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    I have been asked to look into this. VERY few boilers here. I've been into TONS of houses in the area and have only come across 4. Three of them have the same guys sticker on them, including this one. He's about 80 years old and either has passed or won't answer the phone this year. Honestly, most plumbers here are clueless to them. I should probably be considered clueless also but have learned/am learning from the more experienced here.

    So here's the deal I'm looking at that's been dumped in my lap. If ok, I'd appreciate any insight on this by the experienced boiler guys. I do mean ANY ideas or opinions.

    Problem:

    They asked the local NG company to come out and light/start the system and they flagged it as the vent "not drawing". I do not trust the gas people to know what they are looking at though.There is a water heater attached to the same chimney that does seem to be drawing.

    I have a bunch of pictures I'll post. Will take a few sections. Maybe it will help. I told them I refuse to touch it until I do some homework.

    Thanks for any help.

    J.C.
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    Re: For the Boiler Boys...

    More pics.

    Thanks.

    J.C.
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    • #3
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      Last of pics. The last two should be of a couple of radiators that they complain about. These "finned" ones have "never been cleaned" and overall have "not worked as well as the other cast iron ones"

      The old couple says "the one in our bedroom weighs 900lbs.!"

      Thanks.

      J.C.
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      • #4
        Re: For the Boiler Boys...

        Only i new shinny part out of all the pics
        I would pull the boiler vent loose to make sure no birds are nesting in it

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        • #5
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          WOW! that's ugly!

          My first instinct would be to condemn it without even touching it. It's not drafting properly. You see the scorching of the front inside panel? Looks like more around back at the draft diverter also.

          If you DO decide to mess with it you need to make it right before you walk away. A couple hours of work at least there.

          Pull the B vent off the chimney and clean all the dead birds out (should be at least 3 or 4 in there) Make sure the chimney is properly drawing there. Reinstall B vent.

          Pull all the burners out and clean them. Make sure there are no rusted out ones. Shove your Micro Explorer up the heat exchanger before reinstalling burners. Look for large deposits of soot in between the cast iron sections. I guarantee you will find several sections stopped up. Most likey the ones right in front of the scorched panel.

          You'll need a long skinny boiler brush with metal bristols. Ram it up each section as far as you can while taking deep breathes. This is to get the soot deep into the lung tissues. Shop vac the combustion box and reinstall the burners. Now would be a good time to check the gas manifold pressure and do a Carbon Monoxide test before leaving.

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          • #6
            Re: For the Boiler Boys...

            Originally posted by DELCASE View Post
            Only i new shinny part out of all the pics
            I would pull the boiler vent loose to make sure no birds are nesting in it
            Probably a good idea. Then replace the flue piping and light and test..
            ''Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy" Benjamin Franklin

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            • #7
              Re: For the Boiler Boys...

              See the rectangle part of the vent coming right off the unit? Right before the transition to the circular vent?

              There is no bottom to that. Wide open. Right? Wrong?

              J.C.

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              • #8
                Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                Originally posted by JCsPlumbing View Post
                See the rectangle part of the vent coming right off the unit? Right before the transition to the circular vent?

                There is no bottom to that. Wide open. Right? Wrong?

                J.C.
                LOL yeah wide open bottom to draw in fresh air. It's right

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                • #9
                  Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                  Originally posted by plumberscrack View Post
                  LOL yeah wide open bottom to draw in fresh air. It's right
                  Told you I was clueless.

                  Thanks.

                  J.C.

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                  • #10
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                    Honestly, I don't even know how to fire the thing and put it through it's cycle.

                    I want to tell them to call a "specialist" but am not aware of any here I trust to recommend.

                    I also want to figure out the challenge.


                    J.C.

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                    • #11
                      Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                      without combustion test equipment it's near impossible to guess what is going on there. The scorching on the front panel is a give away that it had/has a draft problem to start with. The boiler itself is cast iron and if properly serviced will probably last another 20 years or so. You should do a visual inspection of the chimney and make sure it has a liner and that there are no restrictions. Then you need to pressure test the gas valve and manifolds to make sure pressure is correct. Then fire it up and do a draft over fire and a draft at the breach followed by a co or o2 test.
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                      • #12
                        Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                        Check the Nursing homes around you
                        Maybe you can take the original installer on a field trip

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                        • #13
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                          Yah, and when you're finished working on the boiler, recomend they get someone in there to look at the foundation...what's with all that dirt and 1/2 walls of block?

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                          • #14
                            Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                            Originally posted by DELCASE View Post
                            Check the Nursing homes around you
                            Maybe you can take the original installer on a field trip


                            It's a model EG65. I've been poking around online looking at the manual. Every manual I find shows some type of damper control.

                            But this installation doesn't appear to have one at all.

                            J.C.

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                            • #15
                              Re: For the Boiler Boys...

                              Originally posted by Chemeng View Post
                              Yah, and when you're finished working on the boiler, recomend they get someone in there to look at the foundation...what's with all that dirt and 1/2 walls of block?
                              They've built kind-of-a blocked hole and put this in it. That's not part of the foundation as I recall.

                              J.C.

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