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I used to witch out places for new wells and help the county find graves, and pipes before they had those new pipe locator things. But I just used a bent brazing rod and a tree branch and couldn't tell what shape pipes were in till I dug. I guess you get what you pay for, the branch was free but I had to pay .10 cents for the rod seems like it should have done more then just follow a pipe or swing side ways. I think I must have got ripped off