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  • #46
    Re: Fed shutdown

    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
    Let's keep it respectful gentlemen.

    Mark
    I don't think it's possible for some.

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    • #47
      Re: Fed shutdown

      Just to chime in:
      As far as this shutdown concerns me, I hope to hell that next drill weekend is canceled,
      because if it is, then that frees up my weekend to attend a cousin's stag party!

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      • #48
        Re: Fed shutdown

        Originally posted by rofl View Post
        Yeah......I think we already knew what you thought about yourself.

        And I love humor and sarcasm, but I think you just come across as an arrogant a-hole when you insult others and just try to be all cutesy about it. It's sad that that you blanket judge others but maybe that's because you are so stereotypical yourself.

        Another Texan speaks his mind
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        • #49
          Re: Fed shutdown

          Not originally from Texas but it doesn't matter.

          You keep rocking that passive aggressive superiority.

          "Educator"....L....O.....freak'n L.

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          • #50
            Re: Fed shutdown

            Guys, please let's get back to the subject at hand. All those mindless insults and labels of regressive, and so forth don't change the facts of where we are and where we are headed. The shut down will end, we know that. The healthcare law much as it is disliked, dysfunctional and damaging is here and probably to stay. I don't see a turn around to our failed economy through part time, low paying jobs. I see more problems as deficit spending continues and the debt rises. We all have a right to our opinions. I try to keep an open mind, so I read these posts and either form a different opinion or not. I am not bound to the agenda of others by religious, party, race or any other affiliation.
            Just my opinion here, but if you truly think for yourself, and beyond your own personal issues, I fail to see how anyone can defend either party.

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            • #51
              Re: Fed shutdown

              Originally posted by rofl View Post
              Not originally from Texas but it doesn't matter.

              You keep rocking that passive aggressive superiority.

              "Educator"....L....O.....freak'n L.
              Re: Fed shutdown
              I don't think much of this president. If someone wants to call that racism the I respectfully suggest that they are stupid.

              Racism gets way too much play these days. It's the easy fallback for fingerpointers rather than solution makers.

              And I do believe it exists, but crying wolf clouds the issue.
              And I suppose that your respectfull suggestion that they are stupid doesn't fall under the passive agressive catagory LOL

              Look back through your contributions to the thread.


              Passive agressive? and you're calling me dooshy ?
              Last edited by NHMaster3015; 10-03-2013, 08:52 AM.
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              • #52
                Re: Fed shutdown

                If you think my dislike of this president is race related then you are stupid. You don't know me personally. I've made no ethnic slights directly or indirectly. I've not even aligned myself with positions that do. You assume things based on your "profiling".

                Yeah... I quit playing nice because you refuse to do so. Read the responses.

                And if you are anywhere near as smart as you think you are you will know that the two of us being dooshy isn't either/or necessarily. I'll admit I'm being one right now if you'll take a good look in the mirror.

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                • #53
                  Re: Fed shutdown

                  First I have never seen this site before or know of the author, but some what more explains how the house and the origination of the funding. whether everything is accurate in the article or not I do not know.
                  but seems to bring up some things that are not normally discussed.

                  Obamacare can be defunded without Senate approval - Atlanta Paulding County Republican | Examiner.com

                  October 2, 2013

                  When the House passed legislation to defund ObamaCare but would keep the government running through mid-December, the Senate, led by Senate Majority Leader, Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) stated that they would not budge on Obamacare and the legislation was defeated.

                  On Monday, Dr. Harold Pease, an expert on the United States Constitution, stated that the authority in dealing with Obamacare funding belongs to the U.S. House, not the U.S. Senate and that the House is doing this all wrong.

                  Pease said, “Everything hinged upon funding which was given exclusively to the House of Representatives, the only power that they alone had.”

                  Pease went on to say, “All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. To fund anything, in this case Obamacare, first approval is required by the House of Representatives.”

                  “If that does not happen taxpayer money cannot be spent. The people, through their representatives to Congress, have determined, after a three-year closer scrutiny of The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), that it does not protect the patient, is not affordable and is not even workable; hence in the interests of the vast majority of the people needs to be defunded.”

                  When the United States Supreme Court ruled on Obamacare in 2012, Chief Justice Roberts stance on Obamacare coincides with the intent of the U.S. Constitution, explained by Pease, and the powers between the House and Senate.

                  According to the U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Obamacare cannot be implemented and is not considered the law of the land, contrary to Democrat claims.

                  Bubba Atkinson of the Independent Journal Review wrote, “Chief Justice Roberts actually ruled the mandate, relative to the commerce clause, was unconstitutional. That is how the Democrats got Obama-care going in the first place. This is critical. His ruling means Congress can’t compel American citizens to purchase anything, ever. The notion is now officially and forever, unconstitutional. As it should be.”

                  “Next, he stated that, because Congress doesn’t have the ability to mandate, it must, to fund Obama-care, rely on its power to tax. Therefore, the mechanism that funds Obama-care is a tax,” said Atkinson. “He struck down as unconstitutional, the Obama-care idea that the federal government can bully states into complying by yanking their existing medicaid funding. Liberals, through Obama-care, basically said to the states — “comply with Obama-care or we will stop existing funding.” Roberts ruled that is a no-no.”

                  When the House attached Obamacare to the legislation in funding the government, it made a mistake in doing so and the funding of Obamacare should have been separate, thereby giving the Senate no power in denying the Houses’ request to defund Obamacare.

                  Pease said, “House opposition to funding Obamacare would have been far more powerful if made a “stand alone” bill not attached to general funding, but it is not. “Stand alone,” having no other parts, would have left the Senate no wiggle or compromise room once it went to them, nor would there be for the Joint Conference Committee thereafter that reconciles any differences between the two houses. There would be nothing to reconcile, Obamacare is merely defunded.”

                  “Still, the intent of the Founding Fathers was to give the people, through their House of Representatives, the power collectively to say no to any proposed federal tax, which she is decidedly doing.”

                  If Obamacare is removed from the government budget, presented, and voted on as a separate bill, Obamacare can be defunded by the House. If that is the case, then the Senate and the President has no constitutional authority to override the House's decision.
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                  PUBLIC NOTICE: Due to recent budget cuts, the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil...plus the current state of the economy............the light at the end of the tunnel, has been turned off.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Fed shutdown

                    This is all theater!

                    Putting barricades twice around the WW-2 memorial to stop the visitors to an open
                    memorial...How much wasted money and man hours did the president's security staff spend?

                    This crap is working..here we are infighting with each other again and
                    the real issues have gone away..like Benghazi, the IRS, Running guns to Mexico, The border, etc
                    all of that has become vaporware, and the total corruption of the current government are both parties!!!!

                    Tell me how can our government close a big hole in the ground called the "grand canyon"?

                    How come our government finds it worthwhile to close off open air memorials yet they still
                    offer staff free haircuts, shoeshines, and cafeteria access?

                    You want to see this mess get cleaned up is 48hours? Suspend the pay of representatives, senators,
                    the president and his staff and NOT make it retroactive..no work, no money!!! After 24 hours they will
                    yell "uncle"!!!!! Do not pay furloughed workers for hours not worked.

                    In my career when I was forced to furlough my job I never received pay for the furloughed days.

                    Will this hurt those not working? you bet however the civilians not working because of our government's
                    mess will not make up their financial loss either!

                    so to those 800,000 or so non critical government employees should go to the unemployment line
                    and sign up...oh wait you can't as that will mess up the statistical numbers of our country's unemployment!!!


                    Oh wait..it's all theater...simple as that.....

                    Back to hunting scorpions....


                    Cactus Man

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                    • #55
                      Re: Fed shutdown

                      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                      Communist? Let's just leave it with the lobbyists willing to fork over the most incentive. I would have power, wealth, impunity. Nah, I told you my opinions don't fit either party but you still don't believe me. When will you guys admit neither party is representing the good of America or the people? They both allowed it to get this far! Think for yourselves!
                      Frank,

                      I meant "Republican"... you know as in "Red States" vs "Blue States". (I wasn't trying to insult you in any way! )

                      And I do believe you when you say that you feel that your opinions "don't fit either party".... you did tell us that you voted "Republican" in the last Congressional election, did you not? Seems like you weren't happy because Obama couldn't pull off the miracle you expected in his first two years.

                      You've also mentioned on multiple occasions that everything in your view is downhill and that the current administration has made no improvements. I guess you believe any of the trends that we see in immigration, deportations, jobs, new manufacturing, investments, or other things, so I guess there isn't a lot that anyone can say. Maybe we should just talk about the death panels that you'd like to see to eliminate all those sucking off the taxpayers.

                      Most disconcerting to me perhaps is your continued expression that if someone doesn't agree with you then they are not thinking for themselves, as you think you do. It sort of makes any facts, history, or observations of the present and possibilities of the future rather irrelevant to any discussion, because you think that you're the only one who has not gleemed every thought from someone elses' agenda. I'm not sure that is even possible unless one doesn't read, watch, and hear, and spends too much time ignoring everything around them... but the he!!, you certainly are entitled to feel any way you want.

                      CWS

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                      • #56
                        Re: Fed shutdown

                        Originally posted by rofl View Post
                        If you think my dislike of this president is race related then you are stupid. You don't know me personally. I've made no ethnic slights directly or indirectly. I've not even aligned myself with positions that do. You assume things based on your "profiling".

                        Yeah... I quit playing nice because you refuse to do so. Read the responses.

                        And if you are anywhere near as smart as you think you are you will know that the two of us being dooshy isn't either/or necessarily. I'll admit I'm being one right now if you'll take a good look in the mirror.
                        Yer panties are in a twist because your blustering, self egrandising congressman just wasted god only knows how much money and time making a point that nobody except the regressive right wing cares about and has now put a whole lot of folks in financial trouble as well as helping to further tank the economy.
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                        • #57
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                          This thread should probably be locked because disagreeing with the President should not qualify someone as racist. I agree that is an inflammatory thing to say, it only proves the person has no valid argument. NHM now further antagonizes rofl by insinuating he wears "panties", is that a cross dressing or antiGay slur?
                          CWS, I vote with my head not along party lines so although I voted democrat because of my upset with President Bush, I was certainly not going to vote democrat again. I did not expect miracles, and have explained that many times. You choose to accept trillions upon trillions of new debt and part time, low paying jobs as a good sign, I do not. Perhaps it is you who are not observant of the realities around you? There are thousands of Americans losing good paying full time jobs, their homes and way of life. There are thousands of hard working Americans who because of the healthcare law are losing hours of full time work so that their employer can circumvent the law. CWS, I submit that you see no further than your own immediate life and whatever "facts" your news channel, or other preferred media spins. I am convinced that party loyalists don't admit to or see the damage done. You can regard my posts as the ravings of a man ignorant of the "facts", I see absolutely nothing to convince me things are improving, nothing!
                          Last edited by Frankiarmz; 10-03-2013, 11:59 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Fed shutdown

                            Keep the thread open.

                            Someone ia about to change their mind....I an just feel it.

                            For what it's worth, the panty comment doesn't matter to me.

                            It's the blanket attitude toward religious people as though they are all exactly alike.
                            It's the blanket attitude toward conservative people as though that mindset is incapable of progress or intellect.
                            People on both sides of the fence offend me when they dismiss other viewpoints because they don't agree with them and, therefore, are uneducated or immoral. I'm sick of both parties, including the republicans of which I am registered. But it makes me laugh to hear some others are registered replublicans when I haven't seen one value expressed that lines up with their platform. It's no secret that some register cross party so they can influence who is selected as a candidate and other reasons. Just don't tell us your registered for one party and continually demonstrated that you politically line up with the other. It's lame and transparent.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Fed shutdown

                              Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                              This thread should probably be locked because disagreeing with the President should not qualify someone as racist. I agree that is an inflammatory thing to say, it only proves the person has no valid argument. NHM now further antagonizes rofl by insinuating he wears "panties", is that a cross dressing or antiGay slur?
                              CWS, I vote with my head not along party lines so although I voted democrat because of my upset with President Bush, I was certainly not going to vote democrat again. I did not expect miracles, and have explained that many times. You choose to accept trillions upon trillions of new debt and part time, low paying jobs as a good sign, I do not. Perhaps it is you who are not observant of the realities around you? There are thousands of Americans losing good paying full time jobs, their homes and way of life. There are thousands of hard working Americans who because of the healthcare law are losing hours of full time work so that their employer can circumvent the law. CWS, I submit that you see no further than your own immediate life and whatever "facts" your news channel, or other preferred media spins. I am convinced that party loyalists don't admit to or see the damage done. You can regard my posts as the ravings of a man ignorant of the "facts", I see absolutely nothing to convince me things are improving, nothing!

                              Frankie; you mistakingly place the blame for all our economic woes on whoever might be in the whitehouse at the time all the while forgetting that this is a capital driven economy and society. The administration does have an effect, especially when you consider that the fed is the largest employer in the country but aside from that, any sweeping economic changes must be brought out by the market itself because further government incursion into the economy moves us closer to the socialist philosophy which is not the direction that the founding fathers wished us to go. You make a big deal out of the trillions of dollars in debt but I don't think you really enderstand economics. In truth, those numbers have very little bearing on anything. They are numbers only with nothing substantial other than the faith in the United States governments ability to make good. The absolute worst thing you or anyone can do is to loose faith because the loss of faith causes markets to fall. The regressives have been pounding this deficit drum for the past 6 years. The same regressives by the way that said NOTHING when the numbers belonged to the Bush's. Why" why is because when the administration was their party, they had "faith" The facts are that the economy is improving. Not by leaps and bounds but it is improving. Unemployment numbers are down and while again the regressives will argue that those numbers are not a true reflection, they were strangely silent when Bush was in office. The number of illegal aliens is decreasing monthly, housing starts are up slightly, The market, though volatile is on average way up and
                              manufacturing is up also. Sure, its not a boom economy but it is recovering at a steady rate. There are plenty of folks that have lost jobs and continue to take unemployment and assistance money but many of those have made very little attempt to re-train to do something different. It reminds me of all those folks that worked in the buggy whip factory who lost their jobs when the automobile took over from the horse.

                              ROFL; I apologize for being a bit snarky but I get real tired of folks pissing and moaning and never doing anything to change things which is pretty much all the republicans have done in the past six years. If they would put some real and workable solutions on the table for a change I would be more than thrilled to get behind them, but I have seen NOTHING yet and from what I am hearing I dont think I will for a long time.
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                              • #60
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                                I love snarky responses when done in jest and with respectful affection. When done in an attitude of serious superior opinion I find it greatly offensive.

                                The attitude that "you'd agree with me if you just knew what you were talking about" is arrogance to an extraordinary level.

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