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    I just came across this youtube clip and thought I would share. It is for a product called "Just for copper" and is basically a glue for copper joints. Anyone Hear of it or use it before?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HX6a...eature=related

  • #2
    Re: No Flame Soldering

    Yes and other than being junk, it is illegal to use.

    Mark
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    I never lost a cent on the jobs I didn't get!

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    • #3
      Re: No Flame Soldering

      I'd never use an epoxy to join copper pipe but Trane uses a special epoxy to join copper tubing to their aluminum condensers.
      Buy cheap, buy twice.

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      • #4
        Re: No Flame Soldering

        Hope it becomes legal here.
        Why not?
        There have been some horribly difficult places to solder.
        Some new construction has burned to the ground thought to be due to pipe soldering.

        This video is better:http://www.youtube.com/v/WVdzP53X9vw..._embedded&fs=1
        Last edited by Robert Gift; 06-01-2010, 02:02 PM.
        I'd take an educated guess - but I'm unqualified.
        It ain't just soot, it's paydirt.
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        • #5
          Re: No Flame Soldering

          Originally posted by Robert Gift View Post
          Hope it becomes legal here.
          Why not?
          There have been some horribly difficult places to solder.
          Some new construction has burned to the ground thought to be due to pipe soldering.

          This video is better:http://www.youtube.com/v/WVdzP53X9vw..._embedded&fs=1
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          • #6
            Re: No Flame Soldering

            There is a 3M product that is approved but you have to use their fittings as well. I will find the link and post up when I got some time.
            Ron Hasil Lic #058-160417
            A-Archer Sewer & Plumbing specializing in:
            Tankless Water Heaters | Drain and Sewer Cleaning
            Sump and Ejector Pumps | Backflow RPZ Testing

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            • #7
              Re: No Flame Soldering

              I decided to dig a little further and here is a link to 10 product user reviews from amazon.com. They are very interesting. One guy actually plumbed his entire house with the stuff! I would never use this stuff it sounds horrible but apparently there is another product like it too named Copper-Bond.



              Reviews:
              http://www.amazon.com/Just-Copper-JF...owViewpoints=1

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              • #8
                Re: No Flame Soldering

                Originally posted by Hosh View Post
                I decided to dig a little further and here is a link to 10 product user reviews from amazon.com. They are very interesting. One guy actually plumbed his entire house with the stuff! I would never use this stuff it sounds horrible but apparently there is another product like it too named Copper-Bond.
                When I redid plumbing in my 1885 house, (real 2x4s - pitch smelled wonderful when cut) I had to keep a water spray bottle because so many places were so tight and narrow, especially in the "slitherspace", I was afraid I'd burn the house down.
                This would be wonderful for such situations.
                Hope it would never develope a leak.
                I'd take an educated guess - but I'm unqualified.
                It ain't just soot, it's paydirt.
                "I swear, wherever Gift goes, argument follows." -Youtube comment

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                • #9
                  Re: No Flame Soldering

                  I wouldn't guess it to be good. It's my job to get it soldered and not burn the house down. It ALWAYS can be done. Soldered many times with dried & even frayed-edge wood right there.

                  "Real 2x4's". Boy that rings true. Who decided it to be good enough for everyone to just accept the drying and planing of the lumber to 1.5"x3.5"?

                  Now it gets more devious. I was on a job not long ago and doing some blocking, drilling holes, etc. Something just didn't look right to my eye. I measured the 2x4's and it was a clear 1/16" shorter off the broad side. Think I'm crazy? Ever seen the computers used to divide logs into their cuts in a modern lumber company? Trust me, they KNOW how much $$$ 1/16" amounts too in a million board feet.

                  J.C.

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                  • #10
                    Re: No Flame Soldering

                    Honestly I don't understand what is so tough about sweating pipes.

                    I'm just an average homeowner, but last year I repiped my house. I had one pinhole leak in a joint that happened on a fitting in a tough spot. After I struggled getting that one in (at the time I didn't know it was a leaker), I realized that in other really tough spots it was a simple matter to make up the pieces into a little "subassembly" and then set them in place, avoiding the whole problem. I used that trick a couple of other times in completing the project.

                    When I turned the water pressure on and discovered the leaker, I cut it out, soldered up some new fittings (up on the surface, in relative cleanliness and comfort!), and put the assembly in place in just a few minutes -- easy as pie.

                    On the scale of home improvement skills... I dunno, I don't think soldering is all that hard to get the hang of. These goofy glue products prey on the average homeowner's fear... but I just don't think they're necessary at all.

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                    • #11
                      Re: No Flame Soldering

                      Here you go no flame soldering by Ridgid. http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/RT100-So...n/EN/index.htm

                      Ron Hasil Lic #058-160417
                      A-Archer Sewer & Plumbing specializing in:
                      Tankless Water Heaters | Drain and Sewer Cleaning
                      Sump and Ejector Pumps | Backflow RPZ Testing

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                      • #12
                        Re: No Flame Soldering

                        i've seen those online and stuff, but never in-person... do they work well?

                        i've used the "just for copper" a few timeit s on DWV... several years later, it hasn't failed yet, but I wouldn't trust it on domestic pressure.

                        if you ever need to get the joint apart... GOOD LUCK! two torches and channellocks got it to start moving, but ended up destroying the copper and fittings before I got it apart.

                        in short, if you can't work copper... that's ok, don't do it, and call someone who can

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