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    LOL - I'm not sure if this is a strike commercial or a true show of support.



    I'm guessing they did not all spend the night and are long gone by now.

    Mark
    "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

    I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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    Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

    With the storms on the East Coast this is going to be tough in a tent.





    Mark
    "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

    I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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      Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

      Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
      With the storms on the East Coast this is going to be tough in a tent.



      Mark
      Hey Mark,is there any more hot cocoa on the stove.
      Hand me the remote.

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      • #4
        Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

        Wow even Al Jazeera is reporting on this.



        Mark
        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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        • #5
          Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

          No surprise to any of you but I agree with everything said in that video with CWA Union members. You can joke about hot chocolate and the tv remote, but at some point when enough working Americans are out of work or losing income it will have a negative trickle down effect on you as well. The loss of American jobs in addition to give backs, cut backs and things like free medical care and college for illegals who don't pay into the system is going to reach a breaking point in my opinion. Those CWA workers represent tens of thousands of people who support not only their own families but local businesses. You guys who are self employed have said you can pass onto your customers any increases from your end, so you should be able to maintain your standard of living. I think it's a safe bet to predict if something is not done to bring back jobs and reverse these trends to take back from American workers, at some point everyone will suffer including you. I don't know about the people occupying the park, but those CWA workers work outside year round, heat and cold won't stop them. I don't think this is going away any time soon. Frank

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          • #6
            Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

            Frank, was that you at 17 seconds into the video?

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            • #7
              Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

              Originally posted by Abbott View Post
              Frank, was that you at 17 seconds into the video?
              No, I'm much better looking. You won't see me down there, I don't like crowds, I can't afford the commute and I've got some kind of damage to my inner ear so my balance is all off. I'll sit this one out.

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              • #8
                Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
                LOL - I'm not sure if this is a strike commercial or a true show of support.



                I'm guessing they did not all spend the night and are long gone by now.

                Mark
                Of course I have a couple of questions after watching this video...

                1. Since this was Verizon in this video, why are these people complaining about money, when the overwhelming majority of them with over time make close or over $100,000 with killer benefits?

                2. What's with the communist fist I saw through out the video?

                3. Did any of these people successfully pass the fundamentals of Math when they were in High School?

                4. Do any of these people realize that all 50 states are in the RED, and each state is spending more than they are taking in? ( see #3 again)

                5. Why do these people believe it's ok to "TAKE" from one group to "GIVE" it to another? If that philosophy is going to be the GOLD standard in this country, does anyone have Bill gates Address? I'd like to pay him a visit and let him know he "OWES" me money.

                Here is what i do agree with...

                1. People deserve to have a cost of living raise each year.

                2. Stop sending jobs overseas.

                3. It should be mandatory for everyone in this country to chip and or pay for their own benefits. Did this country forget what the word "benefit" actually means? Last time I looked, it wasn't a constitutional law for any employer to provide benefits. (Obama seemed to have passed a law that says otherwise)

                4. The current system is broken and is unsustainable. (see our deficit) (I took fundamentals of Math in 8th grade)

                5. We need to cut spending...and cut spending right now! All of this "raising the taxes on the rich" that everyone is crying like little b*tches about does absolutely nothing for our deficit. That philosophy is nothing more than a code word for "give it to the Unions"..and I'm against it.

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                • #9
                  Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                  Im just glad to be struggling and working hard to make a living for my family
                  Unlike most of the obuma lovers

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                  • #10
                    Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                    Originally posted by Flux View Post
                    Of course I have a couple of questions after watching this video...

                    1. Since this was Verizon in this video, why are these people complaining about money, when the overwhelming majority of them with over time make close or over $100,000 with killer benefits?

                    2. What's with the communist fist I saw through out the video?

                    3. Did any of these people successfully pass the fundamentals of Math when they were in High School?

                    4. Do any of these people realize that all 50 states are in the RED, and each state is spending more than they are taking in? ( see #3 again)

                    5. Why do these people believe it's ok to "TAKE" from one group to "GIVE" it to another? If that philosophy is going to be the GOLD standard in this country, does anyone have Bill gates Address? I'd like to pay him a visit and let him know he "OWES" me money.

                    Here is what i do agree with...

                    1. People deserve to have a cost of living raise each year.

                    2. Stop sending jobs overseas.

                    3. It should be mandatory for everyone in this country to chip and or pay for their own benefits. Did this country forget what the word "benefit" actually means? Last time I looked, it wasn't a constitutional law for any employer to provide benefits. (Obama seemed to have passed a law that says otherwise)

                    4. The current system is broken and is unsustainable. (see our deficit) (I took fundamentals of Math in 8th grade)

                    5. We need to cut spending...and cut spending right now! All of this "raising the taxes on the rich" that everyone is crying like little b*tches about does absolutely nothing for our deficit. That philosophy is nothing more than a code word for "give it to the Unions"..and I'm against it.
                    Flux, I'll try to address some of your questions.
                    1. They don't all make the kind of money you are talking about and anyone who works for a living has the right to complain, and btch if money (benefits) are taken away. How would you feel if you were told you could not pass your increased costs onto your customers? These folks don't want to lose income, only difference is that they are not you.
                    2. That fist is not communist, it is American. Remember there are no Unions in communist countries, no workers rights.
                    3.&4. Yes, they can count. Yes, they realize the country is screwed. They understand that working Americans paying medical benefits for illegals and sending them to college is insane. The system is broken and has been for a long time.
                    5.Taking from one group and giving to another seems to be the way of the world. Why is it okay for a profitable company like verizon to take back from it's employees? Why is verizon any better than the Union workers trying to take profits from verizon? Two way street Flux.

                    My take on the whole thing is that folks who work for big companies and small business owners alike would not need more income if we had a more stable economy which we do not! The states are in big, big trouble and cannot sustain services to the public or pay and benefits to their workers in a ever shrinking economy. We need to cut spending, require taxes from those who earn income and not keep the currrent system that allows loopholes. We need Americans to work, we need to produce most of what we consume, we need oil, affordable energy. We need legislators who work for America, not the global economy! The global economy does not give a dam about us. We need secure borders. We need public executions for those who misuse the public trust and commit fraud as well as violent crimes. why is madoff in jail and not on tv getting tortured to death? Why are we arguing and not on the same side? Think for a second how many trades suffer when the economy weakens? When the consumer strength of the middle class goes down because gasoline and heating oil is up and pay and benefits are down, every other business and worker that depended on them feels the loss. I think we all depend on one another is some way. In general people who work for big businesses, need tradespeople to do what they cannot. Tradepeople need customers. You can't and won't work unless you can make a profit and pay your bills. The same goes for the people in that video. I don't know if all of them are "obuma" lovers as Delcase suggests, but I guarantee they are working hard to make a living for their families! There are no magical fairies placing utility poles in the ground or running cables in the heat of the summer or cold of the winter. Obuma was not the answer I was looking for after Bush so I'll vote to take him out. I just hope and pray if a republican gets in, he has better luck and does better for our country. Struggling and working hard has not prevented folks from losing their jobs or homes in this economy. We need legislators who will secure our borders and bring back jobs, and uphold the laws of our land. Frank

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                    • #11
                      Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                      Flux, I'll try to address some of your questions.
                      1. They don't all make the kind of money you are talking about and anyone who works for a living has the right to complain, and btch if money (benefits) are taken away. How would you feel if you were told you could not pass your increased costs onto your customers? These folks don't want to lose income, only difference is that they are not you.Frank we have been through this on what money Verizon workers have been making.

                      2. That fist is not communist, it is American. Remember there are no Unions in communist countries, no workers rights. Frank, the fist represents communism and socialism...look it up, that information is easily available for you to find. Karl Marx seems to come to mind when I think of the fist...definitely not American lol

                      3.&4. Yes, they can count. Yes, they realize the country is screwed. They understand that working Americans paying medical benefits for illegals and sending them to college is insane. The system is broken and has been for a long time.If those same Union people are upset with illegals hurting our economy, then why do they vote for Democrats who want amnesty for illegals? See the Unions are caught in a bind here...they will glady over-look the Amnesty thing for billions in tax payer money they get easily from Democrats.

                      5.Taking from one group and giving to another seems to be the way of the world. Why is it okay for a profitable company like verizon to take back from it's employees? Why is verizon any better than the Union workers trying to take profits from verizon? Two way street Flux.
                      Frank, if those Verizon workers don't like their benefits or pay scale..maybe they should look for another job that will pay them what they think they deserve? The problem with Unions is they want to "force" companies, and that's not how it's suppose to work. Just because Union people work for Verizon, it doesn't mean they are entitled to the profits...they are not the CEO of Verizon...they are "employees". Being an employee means you're "employed" by a company, why is that so hard for the Unions to comprehend that? Did it ever occur to you that if Verizon's union employee's pay into their own benefits, Verizon could use their profits to create more jobs? Or don't you care about your other Union members? So let's look at it your way now...if Verizon caves into Union demands, and billions of their profits are spent on Union wages and benefits, what happens when it becomes un-sustainable for Verizon to continue to operate that way? Do they file bankruptcy? Wouldn't common sense say...it's easier to be thankful for a good paying job, then trying to be greedy and "forcing" a company to comply with our demands? The Liberal Gov. in California is going after Unions now....why is that Frank? The Union way is un-sustainable ..that's why.

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                        Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                        Originally posted by Flux View Post
                        Frank, if those Verizon workers don't like their benefits or pay scale..maybe they should look for another job that will pay them what they think they deserve? The problem with Unions is they want to "force" companies, and that's not how it's suppose to work. Just because Union people work for Verizon, it doesn't mean they are entitled to the profits...they are not the CEO of Verizon...they are "employees". Being an employee means you're "employed" by a company, why is that so hard for the Unions to comprehend that? Did it ever occur to you that if Verizon's union employee's pay into their own benefits, Verizon could use their profits to create more jobs? Or don't you care about your other Union members? So let's look at it your way now...if Verizon caves into Union demands, and billions of their profits are spent on Union wages and benefits, what happens when it becomes un-sustainable for Verizon to continue to operate that way? Do they file bankruptcy? Wouldn't common sense say...it's easier to be thankful for a good paying job, then trying to be greedy and "forcing" a company to comply with our demands? The Liberal Gov. in California is going after Unions now....why is that Frank? The Union way is un-sustainable ..that's why.
                        Flux, that fist held by those Union workers is American and you can refer to communism all you want it won't change a dam thing. Those gray haired guys served in vietnam, I know cause I worked with them. they served their country. They are not going to look for anohter job after years of working for verizon and there are no jobs to be hard theat's why tens of millions of Americans are out of work. There is nothing wrong with the Union way because it made America strong and the work place safer. The Union way allowed millions to buy homes and cars and send their kids to college. What's wrong with America is the *** backwards antiUnion thinking that says big business can send jobs to other countries and still expect our standard of living to sustain itself. Trust me flux when the Unions fail and enough workers lose enough money everyone wil feel the loss. You think they are being greedy for wanting to maintain their standard of living and current benefits? What does that say of the self employed trademen and their need and desire to do the same by passing on costs? there is no difference. The liberal gov in CA can't deal with the illegals so it's easier to go after working folks. Reminds me of how they go after the tea party to tow the line and the lette of the law but look the other way with the park dwellers. Working middle class, Union and otherwise is the backbone of our country. Force them to lose income and buying power and the end won't be far off. The price of gasoline and heating oil is up a dollar a gallon from last year, food is up, they raised the tolls on all the bridges , the working man is the one who is hurting, NOT verizon! Verizon is making it's billion dollar profit while paying those benefits and you want to demonize the working man? Common sense is not that common. You think I'm wrong and I feel the same about you. No sense in beating this dead horse. I'll let you have the last word, I'm sure the Forum would appreciate another attack on working folks who employ tradespeople. Frank

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                          Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                          Reminds me of how they go after the tea party to tow the line and the lette of the law but look the other way with the park dwellers.
                          So you are against the park dwellers but with the union people who are park dwellers. A lot of the "park dwellers" are union people and/or have been paid by some of the unions to stay at the parks (all over the country) and protest.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                            Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                            Flux, that fist held by those Union workers is American and you can refer to communism all you want it won't change a dam thing. Those gray haired guys served in vietnam, I know cause I worked with them. they served their country. They are not going to look for anohter job after years of working for verizon and there are no jobs to be hard theat's why tens of millions of Americans are out of work. There is nothing wrong with the Union way because it made America strong and the work place safer. The Union way allowed millions to buy homes and cars and send their kids to college. What's wrong with America is the *** backwards antiUnion thinking that says big business can send jobs to other countries and still expect our standard of living to sustain itself. Trust me flux when the Unions fail and enough workers lose enough money everyone wil feel the loss. You think they are being greedy for wanting to maintain their standard of living and current benefits? What does that say of the self employed trademen and their need and desire to do the same by passing on costs? there is no difference. The liberal gov in CA can't deal with the illegals so it's easier to go after working folks. Reminds me of how they go after the tea party to tow the line and the lette of the law but look the other way with the park dwellers. Working middle class, Union and otherwise is the backbone of our country. Force them to lose income and buying power and the end won't be far off. The price of gasoline and heating oil is up a dollar a gallon from last year, food is up, they raised the tolls on all the bridges , the working man is the one who is hurting, NOT verizon! Verizon is making it's billion dollar profit while paying those benefits and you want to demonize the working man? Common sense is not that common. You think I'm wrong and I feel the same about you. No sense in beating this dead horse. I'll let you have the last word, I'm sure the Forum would appreciate another attack on working folks who employ tradespeople. Frank
                            Frank, how come when facts are presented to you, you get all mad?

                            Why is it that Unions "think" they represent the American working class, when they are actually in the minority? According to the bureau of labor statistics, we have 14.7 million Union workers(if Im reading it right) in the United states...why does the Union feel the need to think they represent the majority of working class who are not in Unions? The Unions don't represent me, and I don't need them talking for me, as I don't believe in the philosophy of taking from the rich to give it to others.

                            Words like take, force and demand are only words that are associated with Unions, and that's not something to be proud of Frank. The Unions are trying to hang on to the past, and while it was beneficial back then...it certainly isn't today.

                            If I use your philosophy that you stated above...I should charge my rich customers more money than my middle class customers, just because they have it. I wonder how my rich customers would feel about that Frank?

                            I mean after all..we are all middle class and tradesman on this forum, and we are entitled to things in life...right?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Occupy Wall Street part Deux

                              Originally posted by Flux View Post
                              Frank, how come when facts are presented to you, you get all mad?

                              Why is it that Unions "think" they represent the American working class, when they are actually in the minority? According to the bureau of labor statistics, we have 14.7 million Union workers(if Im reading it right) in the United states...why does the Union feel the need to think they represent the majority of working class who are not in Unions? The Unions don't represent me, and I don't need them talking for me, as I don't believe in the philosophy of taking from the rich to give it to others.

                              Words like take, force and demand are only words that are associated with Unions, and that's not something to be proud of Frank. The Unions are trying to hang on to the past, and while it was beneficial back then...it certainly isn't today.

                              If I use your philosophy that you stated above...I should charge my rich customers more money than my middle class customers, just because they have it. I wonder how my rich customers would feel about that Frank?

                              I mean after all..we are all middle class and tradesman on this forum, and we are entitled to things in life...right?
                              I'll play along, but this is my last post tonight I'm beat. Flux I am more than mad when I read negative posts directed towards Unions and in support of big business and politicians who attack Union members. I worked hard for thirty years and during that time I lost months of wages in exchange for better pay and benefits. That's how it worked. Now after all that time I see other hard working Union and non Union workers losing their dreams not because they are greedy or lazy, but because big business didn't give a dam about our country and neither did the politicians all these years. Flux you completely ignored all my points about the loss of income to the middle class and how it will impact everyone yourself included. I know you think you don't need Unions, and that's fine. Millions of folks who work for big business and government do need Unions and profit through their membership. If Unions are hanging onto the past then thank them because the future looks pretty bleek without them. Unions are more important today than ever. Never in the past was America in such jeopardy. You guys just don't get it, you just don't see how serious the situation is out there. Look beyond your personal lives. Flux I'm not suggesting you charge your rich customers more than your middle class customers. I am suggesting you open your eyes and strongly support your middle class customers because if they keep losing money due to the economy and the antilabor environment you will be in trouble at some point. You may not agree with my predictions but I think they are sound. Lastly to abbott. I support those Union guys in the video to a point. I don't support occupying a park and crapping it up, by anyone Union or otherwise. They are in a battle to keep their standard of living in a dying economy. I wish them success. I think we are all doomed because the folks who can really make a difference are moving in reverse. Our legislators sat by and watched as millions of American jobs went away. They sat by quietly democratic and republican administrations alike as millions of illegals came into our country. I am beyond mad for the injustice aimed at the working person, who pays his taxes, raises his family, supports his community and gets disrespect and insults in return from folks who benefit from his labor. Folks who have no problem with the politicains, illegals or business people who enjoy selling to Americans but can't afford to employ them! Good night guys.

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