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  • #16
    Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

    Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
    I don't begrudge anyones success. But ol' Rush was propped up for a number of years in the beginning because his show didn't make money. Just like FOX News was nothing more than a money loser for the first five or six years, Rupert kept pumping money into it. Of course there is a Saudi family that is a major share holder in FOX News too.

    Rush is about as anti-American as I can imagine. He is indeed pro-capitalism, but he doesn't believe in democracy.

    As for Obama having an advantage, please do illuminate the privileges a black boy with a single white mother enjoyed. I can't wait to hear.

    And just what was Rush doing with a bottle of Viagra on a private jet with four other men? I'm not saying he's gay, but he certainly fits all the tell tale signs of the self loathing homosexual.
    Obama ,Poor LiL sho shine Boy ? THE BEST PRIVATE SCHOOLS !
    I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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    • #17
      Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

      Being Conservative or Liberal is who someone is regardless of what your party does. There are in fact Conservative Democrats just as there are Liberal Republicans, they are known as Moderates.

      Mark
      "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

      I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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      • #18
        Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

        i guess you could say. i'm in the tea party movement. although i am a republican.
        the only dumb question is the one that is not asked!

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        • #19
          Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

          Originally posted by toolaholic View Post
          Obama ,Poor LiL sho shine Boy ? THE BEST PRIVATE SCHOOLS !
          That's it? That's your evidence? Or as your tone would suggest, he was a recipient of a quota system?

          Hawaii has one of the best public school systems in the country. Is there a doubt that Obama can't think on his feet? Did you see him, sans teleprompter or notes on his palm, at the republican house caucus last month? Unscripted, no notes, took on all comers, separated the talking points from the facts, and then backed them into a corner. It was such a whooping that FOX News broke away and got their Fair and Balanced news persons and analysts on the task of analyzing the event, rather than keep the cameras rolling and letting the audience decide. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN kept their cameras rolling because it was a historical event.

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          • #20
            Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

            Originally posted by SpiffPeters View Post
            That's it? That's your evidence? Or as your tone would suggest, he was a recipient of a quota system?

            Hawaii has one of the best public school systems in the country. Is there a doubt that Obama can't think on his feet? Did you see him, sans teleprompter or notes on his palm, at the republican house caucus last month? Unscripted, no notes, took on all comers, separated the talking points from the facts, and then backed them into a corner. It was such a whooping that FOX News broke away and got their Fair and Balanced news persons and analysts on the task of analyzing the event, rather than keep the cameras rolling and letting the audience decide. NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN kept their cameras rolling because it was a historical event.
            Yeah Spiff, President Obama and the dems are doing a bang up, historical job of fixing what's wrong with America! You won't see them making sweetheart political deals, no more brave Americans dying or getting maimed overseas, no bailouts or useless stimulus like the republicans. You guys have a nice day thinking you're right and defending the special interest groups on both sides!

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            • #21
              Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
              Skool, allow me to take a swing at this one. Defining yourself or anyone else as conservative or liberal means about as much today as which religion prays to the true God. Much to the disappointment of folks who think they are on the right team, the result of our failing economy and dysfunctional country can be blamed on both political parties. Neither did a dam thing to stop the businesses and jobs from leaving, stopped the wallstreet thieving, addressed the trade deficit, raids on social security to fund other projects, the situation with illegals.

              We all work or worked hard, and we all spend to enjoy certain things in life. I would not be bragging about being a conservative or liberal whatever that means. Maybe instead of taking sides against eachother, we should join forces and actually fix what the heck is wrong with America!

              Open your eyes guys! Those politicians on both sides of the aisle have way too much in common to be called by different names. Compare Bush/Obama for a moment, bailouts, stimulus, wars,sweetheart deals, nothing to fix the economy.

              Skool, be your own man and reject the false promises made by these twins who do not care about you or your country. If you are a good and honest, hard working, faithful man, you really need to "Stay the Course" and keep out of politics, it will only compromise you.
              Just to be clear, Obama has not spent anywhere near the amount of money that the previous administration spent, pro-rated. Of the total debt today, $600 billion is the result of Obama's spending. 2009 budget was put together by Bush.

              The republicans were handed a budget surplus in the trillions back in 2001, and they turned the projected surplus into a very real multi-trillion dollar debt with a couple of tax cuts for the top .1 %, Medicare Part D (give away to pharma), two wars that were funded via emergency appropriations rather than included in the budget (Obama included the wars in his budget). And the beauty of it all, get ready, was these bills were never offset with spending cuts, and they were rammed through via reconciliation and passed on party line votes.

              Majority rules only count when it the credit card republicans running the show.

              If you look at the spending between the Bush era and the Obama era, there is no comparison. Facts and ideology don't mix well.

              And as stated previously, I am an independent. The dems are a pathetically inept party. As Will Rogers once said, I am not a member of an organized political party, I'm a democrat.

              Republicans fought against democrats on SSI, Medicare, women voters (I know, it's a constitutional amendment now, but they fought it from the get go), child labor law, unions, civil rights, to name a few. Imagine if the republicans had won any of these arguments.

              There is a difference between the two parties, at least historically. Present day, I still expect the dems to wake up and start acting like dems. Pelosi told her caucus they need to stop worrying about the political career and do what their constituents expect them to do.

              And Rush equates her to a mullah or terrorist brainwashing a suicide bomber. That's what passes for entertainment for some folks, or that's what passes for political analysis. You decide.

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              • #22
                Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                Not a Rush fan, but fail to see the point here.

                I guess by this logic the Kennedys must be super conservative.

                >> "And as stated previously, I am an independent."

                So that's your registered affiliation. As if that means something? Or does it just give you license to claim you're not biased as you bash the republicans?

                I'm not not supporting the either by the way. The republicans were a failure and Obama is proving conclusively that he has no game, either.

                The banks, including the Federal Reserve, and the large corporate execs are running things. The rest of it is *all* window dressing. There's no "liberal" and "conservative" anymore. The only difference between them is which group of special interests they choose to sell out to.

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                • #23
                  Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                  SpiffPeters, I take it you do not like Rush, am I understaning that Right?
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                  • #24
                    Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post

                    Skool, be your own man and reject the false promises made by these twins who do not care about you or your country. If you are a good and honest, hard working, faithful man, you really need to "Stay the Course" and keep out of politics, it will only compromise you.
                    Agreed, I have never actually voted in my life because I really never heard anyone running mention anything that made sense to me, but then again, I am only 36,

                    To me, when the people run for office, Its always the same. "I will lower taxes" , "I will stop abortion" etc,

                    Personally , I have been hearing that crap since I was 11 years old and never really applied to me,

                    I would like to see someone( a candidate of any office at this point ) say something like,

                    "If you elect me, I will go from town to town, state to state, and personally make sure not one American starves before I spend another dollar abroad"

                    "I will explain why all the warehouses across America are empty"

                    You know something that will make a difference,

                    So ya, I don't know, I am just confused because there are just so so so many open promises and most wind up empty.

                    BUT - Getting back to the original question:

                    • So if RUSH had $100 million in assets and he bought a $14 million house, that makes him conservative?

                    • What about IF RUSH was only worth $15 million and he bought the 14million house?

                    • Does that mean he is a Radical?

                    I am just trying to "define" what makes a person conservative, sorry for all the questions.


                    Thanks

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                    • #25
                      Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                      Frank said,

                      >> "If you are a good and honest, hard working, faithful man, you really need to "Stay the Course" and keep out of politics, it will only compromise you."

                      This is one of the very few areas where I disagree with him.

                      We The People are being raped because too many of us are politically uninvolved and don't want to join the fray. Being uninvolved is the polictical version of bending over.

                      Look at two party elections. The tally is basically similar to a coin flip - a random event with the votes running pretty close to 50-50. The politicians know this very well. That's why they are ONLY devoted to special interests. If you can get more special interests in your column than the other guy can, it swings the otherwise random election. Everything else they do is geared toward staying close to the status quo and not upsetting anyone too much. That's why you can COUNT on nothing much of any real significance ever happening to right this ship. Why do you suppose there STILL haven't been any meaningful changes in regulating the banking industry?

                      Why do you suppose the choice for the Dems came down to Hillary or Barack? Hmmm. One appeals to the women special interest, the other appeals to the ethnic special interest. Check out how Black America voted in the election. I Would say the Dems made a good choice from an "election engineering" perspective. Now, why do you suppose McCain selected Palin? He barely knew her, she has nothing, except that she is a member of a special interest group. Not such a great choice though, since between her (dumb) comments and gun-toting views I don't think that women found her all that compelling. We know certainly that McCain didn't have a lot of use for her!! Palin was just another example of poor McCain, who I now think may well have been the better man, running an inept campaign.

                      Now before someone accuses me of racism.... I am not racist at all, nor am I anti women (very much the opposite, in fact). The facts are the facts, though, and even if we choose to characterize them as "politically incorrect" that doesn't change them. It just means we aren't seeing things for what they are.

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                      • #26
                        Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                        Originally posted by PlumbingSkool View Post
                        BUT - Getting back to the original question:

                        • So if RUSH had $100 million in assets and he bought a $14 million house, that makes him conservative?

                        • What about IF RUSH was only worth $15 million and he bought the 14million house?

                        • Does that mean he is a Radical?

                        I am just trying to "define" what makes a person conservative, sorry for all the questions.


                        Thanks
                        I don't see how being a real estate speculator or not has anything to do with whether you are conservative or liberal.

                        I'm conservative.

                        I bought a house that was 6x my net worth.

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                        • #27
                          Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                          As stated in a general sense, many will say the Republicans are Conservative and the Democrats are liberal,

                          the truth is there is a huge blend in both parties, of conservative and liberal beliefs,

                          and there are many blends of what a liberal is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism and what a conservative is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism just take a look at the definitions on wikipedia,

                          another issue is that the parties have floated in there views over the years, the republicans of the Reagan era are now the out cast of the republican party, and the democrats have shifted much to the European model of governments rule, (which some may say is socialism),

                          (IMO I would say in a general sense the Republican party has more of a conservative representation than the Democratic party),

                          but the apparent actual rule of the two groups is that they both seem to do much the same and go in a lot of the same direction, only (depending on how one views it) one is fast and one is slower in there movement.

                          If you do a study of RED and BLUE states or area, there seem to be a large relation ship on if it a urban or a rural setting, which some what reflects in to how one seems to think,

                          (for an example: in most rural areas, there is a very strong personal property rights beliefs, this is my land, and I have the God given right to live and do as I please on it, (now in my case my nearest neighbor is over a mile away, and really only have 4 neighbors in a 3 mile radius, so if I want to set up a shooting range out my back door big deal,
                          now you take my urban relative, he has what 2000+ neighbors in that 3 mile radius, so the neighbors want the "Government" to make rules, (LAWS), that say you can not set up a shooting range out your back door, or you can not have noisy animals in your yard, or, or, or, and since you don't know your neighbors you want laws that say they know what they are doing if you hire them, (licensing), and you want laws on most every thing to control them for your personal safety and quality of life, and even down to if you mow your yard or if you have an extra car in the drive way. you want conformity, and control over the people next to you, in the rural they want individualism, and freedom of the neighbor,

                          so some of this thinking pulls over to how one thinks,

                          I read some on this board that seem to hold political conservative views, but would be considered liberal (in my area) as in much of what they do, as they hold a mentality of an urban living, (licensing, inspections, government control over there lives and others),
                          so what is consertive and what is liberal?

                          the parties are not nessarly conservative and liberal, but the way politics work is you need team work to pass things, so unless the party bands together little is done,

                          the simple definition is IMO.
                          a conservative is one who believes the answers lay with in the strengths and power of the individual if left unleashed, (to earn to invest, to create, and to problem solving, and freedom of choice and path in life,)
                          and a liberal is one who believes the answers lay with the government and there control over people and how they live,

                          the reality is there not every thing is possible to be done by individuals, and not everything is or should be a government controlled process,

                          Are consertives always right? NO, are liberals always right? NO,

                          the quesiton is what should the blend be?

                          I personally think if one looks at the Constitution, it lays out what the federal government should have the power to do, and what the state and local governments should do, and the rest to left up to the people,

                          (IMO the Constitution is not nor has it been followed in the last 100 years, and probly longer),

                          Are some of the things that the Feds have set up good, yes, are they all constitutiona?l NO, should they be undone, (it would be difficult as so many depend on the systems), read some of Franks comments on the "drastic measures" posts,

                          but it is clear that going the way things are is not sustainable, and taxing the people to keep it going is not the answer either, as the more take for the government the less innovation and job making and growth one is going to have,

                          read an article on finance, a few years ago and many times one will say it is only $50 I think I will get it,
                          this article said that most people get into financial trouble for about $50 a month, over a period of time, so if the government taxes you only an extra $50 a month over the scope of things, what will that do to many?
                          Push sticks/blocks Save Fingers
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                          attributed to Samuel Johnson
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                          • #28
                            Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                            Originally posted by cpw View Post
                            I don't see how being a real estate speculator or not has anything to do with whether you are conservative or liberal.

                            I'm conservative.

                            Okay, can you define what that means?

                            Give me some examples of a conservative and how they live please

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                            • #29
                              Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                              Originally posted by BHD View Post
                              As stated in a general sense, many will say the Republicans are Conservative and the Democrats are liberal,

                              the truth is there is a huge blend in both parties, of conservative and liberal beliefs,

                              and there are many blends of what a liberal is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism and what a conservative is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism just take a look at the definitions on wikipedia,

                              another issue is that the parties have floated in there views over the years, the republicans of the Reagan era are now the out cast of the republican party, and the democrats have shifted much to the European model of governments rule, (which some may say is socialism),

                              (IMO I would say in a general sense the Republican party has more of a conservative representation than the Democratic party),

                              but the apparent actual rule of the two groups is that they both seem to do much the same and go in a lot of the same direction, only (depending on how one views it) one is fast and one is slower in there movement.

                              If you do a study of RED and BLUE states or area, there seem to be a large relation ship on if it a urban or a rural setting, which some what reflects in to how one seems to think,

                              (for an example: in most rural areas, there is a very strong personal property rights beliefs, this is my land, and I have the God given right to live and do as I please on it, (now in my case my nearest neighbor is over a mile away, and really only have 4 neighbors in a 3 mile radius, so if I want to set up a shooting range out my back door big deal,
                              now you take my urban relative, he has what 2000+ neighbors in that 3 mile radius, so the neighbors want the "Government" to make rules, (LAWS), that say you can not set up a shooting range out your back door, or you can not have noisy animals in your yard, or, or, or, and since you don't know your neighbors you want laws that say they know what they are doing if you hire them, (licensing), and you want laws on most every thing to control them for your personal safety and quality of life, and even down to if you mow your yard or if you have an extra car in the drive way. you want conformity, and control over the people next to you, in the rural they want individualism, and freedom of the neighbor,

                              so some of this thinking pulls over to how one thinks,

                              I read some on this board that seem to hold political conservative views, but would be considered liberal (in my area) as in much of what they do, as they hold a mentality of an urban living, (licensing, inspections, government control over there lives and others),
                              so what is consertive and what is liberal?

                              the parties are not nessarly conservative and liberal, but the way politics work is you need team work to pass things, so unless the party bands together little is done,

                              the simple definition is IMO.
                              a conservative is one who believes the answers lay with in the strengths and power of the individual if left unleashed, (to earn to invest, to create, and to problem solving, and freedom of choice and path in life,)
                              and a liberal is one who believes the answers lay with the government and there control over people and how they live,

                              the reality is there not every thing is possible to be done by individuals, and not everything is or should be a government controlled process,

                              Are consertives always right? NO, are liberals always right? NO,

                              the quesiton is what should the blend be?

                              I personally think if one looks at the Constitution, it lays out what the federal government should have the power to do, and what the state and local governments should do, and the rest to left up to the people,

                              (IMO the Constitution is not nor has it been followed in the last 100 years, and probly longer),

                              Are some of the things that the Feds have set up good, yes, are they all constitutiona?l NO, should they be undone, (it would be difficult as so many depend on the systems), read some of Franks comments on the "drastic measures" posts,

                              but it is clear that going the way things are is not sustainable, and taxing the people to keep it going is not the answer either, as the more take for the government the less innovation and job making and growth one is going to have,

                              read an article on finance, a few years ago and many times one will say it is only $50 I think I will get it,
                              this article said that most people get into financial trouble for about $50 a month, over a period of time, so if the government taxes you only an extra $50 a month over the scope of things, what will that do to many?
                              Ahhh there we go,

                              Thats a huge reply, Thanks for writing that for me

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                              • #30
                                Re: If My House Was Worth 14 MILLION ...would I be a "Conservative"???

                                Originally posted by cpw View Post
                                I don't see how being a real estate speculator or not has anything to do with whether you are conservative or liberal.

                                I'm conservative.

                                I bought a house that was 6x my net worth.
                                Well actually, ( not aimed at you, but since you gave me an example )

                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism

                                Fiscal conservatism is a political term used in North America to describe a fiscal policy that advocates avoiding deficit spending. Fiscal conservatives often consider reduction of overall government spending and national debt as well as balancing the federal budget of paramount importance. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, and other classical liberal policies are also often affiliated with fiscal conservatism.



                                Wouldn't "deficit spending" be buying a house more then your worth and not make you a conservative ....Or am I reading this wrong, and if so please forgive me and educate me on what I read wrong if you wouldn't mind,

                                Wikipedia confuses me at times ( I never graduated high school ). ;(

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