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  • #76
    Re: Fed shutdown

    Originally posted by red1234 View Post
    What can be done to bring back jobs ,lower taxes,and just in general work better as a nation ?
    Short answer, nothing!
    Long answer. Adopt some of the successful strategies of other countries, secure borders, set trade limits and tarriffs to prohibit imports. Lift EPA restrictions to encourage manufacturing, encourage energy independence which would lower costs to consumers and create jobs. Rebuild and moderize our infrastructure. I won't keep going because there is an almost limitless number of things that could be done to employ Americans and make America strong and secure. Sadly, I believe we are stuck in a cycle of dysfunction as we elect legislators from both political parties who accomplish nothing to bring about meaningful change.

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    • #77
      Re: Fed shutdown

      NHM, thats why I dont listen to hannity or Limbaugh anymore. Only national host I listen to anymore is Jason Lewis. That guy knows his stuff and answers to neither party.

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      • #78
        Re: Fed shutdown

        Originally posted by red1234 View Post
        What can be done to bring back jobs ,lower taxes,and just in general work better as a nation ?
        Bringing jobs back is up to the private sector. Manufacturing is driven by technology. Like it or not the industrial revolution has been over for at least 20 years. Those manufacturing jobs are never coming back. Unless we experience a total melt down of society, those industries that traditionally employed thousands will never be able to compete with foreign manufacturers. When the rest of the world has been brought up to our standard of living and their people begin to demand higher wages and benefits, then we will all be on a level playing field but thats many years away. China, the largest manufacturer of the kinds of things we can't produce cheaply is already beginning to experience the workers revolution so to speak and it took them less than 20 years. So when China can't supply the goods cheaply anymore manufacturing will move on to some other nation with a wealth of people willing to work for cheap.
        Taxes are never going down. Keep on dreaming. As long as people continue to demand services from their governments, local, state and federal, taxes will continue to climb. There is no easy solution other than to quit breeding LOL The economist John Maynard Keynes outlined the very situation we find ourselves in today over 50 years ago. Despite morons like Sean Hanity who feel that Keynes was a socialist, and he probably was, Keynes hit the problem square on the head. Too many people demanding too many services. Books have been written on the subject. Truthfully though I think we need some national projects. Big projects that involve scientific research and development.
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        • #79
          Re: Fed shutdown

          Originally posted by Alphacowboy View Post
          NHM, thats why I dont listen to hannity or Limbaugh anymore. Only national host I listen to anymore is Jason Lewis. That guy knows his stuff and answers to neither party.
          I listen to both of them fairly often. Its important to hear their destructive rhetoric in order to understand the mentality of the right wing regressive party. History is replete with dangerous individuals spewing dangerous ideaology. Tell the masses what the masses want to hear. Do it gently but do it repeatedly and in time they will come to believe aka dittoheads. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini et.al. are some examples of recent right wing conservative leaders.

          Personally though, I like to listen to Michael Savage. He holds both parties in equal contempt.
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          • #80
            Re: Fed shutdown

            Sounds like you enjoy being angry.

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            • #81
              Re: Fed shutdown

              I am a high school teacher. I am hardly ever angry. LOL

              No, seriously, I rarely am angry at anything. Anger generally serves no purpose other than to raise the blood pressure and cloud reasoning. Its far better to be patient and analytical.
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              • #82
                Re: Fed shutdown

                I highly suggest ya give Jason Lewis a listen NHM. You strike me as a libertarian type, with contempt for both sides. I use to side w/Republicans, but am finding myself more and more toward the libertarian side of things

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                • #83
                  Re: Fed shutdown

                  So the latest is that Boehner may have some back room deal to work out with the Democrats so we wait and see if they want to play ball or not. Personally, I would tell them to pound sand. Like it or not the health care bill was passed by both houses, signed by the president, reviewed by the Supreme Court and signed into law. If we allow these circus antics everytime the budget comes up for a vote we will never get anything done. If Cruz and his merry band are given any leeway at all here it sends a bad message to congress because whats to stop the same group from trying to repeal any passed law by holding the country hostage? Its pretty interesting that just a few days ago the tea party conservatives were sure that they had the mandate and the support and now it seems not so much. Cruz really thought that he was in a position of power and in reality what he and his cohorts have done is to further weaken the republican party and cement a whole lot of independent voters suspicions. I think that their antics may well have tanked any chance they might have had of regaining seats in congress and the senate and will have no effect on the health care bill.
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                  • #84
                    Re: Fed shutdown

                    Originally posted by Alphacowboy View Post
                    I highly suggest ya give Jason Lewis a listen NHM. You strike me as a libertarian type, with contempt for both sides. I use to side w/Republicans, but am finding myself more and more toward the libertarian side of things
                    I am so done with the republican party and its sad because I have been a registered republican for 40 years but I cant sit back and watch those idiots destroy the party from within. If the tea party conservatives want to for a 3rd party then have at it but they are solely responsible for turning the republican party into a national joke. I guess I'd side with the libertarians but they have some pretty wacky ideas too. Their defacto leader, has been in congress for over 20 years and he claims that he isn't a Washington insider..LOL 20 years in Washington and what has he accomplished? Not an insider but his boy Rand is in there too. When did politics become a family affair? Aren't you sick of the same families and names coming up in every damn election? Here in new hampshire, its the same half dozen names year after year.
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                    • #85
                      Re: Fed shutdown

                      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                      CWS, this is what I was referring to, and is serves no constructive purpose.
                      Okay! I believfe I followed up on that, saying that I wasn't a fan of Ed Shulz (he like too many on both sides like to get extreme, IMO), but I could see that quite a bit of the anti-Obama rhetoric is often racist in nature. That is not saying that this is the case here with the ACA though.

                      BUT.... nobody called YOU a "racist".... AND, you are right, such labels serve nothing or no one, except those who hold the same "supremist" ideas. There are far too many of those and I feel thier numbers have grown substantially in the past several years.

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                      Last edited by CWSmith; 10-04-2013, 11:25 AM.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Fed shutdown

                        Originally posted by CWSmith View Post
                        Okay! I believfe I followed up on that, saying that I wasn't a fan of Ed Shulz (he like too many on both sides like to get extreme, IMO), but I could see that quite a bit of the anti-Obama rhetoric is often racist in nature. That is not saying that this is the case here with the ACA though.

                        BUT.... nobody called YOU a "racist".... AND, you are right, such labels serve nothing or no one, except those who hold the same "supremist" ideas. There are far too many of those and I feel thier numbers have grown substantially in the past several years.

                        CWS
                        "The real reason for the shutdown is white "racism" (according to that genius Ed Schultz) LOL!
                        I'm not a big fan of Ed's either, but I also don't think he's too far off the mark with those feelings. Just look at those who are behind this. Most all of them are white, male (two females, including Bachmann) and have made statements and actions that pretty much define thier positions.

                        What we have also seen is too much Gerrymandering to encompass those who feel the same way and thus ensure a rather off-balance representation that is hardly enlightned to the social and racial makeup of the country.

                        Personally I hate like he!! to think that our country is reversing itself, but the ugly head of "racism" appears to be out there and it's not hard to find. Given the lack of logic that seems to exist for some of these shenanigans, I don't think it's hard for anyone to look for other reasons why so much obstructionism exists." CWS

                        Rather than denounce the stupidity, you fed right into it. CWS, IF you try real hard and take off the blinders you can find plenty of sensible reasons people are against the healthcare law, and more debt through deficit spending. I say the law is harmful to small businesses, folks who are losing full time employment so their employers can circumvent the law, and others. To call your opponents racist is a poor way to weasle out of a factual discussion of the issues. What you did by supporting that statement is no different from someone posting a similar stupid remark by sean hannity saying that those who opposed President Bush were unpatriotic. Myself and others were not unpatriotic during the bush administration, and while racism still exists, I would not use it to dismiss as racist those who oppose President Obama. Clearly this does not bother your conscience, it would bother mine!

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                        • #87
                          Re: Fed shutdown

                          Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                          Sorry, racist bums LOL
                          CWS, I'm lol as well, but would the same remark be made towards a Black man opposed to President Bush? No! The racist remark is a desperate, weak, move by folks who have nothing better to support thier positions. Let's see if we are lol, when healthcare costs skyrocket for working folks?

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                          • #88
                            Re: Fed shutdown

                            Oh good. Maybe we can finally get back to talking about health care. No doubt the current legislation is flawed but you have to remember that doing something about skyrocketing health care costs has been on the democrat agenda for 30 plus years and has always been met with the same response that the regressives are giving it now. Is there really anyone in the country that believes the system as it stands is good? I have Matthew Thornton through the school district. The district pays 1/2 and I pay the other 1/2. Its good insurance but it costs me 11 thousand a year and the district kicks in the other 11. So 22 grand a year for health insurance but according to the regressives, thats a good system. Again the current bill needs work so why in hell not get together and thrash out the bugs? Ill tell you why. Its because lawyers, pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies are dead set agains loosing a single dime of their outrageous profits and worse than that, since congress is fully staffed with lawyers and ex-lawyers the chances for pushing torte reform through are nill.
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                            • #89
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                              I know you think it's cute and all, but perhaps you could drop your pet name "regressives" and just discuss the topic. I pretty much skip everything you say following your namecalling. It's hard to offer respect to one that shows none.

                              Labels don't help especially when it's clear you intend them as an insult.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Fed shutdown

                                Wednesday afternoon on the radoi I listened to a couple health insurance brokers being interviewed. I found it interesting.

                                Listening to their answers to questions and reading(listening) between the lines I have concluded that they are opposed to
                                the ACA and as they plainly said they have lobbied congress hard to stop it...BECAUSE of the premiums they would lose by
                                people being able to buy health insurance online and cutting out the middle man (aka broker). One of their arguments was
                                if you should lose your insurance card they would take care of getting you a replacement. They like that 20 million new clients
                                will be forced to get health insurance, but they don;t like that they will not profit off many of them and will not be able to bilk
                                the government for useless services that most people can do online. And they have lobbied hard to stop or severely limiting
                                groups from offering free assistance to people with signing up for health insurance, because they want to make money for
                                offering this service to people.

                                That's when it hit me, They're only interested in making money, they have no objection to the ACA, they only object to being cut out
                                or having to compete with groups offering free services or online access to health care.
                                "It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?" Bob D. 2006

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