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    Vice President Biden said Romney no more qualified to be President than a plumber! Where do we begin to examine that remark? I'll leave the details to the Forum, but I think it was a remark he will regret having said. Personally, I would be both honored, and very at ease to have a plumber as President.

    I hope Romney uses that remark for his campaign as a attribute! Biden just compared Romney to a professioanl who gets the jobs done, can relate to the public, understands economics and can run a successful business!

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    Frankie. I think you are forgetting the last election. I do believe there was a "make believe" plumber in that one.

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      I think I must agree. While I do like Joe Biden, it is apparent to me that his statement is an affront to most of the plumbers that I know and/or know of. There's probably any number of the pro's here that I would vote for, long before I would vote for a chameleon like Romney!

      CWS

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        I cant wait til this dope and his boss are both out on there *** this January.
        26+6=1

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          Originally posted by CWSmith View Post
          I think I must agree. While I do like Joe Biden, it is apparent to me that his statement is an affront to most of the plumbers that I know and/or know of. There's probably any number of the pro's here that I would vote for, long before I would vote for a chameleon like Romney!

          CWS
          CWS, your posts reflect a well read, well informed, and intelligent man. I admit to having voted for President Obama, hoping for change, and extremely upset with President Bushs' performance. Romney, and republicans represent some things I find very objectionable, but I can't vote for President Obama and democrats given the lack of results and similar bad behavior. I wonder if you are more upset at the thought of republicans taking control again, or hesitant to keep things as they are and continue to have our economy decline?

          I fought for years as a Union man but if it means survival, I'm willing to accept the pay freezes, pay cuts, entitlement cuts and other painful measures. Tell me, can we afford to keep government spending, unemployment and everything else the way it is because we are being lied to and it's not really that bad? Do you think Romney will do nothing to improve those issues and simply further the agenda of his party by pandering to big business and the wealthy? You know my fatalistic opinion that it is too late turn this titanic around because neither party has proven to be interested or capable of working for the good of the people and country. Frank

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            Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
            CWS, your posts reflect a well read, well informed, and intelligent man. I admit to having voted for President Obama, hoping for change, and extremely upset with President Bushs' performance. Romney, and republicans represent some things I find very objectionable, but I can't vote for President Obama and democrats given the lack of results and similar bad behavior. I wonder if you are more upset at the thought of republicans taking control again, or hesitant to keep things as they are and continue to have our economy decline?

            I fought for years as a Union man but if it means survival, I'm willing to accept the pay freezes, pay cuts, entitlement cuts and other painful measures. Tell me, can we afford to keep government spending, unemployment and everything else the way it is because we are being lied to and it's not really that bad? Do you think Romney will do nothing to improve those issues and simply further the agenda of his party by pandering to big business and the wealthy? You know my fatalistic opinion that it is too late turn this titanic around because neither party has proven to be interested or capable of working for the good of the people and country. Frank
            Franki,

            First, and foremost perhaps, it is the widely-promoted right-wing view that the economy is doing worse!... IT IS NOT!!!! Look at the numbers, look at the things that are being built, reconstructed, updated, and repaired in almost every area of the country. NONE of these things were going on under the previous administration.

            Look at the illegal immigration, and the amount of enforcement that took place from 2000 to 2008. Enforcement is up and illegal immigration is down... not as much as either you or I would like, but it is showing a positive trend.

            Look at international relations, the wars, the deaths to our military, and the deaths within occupied countries. Again, it is not as positive as you and I might like, but it is significantly improved.

            Look at the unemployment numbers, the number of new jobs... again, NOT at all as positive as you and I would like; but again, it has improved significantly and it still showing a positive trend.

            And simply look at the stock market, it is significantly up from 2008.

            The failure of the Obama administration is that improvement has NOT been on the scale that you and I have hoped for. For some of us, we see that as "a failure of promise", but I do not. I think that if you look at the things said, you will recognize that some naivity (sp?) for sure. But that doesn't transcribe to failure of purpose, or even failure of direction, it simply means that the job was underestimated... and in that you and I have to answer a very simple question:

            Is this "failure of objective" in any way, shape, or form influenced or greatly diminished by the Republican party in it's ongoing obstruction of the a legally-elected government, a government that was elected "by the people and for the people". The Republican party has had one stance and one stance only since 2008, and that has been openly stated as "stopping" the President and getting him out of office!

            NOW, let me ask you this. If a group of people, any group of people made the conscious decision to obstruct, blockade, or to enact the downfall of the American people, what would you think about that? What kind of label would put upon them? And, more importantly, would you support that effort, give them your money and give them your support? I sir, will NOT! While I whole heartedly agree that you and I love our country, I will not support any group that seeks to destroy it's middle class, that seeks to marginalize it's military, and seeks to promote a new Aristocracy in a bastardized interpretation of "Capitalism".

            Mitt Romney, may well be a good man, but he is no leader. He has shown time and time again, that the "color of his stance" depends entirely on the audience that he stands before. His stated objective is the remove "affordable healthcare" from the American People. His stated goal is to further reduce, what he sees as a burden, taxes on the richest and to then transfer that to the working class, which will then be further burdened, and I fear in non-existance.

            Regarding spending... I think it was just the other night that the "percentage" of spending increase was significantly less under Obama, than in the any of the recent Republican Presidency's. I'll have to find that graph and post it, if I can.

            What I do know, and what I have posted before... is that if you actually look at the numbers, see them graphically, you will plainly see that gas prices, economical growth and debt per capita have all shown the negative impact of lower taxes on the rich and on corporations. We are NOT unemployed because we are unprofitable, we are unemployed because of the unrestrained greed of those who own us, those who decide that increased profits for the short term are better than the well-being of American Industry's number one asset: THE AMERICAN WORKER!

            I will not vote for anyone who promotes lower taxes and the demise of our country. Not Romney, not Boener, not Nancy Polosi. We have a responsibility and frankly it makes me sick to here someone promote the idea that you can "off-shore" your address and/or your account so to avoid your tax responsibility. You don't do it, I don't do it, and probably most all of the people here on this forum doesn't do it. We also don't get the write-off's, and the tax breaks and the corporate welfare of any of that. You and I are not the problem with the country, but our lack of understanding of the importance of our educated vote is a major part of the problem. We have got to start listening to both the right and the left. We have got to start looking for ourselves and confirming the things that the "agenda" folks are telling us. Numbers don't lie, generally, but even there we need to confirm from other sources.

            Finally, here's a little news story of from just a week or so ago: Cancer drugs are in short supply! Why, because the Pharmaceutical Industry that so heavily advertises, promotes, and lobby's, had decided that making the quantities of these life-saving drugs was simply NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH!

            This has been a growing issue and about 14 months ago a bill was introduced into the House and Senate for thier work and analysis... and that is where it has laid. Now the drugs have reached a point where they are being rationed and maybe your kid, your relative, your friend or neighbor may have to their lives shortened, and painfully so because the drugs they need are not available, and though profitable to the company that makes them, is NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH!!!

            So, CBS News brings out this story and they interview Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader. He "hyms and haws", says that these things takes forever, that Washington is painfully slow, etc. etc. etc. But he does say that he will push and maybe (maybe??), it can get out of the Senate by July 4th.

            Then, they ask House Speaker John Boener, and he looks squarely in the camera and says,"Maybe that's a good question for the Obama Admistration!".. and he turns and leaves.

            Now my friend, the is a Senate and a House issue... WE do not live in a dictatorship. This is not an Executive branch issue until the House and Senate agree and pass such a bill and send it to the President. So why would the Speaker so blatenly ignore the issue and try to re-direct it as if it was Obama's fault???? This is NOT only obstructionish, it is incompetance, a fraud to the American People, and a total disregard, denial, and a total dereliction of duty by an elected leader. But, it is a typical move by the leader of the Republican party to blame the President, when the President is faultless in this issue.

            BTW, yesterday the Senate passed this bill and we have yet to hear what the Republican-led House is doing... other than wrongfully blaming Obama, that is.

            And so, while I do think that there are well-meaning and productive Republicans, I do think the party as a whole has shown a great disservice to America. If you know history, I think you will find that they have very often shown such disservice, and while the Democrats are certainly no prize, they are the lesser of evils. Until I see the Republicans show some kind of sense, some kind of heart toward the country as a whole, and somekind of grasp of the situation before us, I will NOT vote for them.

            CWS
            Last edited by CWSmith; 05-25-2012, 12:05 PM.

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              CWS, I thank you for your reply. On reporting any numbers out from the government I find whoever is in charge seems to sway the figures in their favor. I can't understand how the economy and unemployment can improve if we continue to import most of what we consume and outsource our jobs. The republicans are doing exactly what the democrats do when we have a republican President.

              CWS, I'm for a flat tax, but that aside, who will pay for Obama's healthcare bill? I think it will be the taxpayers, and I'm opposed to having my taxes increase at a time when I'm paying more for fuel, food and everything else. I am upset that this administration did not act swiftly to cut the budget with the scalpel as promised. We got grand speeches but no results. We got taxpayer waste like solyndra and no investigation. When you say democrats are the lesser of the two evils it tells me we are sunk because we need a champion. We need drastic, painful deep spending cuts, legislation to both encourage job growth here including manufacturing and harsh legislation to disuade imports and job outsourcing.

              If we can agree that neither party has prevented the current situation, then who will going forward? Let's agree that the unemployment numbers are slightly better than reported, that the debt may not be over fifteen trillion and that all the other numbers are also better, does that mean with President Obama in charge, his results and visions for the future will be enough,even with the republicans out of the picture?
              In my opinion without drastic measures far beyond anything President Obama would undertake we cannot reverse course. Exactly how do you see our futre with President Obama reelected? I'm just looking for a reasonable explanation of what the future holds given the past failures of both parties. If the debt is in the trillions, unemployment in the tens of millions, do we need to debate specifics or address meaningful results? Frank

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                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                Vice President Biden said Romney no more qualified to be President than a plumber!
                But yet a socialist, """community organizer""", with ties to terrorism against this country was more qualified? Thankfully, the messiah's record in the senate before he took office, spoke volumes of his experience (lack of).

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                  Originally posted by CWSmith View Post
                  Franki,

                  First, and foremost perhaps, it is the widely-promoted right-wing view that the economy is doing worse!... IT IS NOT!!!! Look at the numbers, look at the things that are being built, reconstructed, updated, and repaired in almost every area of the country. NONE of these things were going on under the previous administration.

                  Look at the illegal immigration, and the amount of enforcement that took place from 2000 to 2008. Enforcement is up and illegal immigration is down... not as much as either you or I would like, but it is showing a positive trend.

                  Look at international relations, the wars, the deaths to our military, and the deaths within occupied countries. Again, it is not as positive as you and I might like, but it is significantly improved.

                  Look at the unemployment numbers, the number of new jobs... again, NOT at all as positive as you and I would like; but again, it has improved significantly and it still showing a positive trend.

                  And simply look at the stock market, it is significantly up from 2008.

                  The failure of the Obama administration is that improvement has NOT been on the scale that you and I have hoped for. For some of us, we see that as "a failure of promise", but I do not. I think that if you look at the things said, you will recognize that some naivity (sp?) for sure. But that doesn't transcribe to failure of purpose, or even failure of direction, it simply means that the job was underestimated... and in that you and I have to answer a very simple question:

                  Is this "failure of objective" in any way, shape, or form influenced or greatly diminished by the Republican party in it's ongoing obstruction of the a legally-elected government, a government that was elected "by the people and for the people". The Republican party has had one stance and one stance only since 2008, and that has been openly stated as "stopping" the President and getting him out of office!

                  NOW, let me ask you this. If a group of people, any group of people made the conscious decision to obstruct, blockade, or to enact the downfall of the American people, what would you think about that? What kind of label would put upon them? And, more importantly, would you support that effort, give them your money and give them your support? I sir, will NOT! While I whole heartedly agree that you and I love our country, I will not support any group that seeks to destroy it's middle class, that seeks to marginalize it's military, and seeks to promote a new Aristocracy in a bastardized interpretation of "Capitalism".

                  Mitt Romney, may well be a good man, but he is no leader. He has shown time and time again, that the "color of his stance" depends entirely on the audience that he stands before. His stated objective is the remove "affordable healthcare" from the American People. His stated goal is to further reduce, what he sees as a burden, taxes on the richest and to then transfer that to the working class, which will then be further burdened, and I fear in non-existance.

                  Regarding spending... I think it was just the other night that the "percentage" of spending increase was significantly less under Obama, than in the any of the recent Republican Presidency's. I'll have to find that graph and post it, if I can.

                  What I do know, and what I have posted before... is that if you actually look at the numbers, see them graphically, you will plainly see that gas prices, economical growth and debt per capita have all shown the negative impact of lower taxes on the rich and on corporations. We are NOT unemployed because we are unprofitable, we are unemployed because of the unrestrained greed of those who own us, those who decide that increased profits for the short term are better than the well-being of American Industry's number one asset: THE AMERICAN WORKER!

                  I will not vote for anyone who promotes lower taxes and the demise of our country. Not Romney, not Boener, not Nancy Polosi. We have a responsibility and frankly it makes me sick to here someone promote the idea that you can "off-shore" your address and/or your account so to avoid your tax responsibility. You don't do it, I don't do it, and probably most all of the people here on this forum doesn't do it. We also don't get the write-off's, and the tax breaks and the corporate welfare of any of that. You and I are not the problem with the country, but our lack of understanding of the importance of our educated vote is a major part of the problem. We have got to start listening to both the right and the left. We have got to start looking for ourselves and confirming the things that the "agenda" folks are telling us. Numbers don't lie, generally, but even there we need to confirm from other sources.

                  Finally, here's a little news story of from just a week or so ago: Cancer drugs are in short supply! Why, because the Pharmaceutical Industry that so heavily advertises, promotes, and lobby's, had decided that making the quantities of these life-saving drugs was simply NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH!

                  This has been a growing issue and about 14 months ago a bill was introduced into the House and Senate for thier work and analysis... and that is where it has laid. Now the drugs have reached a point where they are being rationed and maybe your kid, your relative, your friend or neighbor may have to their lives shortened, and painfully so because the drugs they need are not available, and though profitable to the company that makes them, is NOT PROFITABLE ENOUGH!!!

                  So, CBS News brings out this story and they interview Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader. He "hyms and haws", says that these things takes forever, that Washington is painfully slow, etc. etc. etc. But he does say that he will push and maybe (maybe??), it can get out of the Senate by July 4th.

                  Then, they ask House Speaker John Boener, and he looks squarely in the camera and says,"Maybe that's a good question for the Obama Admistration!".. and he turns and leaves.

                  Now my friend, the is a Senate and a House issue... WE do not live in a dictatorship. This is not an Executive branch issue until the House and Senate agree and pass such a bill and send it to the President. So why would the Speaker so blatenly ignore the issue and try to re-direct it as if it was Obama's fault???? This is NOT only obstructionish, it is incompetance, a fraud to the American People, and a total disregard, denial, and a total dereliction of duty by an elected leader. But, it is a typical move by the leader of the Republican party to blame the President, when the President is faultless in this issue.

                  BTW, yesterday the Senate passed this bill and we have yet to hear what the Republican-led House is doing... other than wrongfully blaming Obama, that is.

                  And so, while I do think that there are well-meaning and productive Republicans, I do think the party as a whole has shown a great disservice to America. If you know history, I think you will find that they have very often shown such disservice, and while the Democrats are certainly no prize, they are the lesser of evils. Until I see the Republicans show some kind of sense, some kind of heart toward the country as a whole, and somekind of grasp of the situation before us, I will NOT vote for them.

                  CWS
                  Nothing but talking points and rhetoric from the likes of the Huffington Post and MSNBC, CBS in where you're getting your information from. I feel like I'm listening to a broken record hearing and seeing the same nonsense spewed over and over and over and over again. Why doesn't CBS focus on all the campaign lies the Messiah told in 2008? Shall we go through a list a few of those?

                  It's quite funny how the White house -the Media - and every other far left outlet are taking the focus off of the Messiah's record over the last 3 1/2 years to focus on dumb s*it that's been settled law for years or is a non issue.

                  I thought it was funny the other day when the Messiah played the "I inherited" card, and blaming Bush. I hope he continues to play that card till November, because to be quite frank with you, the American people don't want to hear any more excuses out of this community organizer. The day he took office, we have heard excuses, and 3 1/2 years later...we are still hearing those same excuses.

                  Let me also correct you that, we DO live in a dictatorship, that's what BIG Government is. For example... Obamacare would take over one sixth of our economy....that's a dictatorship.

                  A good example of a disservice to America would not be Republicans, it would the mistake of electing a community organizer with a radical,extremist ideology to run the country. 5 trillion in deficits.. in less than 4 years was just brilliant!

                  Know your history and why people from Europe flocked to this country, and it surely isn't jiving what you're saying. Understand the rights and freedoms we have in this country, and why the left are taking away those freedoms, and if I hear one more time that the United States should be more like Europe, I'm going to throw up!

                  The left likes to play the "greed" card, but yet it's human nature for all of us to be greedy. Whether it's the Unions, small businesses, corporations, we all have a right to make money in this country, and if you're sick and tired of parting with it, stop voting Democrat. The Republicans have some progressives that are hiding in this party too, and I don't want any of those people in office either.
                  I hate the idea I wake up every single morning to go to work, just so my tax dollars goes to people who refused to work, or have better benefits in life than the majority in this country. The Messiah keeps saying " fair share", then how come over 40% in this country are not paying their fair share and not paying taxes at all? Penalizing the Rich is the wrong way to go about it, but yet I agree that they should be in a higher tax bracket then the middle class. Hearing the Democrats are floating ideas of taking over 40% of their income is play right out of the Marxism playbook.

                  In the eyes of God we are all equal, but yet we surely don't act like it.

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                    Re: Foot & Leg in Mouth

                    This country needs more, and better than the lesser of two evils. We can't afford another four years of what we have ,no more than we could have afforded four more years of the bush administration. Romney's stance on many issues are not in line with mine but he has proven to be good at whatever job he does. Romney's work at bain is in the past, if he is as good at cutting the budget and working to address our many serious problems, I'll once again vote for change. Let's see if the democrats work with Romney if elected.

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                    • #11
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                      anyone who thinks obama or biden are anything but typical corrupt political pawns is delusional. I'll take my chances with romney anyday over obama. we cannot continue to go this far in debt, obama has nothing but doubled down on bush's idiotic spending, of which obama lambasted through out his campaign. if you think we are not headed down the same path as Greece and the EU, your freaking blind, delusional, or, well I can't say it here....

                      there might be a hint of an up tick in the economy but its ignoring inflation. don't tell me inflation doesn't exist, its killing us. for example, a work truck like mine 10 years ago was 29-35k depending on options, today its 35k-57k depending on options. take a walk through a grocery store, everything is more expensive, yet wages are going lower.

                      don't tell me government isn't the problem, it is. when are we as a country going to stand up and say enough is enough and give the ruling of our laws back to the states and tell the feds that what happens w/in our states borders and our own homes is none of thier damn business.

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                        Unfortunately Flux,

                        You seem to be really hung up on laying labels on the President, like the "messiah" and the "community organiser" and your feeling that this "dictatorship" is our entire government. You appear to me to know very little if anything about history, the right or the left of politics or even the nature of Democracy. But of course, you ARE intitled to your opinion. One of the great freedoms that we have in this country is the right to be wrong.

                        You also appear to be quite vehement in this "labeling"... and only a fool would attempt to convince you in light of your reasoning. So I leave you to your opinion, especially since there appears to be little more than "opinion" behind it.

                        One of the "issues" that you seem to have is that Obama's past shows him to be a "community organizer". I guess you don't know what that is or the good that comes out of even attempting to help others in that capacity.

                        One of the things you might consider though is that such "history" is out there on this guy. Let us look at the previous guy's history... oh I forgot, we can't. Most all of that has been declared "classified" by his own administration. We do not to get to see what he did, only what he, himself has allowed to be open. We don't get to see his so-called military service, his college records, his financial intrigues. Just like we don't get to see what went on behind closed doors with his administrations dealings with Enron, the banks, Saudi Arabia, and the major U.S. energy suppliers.

                        But hey, I still understand where you are coming from. I just won't waste an arguement as you will see only what you wish to see. I will tell you however, that as a registered "Republican", I'd really love to get "educated" should you have something to enlighten me on these issues. (I could be wrong, and I'm always open to learning.)

                        CWS

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                          Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                          This country needs more, and better than the lesser of two evils. We can't afford another four years of what we have ,no more than we could have afforded four more years of the bush administration. Romney's stance on many issues are not in line with mine but he has proven to be good at whatever job he does. Romney's work at bain is in the past, if he is as good at cutting the budget and working to address our many serious problems, I'll once again vote for change. Let's see if the democrats work with Romney if elected.
                          Frank, There has been only one guy that I have ever heard of that could bring about the kind of "change" you expect--and He was crucified by politicians!!

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                            Originally posted by Pipestone Kid View Post
                            Frank, There has been only one guy that I have ever heard of that could bring about the kind of "change" you expect--and He was crucified by politicians!!
                            Kid, I don't expect that kind of change, I just think anything less will not help. President Obama, had an opportunity to address the trade deficit, unemployment, and a whole host of issues while he had the majority in his favor. He chose to pass healthcare which gets us no closer to a stable economy. If you and I accept that there will be no change, no resolutions to all these problems, then we must accept an inevitable collapse and the horrors it will bring. I would rather see limited suffering now resulting from cutbacks in healthcare and other entitlements. We can thank eachothers posts that favor one party over another, but as we pat eachother on the back our country grows closer to total failure. Please correct my ignorance and tell me how you suppose things will improve, if you do, because the guy who was crucufied will not be helping us out of this mess.
                            Last edited by Frankiarmz; 05-25-2012, 04:14 PM.

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                              Originally posted by CWSmith View Post
                              Unfortunately Flux,

                              You seem to be really hung up on laying labels on the President, like the "messiah" and the "community organiser" and your feeling that this "dictatorship" is our entire government. You appear to me to know very little if anything about history, the right or the left of politics or even the nature of Democracy. But of course, you ARE intitled to your opinion. One of the great freedoms that we have in this country is the right to be wrong.

                              You also appear to be quite vehement in this "labeling"... and only a fool would attempt to convince you in light of your reasoning. So I leave you to your opinion, especially since there appears to be little more than "opinion" behind it.

                              One of the "issues" that you seem to have is that Obama's past shows him to be a "community organizer". I guess you don't know what that is or the good that comes out of even attempting to help others in that capacity.

                              One of the things you might consider though is that such "history" is out there on this guy. Let us look at the previous guy's history... oh I forgot, we can't. Most all of that has been declared "classified" by his own administration. We do not to get to see what he did, only what he, himself has allowed to be open. We don't get to see his so-called military service, his college records, his financial intrigues. Just like we don't get to see what went on behind closed doors with his administrations dealings with Enron, the banks, Saudi Arabia, and the major U.S. energy suppliers.

                              But hey, I still understand where you are coming from. I just won't waste an arguement as you will see only what you wish to see. I will tell you however, that as a registered "Republican", I'd really love to get "educated" should you have something to enlighten me on these issues. (I could be wrong, and I'm always open to learning.)

                              CWS
                              No see...it was irresponsible for the people of this country to vote in a community organizer who had NO experience, and you people handed him the keys to the country. Labels like "Messiah" are born when you have people like Reverend Wright, Farrakhan spewing that nonsense out of their mouths...it's NOT Republican born.

                              I'm not going to waste my time linking the definition of the word "dictatorship" because you know darn well what the word means. But just because you don't have a mind of your own and can't think for yourself, doesn't mean others in this country don't have a spine. I saw all I needed to see about the democratic party over the last decade, and realize it has been hijacked by the far left and is now the communist party of the United States.

                              When was the last time you picked up a copy of the Bill of rights and read it?

                              When was the last time you read the story of the war of 1776, and why that war even started? We are heading down that path right now, and if you think that is just an "opinion", then why has gun sales and ammunition been at an all time high since the day this clown took office?

                              Do you really want to go down the road of "behind closed doors" between Bush and Obama? lol

                              Why won't Obama allow us to see his College transcripts....what is he hiding? How did he afford to go to Harvard? Why did the main stream Media not talk enough about Obama's past and his affiliations with terrorism? Why has Obama lied since day 1, and people like you are giving him a pass? Remember...there will NO lobbyists in Washington if Obama took office....remember that? OBama said he was going to be a bipartisan President, but yet he wouldn't allow the Republicans to sit down at the table on the healthcare law, and those back door deals in the cover of darkness to pass this bill was flat out wrong.



                              The difference between you and I is I'm not a sheep and swallow what the main stream media or the "machine" feeds me. There are just too many facts that make your opinions extremely weak and barely a conversation at best. You have no idea what you voted for or supported with this guy, and I suggest you buy the book "Dreams of my father" so you can read Obama's words straight from his mouth, and come back and tell us with a straight face you condone that bull crap. The one best thing about Obama and his wife are...they are not afraid to tell you "WHO" they are...it's up to you to educate yourself and know what you're supporting, cause the main stream media did a great job of covering it up in 2008.

                              It's one thing to have an opinion CWS...but passing it off as fact isn't the best way to try and make points. For people like me, it let's me know you have no idea what you're talking about.

                              Save the spin for someone else.
                              Last edited by Flux; 05-25-2012, 06:13 PM.

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