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  • #31
    Re: Verizon strike

    Originally posted by TheMaster View Post
    Here is a textbook representation of Union thinking. They think they are entitled.



    Good Video's!

    The Unions act like all that work belongs to them.
    Last edited by Flux; 08-09-2011, 10:38 PM.

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    • #32
      Re: Verizon strike

      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
      $80,000 is not a big salary after taxes
      Frank...please call me to your house for a Plumbing problem.

      You will say "Ouch" after I hand you a bill.

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      • #33
        Re: Verizon strike

        I am not a farmers union member, nor NFO, or any other farmer type Union,
        IMO, Farmers Union is a socialistic nearly communist in nature, they do not fight for a fair price for commodities only for government hand outs and more government control of the farm or farmer, in the disguise of helping the farmer. Nor IMO do they fight for a fair farm or trade policy's.

        from what I can find and recall, in 1977 there was a farm strike called by a grass roots group called the American Agriculture Movement (AAM) The movement began in Springfield, Colorado, where a group of farmers got together and developed the strike idea,
        (I do believe it was supported by and encouraged by the various "Farmers Unions type groups")
        and that was for December 14 1977, and the demand was for a fair price on the commodities that were produced, and were keep low by government intervention and policy, (and the idea was not to buy or sell any thing until things improved, for the most part all it ended up doing was hurting the small towns and businesses, as the government had plenty of grain in reserves at that time.),
        it was not for Government hand outs, but for a fair price. In 74 and 75 wheat was around the $6 dollar a bushel and by 1977 it was down to about $2 a bushel,
        Push sticks/blocks Save Fingers
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        "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good."
        attributed to Samuel Johnson
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        PUBLIC NOTICE: Due to recent budget cuts, the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil...plus the current state of the economy............the light at the end of the tunnel, has been turned off.

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        • #34
          Re: Verizon strike

          Originally posted by Flux View Post
          Frank...please call me to your house for a Plumbing problem.

          You will say "Ouch" after I hand you a bill.
          No need, I can do all my own plumbing. The only problem I've had so far is the chinese junk home depot sells. Don't you feel guilty, earning so much off your customers? Well, neither did I.

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          • #35
            Re: Verizon strike

            Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
            Don't you feel guilty, earning so much off your customers? Well, neither did I.
            Exactly!

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            • #36
              Re: Verizon strike

              "Where's that computer made you're typing on?"


              J.C.


              J.C., in doing God's work I have been forced to deal with devil. This seems the be the only way to communicate with those who wish to trash our proud history and support a brutal communist regime. I urge you Union nay sayers to repent! Support the American worker, the hard working Union man because you won't want to pay for all the non taxpaying illegals who burden our society alone! If I had to, I could afford the services of a American plumber, could you afford what a poor person could pay? You may do some charitable work now, but if enough folks are forced to work for slave wages there won't be enough well off folks left to keep you going. Well, maybe you guys could work on eachothers homes, the rest of us will use the woods.

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              • #37
                Re: Verizon strike

                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                "Where's that computer made you're typing on?"


                J.C.


                J.C., in doing God's work I have been forced to deal with devil. This seems the be the only way to communicate with those who wish to trash our proud history and support a brutal communist regime. I urge you Union nay sayers to repent! Support the American worker, the hard working Union man because you won't want to pay for all the non taxpaying illegals who burden our society alone! If I had to, I could afford the services of a American plumber, could you afford what a poor person could pay? You may do some charitable work now, but if enough folks are forced to work for slave wages there won't be enough well off folks left to keep you going. Well, maybe you guys could work on eachothers homes, the rest of us will use the woods.

                Since you keep bringing up Communism, a Union is always more Communistic than Non-Union. Always, always, always.

                A Union is an organized group attempting to control wage, benefits, and means of production. That's Communism.

                The Non-Union/Free Market is based on supply and demand without attempts at organizational control. That's Capitalism.

                Communism, in general, can't compete with Capitalism in a Free Market of supply and demand so the Communists (Unions) hate it. The NY videos are proof of this.


                J.C.
                Last edited by BobsPlumbing; 08-09-2011, 11:27 PM.

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                • #38
                  Re: Verizon strike

                  Originally posted by Flux View Post
                  You should move out of California...you're fighting a losing battle there.

                  California is absolutely "stunning" with lots of great places to see, but I feel sorry for those blue collar workers trying to make a living there.
                  I am hoping to verbalize to help others see what they are doing to themselves before the disease takes complete hold of the nation.
                  I am aware of how anoying it must be for some members here and I appreciate their patience with my pitch.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Verizon strike

                    "Sweatshops is nothing more than a "cliche" that Union backers like to throw around, but yet won't admit to the "fact" we have laws """"against"""" that type of activity in this country. "
                    We have laws against speeding, but I will bet most of the posters have done it--we have laws against rape, but it happens time after time--we have laws against scams, rip offs in general and Ponzi schemes, but it happens. Besides, who do you think pushed to get those laws passed? The sweatshop owners? I don't think so.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Verizon strike

                      Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
                      Since you keep bringing up Communism, a Union is always more Communistic than Non-Union. Always, always, always.

                      A Union is an organized group attempting to control wage, benefits, and means of production. That's Communism.

                      The Non-Union/Free Market is based on supply and demand without attempts at organizational control. That's Capitalism.

                      Communism, in general, can't compete with Capitalism in a Free Market of supply and demand so the Communists (Unions) hate it. The NY videos are proof of this.


                      J.C.
                      J.C., if you meant to make me laugh it worked. Please tell me you don't believe a single word you wrote. We are living proof of what happens when capitalism "competes" in a free market against communism! Capitalists do just fine as long as they turn their back to the American worker and the rest of America goes to hell, does that make you feel good? You would honestly choose to enrich communist china than employ Americans who beling to Unions? I wonder how far you would get selling that line about Unions to the communists? They would flatten you under a tank or lock you up.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Verizon strike

                        Btw, Verizon is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or conviction of anyone caught sabotaging their property. Since the strike started, it's quite ironic that power,cable,and telephone lines are being cut intentionally.

                        I wonder who's doing that?

                        Why do Unions deem it necessary to resort to criminal activity if they don't get their way? There is a clear history of that since the inception of Unions.

                        Communism is all about the word "force"...when I think of Unions, it's funny how that word "force" is used a lot in their tactics.

                        I go to church at least once a month, and I never hear a Priest preaching that God wanted us to "force" anyone to do anything. Right Frank?

                        So why should we force people in this country to buy Union or join a Union?

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                        • #42
                          Re: Verizon strike

                          Originally posted by Flux View Post
                          Btw, Verizon is offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or conviction of anyone caught sabotaging their property. Since the strike started, it's quite ironic that power,cable,and telephone lines are being cut intentionally.

                          I wonder who's doing that?

                          Why do Unions deem it necessary to resort to criminal activity if they don't get their way? There is a clear history of that since the inception of Unions.

                          Communism is all about the word "force"...when I think of Unions, it's funny how that word "force" is used a lot in their tactics.

                          I go to church at least once a month, and I never hear a Priest preaching that God wanted us to "force" anyone to do anything. Right Frank?

                          So why should we force people in this country to buy Union or join a Union?
                          Open a history book! The christian faith is built upon bodies stacked high, where have you been? Read about the history of Unions and how pinkerton guards (thugs) killed Americans trying to organize labor. We use force to bend people to our way of thinking in iraq, afghanistan and every other place in the world. How do you think we fought against the british during the revolution? Labor in this country is at war, make no doubt. Organized labor is literally fighting to protect jobs and benefits from those who wish to destroy their standard of living and way of life. How would you react to a mandate calling for "heating and plumbing" trademen to earn no more than minimum wage? If you were in your right mind you would do whatever was necessary to stop the injustice. Organized labor including verizon workers will not take steps backwards, it is unAmerican to give into bullies. Your problem is that you are confused about who is wrong here. You defend the wrong folks and demonize Unions because of some misinformation or bad past experience, In either case, it is the plight of the working person above the person who sits on his butt in my opinion. If you ever pick up a histroy book on christianity you will learn that right behind the cross was a army ready, willing and able to force their will, the will of their God. Amen brother.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Verizon strike

                            You tell me who uses force and violence to get their way?
                            "Strike breaking and union busting, 1890s-1935Hiring agencies specializing in anti-union practices has been an option available to employers from the bloody strikes of the last quarter of the nineteenth century, until today.[2]

                            Creative methods of union busting have been around for a long time. In 1907, Morris Friedman reported that a Pinkerton agent who had infiltrated the Western Federation of Miners managed to gain control of a strike relief fund, and attempted to exhaust that union's treasury by awarding lavish benefits to strikers.[3] However, many attacks against unions have used brute force of one sort or another, including police action, military force, or recruiting goon squads.

                            [edit] Brute force attacks against unionsUnions such as the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) were devastated by the Palmer Raids, carried out as part of the First Red Scare. The Everett Massacre (also known as Bloody Sunday) was an armed confrontation between local authorities and IWW members which took place in Everett, Washington on Sunday, November 5, 1916. Later, communist-led unions were isolated or destroyed, and their activists purged with the assistance of other union organizations, during the Second Red Scare.

                            [edit] Union busting with military forceFor approximately 150 years, union organizing efforts and strikes have been periodically opposed by police, security forces, National Guard units, special police forces such as the Coal and Iron Police, and/or use of the United States Army. Significant incidents have included the Haymarket Riot and the Ludlow massacre. The Homestead struggle of 1892, the Pullman walkout of 1894, and the Colorado Labor Wars of 1903 are examples of unions destroyed or significantly damaged by the deployment of military force. In all three examples, a strike became the triggering event.

                            Pinkertons and militia at Homestead, 1892 - One of the first union busting agencies was the Pinkerton National Detective Agency, which came to public attention as the result of a shooting war between strikers and three hundred Pinkerton agents during the Homestead Strike of 1892. When the Pinkerton agents were withdrawn, militia forces were deployed. The decisive defeat of a powerful strike resulted in the destruction of the local union.
                            Federal troops crush the American Railway Union, 1894 - During the Pullman Strike, the American Railway Union (ARU) committed one of the first great acts of union solidarity by calling out its members according to the principle of industrial unionism. The action was very successful until twenty thousand federal troops were called out to crush the strike, and the national ARU was destroyed.
                            National Guard in the Colorado Labor Wars, 1903 - The Colorado National Guard, an employers' organization called the Citizens' Alliance, and the Mine Owners' Association teamed together to eject the Western Federation of Miners from mining camps throughout "

                            The list is too long, you really need to pick up a book and learn about history!

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                            • #44
                              Re: Verizon strike

                              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                              J.C., if you meant to make me laugh it worked. Please tell me you don't believe a single word you wrote. We are living proof of what happens when capitalism "competes" in a free market against communism! Capitalists do just fine as long as they turn their back to the American worker and the rest of America goes to hell, does that make you feel good? You would honestly choose to enrich communist china than employ Americans who beling to Unions? I wonder how far you would get selling that line about Unions to the communists? They would flatten you under a tank or lock you up.
                              Franki, you always make me laugh in regards to your Communistic Union. Incorrect conclusions......again.

                              While the country may politically follow communism, it very much participates in the free market of Capitalism inviting companies from around the world to use their people and resources.

                              Many Capitalists turn their backs on country for the bottom line. I'm guessing Verizon will do it as well in the not too distant future. My feeling good or bad about it does not matter.

                              I would prefer to help those closer in proximity and/or in the continental U.S. participating in a true Free Market with the same requirements in manufacturing.

                              Unions and Communism are the same in basic form. Hu Jintao is just another Union leader.

                              Verizon might be getting sold and the Union slowly going away. I'm watching....


                              J.C.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Verizon strike

                                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                                Open a history book! The christian faith is built upon bodies stacked high, where have you been? Read about the history of Unions and how pinkerton guards (thugs) killed Americans trying to organize labor. We use force to bend people to our way of thinking in iraq, afghanistan and every other place in the world. How do you think we fought against the british during the revolution? Labor in this country is at war, make no doubt. Organized labor is literally fighting to protect jobs and benefits from those who wish to destroy their standard of living and way of life. How would you react to a mandate calling for "heating and plumbing" trademen to earn no more than minimum wage? If you were in your right mind you would do whatever was necessary to stop the injustice. Organized labor including verizon workers will not take steps backwards, it is unAmerican to give into bullies. Your problem is that you are confused about who is wrong here. You defend the wrong folks and demonize Unions because of some misinformation or bad past experience, In either case, it is the plight of the working person above the person who sits on his butt in my opinion. If you ever pick up a histroy book on christianity you will learn that right behind the cross was a army ready, willing and able to force their will, the will of their God. Amen brother.
                                No Frank...I defend capitalism.

                                Our Military uses "force" to preserve life,liberty and freedom..NOT Benefits,healthcare, and wages!!!

                                If I don't like my wages as a Plumbing & Heating Contractor, I get into something else that will satisfy my financial obligations. Nobody is forcing me to be a Plumbing & heating contractor, I "chose" to go this route, and if I don't like the wages...I move on...it's that simple.

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