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    but most are educated people with years of experience.
    are they the ones who hired the contractor to built the ACA website?
    "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
    John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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      Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
      You interpret freedom as an excuse for Americans to do the wrong things, take no personal responsibility for their actions, and have others pay for their bad behavior. That is the opposite of showing pride for yourself or your country.
      "The first requisite of a good citizen in this Republic of ours is that he shall be able and
      willing to pull his weight - that he shall not be a mere passenger." Theodore Roosevelt
      "When we build let us think we build forever. Let it not be for present delight nor for present use alone. Let it be such work that our descendants will thank us for, and let us think, as we lay stone upon stone, that a time is to come when these stones will be held sacred because our hands have touched them, and that men will say, as they look upon the labor and wrought substance of them, "See! This our fathers did for us."
      John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)

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        That's a great post Bob and it shows why the line between democracy and socialism is a very thin line indeed. Just how much freedom are we willing to pay for?
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          Not a thin line at all.

          Are you a "good citizen" because you choose to be through encouragement or are you forced to be through taxation.

          I should say excessive taxation to compensate for moochers.
          Last edited by rofl; 10-27-2013, 01:56 PM.

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            A bit of each I would say.
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              I would say we are way past the part of being good citizens by carrying the needy(those who choose to over indulge in junk food , alcohol, and drugs and not exercise). The lack of full time good paying jobs makes it impossible for those of us supporting the system through our taxes, to temporarily help those who are in need. There is no rainbow at the end of this storm. Who knew I had so much in common with Teddy R.?

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                There are plenty of good paying, full time jobs for those that are trained and willing. Currently there are over three million jobs open to skilled people that unfortunately, we don't have the skilled people to fill. Cattapiller is looking for 6000 alone world wide.
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                  Wow! Even the totally liberal newspapers are denouncing ACA now. It really has to be terrible for them to get off the Obama bandwagon.

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                    Even if the law is repealed we are doomed! All is lost, the end is near! Have a good night everyone

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                      The piraƱa smell blood in the water. The media will jump on whatever brings in the advertising dollars.
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                        Have you ever been called an Obama apologist?

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                          Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                          A bit of each I would say.
                          No, you are what I call a "sociacapitalist". You take advantage of what ever you can in the private sector based in the majority on your actions.
                          Then if you desire something that is a little too difficult in your opinion in the private sector, or more beneficial, you seek the rest of the people to give it to you in the public sector with low contribution vs. benefit.

                          Sound familiar? Kind of like most congressman, senators, etc.

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                            Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                            There are plenty of good paying, full time jobs for those that are trained and willing. Currently there are over three million jobs open to skilled people that unfortunately, we don't have the skilled people to fill. Cattapiller is looking for 6000 alone world wide.
                            I never find this to be true on the skill level. Many occupations that used to require this or that degree are easily done now by non-degreed people. The nature of production I suppose.

                            Willing, is true. So many in the U.S., whether they came from the poorest of areas, middle, or upper class....seem to only want something specific that they "like". So they are unwilling to fill many positions that are available, but may not necessarily want to do, thereby giving the misinformation that there isn't enough "skilled" to fill them.

                            I have zero time for the unwilling. I have no problem if they starve in the street and die. Yes I said it.

                            So when any study puts the blanket label of there aren't skilled to fill positions, it's a lie skewing information to attempt to sway opinion of the author.

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                              Most of those jobs are for skilled welders, machinists and set up, inspection, metal fabrication, composite fabrication, plumbers and HVAC technicians. Welding is really hurting right now with the average age of welders being 63.
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                                Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                                Most of those jobs are for skilled welders, machinists and set up, inspection, metal fabrication, composite fabrication, plumbers and HVAC technicians. Welding is really hurting right now with the average age of welders being 63.
                                It's been beaten to death, but it's America's "War on Work" as Mike Rowe put it. The majority of parents cannot envision their precious flower welding. Oh no, that's demeaning-non-thinking work for people that couldn't get into college.

                                But the majority of kids should NOT go to a 4 year institution out of high school. This has been statistically proven. Last stat & story I read is that only about 25% are really qualified. Meanwhile the owners of these businesses (colleges, and they ARE businesses) are privately and publicly funded LIARS that should be jailed for causing a lot of this. They are blatantly guilty of fraud 1,000's of times over allowing students in that then have to sign up for all kinds of remedial math and English classes right out of the gate.

                                And believe it or not, I'm a proponent of education. Would go right now if my world could be in that position. But it's absolute ignorant and ludicrous thinking to believe that all students should attend, or even 50% should attend, 4 year institutions out of high school.

                                On top of that, the majority of parents shouldn't be trying to send them either. Like it or not, they know if their little Mary or Johnny is a dumbazz and/or not prepared for it.

                                Then institutions are willing to degree people that are unprepared for their field.

                                Then companies have been traditionally blindingly stupid using the criteria of the degree as a screening for hire.

                                So it becomes a perpetual cycle with the percentages to constantly adjust toward failure.

                                Companies are starting to realize this though. That's why more and more of them are using critical thinking & personality tests to assess what you can do vs. what your education may be. The way it should have always been in my opinion.
                                Last edited by BobsPlumbing; 10-27-2013, 08:46 PM.

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