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  • #46
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    Looks like the regressives finally got their sit down with the President last night. Funny how all the news talk (both sides) is centered around a temporary raising of the debt ceiling LOL, I thought the regressives were holding out for a defunding of ACA, Not being mentioned at all there LOL.

    Question, lets for the fun of it say that Obama and the democrats did allow Ted Cruz's shinnanigans to defund ACA. Whats to stop either party from holding the budget process hostage over any piece of past legislation they are not happy with like say Row V wade or the patriot act. 44 times since the passage of the ACA John Boehner and the republican regressive wing have attempted to overturn the bill. 44 times they have been shut down. The bill was passed by both houses, signed by the president and upheld by the supreme court. I understand that there are folks opposed to it. There have been many such controversial and unpopular bills passed over the years but none have been subject to the idiocy that this bill has been. I get that but then again there are folks opposed to almost every piece of legislation passed since G Washington was the president. The tea party has tried very hard to blame the government shutdown on Obama and the democrats when in fact it was the right wing regressives and their latest attemt to overturn ACA that caused it. Again, if allowed there is nothing to stop either party from continually holding up the business of the country until they get their way. Thats not how our government was founded and not the intent of the constitution. The republicans are changing thier toon now because they realize that most Americans see through their crap and lies and aren't buying into their constant inability to bring anything of value to the table.

    Why doesn't congress have to abide by the same ACA bill as everyone else? Doooohh well for one, their pay rate is well above what the bill is there to cover. For two, even under ACA folks that already have insurance can keep their insurance, I.E. the bill will have zero effect on my insurance. For three, if you have the money, you can still buy any insurance plan you want to buy. The ACA is not single payer and though the regressives keep pounding that, it ISN'T We see through the lies, ommissions and half truths being spouted by them. Its over. Go back to work with your tails between your legs, they are whipped dogs.
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    • #47
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      Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
      regressives...blah blah blah....lol...blah blah blah...
      Broken record.

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      • #48
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        Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
        The bill was passed by both houses, signed by the president and upheld by the supreme court.
        Many would argue the "socialist" party lost the House and almost the Senate because of the games played to pass Obamacare.

        The Supreme Court upheld Obamacare as a Tax, something the "socialist" claimed it was not.

        Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
        Why doesn't congress have to abide by the same ACA bill as everyone else? Doooohh well for one, their pay rate is well above what the bill is there to cover.
        Then why doesn't Obamacare have a cap at salaries above $174.000.00? Oh wait, because it includes Staffers, why doesn't Obamacare have a cap at salaries above $30.550.00?

        I happen to feel Obamacare is horrible in many ways but it is the law and should be played out.

        Mark
        "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

        I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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        • #49
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          So now obamacare has nothing to do with the President, he is just some mindless fool signing laws that impact our country? Please be a responsible adult and expect the same from others in positions of authority. Our economy cannot provide healthcare for all, we are a dying society. You can hit the ignore button and bathe in your blissful ignorance but it is no better than the guy who shuts his eyes and turns away from a punch or a bullet. You are still going to get hit! We still have no way of turning our economy around as we consume but do not make for ourselves or the world. Agressively encouraging people to take advantage of entitlements while doing nothing to lower the cost of fuel so they might find jobs or keep the ones they have is counterproductive to growth. Engaging in these politcal battles does nothing to change the atmosphere for job growth. Where is the common sense these days? I would rather deal with more harmful pollution in the near future as we take back some of our manufacturing and wealth from communist china, than NO future and a communist china that never stops polluting the world! You don't strengthen your country/economy or physical body by hiding in a corner and keeping still. You get busy, get moving, make mistakes, incur injuries, take risks, but reap the rewards of growth. We have become a motionless painting of a once thriving entity.
          Build the plants and refineries while you build the infrastructure for propane and wind, and solar, to power the "green" vehicles and homes. Employ the masses, rather than care for them as livestock. Nah. hit that ignore button and thank eachother some more. Frank

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          • #50
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            Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
            Many would argue the "socialist" party lost the House and almost the Senate because of the games played to pass Obamacare.

            The Supreme Court upheld Obamacare as a Tax, something the "socialist" claimed it was not.



            Then why doesn't Obamacare have a cap at salaries above $174.000.00? Oh wait, because it includes Staffers, why doesn't Obamacare have a cap at salaries above $30.550.00?

            I happen to feel Obamacare is horrible in many ways but it is the law and should be played out.

            Mark

            Well yes I have heard that argument too but that same scenario has been repeated throught our history. Good for the Goose...........

            I'm no fan of the current bill either, It needs work and it needs by-partisan work. So lets quit all the demogoging and posturing and hit the table and get her done.
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            • #51
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              Frankie; This is a plumbing forum so I invite you to take a look into the companies, US companies that make things like Boilers and furnaces
              Water Heaters
              Toilets, sinks, showers, valves and fittings
              Copper pipe
              Plastic pipe

              The list goes on for awhile and most if not all of those companies are growing rapidly

              If we can afford to run two to three wars at a time. If our military budget is 40 something percent of the overall budget, we sure as hell can afford ACA and a whole lot more than that.
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              • #52
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                You are wrong NHM. We could not afford the wars, or the healthcare, or the entitlements. We are simply digging the hole deeper. Since when is overspending, and incurring massive debt a sign that a person or government can "afford" more spending? Ridiculous statement on your part.

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                • #53
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                  History proves that we can indeed afford it and much much more. You make the mistake of believing that there should be a surplus of monies or at least the government should break even. The federal government has been opperating at a deficit since I believe 1873 and even then, only for about a year. We have always operated at a deficit and folks have been complaining about government spending since George Washington was in the White House. The tea party has you all riled up over nothing. Economies swell and economies shrink. Always have and always will. 8% unemployment means that 92% of those wanting a job, have one.
                  Last edited by NHMaster3015; 10-11-2013, 01:02 PM.
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                  • #54
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                    Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                    History proves that we can indeed afford it and much much more. You make the mistake of believing that there should be a surplus of monies or at least the government should break even. The federal government has been opperating at a deficit since I believe 1873 and even then, only for about a year. We have always operated at a deficit and folks have been complaining about government spending since George Washington was in the White House. The tea party has you all riled up over nothing. Economies swell and economies shrink. Always have and always will. 8% unemployment means that 92% of those wanting a job, have one.
                    History does not always repeat itself, we are in uncharted territory. Maybe you are spouting someone else's talking point but I speak for myself. Never listened to the tea party, maybe they have some good ideas? There is no way out of this doomed economy, no new jobs sector, no manufacturing where we employ the masses and provide for the world's needs! That 8% unemployment figure is probably closer to 20% or higher if reported honestly. We are no different than a lazy bum who does not want to work but who keeps buying things on credit anyway. The bill will come due.

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                    • #55
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                      I still haven't figured out why NHM is the one that follows Rush but somehow we are the sheep.

                      Maybe topics are "talking points" because they are current and relevant. Neither of which connects my opinion to their topic.

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                      • #56
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                        Do ya hear what I'm saying coming from anyone in either party?
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                        • #57
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                          Your intellect is far greater than everyone else and no one "gets it".

                          Only possible explanation.

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                          • #58
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                            Or I could be really wrong
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                            • #59
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                              Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                              Or I could be really wrong
                              Just wrong would suffice, really would be pushing it

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                              • #60
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                                I was wrong just once about thirty years ago but nobody noticed so I kept it to myself.
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