or offered assistance. Some offers were rejected by the GW. Bush government.

    Afghanistan
    Donated $100,000.
    Albania
    Donated $300,000.
    Argentina
    Made offers of help and assistance, dispatched an elite team of bilingual mental health professionals.
    Australia
    AUD 10 million, and a team of 20 emergency response officers immediately.
    Austria
    140 specialists of the AFDRU were put on stand-by. Within the EU Emergency Assistance for Katrina, Austria set up a communication network using IT and communication equipment for assistance/support, provided 10 sets petrol driven dirty water pumps, 500 pieces tarps/plastic sheeting and 300 camp beds
    Azerbaijan
    Donated $500,000.
    Bahrain
    Donated $5 million.
    Bangladesh
    Donated $1 million and offered 160 disaster management experts, including doctors, nurses, engineers and others.
    Belgium
    Offered 3 Medical teams of 31 personnel, logistic team of 10 personnel, coordination team of 4 personnel, civil engineering team of 10 personnel, diving team, and also balloon-lamps, low and high capacity pumps and small generators.
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Brunei
    Donated $1 million.
    Cambodia
    The king donated $20,000 to match the $20,000 Cambodian government donation.
    Canada
    September 5, 35 military divers were poised to depart by air Sunday from Halifax and Esquimalt, B.C., for the New Orleans area.September 4, On the request from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Canada sent thousands of beds, blankets, surgical gloves and dressings and other medical supplies. On September 2 the Government of Canada announced it was sending three warships along with a Coast Guard vessel, and three Sea King helicopters to the area. Over 1,000 personnel are involved in the operation, including engineers and navy divers. The Canadian Heavy Urban Search and Rescue out of Vancouver was in Louisiana from September 1, due to security they started their mission on Sept 3. Ontario Hydro, Hydro-Québec, and Manitoba Hydro, along with other electrical utilities, had crews set to go to the affected areas. On September 2 Air Canada participated along with U.S. member airlines of the Air Transport Association, in a voluntary airline industry initiative to support rescue and relief operations. Money donations although where very high, the province of Alberta alone threw in 5 million dollars alone. Although it is hard to put an exact number on Canadian cash donations because of some Canadians donating directly to the American agencies, but it is thought to be one of the highest international donors nation.
    Chile
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    People's Republic of China
    On September 2, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it will offer $5 million along with emergency supplies, including 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets, immediately for disaster relief. China also offered to send medical care and rescue workers if they were needed. This aid package consisting of 104 tons of supplies later arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas.A chartered plane carrying the supplies arrived on September 7.
    Colombia
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    ****
    One of the first countries to offer aid, **** offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department.
    Czech Republic
    Offered rescue teams, field hospital and pumps and water processing equipment.
    Denmark
    Offered Water purification units.
    Dominica
    Offered police to monitor hard-hit areas.
    Dominican Republic
    Offered rescue workers, doctors and nurses.
    Ecuador
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Egypt
    Sent 2 C-130 planes loaded with blankets, medical equipment, and canned food.
    El Salvador
    Offered troops to help keep order in New Orleans.
    Finland
    Sent Finn Rescue Force, three Red Cross logistics experts, 300 tents, a water purification unit, sterile gloves, bed sheets, pillow covers, tarps and first aid kits.
    France
    Concrete help was refused by the US government initially. On September 4, US authorities formally requested French assistance. France offered disaster relief stocks prepositioned in Martinique (600 tents, around 1000 beds, 60 electrogenic groups, 3 pumps, 3 water purification stations, 1000 folding jerricanes and other material). A 35-person team of the Sécurité civile (Civil defence) from Guadeloupe and Martinique were made ready, and a 60-man "catastrophe intervention" aeromobile detachment were prepared to be ferried from mainland in a short time. The Ministry of Defence offered 2 planes already in the zone and 6 more from mainland France, and two ships of the French Navy (probably the BATRAL Francis Garnier or Champlain, and the frigate Ventôse) and a 20-person team of emergency medical specialists. The non-governmental organisation Télécoms sans frontières and the company Véolia environnement offered aid in communications and water management, respectively. On September 7, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs stated that an Airbus Beluga from Toulouse with 12,7 tonnes of supplies flew to Mobile, Alabama, after a brief stop in the UK to load more food. Two Casa airplanes from Martinique landed in Little Rock, Arkansas, ferrying tents, covers and 1000 rations of food for 24 hours.
    Georgia
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Germany
    Two German Army Airbus planes landed in Florida with about 25 tonnes of food rations to be transported to the disaster area. Further planes were prepared. Germany offered airlifting, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies including German air force hospital planes, emergency electrical power and pumping services. The aid was ready to go on German air force and chartered planes. A team of specialists from THW (German federal agency for technical relief) were planning technical measures and logistics in close contact with local authorities. A team of 89 flood fighting specialists and 5 medical personnel were dispatched from Ramstein Air Base to Louisiana by the United States Air Force. They brought 15 high performance pumps (10 pumps with a capacity of 15,000 litres per minute and 5 pumps with a capacity of 5,000 litres per minute) and 28 vehicles. On Saturday, September 10 at 4:30 p.m., the THW started the first 15,000 litre pump at pumping-station No. 19. Three other 15,000 litres pumps followed. The drainage of New Orleans would have taken much more time if these pumps and the THW specialists had not been provided.
    The Minister-President of the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate addressed a letter to the commanders of the American forces stationed in his state offering financial support to those affected by the flooding.
    Another German Air Force cargo plane carrying several thousand military rations (MRE) was denied entry into US airspace since, according to US authorities, they were not certified BSE-free. This was disputed by German authorities, pointing out that they were BSE-free according to NATO rules, that US soldiers would eat them regularly during joint operations (e.g. Afghanistan) and that these meals fully complied to UN rules.
    Greece
    Offered $85,000, two cruise ships to house those left homeless, a rescue team, and supplies.
    Guatemala
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Guyana
    Made offers of help and assistance and is organizing a telethon to raise money for victims.
    Honduras
    Offered 135 flooding and sanitation experts.
    Hungary
    Pledged $5,000 and offered to send a Special Search and Rescue Team, and also five doctors.
    Iceland
    Offered $500,000.
    India
    India offered to contribute $5 million to the United States Red Cross for relief and rehabilitation of the victims. They also offered to donate medicines and large water purification systems for use in households and small communities in the stricken areas, where potable water was a key concern. India sent tarps, blankets and hygiene kits. An Indian Air Force IL-76 aircraft delivered 25 tonnes of relief supplies for the Hurricane Katrina victims at the Little Rock Air Force Base, Arkansas on September 13, 2005.
    Indonesia
    Offered to send 45 doctors and 155 other medical staffers and 10,000 blankets to help survivors.
    ****
    Offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m3) of crude oil.
    Iraq
    Pledged $1 million to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent.
    Republic of Ireland
    Offered to send 30 members of the Irish Defence Forces. The Irish army would have supplied thousands of ready meals, tents, blankets, water purification services and medical aid, including first aid kits, crutches and wheelchairs. The group would have included about ten experts in stress debriefing. Six of the troops would have operated two water purification plants. The Irish Government also announced it is to provide initial funding of EUR 1.2 million for the victims.
    Israel
    Offered field hospitals and hundreds of doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in trauma, natural disasters and public health.
    An Israeli airlift arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas with an eighty-ton shipment of humanitarian aid, including baby food, diapers, water, ready-to-eat meals, clothes, tents, blankets, mattresses, stretchers, first aid kits, wheelchairs, and other medical supplies.
    The Magen David Adom began "United Brotherhood Operation," which sent a plane-load of supplies and financial assistance.
    IsraAid sent a delegation of medical personnel, psychologists, and experienced search-and-rescue divers. The 18-member team — which included physicians, mental health professionals, trauma specialists, logistics experts and a special unit of Israeli police divers — arrived in St. Bernard Parish and Plaquemines Parish on Sept. 10 and spent a week and a half assisting fire department search-and-rescue squads and sitting in on daily planning meetings that included local leadership and a complement of Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), police, military and fire representativesmedical team.
    Five universities in Israel welcomed displaced American students from the affected areas and invited both undergraduate and graduate students to continue their studies in Israel. In particular, medical students unable to attend the Tulane University in New Orleans can attend Tel Aviv University's Sackler School of Medicine.

    Italy
    Italy offered to send two Hercules C130 cargo aircraft fitted with emergency aids, including 300 Adult camp beds, 300 blankets, 600 sheets, 1 suction pump, 6 lifecrafts, 11.200 chlorine tablets, 5 units of large first aid kits, baby food formula pumps, tents and power generators. Italy also offered to send some experts of the Protezione Civile to help coordinating relief efforts in the damaged area.
    Jamaica
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Japan
    The Japanese Foreign Ministry said that it would provide $200,000 to the American Red Cross to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina. Japan also identified needs in affected regions via the U.S. government and provided up to $300,000 in emergency supplies such as tents, blankets and power generators if they receive requests from the U.S. for such assistance. One Japanese individual, Takashi Endo, donated USD 1 million from his personal funds to Katrina relief efforts.
    Jordan
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Kenya
    Offered $100,000.
    Korea, South
    Offered $ 30 million and dispatched a rescue team.
    Kuwait
    Parliament approved $500 million for aid in oil and other humanitarian aid.
    Latvia
    Offered a disaster relief team.
    Lithuania
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Luxembourg
    Team of five persons, 1000 camp beds and 2000 blankets.
    Malaysia
    Pledged $1 million to American Red Cross.
    Maldives
    Sent $25,000 to American Red Cross.
    Mauritania
    Promised $200,000 to American Red Cross.
    Malta
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Mexico
    Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas received almost 196 Mexican troops, 14 truckloads of water, a mobile surgical unit, 45 military vehicles, 3 tons of purified water, and more than 250 tons of food, bottled water, canned food, disposable diapers and medical supplies. The Mexican Government sent $1 million through the Mexican Red Cross which collected an additional million, as well as 200 tons of food delivered in five airplanes from the Mexican Air Force by another Mexican Government body. The Mexican Navy sent two ships, 385 troopers, eight all-terrain vehicles, seven amphibious vehicles, two tankers, two helicopters, radio communication equipment, medical personnel and 296 tons of food as well. The state of Jalisco also sent four experts in disaster, while the Federal government offered to send expert teams in epidemiology and to cover the costs of returning any Mexican national back to Mexico.
    The Netherlands
    Royal Netherlands Navy Frigate Hr. Ms. Van Amstel arrived from the Netherlands Antilles. The frigate was filled with supplies and had helicopters on board that can be used in rescue actions. Further, The Netherlands sent experts on the subject of water containment and dikes, identification teams and pumps to deliver clean drinking water, F-16s with sophisticated infra red or thermography camera pods (to look for weaknesses in the levees, corpses and hidden survivors) and divers from the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps. On September 7 The U.S. government announced that it would take up the Dutch government's offer to send water pumps, and also five water management experts.
    New Zealand
    Pledged $2 million though the Red Cross. This contribution was in addition to the offers the government has already made to send an Urban Search and Rescue Team, a Disaster Victim Identification team or post disaster recovery personnel.
    Nicaragua
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Nigeria
    Pledged $1 million to hurricane disaster relief.
    Norway
    Made offers of help and assistance. An amount of NOK 10 million was given through the Norwegian Red Cross and the UN. In addition, Norway offered divers and medicines.
    Pakistan
    On September 4 Pakistan offered to send a team of doctors and paramedics to support the relief agencies. Pakistan also pledged $1 million through the Red Cross.
    Paraguay
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Peru
    Offered to send 80-100 doctors to help survivors.
    The Philippines
    Offered to send a 25-member team of aid workers. The Philippines Red Cross donated $25,000.
    Poland
    Made offers of help and assistance.
    Portugal
    Offered tents, mattresses, blankets, hygiene kits. Portugal lent 2% of its strategic oil reserve, equivalent to 500,000 barrels (79,000 m3) of oil.
    Qatar
    Pledged $100 million to the victims.
    Romania
    Offered 2 Teams of medical experts.
    Russia
    Was one of the first countries to offer assistance. Up to four jets were placed on standby at the Ramenskoe airport near Moscow as early as August 30, including heavy Ilyushin Il-76-TDs with special evacuation equipment, medical equipment, a water-cleansing system, a rescue helicopter BK-117 and two special cars; and a passenger IL-62, which brought 10 coordinators and 50 rescuers, as well as 6 tons of drinking water. On September 6, the Bush administration gave its approval.
    Saudi Arabia
    Saudi Refining, a Houston-based subsidiary of state oil firm Saudi Aramco, donated $5 million to the American Red Cross, as well as $250,000 from AGFUND.
    Singapore
    Three Singaporean CH-47 Chinook helicopters and thirty-eight RSAF personnel from a training detachment based in Grand Prairie, Texas assisted in relief operations from 1 September. They had so far ferried about 700 evacuees and hauled tons of supplies in 39 sorties on 4 September. One more CH-47 Chinook helicopter was sent to aid in relief efforts.
    Slovenia
    $120,000 worth of cots, mattresses, blankets, temporary shelters and first-aid kits.
    Spain
    Spain sent 2.1 million barrels (330,000 m3) of crude oil from its strategic reserves (the 1.75% of the Spanish reserves) for a 30 day period. On September 7 two Hercules cargo aircraft took off with 15 tonnes of food rations, electrical generators and batteries, medical equipment and other humanitarian assistance collected by the Agencia Española de Cooperación Internacional (AECI). A second envoy was sent a few days later.
    Sweden
    Sweden offered to send medical and technical aid, and a Hercules cargo aircraft filled with three complete GSM systems, first aid kits, blankets, Ready-to-eat meals, generators, 2 heavy water purification plants, as well as water sanitation experts. On September 4 the U.S. State Department declined the aid, saying it was currently unable to accept foreign aid packages. On September 12 the Hercules plane left the Gothenburg-Landvetter Airport, carrying a cargo of three Ericsson GSM network systems. A team of technical consultants to help with the aid package was also provided.
    Switzerland
    Switzerland offered specialised personnel and material to the USA and the World Health Organisation (WHO). In accordance with US requirements, 50 tonnes of rescue equipment were ready to be sent, along with two logisticians of the Direction du développement et de la coopération (DDC, "Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation") to help coordinate distributions. Four physicians and two water specialists were also put to the disposal of the WHO.
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    • #17
      Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

      PART 2 (continued):

      Republic of China (Taiwan)
      Pledged more than $3 million to the relief effort, plus supplies.
      Thailand
      Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.
      Tunisia
      Sent two C-130s with relief supplies.
      Turkey
      Promised $2.5 million in cash and aid.
      Uganda
      Offered $200,000.
      United Kingdom
      The United Kingdom dispatched 500,000 ration packs worth EUR 3 million, to the region. However, many of the ration packs did not reach victims due to laws regarding mad cow disease. It also offered medical experts, Urban Search and Rescue equipment, Marine engineers and high-volume pumps, skilled personnel including engineers who could support recovery efforts for installations and systems, technicians, staff trained in disaster management and emergency response activities. It also pledged to release an extra 2.2 million barrels (350,000 m3) of oil.
      Venezuela
      President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela offered one million barrels of oil and 5 million dollars in aid to the United States. This aid was rejected by the State Department. State-owned Petróleos de Venezuela, the parent company of Citgo Petroleum Corporation, has also pledged a $2 million donation for hurricane aid. Two mobile hospital units were also offered, but were declined, according to Jesse Jackson.

      Pledges from International Organizations

      European Union
      Any help and assistance that is requested, also agreed to provide oil reserves to the U.S. The U.S. only accepted first aid kits, blankets, water trucks, and 500,000 Ready-to-eat meals.
      Habitat for Humanity International
      Pledged to help Habitat families and other low-income families in the affected areas recover and rebuild.
      International Energy Agency
      The Paris-based International Energy Agency agreed to make 60 million barrels (9,500,000 m3) of product available "to help the United States weather the economic problems caused by Hurricane Katrina.
      IFRC (Red Cross and Red Crescent)
      Sent more than 80 disaster experts. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies launched the largest mobilisation of resources for a single natural disaster, including the recruitment of 1,900 staff and volunteers. All available resources were moved to safe areas so relief efforts could begin immediately after the storm passed. More than 250 emergency response vehicles (ERVs) and countless other Red Cross resources were sent to provide hot meals, snacks, bottled water and distribute other much-needed relief supplies. The Red Cross opened shelters in support of the massive evacuations in all affected states. Some 230 Red Cross shelters had been opened in Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas, housing over 40,000 people. In coordination with the Southern Baptists, preparations have been made to provide more than 500,000 hot meals each day.
      International Medical Corps
      deployed a rapid response team to affected areas in Louisiana and Mississippi to determine the needs in impacted communities, provided medical, technical, and financial assistance. From September through December, IMC provided volunteer physicians and nurses to run mobile clinics serving displaced communities in Louisiana, serving more than 13,000 patients.
      NATO
      Made offers of help and assistance, provided humanitarian aid, such as food, medical supplies, and wheelchairs. NATO was prepared to send troops, but the U.S. government has not issued a request for personnel.
      OPEC
      Made offers of help and assistance.
      Organization of American States
      Donated $25,000 to the American Red Cross.
      United Nations
      The United Nations said it was ready to send supply water storage tanks, water purification tablets, high-energy biscuits, generators, planes, tents and other emergency supplies along with experienced staff members.
      World Health Organization
      Made, as an independent agency, offers of help and assistance.


      Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
      So far from what I see, bottom line is that noone puts their people here to assist.

      And that is the truest form of assistance, friendship, and alliance. Not funding.
      As you now see you were wrong. Lots of foreign countries offered both personnel and material support. The US accepted some of the help while rejecting the help offered by others.
      Last edited by darius; 01-17-2010, 12:04 AM.
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      • #18
        Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

        Here' s some.




        Bottom line – US cannot accept help of foreign medical professionals or
        foreign drugs for liability reasons. Only assistance of that type we are
        prepared to accept is forensics to deal with identification of human
        remains.
        David J. Kostelancik, email to Michael J. Dodman, et al., September 7, 2005 (Document
        EU91).

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        • #19
          Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

          Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
          I wonder what Haiti's president is on vacation now or attending campaign fund raisers or presenting birthday cakes to fellow politicians? Perhaps he'll fly over and take a look. Then he'll roll up his sleeves and tell someone how great of a job they are doing.

          The US leads the world when it comes to being first in lending a helping hand and I hope it remains that way.
          I hope it stays that way too. I think in order to stay that way we must remain economically strong which will involve a lot of problem solving right here at home. I can't for the life of me believe folks are debating the climate issue or healthcare when there are much more urgent issues to resolve.

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          • #20
            Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

            Darius,

            Great post and obviously some real "homework" on your part... Thanks!


            J.C.

            So what's your point? We're better than everyone else or we shouldn't do anything because no one returns the favor or we shouldn't do anything because we're not appreciated?

            I quite imagine that you would be one of the loudest screamers if we took **** (or any other country) up on it's considerate offer to help with our Katrina problem.


            CWS

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            • #21
              Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

              So in order to help they had to be approved by FEMA.

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              • #22
                Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                I never read the entire thread and all posts, So this may be covered. I bet our friends to the North, in Europe and in the Southern Hemisphere. Offered help and if they were needed I bet all of our friends would have given all resorces and man power possible. I bet with the troops they have lost so far helping us in the middle east they would have much rather sent help to Louisiana

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                • #23
                  Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                  Originally posted by CWSmith View Post
                  Darius,

                  Great post and obviously some real "homework" on your part... Thanks!


                  J.C.

                  So what's your point? We're better than everyone else or we shouldn't do anything because no one returns the favor or we shouldn't do anything because we're not appreciated?

                  I quite imagine that you would be one of the loudest screamers if we took **** (or any other country) up on it's considerate offer to help with our Katrina problem.


                  CWS
                  I don't know if I necessarily have a point to get across. I think I stated I just wanted to know what other countries put their people at Ground Zero of any crisis in the U.S. because it's either not publicized or I haven't paid enough attention to see it.

                  What does being one of the "loudest screamers" mean? That I wouldn't approve of any other country assisting? I don't think I would protest some assistance from some countries like Canada, Australia, Italy... etc. based on the little I know of them and the give and take between us.

                  J.C.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                    The two things are of completely different magnitude. Katrina had a death toll of 1,836. The earthquake is likely in the hundreds of thousands.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                      Originally posted by Andy_M View Post
                      Our government has done things that do not make me proud. On the other hand, considering that Europe and the rest of the free world would be speaking German or Russian by now if it wasn't for the United States
                      Without going into much detail, if it wasn't for the US (among others) Hitler could have only dreamed about his Blietzkriegs. He would have barked but he wouldn't have bitten - he had no teeth.

                      The help he received from US corporations in the years leading to WW2 and in its first couple of years was instrumental in allowing the Nazis to unleash the wors of the wars.

                      If you're interested in the topic you can get you started with this, and then follow the material referenced by the article.

                      I said it before and I'll say it again - nations and their leaders are two different things. Unfortunately, when a government f*cks up it reflects on the entire nation. IMO the biggest enemy of the American people for some time has been their own government. Sadly, this is also true for many other nations.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                        Originally posted by cpw View Post
                        The two things are of completely different magnitude. Katrina had a death toll of 1,836. The earthquake is likely in the hundreds of thousands.
                        They are of a different magnitude.

                        But the principle of offering assistance and how other powers act still applies. To me at least.

                        J.C.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                          I hope it stays that way too. I think in order to stay that way we must remain economically strong which will involve a lot of problem solving right here at home. I can't for the life of me believe folks are debating the climate issue or healthcare when there are much more urgent issues to resolve.
                          You would, if your health insurance premiums were the price of a Cadillac, and the benefits were equal to a Trabant.

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                          • #28
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                            I guess we are no better than those political pundits that continue to divide this nation.

                            Their stock in trade is to create outrage where none previously existed, and quite honestly doesn't belong in the first place. Sadly, we have fallen into the trap by stoking the flames of discontent over an issue that is suppose to unite us and define our better natures. And we aren't even getting paid to do this.

                            This thread is proof that the corporate mouthpieces peddling their propaganda have been successful beyond their wildest dreams.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                              Originally posted by darius View Post
                              Without going into much detail, if it wasn't for the US (among others) Hitler could have only dreamed about his Blietzkriegs. He would have barked but he wouldn't have bitten - he had no teeth.

                              The help he received from US corporations in the years leading to WW2 and in its first couple of years was instrumental in allowing the Nazis to unleash the wors of the wars.

                              If you're interested in the topic you can get you started with this, and then follow the material referenced by the article.

                              I said it before and I'll say it again - nations and their leaders are two different things. Unfortunately, when a government f*cks up it reflects on the entire nation. IMO the biggest enemy of the American people for some time has been their own government. Sadly, this is also true for many other nations.
                              So what's your point? That the US created the Hitler problem?

                              Hindsight is always 20-20. Hitler used every means at his disposal to achieve what he achieved and claw his way into power, and he was excellent at it. Whether US corporations did or didn't do what you point to, Hitler is likely to still have risen to power. Many if not most of the German people that supported Hitler as he rose to power probably wouldn't have supported him if they had the benefit of hindsight to see what a madman he was.

                              You're free to believe anything you like. In my view, the United States stepped up and stopped Hitler. It tool a lot of blood to do that, and a lot of the blood was American.

                              I am not real happy with things right now... but as for the government being our greatest enemy... I disagree. We are a democratic republic. If things go wrong - as they have in several areas - the blame lies with the population. You can't have a democratic republic and then lay blame on the faceless "them" of government. It's a cop out. The American people need to step up and get things back on track.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Katrina New Orleans vs. Haiti Earthquake

                                I also want to make a point about the long list of countries that offered aid....

                                Please take a look at the amounts.

                                Couple hundred thousand?? Million or two? I know many of these countries don't have a lot, but on the scale of countries, the aid from many of these "friends" is virtually nothing.

                                I think there is a difference between wanting to help and wanting to buy your way on to a list for the least possible token amount.

                                But absolutely not to take anything away from the countries that really did step up.

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