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  • #16
    Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

    Seem that we can end up fighting each other more then focus on the real problem and that the five hundred or more people who are elected to runs our Government. I seem to see a trend of blaming just the President, which i all for right now cause he part of that group.
    They also seem to have us divided along party lines and work classes , which is to their avantage. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. I dont like Union running us private guys out of jobs we can get but i will say this. IF it was not for UNIONS we get pay a whole lot less and be treat more like dirt.
    No one is government is willing to do their job cause they scare to lose votes, the system to which we judge a leader is base on how good they give a speech it seems or what they promise us , which in most cases is a lie.
    As long as we fight each other and use scare tactic like words like socialism and communist we will be the ones losing cause the Government thrives on us being divided.
    Seem now we forget that the Government and the big Corps are usually in bed with each other and when i here Corp like Microsolf laying off people and then i heard the billions Gates makes off the back of those workers ,,,,,man i just think that a crime even if its not in the law books.
    They are now and watch the change of events looking for ways to increase our taxes and make us pay for their future and thier friends. The only people that are making it big now is them and the Leader we elect and when President Hope gets out of Offices he a millionaire, think he gives a rip about you or me. I doubt that. But we are the ones who keep electing the guys who promise us **** and we are the people who think we have some sort of power to change this mess. Wake up HOW long do any of you remember really fixing any of this grap since you been voting or in your life time.,,,,,,,,,COME ON what has been fix ,,,,NOTHING. not one dam topic we can bring up as been fix, change to work better, or even follow thru on. BORDERS , Which ones ,,,,,not fix ,,,,Tax system , Nothing , and that the biggest thing in my opinion that infringed on our freedoms as American.
    We allow our leaders to get away with so many crimes , what the point in fighting each other over views of who right and wrong when we are all in the same boat sooner of later.
    He right about it will be me and you having to walk those street if people keep losing jobs. But hey we probably would not vote in a real Patriot cause he sound like a radical and the Media would slander him until we voted for some one else. The System protects itself in our America and its care nothing about you unless you bring alot of votes with you. So mine and yall opinions wont get us a invite to the table anyway.
    Whether some are fake asses out their protesting or not at least they are standing up for what ever they may believe. I give them that.
    By the way no one deserve a hand out but we do deserve a Government that works for us the people and not the world and the Corp only.

    Anyway suggest stop giving our money to foriegn country since we are broke and if we did could we not affford to provide health care for most americans at a affordable price. Could not we bring our soldiers home and protect America at the borders and the entry ways to her.
    Could we not have given the money to each home owner if the housing crisis was the reason for all this and not to the TOO BIG TO FAIL CORPS. then they would have got pay. problem fix .
    Like Trump said are we going to continue letting other country rape us and still keep letting our Big Corps take jobs over seas because its cheaper.
    How do you compete with some one in china building a product and a union worker here. We cant. cause of cost. But we can shut our borders like New Zealand does to certain products. We can if we had the Leaders willing to Lead and not what we have a bunch of liars who main interests is their career in politics.

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    • #17
      Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
      I'll play along, but this is my last post tonight I'm beat. Flux I am more than mad when I read negative posts directed towards Unions and in support of big business and politicians who attack Union members. I worked hard for thirty years and during that time I lost months of wages in exchange for better pay and benefits. That's how it worked. Now after all that time I see other hard working Union and non Union workers losing their dreams not because they are greedy or lazy, but because big business didn't give a dam about our country and neither did the politicians all these years. Flux you completely ignored all my points about the loss of income to the middle class and how it will impact everyone yourself included. I know you think you don't need Unions, and that's fine. Millions of folks who work for big business and government do need Unions and profit through their membership. If Unions are hanging onto the past then thank them because the future looks pretty bleek without them. Unions are more important today than ever. Never in the past was America in such jeopardy. You guys just don't get it, you just don't see how serious the situation is out there. Look beyond your personal lives. Flux I'm not suggesting you charge your rich customers more than your middle class customers. I am suggesting you open your eyes and strongly support your middle class customers because if they keep losing money due to the economy and the antilabor environment you will be in trouble at some point. You may not agree with my predictions but I think they are sound. Lastly to abbott. I support those Union guys in the video to a point. I don't support occupying a park and crapping it up, by anyone Union or otherwise. They are in a battle to keep their standard of living in a dying economy. I wish them success. I think we are all doomed because the folks who can really make a difference are moving in reverse. Our legislators sat by and watched as millions of American jobs went away. They sat by quietly democratic and republican administrations alike as millions of illegals came into our country. I am beyond mad for the injustice aimed at the working person, who pays his taxes, raises his family, supports his community and gets disrespect and insults in return from folks who benefit from his labor. Folks who have no problem with the politicains, illegals or business people who enjoy selling to Americans but can't afford to employ them! Good night guys.
      I ignore your points Frank cause they are nothing but talking points. They are the same tired arguments from people who already have more than what most people get in life. Unions went from being noble to down right greed and they are no worst than the people you claim are the bad guys.

      I don't support groups who demand,force, or try to take, because they feel entitled. That's not the American way and it's not the Christian way Frank. You're misguided to think big business craves Unions as it's nothing more than a job killer in this country. Without big business and the tax payer the Unions have absolutely nothing...and don't forget that Frank. Your way of thinking is not working so well in Greece now is it? It doesn't work frank, and eventually it will start collapsing economies, and the Unions will be right smack dab in the middle of it. You can't show me 1 Country anywhere in where your Union philosophy is prosperous...why is that Frank? Show me one Frank...that's all I'm asking. Show me where giveaway's from the tax payer to Union employees have made Countries prosperous.

      The "shut up and pay me" tactics that the Union likes to "force" (there's that word again) on the tax payer, is what ticks people off.

      Class warfare is worse now in this country, because we have a dictator in the white house who believes in Karl Marx, and his socialist ideas. Read his book Frank...look who his mentors were, and who he gives credit for molding him into the person he is today. He believes in taking from one group and just giving it to another. That kind of crap will start a civil war in this country...and that's something none of us here want to see...I certainly don't.

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      • #18
        Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

        Originally posted by Flux View Post
        I ignore your points Frank cause they are nothing but talking points. They are the same tired arguments from people who already have more than what most people get in life. Unions went from being noble to down right greed and they are no worst than the people you claim are the bad guys.

        I don't support groups who demand,force, or try to take, because they feel entitled. That's not the American way and it's not the Christian way Frank. You're misguided to think big business craves Unions as it's nothing more than a job killer in this country. Without big business and the tax payer the Unions have absolutely nothing...and don't forget that Frank. Your way of thinking is not working so well in Greece now is it? It doesn't work frank, and eventually it will start collapsing economies, and the Unions will be right smack dab in the middle of it. You can't show me 1 Country anywhere in where your Union philosophy is prosperous...why is that Frank? Show me one Frank...that's all I'm asking. Show me where giveaway's from the tax payer to Union employees have made Countries prosperous.

        The "shut up and pay me" tactics that the Union likes to "force" (there's that word again) on the tax payer, is what ticks people off.

        Class warfare is worse now in this country, because we have a dictator in the white house who believes in Karl Marx, and his socialist ideas. Read his book Frank...look who his mentors were, and who he gives credit for molding him into the person he is today. He believes in taking from one group and just giving it to another. That kind of crap will start a civil war in this country...and that's something none of us here want to see...I certainly don't.
        Flux someone or something really twisted your mind in the wrong direction when it comes to Unions. Every business and person supported by a Union worker's income has benefitted from Unions. Every tradeperson they hired over the years shared from their hard work and contract negotiations. Without Union workers there would be no big business, I know that from working at verizon. The standard of living in this country would be more like that of the third world and folks like you would crying for more money. You should kiss the ground that Unions exist and Union members are willing to stand up and "demand" more so that YOU and others can have more. You have a real bug up your *** when it comes to Union folks fighting with big business to get more, but you have no problem with illegals, no problem with the welfare baby makers, no problem with the white collar criminals and the crooked politicians on both sides. We all take from one another in exchange for work and services with the exception of those who take and give back nothing. Union workers take and give back work, just like you take from your customers. You take more when your costs go up and that's alright, Union workers "Demand" more for the same reasons! The illegals getting medical coverage and college, the welfare moms, and the white collar criminals take and give back nothing, but they are fine with Flux.
        You want Union workers to lose money in this economy? Then lead by example and you give up your income after a hard days work. You think you work harder? Quit your job and try doing what I did for a living. A war between the classes does not bother me, a war within the same class disturbs me. That's what we have here, a bunch of working people arguing that those who are not self employed and represented by Unions should lose income to satisfy some twisted agenda. Pray it does not happen good christian because good Union christians and their familes will suffer and good nonUnion christians like you will also feel the loss. The Union money tainted and dirty? Then ask people upfront and refuse jobs so you can hold your head high and not be part of the demands and bullying and shut up tactics. Yeah, greece in falling and so America but if you blame Unions and remain blind to the other groups I mentioned you have no argument. Good christian? I am positive that is not the case!
        Last edited by Frankiarmz; 11-01-2011, 08:31 AM.

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        • #19
          Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
          Flux someone or something really twisted your mind in the wrong direction when it comes to Unions. Every business and person supported by a Union worker's income has benefitted from Unions. Every tradeperson they hired over the years shared from their hard work and contract negotiations. Without Union workers there would be no big business, I know that from working at verizon. The standard of living in this country would be more like that of the third world and folks like you would crying for more money. You should kiss the ground that Unions exist and Union members are willing to stand up and "demand" more so that YOU and others can have more. You have a real bug up your *** when it comes to Union folks fighting with big business to get more, but you have no problem with illegals, no problem with the welfare baby makers, no problem with the white collar criminals and the crooked politicians on both sides. We all take from one another in exchange for work and services with the exception of those who take and give back nothing. Union workers take and give back work, just like you take from your customers. You take more when your costs go up and that's alright, Union workers "Demand" more for the same reasons! The illegals getting medical coverage and college, the welfare moms, and the white collar criminals take and give back nothing, but they are fine with Flux.
          You want Union workers to lose money in this economy? Then lead by example and you give up your income after a hard days work. You think you work harder? Quit your job and try doing what I did for a living. A war between the classes does not bother me, a war within the same class disturbs me. That's what we have here, a bunch of working people arguing that those who are not self employed and represented by Unions should lose income to satisfy some twisted agenda. Pray it does not happen good christian because good Union christians and their familes will suffer and good nonUnion christians like you will also feel the loss. The Union money tainted and dirty? Then ask people upfront and refuse jobs so you can hold your head high and not be part of the demands and bullying and shut up tactics. Yeah, greece in falling and so America but if you blame Unions and remain blind to the other groups I mentioned you have no argument. Good christian? I am positive that is not the case!
          Unfortunately for you and the Unions Frank...it's been long over-due to reel in the spending. It's going to be painful for you to watch, but our Country will be better for it in the long run.

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          • #20
            Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

            WOW! What a day to join a forum.

            This is probably a post I should leave alone being new and all. So I will just make this short.

            The main stream media needs to be called out on this. They used to crucify the tea party folks
            who just held up signs and gathered to make a change in Washington. No fights, no messes to clean up
            and they couldn't afford to stay for weeks because they had jobs to go to. But on OWS they are
            either silent or endorsing them.

            And then you have the far left Hollywood crowd. Now there's a union to be proud of. A few of them
            making millions and all the rest are bartenders and waitresses barely getting by. I bet the OWS people
            are really proud of Alec Baldwin too. He makes millions pushing credit cards charging ridiculous interest rates.

            That's enough for my first post. Sorry but it was too hard to pass on this. This looks like it may be an interesting
            place, I'm glad I stopped by.
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            • #21
              Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

              Originally posted by rcroy72 View Post
              WOW! What a day to join a forum.

              This is probably a post I should leave alone being new and all. So I will just make this short.

              The main stream media needs to be called out on this. They used to crucify the tea party folks
              who just held up signs and gathered to make a change in Washington. No fights, no messes to clean up
              and they couldn't afford to stay for weeks because they had jobs to go to. But on OWS they are
              either silent or endorsing them.

              And then you have the far left Hollywood crowd. Now there's a union to be proud of. A few of them
              making millions and all the rest are bartenders and waitresses barely getting by. I bet the OWS people
              are really proud of Alec Baldwin too. He makes millions pushing credit cards charging ridiculous interest rates.

              That's enough for my first post. Sorry but it was too hard to pass on this. This looks like it may be an interesting
              place, I'm glad I stopped by.
              Welcome to the Forum. No need to shy away from any topic here, we have very different opinions from time to time but for the most part remain open to a spirited exchange. Frank

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              • #22
                Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                Flux someone or something really twisted your mind in the wrong direction when it comes to Unions. Every business and person supported by a Union worker's income has benefitted from Unions. Every tradeperson they hired over the years shared from their hard work and contract negotiations. Without Union workers there would be no big business, I know that from working at verizon. The standard of living in this country would be more like that of the third world and folks like you would crying for more money. You should kiss the ground that Unions exist and Union members are willing to stand up and "demand" more so that YOU and others can have more. You have a real bug up your *** when it comes to Union folks fighting with big business to get more, but you have no problem with illegals, no problem with the welfare baby makers, no problem with the white collar criminals and the crooked politicians on both sides. We all take from one another in exchange for work and services with the exception of those who take and give back nothing. Union workers take and give back work, just like you take from your customers. You take more when your costs go up and that's alright, Union workers "Demand" more for the same reasons! The illegals getting medical coverage and college, the welfare moms, and the white collar criminals take and give back nothing, but they are fine with Flux.
                You want Union workers to lose money in this economy? Then lead by example and you give up your income after a hard days work. You think you work harder? Quit your job and try doing what I did for a living. A war between the classes does not bother me, a war within the same class disturbs me. That's what we have here, a bunch of working people arguing that those who are not self employed and represented by Unions should lose income to satisfy some twisted agenda. Pray it does not happen good christian because good Union christians and their familes will suffer and good nonUnion christians like you will also feel the loss. The Union money tainted and dirty? Then ask people upfront and refuse jobs so you can hold your head high and not be part of the demands and bullying and shut up tactics. Yeah, greece in falling and so America but if you blame Unions and remain blind to the other groups I mentioned you have no argument. Good christian? I am positive that is not the case!

                Here you go again Frank Blar Blar Blar Blar

                Tony

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                • #23
                  Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                  Originally posted by AFM View Post
                  Here you go again Frank Blar Blar Blar Blar

                  Tony
                  Tony, if you can't tolerate my posts just ignore them. Simple to do. Blar, blar,blar I'm not about to change my positions on Unions because you or anyone else here does not agree. Frank

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