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  • #16
    Re: Defending Christmas

    Originally posted by stxrus View Post
    true, but not as long as most of the "celebrating" world.

    i'm not a believer but i don't bash others beliefs. to me christians, jews, muslims, hindu, etc are all believing in a fantasy i prefer not to delve in.

    to ME, christmas is a time of family and a kindred spirit that unites all people waiting for freaking winter to get over and enjoy the warmth of spring & summer before it all turns around again

    just my $.02 before taxes

    have your beliefs and enjoy them. just don't foist them on me
    America is relatively young compared to most of the celebrating world. When it comes to being forced, think of all the displays of native garb, religious symbols, ethnic music and other things which we have no way in avoiding.

    If we were to remove everything that offended someone, there would not be much left. I grew up in NYC and worked in The Bronx all my life. The aroma of food from different countries filled the air, several foreign languages could be heard within an hour's time and the flag's of many different countries were displayed on homes and in cars all over.

    America is not the place to live if one is touchy, or offended by anything ethnic, religious or "foreign", because with the exception of native Americans we were once all foreign to this land.

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    • #17
      Re: Defending Christmas

      Originally posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING View Post
      I wouldn't come to your community and change tradition, I expect it to be the same at mine. Just because someone moves in that doesn't believe in christmas makes the rest suffer and switch.

      Jewish people don't push their religion around, and I have absolutely no issue with it. Can't make me eat their food, but I wouldn't proclaim foul if they had a festival celebrating their religion.

      Same with italians; I can go to an italian festival worshipping the meatball or spaghetti without idiots trying to pull the focus to them instead of the tradition.

      Kapish? Kapish.


      There is no issue here.
      I understand the desire to be proud of one's heritage, but I can't stand when it overshadows or divides us as one people. My Dad was born in italy, but I was born here and consider myself American not italian American. Sure would be nice if we could pull together as Americans instead of clinging to the past.
      P.S., just had a couple slices of pizza and now you got me thinking of meatballs.

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      • #18
        Re: Defending Christmas

        Originally posted by UnClogNH View Post
        If it has food, music and good times? I'm In
        Oh by the way Merry Christmas everyone
        People tick me off! "I'm so offended bla bla bla" Learn to enjoy everyone's holidays.
        Then there will be a lot more good times going on and a lot less complaining..........
        Thank you.

        ************

        Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all. May you all enjoy peace, love health, happiness and prosperity.

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        • #19
          Re: Defending Christmas

          I want to know just exactly who is behind all this crap? I still wish everyone a merry christmas and 99% wish me the same, so just exactly who is driving this whole thing? Or is it like the Obama riddle. Nobody will admit to voting for the guy but he got elected anyhoo. I blame all of society's ills on liberal, commy college professors. You know, people that have never held a real job in their entire lives and somehow feel morally and socially superior to the masses.

          Oh yes, MERRY FREEKIN CHRISTMAS EVERYONE
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          • #20
            Re: Defending Christmas

            Dunno NH, have you watched CNBC lately?

            Lots and lots of extreme righties who make 7 figures who can use the powers of deep quant economic theorum they learned in school and committed to memory to formulate that 2+2 can be made to equal 5 or piling a batch of crap mortgages into a group creates a top notch triple A rated asset.

            The theme?

            Nerds have taken over, using convoluted "quant" math, they've become the grinch that stole Christmas.

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            • #21
              Re: Defending Christmas

              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
              I understand the desire to be proud of one's heritage, but I can't stand when it overshadows or divides us as one people. My Dad was born in italy, but I was born here and consider myself American not italian American. Sure would be nice if we could pull together as Americans instead of clinging to the past.
              P.S., just had a couple slices of pizza and now you got me thinking of meatballs.

              The use of "Christmas" does not divide, it unites. Christmas has been a universal name for quite some time, embraced by all. It wasn't until this nation got littered with 900 different nationalities that started this undercurrent in the waters wanting personal freedom to choose by their own design.


              It's been that way for decades, christians have a right to defend that helm and it will remain.

              Just because it is public does not scrutinize the masses of who should go and who shouldn't.

              If a jewish celebration is had once a year in the unity of that religion, so be it. It's their right.


              Just like a black family reunion... it doesn't need to be called multi-national day just because whitey wants a part of the festivities.

              That's how it works.

              I don't hear people complaining about Kwansa sp? which is a african american heritage holiday.

              If someone doesn't like the word christmas in christmas walk, they are not invited. Don't come; we don't need you. Our crowds spoke volumes this year, and keeps getting bigger.
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              • #22
                Re: Defending Christmas

                LOL -

                Christmas is in the heart man! Not on any TV, store or commercial!

                No one can every take that away!!


                LOL - by the way.......

                "CHRISTMAS under attack"

                Just ...has GOT to be one of the most ridiculous "explosive metaphors" I have ever heard in my life...hehe.......

                ( Psst: In case anyone reading this doesn't understand the power of metaphors and words.....read this......( link below )

                http://www.beyondintractability.org/...hors/?nid=6570

                This piece was written while the author was completing a Master of Arts degree in Peace Studies at the Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies at the University of Notre Dame.)


                .LOL - LMAO - OH NO SANTA RUN!


                Merry Christmas!!

                And DON'T WORRY - WALMART will never stop selling imported Christmas junk so you'll always have Christmas materialistically anyhow.....

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                • #23
                  Re: Defending Christmas

                  Originally posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING View Post
                  The use of "Christmas" does not divide, it unites. Christmas has been a universal name for quite some time, embraced by all. It wasn't until this nation got littered with 900 different nationalities that started this undercurrent in the waters wanting personal freedom to choose by their own design.


                  It's been that way for decades, christians have a right to defend that helm and it will remain.

                  Just because it is public does not scrutinize the masses of who should go and who shouldn't.

                  If a jewish celebration is had once a year in the unity of that religion, so be it. It's their right.


                  Just like a black family reunion... it doesn't need to be called multi-national day just because whitey wants a part of the festivities.

                  That's how it works.

                  I don't hear people complaining about Kwansa sp? which is a african american heritage holiday.

                  If someone doesn't like the word christmas in christmas walk, they are not invited. Don't come; we don't need you. Our crowds spoke volumes this year, and keeps getting bigger.
                  I was not talking about Christmas as "one's heritage", I was talking about when someone says they are italian American, irish American, german American or anything American and starts waving those country flags. We can still be proud of where our folks or grandparents immigrated from without over shadowing the big picture which is we are all Americans!

                  Those of us who share in the tradition of Christmas are not trying to exclude folks who celebrate a different holiday, we just want to keep our tradition alive. I heard yesterday that another American city has changed the name of the Christmas parade to the holiday parade, makes me sick!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Defending Christmas

                    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                    American city has changed the name of the Christmas parade to the holiday parade, makes me sick!

                    "America" is supposed to be the "melting pot" of the world.....

                    So with that said.....Isn't it smarter, and more plausible to let others be included in a celebration?

                    I mean, Maybe the fact that we have been calling all these "HOLIDAY" parades Christmas Parades has been wrong all along....

                    I mean my wife is Jewish.....So does this mean my town should also have a "Hanukkah" parade as well?

                    So by my understanding we should have "separate" parades for each holiday?

                    Who is going to pay for all the streets to be closed and etc?

                    I think renaming it and including other faiths and Holidays that are happening at the same time is not only smart, but it builds a stronger community ( everyone can feel welcomed ) and also saves tax money if you think about it......


                    No?

                    .......

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                    • #25
                      Re: Defending Christmas

                      Happy Festivus! A Festivus for the rest of us

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                      • #26
                        Re: Defending Christmas

                        Originally posted by PlumbingSkool View Post
                        "America" is supposed to be the "melting pot" of the world.....

                        So with that said.....Isn't it smarter, and more plausible to let others be included in a celebration?

                        I mean, Maybe the fact that we have been calling all these "HOLIDAY" parades Christmas Parades has been wrong all along....

                        I mean my wife is Jewish.....So does this mean my town should also have a "Hanukkah" parade as well?

                        So by my understanding we should have "separate" parades for each holiday?

                        Who is going to pay for all the streets to be closed and etc?

                        I think renaming it and including other faiths and Holidays that are happening at the same time is not only smart, but it builds a stronger community ( everyone can feel welcomed ) and also saves tax money if you think about it......


                        No?

                        .......
                        Yes, you are right. While I see your point and agree, I still have this feeling of loss for what was a long standing tradition in many towns. I feel Christmas has been it's own holiday and was celebrated a such. I don't know how it would work in the future if there was just one winter holiday season parade. Let's assume christians and jews share the limelight, but in all fairness such a celebration would have to include an endless number of faiths, eventually it might be too big to work?

                        Can you imagine the Thanksgiving holiday suddenly being deemed wrong because it did not include folks who celebrate a different occasion around the same time?

                        Maybe we should keep the celebrations of faith based holidays separate? I almost feel there is some sort of plot to erase our history if it doesn't fit a particular groups likes. Similar to removing crosses and other religious symbols from text books of American history. American was settled and expanded by christians, like it or not! Jew, muslims and other religions did not have the same influence on our history. All faiths should have a fair opportunity to express their holiday, but how is that done and grandness of Christmas not lost in the mix?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Defending Christmas

                          Originally posted by PlumbingSkool View Post
                          "America" is supposed to be the "melting pot" of the world.....

                          So with that said.....Isn't it smarter, and more plausible to let others be included in a celebration?

                          I mean, Maybe the fact that we have been calling all these "HOLIDAY" parades Christmas Parades has been wrong all along....

                          I mean my wife is Jewish.....So does this mean my town should also have a "Hanukkah" parade as well?

                          So by my understanding we should have "separate" parades for each holiday?

                          Who is going to pay for all the streets to be closed and etc?

                          I think renaming it and including other faiths and Holidays that are happening at the same time is not only smart, but it builds a stronger community ( everyone can feel welcomed ) and also saves tax money if you think about it......


                          No?

                          .......
                          I believe you and Frank are talking about two different things. We have gone from where a traditional "Christmas" event which are almost always inclusive of other faiths and now being attacked by PC police who want to take "Christmas" out of "Christmas".

                          Mark
                          "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

                          I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Defending Christmas

                            I don't know, I guess I just don't see it that way. "Christmas" is... well, "Christmas", but only to those of us who believe in "Christ"... or perhaps to spread that around a little, to those of us who believe in "Christian" celebration. Of course, being "Christian" shouldn't be taking away anything from anyone else. Being "Christian" should also be understanding that there are others and that we need to recognize and embrace our differences.

                            Other faiths have similar beliefs. They just have different terminology and practices. But generally they too, are believing in their own form of charity toward others. Generally speaking, only when religion is politicized or made self-serving does it get ugly. Such is the way with "extremist" under any symbol.

                            So really, what is wrong with the fact that maybe the local store owners, or the newspapers, radio, and television media, that their commercials support, want to embrace ALL of the local population, regardless of their beliefs (or dis-beliefs) and call it a "Holiday" parade or what ever?

                            That doesn't mean that you and your family can't refer to it as the "Christmas" parade, or the Hannuka parade, or whatever! Heck, the "Santa Claus" parade certainly isn't "Christmas", or even religious, but it sure is popular and I don't think many of us have had a problem with that. Up here in Corning, NY, we have "Sparkle"... I wonder if that offends anyone? (It's been "Sparkle" for over 30 years, and it was the downtown merchants and the local "Chamber" that decided that... not any particular religious or political group. In any case, it gives all interested attendees a chance to go downtown and freeze their buns off while they wander up and down Market Street.

                            As far as this "Italian-American", "Black-American", Chinese-American, or whatever-American is concerned. I think I'm a bit jealous (NOT), as I can't identify with any of that. I often refer to myself as a "Mongrel-American"... as theres a bit of everything mixed in there... British, Irish, German, and even a wee bit of Cherokee (but as my Italian-Polish-American wife has said, "One nose-bleed and I'm out of the tribe!") Bottom line is who really cares, I love meatballs, pasta, sausage, fried chicken and cornbread, and rice and teriyaki. Makes little difference because of my heritage, but my taste-buds like pretty much all of it.

                            I think we make too much of labels, and way too much of our own sensitivities. "Christmas" or "Hannuka" or "Kwanzaa" or "Happy Holidays", it makes no difference except how you pray, who you pray too, and how you treat your fellow man. Throwing labels or defending labels makes little difference, except to demean the holiday of your own beliefs.

                            A long, long time ago I learned a simple quote by John Stuart Mill. It's not word for word, but this is how I remember it:

                            "If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion;
                            and that one, were of a different opinion;
                            mankind would have no more right in silencing that one;
                            then he, if he had the power, to silence mankind"

                            To me that means that we are all entitled to believe and to express those beliefs, as long as they do not harm. And no one, regardless of majority or power, has the right to enfringe upon the rights of that individual. In other words, we do not have to accept their opinion, but we all must defend their right to have it.

                            So, when you attend your "Christmas" celebration, remember that "Christian" is not only a religious belief, but it is also a behaviour that recognizes, accepts, and is cheritable to others.

                            I do not have to defend "Christmas", only enjoy and put it into practice.

                            CWS

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                            • #29
                              Re: Defending Christmas

                              Well well well its happening to you in the US the politically correct are rampant in Australia where publicly celabrating Christmas and singing Christmas carrols is a no no.

                              Tony

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                              • #30
                                Re: Defending Christmas

                                Originally posted by Beans View Post
                                Happy Festivus! A Festivus for the rest of us

                                I'm putting up the aluminum pole this weekend.

                                I might as well tell everybody now how disappointed I am with you.

                                The feats of strength are Festivus Eve, and Festivus isn't over until I get defeated.

                                Basically, Festivus is a daily thing..............
                                I'm on "The List" and I love it!!

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