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  • BobsPlumbing
    started a topic Affordable Care Act

    Affordable Care Act

    There is a long thread about the Fed Shutdown, which in turn, is blamed upon The Affordable Care Act.

    I personally think many are knee-jerk opposed to it just because they don't like change and are afraid of the unknown.

    When I have asked, like most things political, they really didn't know how it would affect them.

    My friend that is an assistant to a doctor has said it has been a nightmare for him trying to answer all the questions about the change. He is even being asked questions about it all from doctors!

    So I thought I would start this thread to ask some simple questions.

    How will The Affordable Care Act affect you?
    Financially?
    Better or worse insurance for you per dollar spent?


    Thanks.

  • Frankiarmz
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    Re: Affordable Care Act

    Originally posted by BobsPlumbing View Post
    Well, the label "Deadbeat Dad" gets extremely overused. Many, heck, maybe even the majority of fathers want to provide "reasonable" income & support for their children. Unfortunately, every person reading this probably knows of a story of a father being treated unreasonably by their ex and the court system.

    Again, the breakdown of the traditional American family is the root of the problem.
    The "traditional" family no longer works as proven by crowded courts and countless divorces. There must be a new arrangement to reduce divorce, and the burden it causes on the courts and economy. Since men cleary are more sexual for much longer throughout their lives and women really don't want the intimate attention of their husbands once they have children, I have a few ideas. Marriage needs to be open ended(pun intended), five year or so renegotiable. Once the woman makes it clear she no longer shares her husbands desires, they separate amicably. Since there are many more younger women looking for stable, mature men, the women would go into a sort of pool and get picked up by the now single men (sort of like the insurance game). There are some kinks that need to be worked out but it sure beats the current institution. Have to go I hear the wife

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  • BobsPlumbing
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    Re: Affordable Care Act

    Well, the label "Deadbeat Dad" gets extremely overused. Many, heck, maybe even the majority of fathers want to provide "reasonable" income & support for their children. Unfortunately, every person reading this probably knows of a story of a father being treated unreasonably by their ex and the court system.

    Again, the breakdown of the traditional American family is the root of the problem.

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  • rjniles
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    Re: Affordable Care Act

    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
    If we really want to crackdown on deadbeat dads, and criminals in general there should be a national DNA database! I find it hard to think of former President clinton and personal responsibility in the same sentence, big disappointment and disgrace in my opinion.
    Now you are really going to wake up the Kool-aid drinkers

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  • Frankiarmz
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    Re: Affordable Care Act

    Originally posted by Plumbus View Post
    Cracking down on deadbeat fathers is a laudable activity, but I hardly call it something future presidential historians will be singing praises to.
    If we really want to crackdown on deadbeat dads, and criminals in general there should be a national DNA database! I find it hard to think of former President clinton and personal responsibility in the same sentence, big disappointment and disgrace in my opinion.

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  • Plumbus
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    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
    No I mean "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996".

    Mark
    Cracking down on deadbeat fathers is a laudable activity, but I hardly call it something future presidential historians will be singing praises to.

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  • Plumbus
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    Though I agree that the breakdown of the traditional family and the displacement of "juniors" in the workforce are detrimental to our society, I think our worst problem is globalization and it's cause (greed).
    Build a better mouse trap and expect economic rewards (if someone else doesn't steal the idea). Take advantage of cheaper labor offshore (without adding even the smallest innovation) and expect the same economic rewards.
    Last edited by Plumbus; 12-14-2013, 04:34 PM.

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  • BobsPlumbing
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    Low wages, poor education, illegal aliens, heck-even healthcare is not the worst problems in the U.S.

    The major problem in the U.S. is the breakdown of the traditional American family. Period.

    All the other problems are affected & compounded by that.

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  • AFM
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    [QUOTE=ToUtahNow;409663]See it shows what you know about people. My parents were poor when I was growing up so I have worked at one job or another since I was 11-years old. My parents didn't have money for me to go to college so I made sure I sent all six of my kids to college. I am high school educated but have been taking various college classes over the last 28-years. I started when I had a daughter who wanted to take college classes at night while still attending high school. I didn't want her to go alone and I had to drive her anyways.

    These jobs are jobs meant for what you classified as juniors. The problem is the juniors have been pushed out by the illegal aliens and now the working poor. These jobs were never meant to pay a living wage. You pay your juniors $7.89 per hour, our minimum wage is $8.00 per hour but has been approved to be increased to $10 per hour. I have no issues with the government helping the working poor but we have a system which awards you for not working and penalizes you for being the working poor. Our entitlements programs should mandate training, education and civil work rather than just a handout. President Bush help pass a welfare reform act which president Clinton implemented. Obama has now used what he has called "Executive Orders" to tear it apart.

    By the way, egalitarian is defines as equal, not rewarded at the cost of others.

    Mark

    I never said your parents were rich Mark I said you had a good upbringing your parents taught you values and gave you a good education even though you didn`t go to what you call college which I assume is University I also assume you parents didn`t divoice and were brought up by a single parent your parents gave you the foundations to build a successfull life which millions didn`t there is an old saying we carn`t all be cheifs there has to be indians and these indians have to be payed a reasonable wage to live on

    Tony

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  • NHMaster3015
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    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
    Not true, there will always be teachers. We all have the abillity to be teachers. Good teachers will always find willing students. The poachers is where we run into trouble.

    Mark
    If you have a child, you are a teacher. If you plan on having a child, you will become a teacher. We are all teachers. It's what has allowed humans to evolve and survive.

    I too the son of a farmer cannot remember a time when I did not work. The biggest tragedy of this generation is that we teach them facts but rarely do we teach them the value, both economic and self enrichment of work. Work is zen. Hands guided by skill and experience free the mind to explore.

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  • Frankiarmz
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    Originally posted by MR.FUDD View Post
    Frank, why do you always find the negative in everything ?
    The world is not coming to an end.
    Try thinking like Donald Southerland in Kelly's Heroes


    There are jobs out there people just need to apply themselves more.
    My wife is studying to become an RN to help take care of me as my Ankylosing Spondylitis gets worse.
    After she finished her Phlebotomy courses a hospital offered her a job.
    They sought her out she did ask them for a job.
    If you apply yourself you can succeed. You just need to make the effort.


    If you work @ Mickey D's & don't do a good job & don't make the effort to find better employment then you be will stuck in a job that pays min. wage.
    That is your fault not society's.


    My medical condition is causing me to die a slow painful death, but I still work 12 hours a day 6 -7 a week.
    My financial situation is that I no longer have to work to live comfortably, but I do anyway.
    I could lay around & dwell on how bad I feel or I can get up & do something productive.
    I choose to be productive, but I focus on what I can & want to do instead of what I think I can't do.
    I was hoping as I read your post that the disease you mentioned was said in jest, and not a real and serious thing. I did an Internet search and learned a bit about your condition, and you have my compassion and concern. I wish you could know me as I am in my everday life and not as I doom and gloom about the economy, and society. I have herniated discs of the neck and lower back and degenerative disc disease. There is no calcification as in your case, but the pain is chronic and debilitating. In spite of my pain, I push myself to work around the house and property including working on my roof ( I also have menieres disease which affects balance). I have had thirteen major abdominal surgeries since I was a kid. I also push myself to exercise at least four times a week at the gym and I push as much as the young guys. I motivate and inspire the people in my life, my daughters and now my thirteen year old nephew and sixteen year old niece who are living with us since their Mom passed away. I encourage people to push past momentary upset, defeat, loss, depression, and anticipate better times. I motivate others to eat healthy, exercise, love and enjoy life "seize the moment"! My positive attitude does get challenged, but I persevere and give thanks for all I have. My posts on the economy, including entitlements, jobs, personal responsibility and the behavior of our elected officials, reflect what I have read, seen and believe to be true. I don't see the effort to change these things for the better and I learned a long time ago that for things to change you gotta change! You and I share a drive to work past our health issues rather than give up wait for death. I don't see that drive from our legislators to correct the damage to our economy, the debt, the jobs, the entitlements. My doom and gloom is born from frustration and extrapolation, not personal negative attitude. I'm familiar with that movie and the clip, are you familiar with the movie the shawshank redemption? Rememberr the line" Get busy living, or get busy dying"? Well, our country in general needs to get busy living, we need able bodied men and women to work jobs that will support their families. We need young people to be healthy not obese. We need legislators that do what is best for the country and not their political party. MR. FUDD, I live every day as if it is my last, and don't believe in pity parties, but when it comes to these posts I am a realist.

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  • MR.FUDD
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    Frank, why do you always find the negative in everything ?
    The world is not coming to an end.
    Try thinking like Donald Southerland in Kelly's Heroes


    There are jobs out there people just need to apply themselves more.
    My wife is studying to become an RN to help take care of me as my Ankylosing Spondylitis gets worse.
    After she finished her Phlebotomy courses a hospital offered her a job.
    They sought her out she did ask them for a job.
    If you apply yourself you can succeed. You just need to make the effort.


    If you work @ Mickey D's & don't do a good job & don't make the effort to find better employment then you be will stuck in a job that pays min. wage.
    That is your fault not society's.


    My medical condition is causing me to die a slow painful death, but I still work 12 hours a day 6 -7 a week.
    My financial situation is that I no longer have to work to live comfortably, but I do anyway.
    I could lay around & dwell on how bad I feel or I can get up & do something productive.
    I choose to be productive, but I focus on what I can & want to do instead of what I think I can't do.

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  • ToUtahNow
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    Originally posted by Plumbus View Post
    Do you mean like NAFTA?
    No I mean "The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996".

    Mark

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  • Plumbus
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    Originally posted by ToUtahNow View Post
    Clinton actually did a lot to make things better,
    Mark
    Do you mean like NAFTA?

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  • ToUtahNow
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    Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
    Very true, unfortunately there are no teachers, no willing students and the fish have been caught by poachers!
    Not true, there will always be teachers. We all have the abillity to be teachers. Good teachers will always find willing students. The poachers is where we run into trouble.

    Mark

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