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  • #91
    Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

    Originally posted by AFM View Post
    Could someone explain Obamacare in the simplest terms with No spin as our medicare in Australia is quite simple and has been working well since the 1970`s when we had all the doomsayers you are having but there would be revelution if they tried to get rid of it now
    The way ours works is that every tax paying citizen pays a percentage of their taxable income as a medicare tax around one to two percent per year which gives them medical and public hospital treatment but you cannot choose your doctor or hospital and is there is a waiting period if it is not an emergency but everything is covered
    There is also private health cover where you can choose your own doctor and hospital you wish to go to and there is no waiting depending on how busy your surgeon is there is also a catch if you have the income and so you don`t try to freeload on the tax payer if you haven`t joined a private fund after 30 years of age you will be penelised and for every year you don`t join you will pay hundred of dollars extra than if you joined at 30
    You can choose what cover you want the choose is endless I pay around $1600.00 per year for my private cover which covers everthing and around $1500.00 for medicare so I cannot understand why Australia and many other countries have had an affordable medicare and the US cannot something is vary wrong and someone is ripping off the people and should be held accountable and it is not Obama

    Tony
    Like anything else, most don't like changes. The promise of Obamacare was that it was going to be cheaper which for most it is not. For those of us who pay our own health care cost, the prices have gone up and we are now forced to have coverage we don't need or want. Where some large companies use to include your spouse, many are forcing the spouse off of the coverage. Many retirees are being taken off of private coverage and put on to exchanges. Obama keeps saying not to worry there will be subsidies to pay for those who can't afford it which is code for the rest of us will have to dig deeper into our pockets. To top if off, our government has proven to be the most inefficient handler of programs there is. How are they going to improve anything?

    Mark
    "Somewhere a Village is Missing Twelve Idiots!" - Casey Anthony

    I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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    • #92
      Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

      You and I, and those like us , hard working Americans ,who are responsible, GOT SCREWED! PERIOD! This is the biggest "bend over and take it" we've ever had. So what are we going to do about it?

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      • #93
        Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

        Originally posted by ironranger View Post
        You and I, and those like us , hard working Americans ,who are responsible, GOT SCREWED! PERIOD! This is the biggest "bend over and take it" we've ever had. So what are we going to do about it?
        Taxpayers including small business owners and workers are not without options in protesting this damaging law. Unifying is a start and then action once your grips are made public. Cutting back on things like charitable donations may sound extreme but it will bring others on board. Cutting back on your consumer spending by targeting specific vendors will also bring light to this issue. IF you truly are getting hit in the wallet, it only makes sense that you will not be spending the same going forward. Let President Obama and the rest of the democrats explain why working people are not spending money like they did before the law went into effect!

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        • #94
          Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

          Experience tells me that erer going to piss and moan about it until we find something else to piss and moan about and life will go on.
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          • #95
            Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

            Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
            Experience tells me that erer going to piss and moan about it until we find something else to piss and moan about and life will go on.
            You need more real life experience to draw from, get out of the classroom and move among the workers.

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            • #96
              Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

              Experience tells me that politicians lie constantly and many like their koolaid.

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              • #97
                Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                Originally posted by Frankiarmz View Post
                You need more real life experience to draw from, get out of the classroom and move among the workers.
                Frankie , I've been among the workers for 40 years.
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                • #98
                  Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                  Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                  Frankie , I've been among the workers for 40 years.
                  If that was true and you were not living in oblivion, you would be understanding of their plight in this economy. Working folks are having to deal with rising inflation, and many are losing hours and benefits. There are also many working folks who are losing their jobs and homes.
                  They cannot be further burdened financially by obamacare and expected to provide healthcare for those who do not contribute for themselves. I believe you cannot possibly understand what is going on beyond the scope of you immediate life, and speak the way you do.
                  You appear to be as disconnected from reality as the President when it comes to the taxpayers. I understand your stance on helping the masses, but I don't believe the money is available without hurting others. That is where we differ. I would support socialized medicine if our society was not in such a critical condition. Trillions in debt, high unemployment, many on entitlements, workers losing hours, benefits and pay, is not part of a successful formula to support such a plan.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                    How do you make it through the day? All the doom and gloom, sky is falling, what's the point in life? Yea, some things suck but as I drive around on this day I see people going about their day, laughing and happy. I see respect for our soldiers that have fought and died to protect this nation and I know that we will endure despite our troubles. We have gone through much much worse times in our past than we are faced with now.
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                    • Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                      Originally posted by NHMaster3015 View Post
                      How do you make it through the day? All the doom and gloom, sky is falling, what's the point in life? Yea, some things suck but as I drive around on this day I see people going about their day, laughing and happy. I see respect for our soldiers that have fought and died to protect this nation and I know that we will endure despite our troubles. We have gone through much much worse times in our past than we are faced with now.
                      NHM, I posted a thread on Veteran's Day, and I too see respect for our verterans, yourself included. Everyday I wakeup and I'm not in too much pain or feeling ill is a great day regardless of the weather. We can discuss the weather and happy folks, and all sorts of other issues since you refuse to discuss the issues and specifics at hand. You have no real responses when it comes to the massive debt, high unemployment, lack of full time, good paying jobs, unsustainable entitlements. You change the subject because you can't respond to those very real facts, and they are upsetting to millions of folks living in those realities.
                      I would imagine the Great Depression is one of those much worse times in our past you are referring to, unfortunatly no one I have spoken to (yourself included) has been able to suggest how we would recover from such an event in the present. We have no manufacturing to employ the masses and attract the wealth of the world as we did years ago. I don't expect you to respond to that question, or anything else I just wrote. You will talk about the sky falling and some other abstract idea you think will divert attention from the serious problems facing millions of Americans. The economy is getting worse, unemployment is getting worse, millions of Americans are losing their healthcare plans and paying more in this inflation crippled atmosphere. Put a smile on your face, think happy thoughts and avoid thinking too hard and too long about all that other stuff. Our government is printing money that is backed by nothing tangible, you have said the continued functioning of our economy is based purely on faith. Keep the faith brother because that is really all you have to support your opinions, in my opinion.

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                        The economy added 204,000 jobs in October, according to jobs numbers released Friday by the Labor Department, despite the two-week government shutdown that put thousands temporarily out of work, and which economists predicted would dampen last month's numbers. The jobs gain is about twice as many as expected. Employment numbers for August and September were also revised upwards by a total of 60,000 jobs, signaling the economy is strengthening, despite Republican efforts to tank it through budget cuts, shutdowns and default scares.

                        Manufacturing grew in October at a faster pace than forecast, showing U.S. factories were a source of strength for the economy at the start of the fourth quarter.
                        The Institute for Supply Management’s index climbed to 56.4, the highest since April 2011, from 56.2 a month earlier, the Tempe, Arizona-based group’s report showed today. Readings above 50 indicate growth. The median forecast in a Bloomberg survey of economists was 55.
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                        Workers sort "Necco Wafers" at the New England Confectionery Co. (Necco) in Revere, Massachusetts. Photographer: Scott Eisen/Bloomberg
                        Resilient motor vehicle sales and the recovery in housing are helping sustain production at the same time global markets begin to pick up. Today’s figures show the brinksmanship over the budget that closed the federal government for 16 days last month did little to spoil the rebound in manufacturing since the middle of the year.
                        “The government closure didn’t have much effect on manufacturing -- this is a modest pace of growth and fairly well-sustained,” said Terry Sheehan, an economic analyst at Stone & McCarthy Research Associates in Princeton, New Jersey, who projected a reading of 56.4. “We actually see some increase in the export orders, so it’s possible that some of the slowness in the global economy is beginning to ease.”

                        Really Frankie? You need to read more
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                        • Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                          I look at the shut down as who was right
                          Lets let Obuma play it course

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                          • Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                            Obama economy: Part-time jobs swamp full-time jobs - Washington Times

                            Obama, Romney Surrogates Spin Jobs Data

                            Obama

                            This administration, and every other one, spins numbers like crazy.

                            You'd think Obama could get some good numbers when you can trade 3 part time workers for a full time one.

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                            • Re: Obama Care, doesn't care?

                              NHM, see the post above. You are drinking the koolaid instead of opening your eyes and thinking for yourself. Things are bad, real bad and getting worse!

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                                Yea, Frankie, whatever you say. It's a waste of my time to bother with people that refuse to do the research and would rather spend their lives waiting for the sky to fall and piss and moan about everything. You say I have given no answers but yes I have. It's you that has brought nothing to the table other than your usual doomsday crap and frankly Frankie, it gets real old. Attitude is everything and yours just plain sucks. On top of that, even when hit in the face it's the facts you prefer to ignore them and continue down your path of depression. So good luck with that. ROFL, that horse crap is right out of the Limbaugh play book and like most of the drivel from him is pure misdirection and lies. READ Something other than FOX news for a change. No, you won't because you are all happy and comfortable being fed the crap that you digest so very well.
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