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  • #46
    Re: Gun Control

    Originally posted by AFM View Post
    I think you have all lost the plot as a young boy I was given an air rifle and later a 22 then bought a shot gun and for wild pigs and larger animals a 303 but I never had a hand gun as they were never allowed or an asult rifle a true sportsman would never use a semi or automatic to bring down their prey and they wern`t available when you were all young these guns have only come about due to lax politians greased by the gun lobby and industry that makes them caring little about your 2nd amendment or the citizen and more about money and at $4,000 which I consider to be a sizeable amont of money only a certain group of people could afford them.
    And you can make up all the excusses you like Frank but until the politian you and the NRA are willing to do something then the killings will continue and pity help your children and grand children as it will be their problem a problem you should have fixed today

    Tony
    You say a true sportsman would not use a semi-automatic... why? Because they are not available (the decision to use one or not was taken from him) or because it is not sporting to do so? Automatics have not been available to the average gun owner for many years. Only a few who have special permits can legally posses them, and their numbers are very few and they are well known and tracked by the BATF, and those guns can not be used for hunting and never could legally AFAIK. I don't think that most people have a problem with the way that fully automatic weapons are controlled. No doubt some do but for me I am OK with tighter controls on them. As far as availability years ago semi-auto rifles and pistols have been around for one hundred fifty years or more, so that does not help your argument. You could classify the Gatling Gun as a semi-auto I think. So that takes you back to the Civil War era, long before I was born. I don't know what you are referring to that costs $4K (presumably in US dollars)? Are you talking about semi-auto rifles, handguns, fully automatic machine guns, which is it? all the those are available for less than $4000 so I don't see the relevance.

    Unfortunately the only group that HAS done anything except shoot their mouth off is the NRA. The people and our politicians have done nothing since Dec 21 have they except blame legal gun owners. The NRA has put their money where their mouth is and IS doing something on top of what they already do.
    NRA’s 73,000 Certified Instructors and 12,000 Law Enforcement Instructors reach
    over 800,000 people annually. NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe® Program has been used
    by more than 26,000 schools, law enforcement agencies, and civic groups to reach
    more than 24 million children since 1988.
    They are drawing up a model security plan with their own money that they will give to school boards for free to revise and implement in their schools, and it does not have to include guns or armed security as the answer. it is broad based and armed security for our children is nothing that we don't offer to those who misrepresent us in Washington DC and our state capitals. Just like their health care and pension which is way over the top compared to what the average citizen receives (if any) they have armed guards protecting them, but they have not offered that as an option to protect our children which they have failed to do by any other means. If gun control works so well then we should not need the Capital Police or Secret Service to protect our elected officials right?

    From your statement you never had a hand gun; again because that choice was taken from you (or made for you, however you wish to view it) by others. Maybe you would have wanted one IF you had had the choice. You will never know and since you can never know it is easy to say you would not want something you never had the chance to have. There are llegitimate uses for handguns for the general public so there is no reason to ban them in my view. Where do the handguns come from in your country that are used in crimes if you are not allowed to have them? Most likely criminals smuggle them in. Since your no handgun laws have not stopped handguns from being used in crimes do you think it will be any more effective here? Might reduce the numbers somewhat but I bet that long guns crime will go up, as in your country where half the gun crimes involve rifles or shotguns. Why, because that is what's most available. Hasen't stopped anything just shofted the use of weapon to something other than a handgun.

    Does anyone get killed in your country? Anyone at all, or is everyone safe to travel the streets free from the threat of being robbed, raped or killed? If you are so safe then you do not have any need for police, you only need meter maids to issue parking tickets and traffic control officers for rush hour.

    But it appears to me that your country is far from crime free, based on reviewing your governments (AIC) own statistics. I believe that something like 13% of armed robberies in your country have a firearm involved. The number of crimes may be significantly less than here, but the population is smaller too so you need to compare rates (per 100,000) to make meaningful comparisons.
    [QUOTE]Firearms were used in a higher percentage of robberies in banking and financial
    settings (45%) and licensed premises (39%) than in other locations.[/
    QUOTE]
    Australian Institute of Criminology - Characteristics of stolen firearms
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    • #47
      Re: Gun Control

      It's unfortunate but the truth is the American people are, bottom line, at fault for all these tragedies. Even sadder, it's those who continually call for more government who must shoulder most of that blame. Election after election the same carbon copy politicians keep getting sent back to local, state and federal houses of government to accomplish what.............nothing! While politicians seem to have an endless supply of temporary fix band aids they seldom have any real solutions to what ails the country.

      America also should not be so worried about helping or reforming the wrong doer after the fact but should concentrate more on eliminating the possibility that those wrong doers ever get a chance to repeat those types of acts again. Try as I might, I can not get my head around things like, plea bargaining, early release for good behavior, pleading to a lesser charge, anyone convicted of murder while committing a crime ever getting out of prison, and all the other asinine goodies we feel we have to give those that wrong us. Why, why do we do that? All one has to do is look at the statistics for those criminals who repeat offend to realize that all that kid glove treatment, reform programs and the like flat out don't work.
      Last edited by BadgerDave; 12-26-2012, 01:21 PM. Reason: My spelling is atrocious!
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      • #48
        Re: Gun Control

        You guys may want to run down to Home Depot and buy up "hammers"

        As the fellow who shot the two firefighters killed his grandmother with a "hammer"

        After the congress gets back from their unwarranted vacation I'm confident they will
        hold hearings with the "hardware association" to determine how to ban hammers!!!

        Only licensed carpenters may have two hammers only!!!

        Now we break to hum "if I had a hammer"

        Remember hammers don't kill people.."people with hammers kill people" [by Barbara Streisand]


        Cactus Man
        Last edited by cactusman; 12-26-2012, 02:04 PM. Reason: information correction

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        • #49
          Re: Gun Control

          We are over sixteen trillion in debt, there is no money to diagnose and treat all the mentally ill. There is not enough room to lock up the murderers, rapists and pedophiles, or the justice system to make sure we are protected. Realistically, what choice do we have other than to be victims or protect ourselves?
          We are living with insanity and violence, it is among us, accept it! How dare congress take any break at this critical time. The learned lawmakers know full well more strict gun control laws won't stop these occurances. They know the mental facilities and prisons are overcrowded. They know our borders are a joke to the criminals bringing in drugs and guns. Why is any convicted murderer allowed to ever walk free to kill again? Maybe we are all mentally ill to believe the best we can do to address this problem is restrict gun sales and posession by good people!

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          • #50
            Re: Gun Control

            Originally posted by cactusman View Post
            You guys may want to run down to Home Depot and buy up "hammers"

            As the fellow who shot the two firefighters killed his (Grandmother) with a "hammer"

            After the congress get back from their unwarranted vacation I'm confident they will
            hold hearings with the "hardware association" to determine how to ban hammers!!!

            Only licensed carpenters may have two hammers only!!!

            Now we break to hum "if I had a hammer"

            Remember hammers don't kill people.."people with hammers kill people" [by Barbara Streisand]


            Cactus Man
            Corrected


            Ron


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            • #51
              Re: Gun Control

              Originally posted by cactusman View Post
              You guys may want to run down to Home Depot and buy up "hammers"

              As the fellow who shot the two firefighters killed his grandmother with a "hammer"

              After the congress gets back from their unwarranted vacation I'm confident they will
              hold hearings with the "hardware association" to determine how to ban hammers!!!

              Only licensed carpenters may have two hammers only!!!

              Now we break to hum "if I had a hammer"

              Remember hammers don't kill people.."people with hammers kill people" [by Barbara Streisand]


              Cactus Man
              What about carry permits. Is it ok to carry a hammer on your tool belt as long as its not concealed?
              If I put a coat on and it covers up the hammer is it now concealed?
              What about combination tools like a shinglers hatchet or a sheet rockers toll or an axe which all have a hammer head, is that classified as a hammer. I have a pair of fence pliers that have a hammer face on them, are they exempt or not.

              So many questions and Congress has not even enacted the "hammer law" yet. I bet there will be 20,000 laws on the books concerning hammers before its over, and we'll be no closer tostopping hammer related killings than we are now.

              Sorry, but it sounds just as silly to me when you plug in the word 'gun' in place of 'hammer'.
              Last edited by Bob D.; 12-26-2012, 02:37 PM.
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              • #52
                Re: Gun Control

                Progressivism has been around in this country for about 100 years.

                History constantly repeats itself, and over the last 50 years these radicals have been chipping away at our way of life.

                They control the media, the schools, and major popular social internet websites etc...we can't get away from it. They want a Nation totally dependent on government, and for us to be told how to live and what to do, and they will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

                So many books to read on this subject from the mouths of those who wish to destroy our country, and the majority turn a blind eye to it. Those who deny it are part of the problem, and we can't allow them to have any power in this country.

                We should all be thankful those old codgers (our fore fathers) had the smarts and vision to incorporate the 2nd amendment. They knew...and shame on us if we lose the republic, because the progressives, the socialists, and communists in this country are destroying us.

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                • #53
                  Re: Gun Control

                  I would rather a lawful person be able to draw and stop some unlawful nut, rather than helplessly watch the nut cut everyone down...... waiting for the police.

                  look up the stats, gun sales have been up while crimes have been down the last few years.

                  Ironically, The stats are reversed in gun controlled areas.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Gun Control

                    Originally posted by cactusman View Post
                    You guys may want to run down to Home Depot and buy up "hammers"

                    As the fellow who shot the two firefighters killed his grandmother with a "hammer"

                    After the congress gets back from their unwarranted vacation I'm confident they will
                    hold hearings with the "hardware association" to determine how to ban hammers!!!

                    Only licensed carpenters may have two hammers only!!!

                    Now we break to hum "if I had a hammer"

                    Remember hammers don't kill people.."people with hammers kill people" [by Barbara Streisand]


                    Cactus Man
                    I don't know whether it's funny or sad;

                    http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/carroll-county/Police-in-Taneytown-fatally-shoot-hammer-wielding-man/-/10137488/17904272/-/vsx0mpz/-/index.html

                    Ron


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                    • #55
                      Re: Gun Control

                      Originally posted by lreops View Post
                      I don't know whether it's funny or sad;

                      http://www.wbaltv.com/news/maryland/carroll-county/Police-in-Taneytown-fatally-shoot-hammer-wielding-man/-/10137488/17904272/-/vsx0mpz/-/index.html

                      Ron


                      Ron, I can tell you that a hammer attack is not a funny thing, and neither is the loss of a life. Years ago three of our young cable splicers went to have a few drinks at a local bar after hours. The bar had become a hang out for a biker gang. One of the young guys asked a girl standing next to him if the jacket on a chair was hers because he wanted to sit down. No argument, no nasty words exchanged, and no warning of the hammer attck to follow. The three ended up in the hospital, fractured skulls, broken bones. I don't blame the cops one bit for defending themselves, and it is unfortunate they had to take this guys life.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Gun Control

                        Come on, Frank. I wasn't inferring that the "incident" was funny, just to the fact that "Hammers" were jokingly being mentioned earlier and the fact that there is all this conversation of what to ban and what shouldn't be banned. Are "Hammers" now going to be included in these conversations, which makes all of this really sad.

                        Ron


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                        • #57
                          Re: Gun Control

                          Ron, if you've been reading my posts you know how I feel about more laws. The whole hammer joke makes the argument that people can do harm without guns. We really need to hold the person responsible, not the weapon. I've got guns, knives and hammers, which I can't imagine confronting the cops with. The only reson I responded to your post was the actual news report, it made me think of those guys I knew and how messed up the hammer attack was. I hope we can agree law abiding folks are not the problem with owning and using much of anything, and it's the criminal or crazy that uses the weapon or tool to hurt others. Sorry if I ruined your post objective, all this waste of time and energy by our legislators has me on edge. Frank

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                          • #58
                            Re: Gun Control

                            Here is a classic example of progressivism, freshly posted from the Huffington Post regarding guns. A play right out of Saul Alinsky's playbook. This should tick off every gun owner reading this.

                            Journalists’ Addresses Posted In Revenge For Newspaper’s Google Map Of Gun Permit Owners | TechCrunch

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                            • #59
                              Re: Gun Control

                              Flux,We can match this. Post every turds address that is connected with this. Then We show up in the middle of the night with torches Glowing ! " HERE'S JOHNNY "
                              I can build anything You want , if you draw a picture of it , on the back of a big enough check .

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                              • #60
                                Re: Gun Control

                                Originally posted by Flux View Post
                                Progressivism has been around in this country for about 100 years.

                                History constantly repeats itself, and over the last 50 years these radicals have been chipping away at our way of life.

                                They control the media, the schools, and major popular social internet websites etc...we can't get away from it. They want a Nation totally dependent on government, and for us to be told how to live and what to do, and they will stop at nothing to achieve that goal.

                                So many books to read on this subject from the mouths of those who wish to destroy our country, and the majority turn a blind eye to it. Those who deny it are part of the problem, and we can't allow them to have any power in this country.

                                We should all be thankful those old codgers (our fore fathers) had the smarts and vision to incorporate the 2nd amendment. They knew...and shame on us if we lose the republic, because the progressives, the socialists, and communists in this country are destroying us.
                                Who is they? They is we. We are not socialists, commies or progressives. Most of we don't have any clue what we are except that we are mostly self absorbed and unwilling to put the better good of our children above our own selfish desires which has led to the steady decline of morality, civility, integrity and a word brought to us by the Greeks, gravitas. Guns are not a problem. If left to their own devices, guns would sit idle for generations. guns are incapable of making decisions by themselves. Guns are merely the tool of unsettled minds. An easy way to an end in the hands of the mentally unstable.
                                Last edited by NHMaster3015; 12-27-2012, 01:29 PM.
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