Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Affordable Care Act

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Re: Affordable Care Act

    So.....smooth or not?

    I turned off my psycobabble filter.

    Comment


    • Re: Affordable Care Act

      Personally I don't know, as I already have pretty decent insurance at a price less than it was two years ago (and with better benefits).

      The News today (CBS) reported that it was smoother, and that the number of successful sign-ups was significantly better. However, they did interview someone who was still having problems. I don't listen to FOX, but my opinion would be that they reported that it was still a failure (only guessing ).

      Probably it's somewhere in the middle of those two reports. Like all things, I'm of the belief that things will continue to improve with the site, but that there still will be enough problems to convince the doomsayers that they have been right all along.

      Only time will tell,

      CWS

      Comment


      • Re: Affordable Care Act

        Like I said though, what does it matter? The Neo-cons are so sure that the whole thing is going to fail anyway so why all the fuss over a screwed up web site? It just reinforces my opinion that the majority of those railing on and on about the entire issue are mostly doing so because they have an irrational hatred for Obama and would go out of their way to fault anything and everything he does or says. If Obama said the sky is blue, they would find cause to argue.
        sigpic

        Comment


        • Re: Affordable Care Act

          It's hilarious when people from one ditch make fun of the people in the other ditch.

          Apparently nobody in ditches own mirrors.

          Comment


          • Re: Affordable Care Act

            Originally posted by rjniles View Post
            Am I the only one who thinks this discussion is an abuse of this forum. And a mod needs to close (and dump) this discussion. Take it to a political forum.

            If anyone gives a rat's behind, I think the ACA will destroy our healthcare system.
            This is the reason I come to this forum to find out what you all really think and to argue with you if I don`t agree with you that is what freedom of speech is all about or would you rather live in China where freedom of speech is frowned on and you can disappear for stating your views politics and relegion are the most interesting subjects to argue about and I congratulate Ridgid for allowing it as many forums don`t and if this forum was just work related plumbing etc I wouldn`t bother coming

            Tony

            Comment


            • Re: Affordable Care Act

              You will all look back in five years or so when your economy is booming with jobs are everywhere your debt is under control and your medicare up and running smoothly there are alway teething and tweeking problems when starting something new we in Australia went through the same as you in 1972 when our medicare started and thought it would be the end of the world but if they tried to get rid of it now there would be blood in the streets political blood and that is how all of you will think in the years to come as you are all going to get old and will need medical help and wont be as cashed up as you thought you would be and that is why people get together and form civilizations to help each other there is an old saying together we stand divided we fall

              Tony

              Comment


              • Re: Affordable Care Act

                Socialism.

                Wanting everyone in the same sordid pot, having to rely on each other, everyone "equal" which is unions in a nutshell. If you're someone's son or daughter, you got a free ride in the establishment. If you even "think" as an outsider in that game, you'll instantly be outside that game.

                200,000 new jobs created last month and 41% were government jobs. Exactly how big will this bubble get before it bursts.


                My CPA has told me that so many people have went out of business in the past 3 years that it's unbelievable. That 'means' that those individuals joined alliances and now work for another company, and what does that mean?





                That means the inability to creatively build a business that manages your output of tax liability and promote the serious growth that small businesses need to create income and pay their share to the government.

                But with everyone working for someone else, that amount of tax liability goes significantly UP. WAY UP. And there's nothing you can do but tear the check from the stub, wince and do nothing...
                Northern Kentucky Plumbers Twitter Feed | Plumbing Videos

                Comment


                • Re: Affordable Care Act

                  Originally posted by DUNBAR PLUMBING View Post
                  But with everyone working for someone else, that amount of tax liability goes significantly UP. WAY UP. And there's nothing you can do but tear the check from the stub, wince and do nothing...

                  And isn't THAT, the results of Capitalism?

                  Listen, I'm about as independant as anyone can be in this age. I've never liked Unions, as I don't like the way they operate and how they give too much to those who don't deserve it, and give too little recognition to those who work the hardest.

                  However, I've spent my entire work life in industry, sometimes privately held, and most often as part of a corporate culture. Business is a dictatorship through and through. Unions are basically the "socialism" that has come about to deal with that "dictatorship" and it's abuses. Obviously I don't like either, and I don't think that anyone with an "independant" nature would. But let's recoganize things the way they are now and how that has developed over the last forty years.

                  We all have seen the exclamations of "transfer of wealth" that we think Obama is trying to do, and that we as "independants" think is so terribly wrong. But that thinking fails to recognize the great "transfer of wealth" that has taken place, since the 80's and Reaganomics. The working guys, the middle class, has seen their wealth shrink considerably. The "transfer" of that wealth has been dramatic, and too many have seen their incomes shrink in the face of inflation. Many of us have slipped into poverty. The 'minimum wage' has not kept up with inflation, and the rising cost of health care has bankrupted far too many. Yet, while the middle class has shrunk, the top 2% has seen thier wealth increase dramatically. Because of that, we now are bordering on an "aristocratic" society, in which the top minority rules over the majority. To them go the wealth and all the perkes that it entitles. We've seen the rules change even with government policies, and the GOP today speaks almost entirely for the aristocrats, and pushes a propaganda program that far too many 'middle class' are believing. If you look at today's corporate structures, there is very little of it that plays to the typical employee's advantage, especailly not the growth of thier wealth. Managers and especially upper-level managers don't just make a few thousand over those they manage, they make double and triple of thier employees; and in the case of top management, it can be ten to a hundred times more than the average worker. Where is the fairness in that?

                  Likewise, the cost of healthcare for a typical worker's family is at a point of bankrupting that family. There are NO controls over what hospitals, physicians, and pharmaceuticals can charge. ONLY competition, provides any sort of controls, and we've seen those independant care providers gobbled up by larger medical corporations. In the two areas that I live, both have become dominated by large corporate medical practices and it is almost impossible to find any independant doctors, and certainly no pharmacies. So, there really is NO competition to contain or restrict healthcare charges.

                  In the 70's a doctor in my area charged $6 per office call, and you could actually get to spend some time with him. Today, that doctor works for a large corporation, and his charge is now $175, and you get ten to fifteen minutes, because he's backlogged. Then you get separate charges for bloodtest, analysic, etc., which usually adds another $150 or so. NO price controls at all.

                  This isn't a result of socialism, it's a result of capitalism!



                  CWS

                  Comment


                  • Re: Affordable Care Act

                    CWS that was a well thought out response, and I understand the meaning of what you're saying.

                    But there are those (like myself) that don't follow the regimens of being 'capable' to work for the establishment. It's in my blood and with the many disabilities I have, I cannot have someone push me to the limits in the course of a day and 'not' allow me to protect numero uno one. And that's exactly what happens regardless of who's manning the ship.


                    I've been running multiple businesses, work every day, but I can't physically work as a greeter for walmart, flip burgers at mcdonald's as the standing would have me eating pain pills like candy.



                    Flip the coin, give me a sit down job and my arthritis/lack of physical activity will have me wheelchair bound in no time flat. It's the reality.


                    But tell me where capitalism all a sudden got a bad name.
                    Northern Kentucky Plumbers Twitter Feed | Plumbing Videos

                    Comment


                    • Re: Affordable Care Act

                      I said I wasn't going to post on this thread again and then I read this crap about Unions! I guess when you can't do anything about all the illegals burdening our economy, and all the welfare moms and children "We" taxpayers support, and all the entitlement fraud, you go after folks who actually work for a living and happen to be part of a Union. You really hate Unions and the folks who make up thier membership? Then don't be a hypocrit, refuse to work for any Union customers. It never fails to amaze me that with all the folks who don't work, do nothing to contribute to our economy, the best you can do is attack Unions. Yes, Unions are trying to keep their members from going under in this economy with all the inflation and all the jobs lost and all the entitlements and fraud. The Unions will fail, and their members will lose jobs and wages as they join the ranks of the low class. Only going to be two classes here the rich and the poor. Which will you be if you throw working folks under the bus? Remember your words, they will haunt you in the future because as more and more middle class working folks fail we all get a little closer to a total collapse. Enjoy your holidays while you can, the end is near. Frank

                      P.S. Capitalism got a bad name as "capitalists" with the help of moronic politicians shipped manufacturing and jobs out of our country. We no longer supply the needs of the world, we are simply a dead society importing the garbage made elsewhere. The capitalists have destroyed their consumer base here for the almighty dollar. This had nothing to do with the Unions, it had everything to do with profit! Aside from the slave wages of the third world (free markets) there is no EPA, OSHA or other government oversight. The capitalists can pollute the world as they stole American jobs and the taxes American based manufacturing provided. The Unions are not without guilt in this dysfunctional scenario as they fight a losing battle. Just consider how impossible all these players have made any chance for a turnaround of our economy? The jobs and tax revenues are not coming back here, ever! The entitlements are growing, so is inflation. The Unions won't back down, and small business owners are forced to raise rates as their costs rise. How can any sane person say things are getting better ?
                      Last edited by Frankiarmz; 12-07-2013, 09:12 PM.

                      Comment


                      • Re: Affordable Care Act

                        Once again CW has done an admirable job of cutting through the half truths, misconceptions and outright lies spewed forth by the GOP. It is a credit to them though that their propaganda has managed to rope as many middle and lower class folks into believing that they are actually fighting for the little guy when it only takes a few minutes of research to unequivocally prove that the GOP has done NOTHING to support the middle class or the working man in over a hundred years. Believers think the GOP fully supports everyone's right to make whatever the want of themselves while in truth they have been systematically passing laws and policies over the years that make that dream all but impossible.

                        Furthermore, and I know a bunch of you will say "I never listen to them". Google the salaries of the talking heads at FOX and clear channel communications. They get paid multi-million dollar contracts to support the GOP. Where do you really think that money comes from? If you said advertising your are dead wrong. Advertising only pays a very small portion of their salaries but even that portion is ostensibly paid by the same huge corporations that they are always supporting.

                        BTW, I'm still waiting for the correct definition of socialism and Dunbar wasn't even close.
                        Last edited by NHMaster3015; 12-08-2013, 08:23 AM.
                        sigpic

                        Comment


                        • Re: Affordable Care Act

                          Liberal policies have trapped the lower class into living off the government teet with no opportunity or desire to improve their situation.

                          NHM....your shortcoming isn't that you can't see through facades of conservatives. It's that you fail to see through the facades you align yourself with. Your self congratulatory commentary pads your ego without accessing the depth of truth. A little bit of truth is destructive. Or "progressive" if you like that badge so much.

                          Comment


                          • Re: Affordable Care Act

                            It's not worth my time arguing with you. You wouldn't see or understand the truth if it slapped you in the face which in fact it pretty much does, you're just too blind and ignorant to see it.

                            Oh, and thanks for repeating the Limbaugh theorem WORD FOR WORD LOL
                            sigpic

                            Comment


                            • Re: Affordable Care Act

                              Originally posted by rofl View Post
                              Liberal policies have trapped the lower class into living off the government teet with no opportunity or desire to improve their situation.

                              NHM....your shortcoming isn't that you can't see through facades of conservatives. It's that you fail to see through the facades you align yourself with. Your self congratulatory commentary pads your ego without accessing the depth of truth. A little bit of truth is destructive. Or "progressive" if you like that badge so much.
                              What is the lower class ? And when does higher class began ?

                              Comment


                              • Re: Affordable Care Act

                                The only way I know what Rush said is when you tell me. The truth is you are partially right.

                                red you can try to make more of this if you want, but nobody whines when you distinguish upper or middle class. You can call what is left whatever you want and complain about the chosen word of others. Call me a few names if it makes you feel better.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X